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Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« on: November 03, 2011, 09:13:21 PM »
 I recently purchased a used 2008 Concours 14 and have really enjoyed it.  I had been riding cruisers so this is quite a change.  I liked my V-Rod but the Concours is in a different class by far.

However, one thing I miss from my V-Rod is self cancelling turn signals.  I am an old guy but don't want everyone to confirm that by seeing my turn signals on for miles down the road.  To remedy that, I purchased the Kisan Signal Minder SM-3.  My first bike was a Kawasaki cruiser on which I also installed this system some years ago. 

Making this job much easier was the CD service manual I recently purchased on EBay.  First up was finding the original turn signal relay.  It is under the right side plastic lower seat cover.  After removing the seat, the topside screws are removed followed by three plastic retainers on the bottom of the panel.  Also remove the plastic panel under the luggage rack.  Once the panel is off, unplug and remove the original relay and replace it with the Signal Minder unit using the original relay plug.  There are three dip switches on the unit which allows  a 10, 20 or 30 second delay on turning off the signals.  I set it for 20 seconds but after riding the bike, that is too long.  I will set it back to 10 seconds.















There is another plug out of the bottom of the unit that is an optional setup.

 

Hooking up these wires makes your turn signals  double as running lights and causes the rear turn signals to flash four times when the brakes are applied.  Since the rear lights now come on with the brake light, I changed out the amber bulbs to red LED bulbs that I found at AutoZone.  According to what I have read, any running or brake lights on the rear must be red, which makes sense. 

The white wire goes to the green wire on the right rear turn signal, the black wire goes to the green wire on the left rear turn signal and the red wire goes to the blue wire coming from the brake light.  For the right rear turn signal connection, I tapped into the wire just behind the turn signal.  I traced the green wire from the left turn signal and tapped into it where it crosses over near the center of the bike at the rear.  I tapped into the blue wire from the brake light in this same general area and soldered all connections.  I then wrapped them with electrical tape to avoid shorts.







This completes all of the wiring connections.  Now the turn signal will turn off after the programmed interval, but to re-engage the turn signal, you must first press in on the turn signal button to disengage the previous signal.  Obviously, while you now have turn signals that automatically turn off, you have to remember this extra step before you can use the turn signals again.  To get around this issue, you take the turn signal assembly off of the handlebar by removing the two screws that hold it in place.  Once you have it off, take the half with the turn signal switch, turn it over and you will see a white plastic center section that moves from side to side when you engage the switch lever.  The kit comes with two very small springs and two small pieces of foam rubber.  The idea here is to insert either the springs or the foam rubber pieces on both sides of this sliding white piece so that the lever returns to center and the electrical connection is dis-engaged.  For the Concours 14, they recommend using the foam pieces.  In this case I began by cutting one of the foam pieces in half and inserting a section on each side.  Once you have them in place, test the switch to make sure the turn signals turn on and off automatically.  I had to trim the foam pieces a bit more to make this work correctly.  Once you are sure everything is working correctlly, re-install the switch assembly on the handlebar. And you are finished.



Once you have completed the wiring, the two green turn signal lights on the instrument panel stay on all the time.  They do flash when you have engaged the turn signals. 



The other side effect is that when you turn off the ignition switch, the turn signal lights and the dash kind of go beserk for a bit before everything shuts off.  I came across the reason and the solution.  The answer back system for the KiPass causes this.  By simply removing the fuse for the answer back system, everything shuts off normally.  The person who had discovered this solution said everything else worked fine when this fuse is removed.  I rode the bike today and discovered no ill effects in removing this fuse.  It ran and started normally.  I placed the 10Amp fuse in a holder for extra fuses in the fuse case so it would be handy.





Here are some photos showing the bike with the red rear turn signal lights and the front running lights.  The other photo shows the rear lights with the brake engaged.  In riding the bike today, everything worked as it should and my buddy said the additional rear brake lighting was a definite improvement.





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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 10:26:10 PM »
Mmmm... I see Porsche front end in that pic, is it a 2000 Jerry?

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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 04:08:59 AM »
Thank you very much!  :goodpost:
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 05:45:25 AM »
Mmmm... I see Porsche front end in that pic, is it a 2000 Jerry?

It is a 2001 with the aero kit. 

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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2011, 08:38:50 AM »
Great write up. Very easy to follow, Thank you

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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2011, 03:57:43 PM »
  To remedy that, I purchased the Kisan Signal Minder SM-3.  My first bike was a Kawasaki cruiser on which I also installed this system some years ago. 

Excellent write up!  Thanks   ;D

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Making this job much easier was the CD service manual I recently purchased on EBay.

As I mentioned in another posting, any non-paper C-14 service manual being sold on Ebay (or anywhere) is illegal.  Kawasaki doesn't release their manuals in PDF form, so they are bootleg.

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Hooking up these wires makes your turn signals  double as running lights and causes the rear turn signals to flash four times when the brakes are applied.  Since the rear lights now come on with the brake light, I changed out the amber bulbs to red LED bulbs that I found at AutoZone.  According to what I have read, any running or brake lights on the rear must be red, which makes sense. 

Correct you are- you can't have any constantly running yellow lights on the back, or red on the front.  Sounds like the extra features of that unit are pretty nice, indeed- and make it a great value.

I would certainly be lying if I said I never left my turn signals on by accident  ::)
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2011, 04:22:27 PM »
Excellent write up!  Thanks   ;D

As I mentioned in another posting, any non-paper C-14 service manual being sold on Ebay (or anywhere) is illegal.  Kawasaki doesn't release their manuals in PDF form, so they are bootleg.


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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2011, 04:45:53 PM »
It is a 2001 with the aero kit. 


I was close... Nice ride bro!  :thumbs:

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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2011, 04:57:26 PM »

I was close... Nice ride bro!  :thumbs:

Thanks.  I have been a Porsche club member since 1978.  Not so active now but used to be very involved doing autocrosses, track days (my wife as well), rallies, and whatever else we could think of.  Had lots of fun and met some great people who are still friends.
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2011, 05:24:03 PM »
Installed the SM-3 this evening.  Put the red LED bulbs in the rear as well.  Do your emergency flashers work well?  I got them to turn on a couple times, but seems like I gotta get the sequence down right.  The book says bang it to the right 4 times, but think you have to first turn on the OEM flasher.  Couldn't get the escort mode (not that I'll ever use it) to activate either.  Breaklight works nicely, as well as running lights.
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2011, 07:36:57 PM »
It's hard to believe the C-14 doesn't already have this. My 1983 Honda Sabre had this optinon almost 30 years ago. But we do have KIPASS.
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2011, 08:10:48 PM »
Installed the SM-3 this evening.  Put the red LED bulbs in the rear as well.  Do your emergency flashers work well?  I got them to turn on a couple times, but seems like I gotta get the sequence down right.  The book says bang it to the right 4 times, but think you have to first turn on the OEM flasher.  Couldn't get the escort mode (not that I'll ever use it) to activate either.  Breaklight works nicely, as well as running lights.

I just tried my emergency flashers and they work well.  I activated them by using the factory emergency flasher switch rather than using the turn signal switch. 

I did not try the escort as it appears it works if you do not hook up the optional wiring. 
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2011, 08:17:26 PM »
It's hard to believe the C-14 doesn't already have this. My 1983 Honda Sabre had this optinon almost 30 years ago. But we do have KIPASS.

I agree as my Harley had self-cancelling turn signals.  Doesn't seem like it would be a big deal either technically or money wise to have them as standard equipment.  Also, the individual left and right turn signals on the Harley are more intuitive and easier to engage.  Of course the Harley does not have all the electronic doodads that the Concours has.  Having all the computer power on board should make it even easier to have self-cancelling turn signals as you just add more lines of code and some additional wiring. 
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2011, 02:14:00 AM »
I just tried my emergency flashers and they work well.  I activated them by using the factory emergency flasher switch rather than using the turn signal switch. 

I did not try the escort as it appears it works if you do not hook up the optional wiring. 

Would appear I have a problem to isolate then. My emergency flashers aren't working correctly. I cannot activate them with he oem flasher switch. It kinda acts like it wants to (small flicker) but then doesn't. Not sure what you meant by escort mode works without original wiring. Guess I will have to call kisan and ask for technical support.
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2011, 03:34:36 PM »
Still waiting on Kisan to get back with me.  In the mean time, I have determined that I can consistently get the the escort mode and emergency flasher to turn on and off by [(switching to left+canx)*5 times], or [(switching to right + canx)*5 times].

One weird thing though, one more test this evening, was trying to duplicate the flasher sequence, and the blinkers just stopped working!  Turned bike off, back on, and the unit reset itself and worked again.  NOT a fan of that at all.

I also tried to insert the foam pieces in the switch and damn what a nightmare that was.  I finally gave up.  That's why in the formula above I had to insert the "canx" in order to break the circuit, so unit recognizes 5 "on's" in order to activate the flashers.

All-in-all, I'm loving the idea and all that this kit can provide, but not liking the unpredictability of it at all.  I actually think I'm going to carry the old switcher with me in case the SM-3 gets a case of the ass on while I'm on the road.

Once I talk to Kisan, I'll post my results here.
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2011, 10:35:36 AM »
ok:  so issue with the system shutting down...Kisan says it has a built in sensor monitoring AMPS, if it senses more than 11.5 Amps, it shuts down to prevent damage to bike...any smart folks care to comment on that.

Also, this morning driving to work, doing quick lane changes...obviously only need blinker for a second.  So I would engage the blinker, and then immediately canx after a second.  Somehow, I was quicker than the unit can sense, and it did not recognize the canx.  The remedy was i would have to wait a couple seconds before cancelling, or just let the unit auto canx.

Kisan also recommended LED bulbs be at least 100 lumens.

I'm going to give it some more time, but AM still carrying my OEM signal module in my tank bag :-)

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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 01:36:32 PM »
I don't know what to tell you as I am not having these issues.  On installing the foam pieces, I had to cut the one in half and then trim it a bit more to get them small enough to fit.  When you have the switch upside down, you move the center white piece to one side with the turn signal switch.  Install one of the foam pieces and then move the center piece to the other side with the switch and install the other foam piece.  By using this method, I did not have any problems installing them.

As for your issue of it shutting off the system, that has not happened to me either.  I would double check all of your connections to make sure they are secure.  Did you solder them or use some type of crimp connector?

I rode this afternoon again and they worked fine.  Once you have the foam pieces in place, I cannot manually cancel the turn signal.  That's why I use the 10 second interval to minimize the time it is on.  It would be nice to be able to cancel it for lane changes so I wish they had some provision for that.  Also, with the foam pieces in place, you have to push the turn signal switch a bit harder to engage the turn signals.  The first few times, I did not push it hard enough.  Only takes a few times and you soon know how much pressure you need to apply.
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2011, 01:51:01 PM »
I don't know what to tell you as I am not having these issues.  On installing the foam pieces, I had to cut the one in half and then trim it a bit more to get them small enough to fit.  When you have the switch upside down, you move the center white piece to one side with the turn signal switch.  Install one of the foam pieces and then move the center piece to the other side with the switch and install the other foam piece.  By using this method, I did not have any problems installing them.

As for your issue of it shutting off the system, that has not happened to me either.  I would double check all of your connections to make sure they are secure.  Did you solder them or use some type of crimp connector?

I rode this afternoon again and they worked fine.  Once you have the foam pieces in place, I cannot manually cancel the turn signal.  That's why I use the 10 second interval to minimize the time it is on.  It would be nice to be able to cancel it for lane changes so I wish they had some provision for that.  Also, with the foam pieces in place, you have to push the turn signal switch a bit harder to engage the turn signals.  The first few times, I did not push it hard enough.  Only takes a few times and you soon know how much pressure you need to apply.

yeah, I did that with the foam, but just couldn't get it right.  Frankly I think I like it without as I can canx manually (for lane changing).  I used the included crimps, but think I will solder like you did to ensure a 100% connection.  Did you consider swapping out the front bulbs with LEDs also?  I'm thinking about it, maybe a bit brighter?
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 02:01:04 PM »
yeah, I did that with the foam, but just couldn't get it right.  Frankly I think I like it without as I can canx manually (for lane changing).  I used the included crimps, but think I will solder like you did to ensure a 100% connection.  Did you consider swapping out the front bulbs with LEDs also?  I'm thinking about it, maybe a bit brighter?

You have to remove the middle fairings to get to the front turn signal bulbs.  I will have those fairings off when I install cruise control and will replace them at that time.
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Re: Kisan Signal Minder Installation on 2008 Concours 14
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2017, 04:04:45 PM »
I know this thread is old, but thank you for posting the dash issue with the Kissan unit...

Theres no way I would have ever fond the issue, or pulled that talk back fuse.

The funny part is a friend was watching me, and had no idea I found this info.  I looked like a complete electrical genius because of the post.