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Offline rtarp1

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Need help with suspension settings.
« on: October 03, 2011, 08:03:40 am »
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  i want to adjust my suspension for sport riding , does anyone have any experience with this?

thanks
bob

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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 08:40:54 am »
Stiffer is better than soft for sport riding. There's an art for setting a bike up perfect, and I'm not an expert by any means. I would stiffen up the preload and rebound front and rear.
Make one adjustment at a time, between rides. That way you know what you did  to make it that way.
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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 09:58:29 am »
Stiffer is better than soft for sport riding. There's an art for setting a bike up perfect, and I'm not an expert by any means. I would stiffen up the preload and rebound front and rear.
Make one adjustment at a time, between rides. That way you know what you did  to make it that way.

Stiffer is better up to a point. If the suspension is set too stiff, the tire will not stay planted on the road. The suspension needs to remain compliant enough to allow it to follow surface irregularities and keep the tire firmly planted. There are articles out there on how to set the sag and dampening.

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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 10:09:05 am »
Probally more than you want to know:

http://www.gostar-racing.com/information/motorcycle_suspension_set-up.htm

Set sag (preload) first, then work on the rest.

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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 01:59:52 pm »
The stock suspension on the c14 is set up very soft for "sport riding"   My favorite canyon settings, for now, are a s follows.  I weigh 180 lbs in my mind (and bench press 345) , but the damn, lying scale says 205....weight and press.
Anyway, my last adventure was set up a \s follows.

Front..Preload with three rings showing.  Rebound damping set at three clicks out from fully bottomed.

Rear....preload all the way in, then three clicks out. Reb damn 1/4 turn out from fully bottomed.

This is a drastic change from stock, but from here its easy to fine tune for your weight and conditions.  Trying to adjust oen click at  a time at each end is difficult, if not impossible.  Sort of like dialing in a rifle scope for  a 1000 yard shot.  One click is hard to fee or notice, 10 not so tough.


These settings are stiff on a regular road, but control is amazing.

Here is where the aftermarket shocks have it all over oem. You can set these stiff and controlled, yet they remain much more compliant and controlled. 






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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 02:01:51 pm »
Probally more than you want to know:

http://www.gostar-racing.com/information/motorcycle_suspension_set-up.htm

Set sag (preload) first, then work on the rest.


yep! thats what I used and got me sportin around.  use as a base, then tweak away. 

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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 02:25:01 pm »



@rcannon409
Front..Preload with three rings showing.  Rebound damping set at three clicks out from fully bottomed.

  how many mm is this preload? 

thanks for the help guys.
bob





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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 05:30:06 pm »
And then there is this that was posted in another thread.

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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2011, 06:33:19 pm »
And then there is this that was posted in another thread.

    My previous owner left a copy of this in my manual and it works pretty darn well and its simple. I guessed it was for about 165 lbs and adjusted from there.

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 04:20:19 pm »
    My previous owner left a copy of this in my manual and it works pretty darn well and its simple. I guessed it was for about 165 lbs and adjusted from there.

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No I believe he said he was about 215 all geared up. Can't remember what the wife weighed.
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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 02:06:07 pm »


@rcannon409
Front..Preload with three rings showing.  Rebound damping set at three clicks out from fully bottomed.

  how many mm is this preload? 

thanks for the help guys.
bob

can't remember right off hand, but I think thats around 7-8mm's.
my regular cruise preload is at 9-10mm (I'm 185lbs). when I hit the dragon I just crank them two to three full turns and puts me right where I like it and control is sharp and fast.

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2011, 02:23:17 pm »
can't remember right off hand, but I think thats around 7-8mm's.
my regular cruise preload is at 9-10mm (I'm 185lbs). when I hit the dragon I just crank them two to three full turns and puts me right where I like it and control is sharp and fast.

Thats about right. Sorry I missed this earlier. Its awkward to get my micrometer in there to measure, but 7-8mm is very close.

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 03:07:05 pm »
Thats about right. Sorry I missed this earlier. Its awkward to get my micrometer in there to measure, but 7-8mm is very close.

yeah it is a PITA to measure. need to find a small measuring device.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2011, 05:55:59 am »
I use a small metal metric ruler.
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Re: Need help with suspension settings.
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2011, 06:13:33 am »
rcannon, your sag is good at those settings ?? my guy was shooting for 1.5" front and rear. I'm about 210+gear.
found the adjustment curve on the rear shock blows, far from linear. now my front i have a ton of spring taken out of it, sag is great, i think more fluid had been added( fork oil change, head bearings greased). my 09 has been stripped and put back together. amazing, ride is great, pounding twisties the "ride height" is very stable. no nose dives braking or anything. soaks up bumpy roads very well. front springs and valves are on my shopping list, possibly a rear shock too.
mainly do 400+ mile twistie days with sport bikes, now if only i can get tires to last. fronts go about 6k miles, rears about 4500 miles.