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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 05:43:03 PM »
This could be interesting, but keep in mind what I often see labeled as "Sport tourer" isn't really a sport tourer.  It is just a sport bike (often with chain drive) that is more upright that they slap on some luggage and a semi-fixed windscreen.  I am skeptical it will be a REAL sport tourer, like the Concours- with large alternator, shaft drive, full instrumentation, electric windscreen,  heated grips, risable handbars, large fairings, extra detail to wind, heat, and vibration control, etc.
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2017, 06:34:05 PM »
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 07:03:20 PM »
This could be interesting, but keep in mind what I often see labeled as "Sport tourer" isn't really a sport tourer.  It is just a sport bike (often with chain drive) that is more upright that they slap on some luggage and a semi-fixed windscreen.  I am skeptical it will be a REAL sport tourer, like the Concours- with large alternator, shaft drive, full instrumentation, electric windscreen,  heated grips, risable handbars, large fairings, extra detail to wind, heat, and vibration control, etc.

If the pictures I’ve seen are indeed of the new ST,
you’re gonna hate it.

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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2017, 08:42:42 PM »
If the pictures I’ve seen are indeed of the new ST,  you’re gonna hate it.

Being the pessimist I sometimes am, it wouldn't surprise me.   And in which case the question would then be, would some "non-real ST" blown "ST" be what is destined to replace the C14?  But let's hold that question until we see what comes.

I personally predict they just can't resist ruining a good thing by replacing it rather than evolving it.  (Possible examples- replacing large analog tach/speedometer with small, wimpy digital readouts is not an improvement;  shorting the frame is not an improvement; going all hyper-angular styling is not an improvement, abandoning shaft drive is not an improvement).

Now, if you take the C14 mostly like it is, plop in a blown 1 liter, we could have more performance, longer range, better fuel economy, and less weight to boot...  keep tank size, keep the analogs but add a larger, more functional, color display, add cruise, all LED lighting, keep the fantastic warranty, transmission, and final drive, I might be salivating.  But silver please, not black :)
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2017, 10:06:25 PM »
This video certainly caught my attention, but I too suspect it'll be more sportbike-like.  Perhaps even a supercharged ZX14.

But I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a Blower Concours.
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 04:53:21 AM »
The cats out of the bag ....its a H2SX which is basically a Z1000SX type bike witha Supercharger making a stated 200 bhp.  Plus a a TFT dash,, sat nav functionality, electric screen, heated grips, media connectivity and keyless ignition.

Z1000 SX and Versys will remain. GTR will go as it doesn't meet Euro 4 regulations

The H2SX will cost 20K base and approx 23K fully loaded

It looks nice and seems to have chain drive
 
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 07:02:19 AM »
If it doesn't have cup holders, I'm not interested.
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 07:08:56 AM »
How soon they forget when they turn to the darkside.

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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 09:28:12 AM »
 :rotflmao:   Quite!
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2017, 11:13:57 AM »
If it doesn't have cup holders, I'm not interested.

Nor any provision for a hip flask Jim   ;) 
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2017, 01:15:30 PM »
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2017, 02:04:18 PM »
This could be interesting, but keep in mind what I often see labeled as "Sport tourer" isn't really a sport tourer.  It is just a sport bike (often with chain drive) that is more upright that they slap on some luggage and a semi-fixed windscreen.  I am skeptical it will be a REAL sport tourer, like the Concours- with large alternator, shaft drive, full instrumentation, electric windscreen,  heated grips, risable handbars, large fairings, extra detail to wind, heat, and vibration control, etc.

 :thumbs: I think you hit the nail on the head Max.

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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2017, 02:49:40 PM »
The cats out of the bag ....its a H2SX which is basically a Z1000SX type bike witha Supercharger making a stated 200 bhp.  Plus a a TFT dash,, sat nav functionality, electric screen, heated grips, media connectivity and keyless ignition.

Z1000 SX and Versys will remain. GTR will go as it doesn't meet Euro 4 regulations

The H2SX will cost 20K base and approx 23K fully loaded

It looks nice and seems to have chain drive

So it won't be a sports tourer, it will be a small wheelbase, chain-driven standard with some accessories.  Fail.  Where are you seeing this info?

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GTR will go as it doesn't meet Euro 4 regulations

Will it disappear in Europe or everywhere???  This could explain why the GTR disappeared on the EU site but not the USA/other sites.  I also noted they are calling the ZRR1400 a "sport tourer", which it is not (not even close), and saying it is Euro 4 compliant.  How can the ZZR14 be Euro 4 and the GTR 14 not?
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2017, 03:02:30 PM »
  How can the ZZR14 be Euro 4 and the GTR 14 not?

Wasn't the ZZR14 upgraded changed in 2012 in displacement AND throttle by wire, etc. ?


All I can find about the new supercharged bike (other than the video) is this:
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The Balanced Supercharged engine shown at the Tokyo Motor Show in 2015 was similar to the H2’s 1000cc four-cylinder but featured a clever new supercharger design. It used variable intake vanes to alter the airflow into the supercharger, with the intention of increasing low-end torque and efficiency rather than going for out-and-out power like the H2.

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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2017, 07:30:18 PM »
Wasn't the ZZR14 upgraded changed in 2012 in displacement AND throttle by wire, etc. ?

I see nothing that mentions throttle-by-wire.  But even if it had that, it shouldn't affect emissions or mileage because it already had computer-controlled secondary throttle plates, just like the C14.  And the small displacement bump would hurt emissions and mileage, not help.

Incidentally, until they "upgraded" in 2012, it didn't even have two fans (the C14 did in 2008) or a slipper clutch (the C14 did in 2008) or traction control (the C14 had it in 2010).
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2017, 10:42:14 AM »
They bored it out and gave it 50 extra HP.
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2017, 03:19:41 PM »
They bored it out and gave it 50 extra HP.

Both of which make it more difficult to obtain EURO 4 compliance.
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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 01:35:19 PM »
Well here it is: https://www.cycleworld.com/2018-kawasaki-h2-sx-sport-tourer-debut

Chain drive, which is disappointing of course but pretty much as expected. For those that use their bike as a
daily commuter and an occasional  touring bike I guess it's not that viable. I was thinking it's still in the running
as a replacement bike for my C14 when mine runs out of warranty in 2021 but maybe not. They didn't mention
anything about increased electrical power for accessories which is definitly one of he C14's strong points. For me
it's still in the running (although the new Honda 'wing looks good too) because of they way I ride. I'm either on a trip or it sits.
I might go on 3 day rides a year.
I usually have to add new tires and change oil etc before any trip, so adding a little chain maintenance before leaving
is not that big of a deal, especially since I'd be going on a trip with more power, about the same torque, better fuel mileage
(reportedly) and almost 200 lbs less weight. Time will tell. I'm getting on in years, so I may even quit riding by then?  :-\  :-[  :(
 

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Re: Supercharged Sport Tourer?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 01:48:19 PM »
I see nothing that mentions throttle-by-wire. 

Quote from: asphaltandrubber.com
...Most notably added to the Kawasaki ZX-14R is the addition traction control, and ride-by-wire throttle control system....

Is "ride by wire" the same as "throttle by wire"? I'm not sure, but it is what made me think it is throttle by wire and would need a reflash to change
throttle settings which was why I was under the impression it met euro 4 standards... but unlike others here, I'm wrong a lot.  :(
I guess a shop manual could tell us, but I'm not buying one. I'm sort of losing interest at this point.

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2012-kawasaki-zx-14r-zzr1400/