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Title: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: omcrider on April 28, 2014, 02:43:56 PM
I am fairly new here and have pretty much stuck exclusively to this site. I notice many members here also have membership on the Concours Owners Group forum. What is the main difference between the two? Am I missing something by not reviewing both sites.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Strawboss on April 28, 2014, 03:03:05 PM
Oh boy.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Cuda on April 28, 2014, 03:03:42 PM
It's a secret... :stirpot:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: gPink on April 28, 2014, 03:08:44 PM
I'm an inmate of both forums. Each has it's own personality. I have benefited from information gained on both sites and will continue to avail myself of both.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Strawboss on April 28, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
Sorry, I should have said what gpink said cause that's what I think too. This site is kinda like a "private" sire whereas the other site is a little more "official". Each compliments the other in my opinion as like gpink said, I get lots of useful info from each.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Son of Pappy on April 28, 2014, 03:31:21 PM
I am fairly new here and have pretty much stuck exclusively to this site. I notice many members here also have membership on the Concours Owners Group forum. What is the main difference between the two? Am I missing something by not reviewing both sites.
Think "Family Feud".  We hate each other, yet still love each other.  Great folks on both sides with strong feelings.  A few folks drew a line and simply refuse to move it or cross it.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 28, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
All good points...
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 28, 2014, 03:43:36 PM
The two sites are not in any way connected.

This forum is privately owned by a gentleman named Rick Hall. It is open to the public at his pleasure.

The COG site is owned by and run by the organization Concours Owner's Group, which is a dues- paying, membership based organization. That said, their (our I guess- I am a member of COG) is open to the public at no charge, in that case at the pleasure of COG.

As both sites are privately owned and operated, either / both could be closed, closed to some members, etc., at any time. While open to the public at the moment, that could change (not that I suspect it will) at anytime- which is why I mentioned that they are both open at the owner's pleasure.

And yes, a lot of people are members of and participate in, both forums. Some people cross- post the same subject on both forums but certainly not always.

Like all institutions and organizations, each one has a 'personality'. From the forum point of view, there is not all that much difference but in practice, COG also uses their forum to notify people of events, rides, rallies, etc. that they put on.

Brian

I am fairly new here and have pretty much stuck exclusively to this site. I notice many members here also have membership on the Concours Owners Group forum. What is the main difference between the two? Am I missing something by not reviewing both sites.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Kirby on April 28, 2014, 03:46:37 PM
This forum has more dead rodents participating. Not worth all that much but it does give a different perspective....

Kirby

I am fairly new here and have pretty much stuck exclusively to this site. I notice many members here also have membership on the Concours Owners Group forum. What is the main difference between the two? Am I missing something by not reviewing both sites.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Son of Pappy on April 28, 2014, 04:10:36 PM
This forum has more dead rodents participating. Not worth all that much but it does give a different perspective....

Kirby
Hey Kirby, been a bit since we last heard from you, Kippy says howdy but is a little under the weather at the moment (feeling a bit dehydrated).  Looking forward to seeing you in a few weeks at the Twisted Throttle open house, please make sure you get Brian there as well as his beautiful bride.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: DeansZG on April 28, 2014, 04:11:06 PM
    Welcome omc!  just think of both forums as different tools in your Concours toolbox for the same fitting!  You'll be able to glean useful information from both! 
   Yes, I peruse both forums & am a member of COG( which should be another tool in your Concours toolbox), & I also post up events on both forums as well, along w/ posting on Sport-Touring.net, ST-Owners.com, ZZRBikes.com & the Motorcycle Tourers forum also... ;D
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: gPink on April 28, 2014, 04:29:14 PM
This forum has more dead rodents participating. Not worth all that much but it does give a different perspective....

Kirby
Kirby, personal attacks like that will get this thread kicked to the Arena. You might not get out alive.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 28, 2014, 04:35:20 PM
Give it up Gary- he just does not listen to anybody.  >:(  I swear, sometimes it is like talking to a mummy.

Brian

Kirby, personal attacks like that will get this thread kicked to the Arena. You might not get out alive.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: gPink on April 28, 2014, 04:36:43 PM
Kind of like  :deadhorse: .
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 28, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
We'll be there- Andrea and I but not Kirby. He wants to go but he forgets that crowds make him catatonic and stiff (easy boys!) with fear.

And yeah, he doesn't post much 'cause I won't let him. I am afraid he does not have that people touch like I do and could rub a person or two the wrong way. Not smooth like me ..... 'Now go home and get your XXXXXXX shine box!'

Brian

Hey Kirby, been a bit since we last heard from you, Kippy says howdy but is a little under the weather at the moment (feeling a bit dehydrated).  Looking forward to seeing you in a few weeks at the Twisted Throttle open house, please make sure you get Brian there as well as his beautiful bride.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Tremainiac on April 28, 2014, 05:15:26 PM
Oh boy.

One group is more sensitive then the other... But I don't know which. :rotflmao:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Strawboss on April 28, 2014, 05:26:02 PM
Each cancel the other out.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Racer Boy on April 28, 2014, 09:32:53 PM
I'll give you my unfiltered opinion of each forum.

I only recently found this Concours forum, and tend to prefer it over the COG forum. I'll paint the COG forum with an extremely broad brush and say that there seems to be a lot members that are grumpy old men that enjoy complaining about how this country is going down the tubes. These same guys hate to spend over $10 per day on food and lodging when taking road trips. You will never pry their trusty C10's from their cold, dead hands, because they believe that C14 owners are a bunch of rich posers, and that 1986 technology works just fine, thank you.  ;)

Seriously, both forums have provided me with a lot of useful information, and some of the members here (like BDF) also contribute tons of great info to both sites.

One thing that has irritated me about the COG is the pressure to join, which is fine, since it is the club forum. I'm not interested in the social activities (I don't have enough time to ride as much as I want, let alone attend club functions). But that is just me. If they kick me off their forum, I'll just hang out here!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: gPink on April 29, 2014, 03:37:34 AM
We pretty much take all kinds.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Conrad on April 29, 2014, 04:56:29 AM
I'll give you my unfiltered opinion of each forum.

I only recently found this Concours forum, and tend to prefer it over the COG forum. I'll paint the COG forum with an extremely broad brush and say that there seems to be a lot members that are grumpy old men that enjoy complaining about how this country is going down the tubes. These same guys hate to spend over $10 per day on food and lodging when taking road trips. You will never pry their trusty C10's from their cold, dead hands, because they believe that C14 owners are a bunch of rich posers, and that 1986 technology works just fine, thank you.  ;)

Seriously, both forums have provided me with a lot of useful information, and some of the members here (like BDF) also contribute tons of great info to both sites.

One thing that has irritated me about the COG is the pressure to join, which is fine, since it is the club forum. I'm not interested in the social activities (I don't have enough time to ride as much as I want, let alone attend club functions). But that is just me. If they kick me off their forum, I'll just hang out here!

It seems that you haven't paid a visit to the Arena?
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: tweeter55 on April 29, 2014, 04:56:46 AM
We pretty much take all kinds.
Even me.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Outback_Jon on April 29, 2014, 06:25:21 AM
some of the members here (like BDF) also contribute tons of great info to both sites.
Well, he contributes tons of something.   ;D
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Racer Boy on April 29, 2014, 07:46:34 AM
It seems that you haven't paid a visit to the Arena?

I'm guessing that is where there are political discussions? I try to avoid those like the plague!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 08:37:49 AM
Wrong forum.

 :rotflmao:

Brian

Well, he contributes tons of something.   ;D
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Pokey on April 29, 2014, 09:51:42 AM
It seems that you haven't paid a visit to the Arena?


The arena here is tame......trust me.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on April 29, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
I frequent both, it helps keep my post count down...  :) :chugbeer:

They do have a different "feel" to them IMO, but I think it's more about the bike than the forum/club itself...

The COG forum seems to have more C10 folks, this forum seems to have more C14 folks...

example:
Look at the post counts on here for the C14 and C10 sections, 90k posts in C14 section vs only 20k posts in the C10 section...
Over on COG, it's 45k posts in the C14 section vs 55k posts in the C10 section.


Not that there's anything wrong with the C10's (ok maybe there is...  ;) j/k ;D )... :grouphug: :chugbeer:

But the personalities and posts of C10 owners are quite different than personalities and posts of C14 owners, again just my opinion.

The C14 folks as a whole IMO are most likely a little younger and definitely not as "frugal" of a crowd compared to the C10 folks, not all but many I think C14 owners are recently transitioning from full on sport bikes to sport touring bikes and the C14 is a nice fit/transition, at least it was for me.

C14 owners already ponied up and bought a $10k+ bike and don't sweat putting even more $ into farkles for it. The C10 folks most likely bought their bike for a couple grand (maybe long time owners got theirs back in the day when newer/new for approx $5k'sh), their mind set (again just my opinion) is that they try to stretch every dollar spent on their bike a lot more than the average C14 owner.

This IMO translates into more boring docile threads/topics in the C10 sections, (ie longest lasting slab tire, best mpg, what can you fix with a zip-tie vs replacing it etc).

Vs the C14 sections seem to be a little more geared towards performance and newest/latest farkle etc...  :-\

I like all most all bikes and have nothing against C10's or C10 owners, I can ride, hang, drink, etc with all of them. My point though is that there does seem to be different personalities between the C14 and C10 owners, and therefor as a whole this makes the forums "feel" a little different due to the mass population on each.

Of the 2 forums I prefer this one, it's a lot more fun and lively, and you can post things on here that you definitely can't post over on the COG forum.

Not that there's anything wrong with it but many times over on the COG forum has been voiced by the runners/mods of it that if it's not appropriate for my grandkid to walk behind me and see what I'm looking at or reading then it doesn't belong on here.
I say screw that, tell your grandkids to go in the other room or get on their own favorite grandkid forum... ;D :chugbeer:


Sorry for the long-winded post...

We should all give Rick a big thumbs up and thanks for creating this great forum and letting us all play on here as we please.

Thanks Rick, you da'man!! :thumbs: :grouphug: :chugbeer:


And a big thanks and shout-out to Sparky as well for how he mods this forum, the forum mod totally sets the tone for a forum and can make it great or lame IMO, and this one is great!
Thanks Sparky for all your hard work moderating not over moderating!   :thumbs: :grouphug: :chugbeer:


Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Racer Boy on April 29, 2014, 12:21:28 PM
ZG, I think you hit the nail on the head! You were able to articulate my feelings about the two forums perfectly.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Gumby on April 29, 2014, 12:26:57 PM
Holy :censored: Jay, that is a whole lot of opinion followed up by a whole lot of :censored: kissin from you.  ;D

And no pictures? You're killin me.  :rotflmao:

I like both forums and spend way to much time on both. Sometimes it bothers me I have to go two different places for the same type of info, but then I stop over thinking it and move on.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 29, 2014, 12:54:25 PM
Well, you could try three places.  The UK forum is pretty good and I think totally devoted to the GTR1400.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on April 29, 2014, 01:00:34 PM
Holy :censored: Jay, that is a whole lot of opinion followed up by a whole lot of :censored: kissin from you.  ;D

And no pictures? You're killin me.  :rotflmao:



No more farkle hand-me-downs for you bro...


You're on yer own now...  ;D




(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/michelleNpete/CARtoons/gumby-4.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/michelleNpete/media/CARtoons/gumby-4.jpg.html)

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on April 29, 2014, 01:02:16 PM
Well, you could try three places.  The UK forum is pretty good and I think totally devoted to the GTR1400.


Indeed Sparky, I like it over there too, but have to google some of the words...  ;D :chugbeer:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Outback_Jon on April 29, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
example:
Look at the post counts on here for the C14 and C10 sections, 90k posts in C14 section vs only 20k posts in the C10 section...
Over on COG, it's 45k posts in the C14 section vs 55k posts in the C10 section.
Not that there's anything wrong with the C10's (ok maybe there is...  ;) j/k ;D
More posts in the C14 sections would seem to indicate that there's more wrong with the C14s than the C10s.   ::)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 29, 2014, 01:27:19 PM
 :yikes:


Indeed Sparky, I like it over there too, but have to google some of the words...  ;D :chugbeer:

 >:( ;)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
Well, spit the dummy Gov!

Yeah, you need and English - English converter for that place. And then a monetary converter. And a map. The coup de grĂ¢ce for me is when they mix in French terms though....  :rotflmao:

Brian


Indeed Sparky, I like it over there too, but have to google some of the words...  ;D :chugbeer:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 01:46:57 PM
Could be. But maybe it is just because so many C-10 guys are dialing into their local BBS to chat about their bikes....?  Usin' lots o' scary words like 'petcock' and 'hydrolock' that have not made it to the Interwebs yet.

 ;D

Brian

More posts in the C14 sections would seem to indicate that there's more wrong with the C14s than the C10s.   ::)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Pilgrim on April 29, 2014, 03:29:45 PM

The latest one is titled 'Full blown hydrolock'
 :rotflmao:
 

Could be. But maybe it is just because so many C-10 guys are dialing into their local BBS to chat about their bikes....?  Usin' lots o' scary words like 'petcock' and 'hydrolock' that have not made it to the Interwebs yet.

 ;D

Brian
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: omcrider on April 29, 2014, 03:53:30 PM
Wow when I posted this topic I wasn't sure I would get much response but reading through all these I found myself chuckling out loud and having a good time. I do believe that would hint to me that I am on the correct forum. I know I have found terrific help here in the couple months I have been on it. I have PMed a few people and everyone seems to be more then willing to help and some going out of there way and I much appreciate that and the good vibe it gives me. Roll on my brothers and thanks for being there.  :chugbeer: :thumbs:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 04:06:04 PM
Well, three pages really isn't much of a long thread at all. If you really want to poke the monster in the eye with a stick, make a joke about Harleys or start a 'car tires on motorcycles' thread.  :yikes:  :-)  And if you are feeling particularly edgy, ask if KiPass is a good system or not.... although in recent times, even that most contentious of issues has calmed down quite a bit. But here is one I've been meaning to give a whirl:

'Why, when I was a kid and we walked to school in snowstorms without any fobs at all.....'

Brian

Wow when I posted this topic I wasn't sure I would get much response but reading through all these I found myself chuckling out loud and having a good time. I do believe that would hint to me that I am on the correct forum. I know I have found terrific help here in the couple months I have been on it. I have PMed a few people and everyone seems to be more then willing to help and some going out of there way and I much appreciate that and the good vibe it gives me. Roll on my brothers and thanks for being there.  :chugbeer: :thumbs:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on April 29, 2014, 05:52:45 PM
 Interesting to see some of the attitudes expressed here about the c-10 guys... and by whom. Steve
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 29, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
I was wondering when a C10/C14 owner would start posting..  Thanks.  Although, as most threads go, it morphed from ZGGTR vs COG to C10 vs C14 owners.  As one of the older forum members who has owned both bikes, I can see both sides of this.  I'm glad for my 5 year stint with an '02, but even more glad to have experienced a C14.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 06:37:15 PM
Make sure you want to go there but if you insist, I can address that too.

Brian

Interesting to see some of the attitudes expressed here about the c-10 guys... and by whom. Steve
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 06:39:11 PM
Nothing to do with a C-10 or C-14 Jim, just more personal stabs. No problem though, the onlookers can draw their own conclusion and I am confident they will pick the right one....

Brian

I was wondering when a C10/C14 owner would start posting..  Thanks.  Although, as most threads go, it morphed from ZGGTR vs COG to C10 vs C14 owners.  As one of the older forum members who has owned both bikes, I can see both sides of this.  I'm glad for my 5 year stint with an '02, but even more glad to have experienced a C14.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on April 29, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
What I don't get is how the c-14 guys so completely fail to understand the mindset of a c10 enthusiast. Let me put it this way... what car enthusiast wouldn't want a gen 1 camaro, mustang, firefird, etc... By todays standards they actually are rattly pieces of junk. They handle lousy, brake lousy, get lousy mileage, etc. But dammit they're just so damn cool! 60's on ss cragars puffing out side pipes! No technology, just a raw metallic vehicle. What's not to love! That's what it's like to have a c-10. It's not a c-14. You know it, I know it, we all know it. So what. Can you fix your bike on the side of the road with a paperclip? Do you c-14 guys know every square inch (we don't need no stinking milimeters) of your bike because your are the only mechanic your bike has had for years?  Is your bike uniquely yours, or is just like all the others kawasaki built?

  What is the worst that I've read here is the c-14 guys who have done some hotrodding and code-cracking on the c-14 having an elitist attitude toward the c-10 guys. Honestly, y'all need to check yourselves. Hotrodding is hotrodding. Old or new, and enthusiasts are enthusiasts. To dis the c-10 guys - and virtually every thing I read about the frugality side is wrong - is to give the green light to others to minimize your efforts to improve your bike, because your bike isn't the same as theirs.

   I have experienced riders who are so elevated by the marque they ride they cannot find it within themselves to wave, or even acknowledge a bike that's not the brand they ride, regardless of how fine a  machine it is. folks who have pre conceived notions about the rider, based on the bike he's riding. Y'all are sounding like you're "those" people. It's sad. JMO, Steve
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 29, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
 :popcorn:

Nothing to do with a C-10 or C-14 Jim, just more personal stabs. No problem though, the onlookers can draw their own conclusion and I am confident they will pick the right one....

Brian


Right...
 
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
OK, no problem, we can do it that way too.

Take a look at this thread folks, especially this post:
http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,50817.msg359094.html#msg359094 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,50817.msg359094.html#msg359094)

I think it profoundly shows the mindset and maturity level of all involved. It is called a 'dogpile' and is one of the poorer aspects of human nature.

While over there, take a look around at some of the poster's posts, mine included. Please, draw your own conclusions.

This thread will probably now get locked but no matter: it will also most likely stay visible for any / all to see, which I think is a good thing. Review, reflect and make your own decisions.

Brian

Y'all are sounding like you're "those" people. It's sad. JMO, Steve
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 29, 2014, 06:56:24 PM
Why should the thread get locked?  It's just getting interesting.  Oh, you mean that thread over there...  I just read the first post...all I can say is  :yikes: . 
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 06:59:50 PM
 :rotflmao:

True enough.

Grab a beer and strap on your seatbelt folks, we're heading into the storm :-)

Brian

Why should the thread get locked?  It's just getting interesting.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 07:09:09 PM
The disturbance is still coming, just a bit slow......

 :rotflmao: two times.

Brian

Oh oh, I feel a great disturbance in the force.... note the time of this post (shiver me timbers).

 :rotflmao:

Brian
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on April 29, 2014, 07:18:08 PM
Brian,

  i'm curious of why you felt you needed to carry the mantle on this. Why you chose to post that thread (though I appreciate that you did, I really only posted it for documentation ) As I don't see how it's germain to anything about this thread. It's looking clear to me that it's personal with you, but my comments weren't directed singularly to you or I would have directed them to you.

  I'm going to make this my last post, so you can call me out however you want, I'm not here to provide your evening's entertainment. Rock on! Steve
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on April 29, 2014, 07:20:40 PM
What I don't get is how the c-14 guys so completely fail to understand the mindset of a c10 enthusiast. Let me put it this way... what car enthusiast wouldn't want a gen 1 camaro, mustang, firefird, etc... By todays standards they actually are rattly pieces of junk. They handle lousy, brake lousy, get lousy mileage, etc. But dammit they're just so damn cool! 60's on ss cragars puffing out side pipes! No technology, just a raw metallic vehicle. What's not to love! That's what it's like to have a c-10. It's not a c-14. You know it, I know it, we all know it. So what. Can you fix your bike on the side of the road with a paperclip? Do you c-14 guys know every square inch (we don't need no stinking milimeters) of your bike because your are the only mechanic your bike has had for years?  Is your bike uniquely yours, or is just like all the others kawasaki built?

  What is the worst that I've read here is the c-14 guys who have done some hotrodding and code-cracking on the c-14 having an elitist attitude toward the c-10 guys. Honestly, y'all need to check yourselves. Hotrodding is hotrodding. Old or new, and enthusiasts are enthusiasts. To dis the c-10 guys - and virtually every thing I read about the frugality side is wrong - is to give the green light to others to minimize your efforts to improve your bike, because your bike isn't the same as theirs.

   I have experienced riders who are so elevated by the marque they ride they cannot find it within themselves to wave, or even acknowledge a bike that's not the brand they ride, regardless of how fine a  machine it is. folks who have pre conceived notions about the rider, based on the bike he's riding. Y'all are sounding like you're "those" people. It's sad. JMO, Steve


Hi Steve,
I sure hope brother that your post isn't directed at my post...  ???


If it is you either totally misunderstood my post or I did a crappy job of trying to type it...  :-[


I have no issue with C10's or there owners, I only meant that more often than not the personality types are different.


I do have respect for vintage bike's and can appreciate your comments above about C10's and their owners.


Me personally, I'm a huge fan (and have owned many) of old school oil-cooled Gixxers, but even on the Gixxer forums there are huge differences between the old oil-cooled owners and the newer more modern Gixxer owners, and I'm totally ok with that. I also like the newer Gixxers too, all good! My point is just that different strokes for different folks, we aren't all the same, but when the majority of a forum or group is one type of personality it can and does show in the "vibe/feel" of a forum, that's all.


We good?  ??? 


 :) :grouphug: :chugbeer:

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 07:33:26 PM
Steve,

Right- WHO were you singling out on the C-10 post. I was making a funny and while you may or may not think it was funny, it was meant in a humorous manner. We have had our differences, and they obviously remain in place- fine and well. But I was happy enough to leave well enough alone since the brouhaha died on the other forum while you seem.... still interested. Also fine and well. But understand that our printed words are available for anyone to peruse and use to, correctly in my opinion, form an opinion.

Any entertainment provided is strictly at the expense of the provider :-)

For example: first there was a "drive by shooting"

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,50898.msg358979.html#msg358979 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,50898.msg358979.html#msg358979)

But not really, just an 'idiot neighbor' shooting up the sky apparently.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,50898.msg359236.html#msg359236 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,50898.msg359236.html#msg359236)

Not sure what is going on down there but it sure is unusual compared with where I be's livin'.

1) no drive by shootings.
2) no idiot neighbors shooting up the sky.
3) LEOs keep the peace in the neighborhood.

In the words of a man far wiser than I, and I suspect (but do not know because I do not know you) you,

"I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battle-field, and patriot grave, to every living heart and hearth-stone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."
A. Lincoln

Let it go and I will also. Otherwise, it is nothing but fodder for the amusement of others.Either way, our own words will be our legacy.

Brian

Brian,

  i'm curious of why you felt you needed to carry the mantle on this. Why you chose to post that thread (though I appreciate that you did, I really only posted it for documentation ) As I don't see how it's germain to anything about this thread. It's looking clear to me that it's personal with you, but my comments weren't directed singularly to you or I would have directed them to you.

  I'm going to make this my last post, so you can call me out however you want, I'm not here to provide your evening's entertainment. Rock on! Steve
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: turbojoe78 on April 29, 2014, 07:35:01 PM

Hi Steve,
I sure hope brother that your post isn't directed at my post...  ???


If it is you either totally misunderstood my post or I did a crappy job of trying to type it...  :-[


I have no issue with C10's or there owners, I only meant that more often than not the personality types are different.


I do have respect for vintage bike's and can appreciate your comments above about C10's and their owners.


Me personally, I'm a huge fan (and have owned many) of old school oil-cooled Gixxers, but even on the Gixxer forums there are huge differences between the old oil-cooled owners and the newer more modern Gixxer owners, and I'm totally ok with that. I also like the newer Gixxers too, all good! My point is just that different strokes for different folks, we aren't all the same, but when the majority of a forum or group is one type of personality it can and does show in the "vibe/feel" of a forum, that's all.


We good?  ??? 


 :) :grouphug: :chugbeer:

ZG, your post shows class.

I don't post often (I don't like to type) but I read all C10, open forum, arena, funny pages and the range posts. (on both sites)

Nice to see there are still gentlemen out there.  8)

As SISF said ... Rock On!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 07:35:28 PM
Yep, you are 'good' and 'brothers' and all that stuff. His post was aimed at me. Old news and old grudges. No concern of yours Jay.

Brian


Hi Steve,

<snip>

We good?  ??? 


 :) :grouphug: :chugbeer:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: turbojoe78 on April 29, 2014, 07:49:52 PM
Yep, you are 'good' and 'brothers' and all that stuff. His post was aimed at me. Old news and old grudges. No concern of yours Jay.

Brian

Brian,  do you find it acceptable to answer for someone else?

Or was that post just another one of your post's put out as humor?
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 29, 2014, 07:59:33 PM
:rotflmao:

True enough.

Grab a beer and strap on your seatbelt folks, we're heading into the storm :-)

Brian

Having just read the entire thread...if it hasn't been locked, I certainly would have locked it.  All I can say is...wow.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on April 29, 2014, 08:43:51 PM

Yep, you are 'good' and 'brothers' and all that stuff. His post was aimed at me. Old news and old grudges. No concern of yours Jay.

Brian




ZG, your post shows class.

I don't post often (I don't like to type) but I read all C10, open forum, arena, funny pages and the range posts. (on both sites)

Nice to see there are still gentlemen out there.  8)

As SISF said ... Rock On!


Cool, and thanks, I feel better now.  :) :chugbeer:

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 09:15:57 PM
Yeah, lot's of wow. But that is how it is. No matter, we will keep on keepin' on like always. I think things have improved a great deal overall. The constituents just cannot be dealt with in any short order, and frankly, most people don't even notice they are there. As always, the 'better angels of our nature' will come to pass and the haters and disruptors will go to the sidelines eventually.

And besides all of that, it is a good service to the general community that they expose themselves by collectively slapping each other on the back in the typical school yard mentality of third graders. Others looking on should easily be able to see the true nature of everyone involved and move on.

Brian

Having just read the entire thread...if it hasn't been locked, I certainly would have locked it.  All I can say is...wow.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 09:17:51 PM
Not sure what you mean or are referring to but your pack will reward you with a beer, I am sure of that. Stay behind the Alpha and all will be well.

Brian

Brian,  do you find it acceptable to answer for someone else?

Or was that post just another one of your post's put out as humor?
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 09:18:44 PM
So Jim, it is it getting more interesting ?

 :rotflmao:

Brian

Why should the thread get locked?  It's just getting interesting.  Oh, you mean that thread over there...  I just read the first post...all I can say is  :yikes: .
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 09:31:18 PM
Nope, no humor. Anyone who shows respect to his 'superiors' will fair well and they will have no problem. It is those who will not genuflect to the 'powers that be' (at least in their own minds) who risk peril.

Youse guise are funny.

Brian

Brian,  do you find it acceptable to answer for someone else?

Or was that post just another one of your post's put out as humor?
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Son of Pappy on April 29, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Geesh, I get stuck riding a Harley all day and this is the sh!t I get to come back to? ;) :P  I was better off watching free porn :-X

I'm still kinda peeved that I can't have my info posted in their book as a guy who wants to help all generations of Connie riders without paying dues.  I don't want a copy, but I do want to be reachable if a RIDER is in need and in my area.  FWIW, I am NOT a member in any club, too much freaking politics, which is clearly evident in this case.
Lets get back to riding, Winter is over. 
We need a family reunion, just make sure you check your carbs and fobs at the door ;)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on April 29, 2014, 10:01:29 PM

Yeah, lot's of wow. But that is how it is. No matter, we will keep on keepin' on like always. I think things have improved a great deal overall. The constituents just cannot be dealt with in any short order, and frankly, most people don't even notice they are there. As always, the 'better angels of our nature' will come to pass and the haters and disruptors will go to the sidelines eventually.

And besides all of that, it is a good service to the general community that they expose themselves by collectively slapping each other on the back in the typical school yard mentality of third graders. Others looking on should easily be able to see the true nature of everyone involved and move on.

Brian



Not sure what you mean or are referring to but your pack will reward you with a beer, I am sure of that. Stay behind the Alpha and all will be well.

Brian


Nope, no humor. Anyone who shows respect to his 'superiors' will fair well and they will have no problem. It is those who will not genuflect to the 'powers that be' (at least in their own minds) who risk peril.

Youse guise are funny.

Brian


Whatcha talkin bout Willis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k#)

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 10:03:31 PM
Relax Chet, it's all good :-) Just some noise from some disgruntled people is all and you have to be used to that by now.

I'll see you in  a couple of weeks and all will be well; I promise I won't mention any of the vermin that plagues the universe :-)

Hey, let's show them there ADV riders how we put an aux. tank on a bike with nothing but parts from the local hydraulic store and WalMart, eh?     

 :rotflmao:

Brian

Geesh, I get stuck riding a Harley all day and this is the sh!t I get to come back to? ;) :P  I was better off watching free porn :-X

I'm still kinda peeved that I can't have my info posted in their book as a guy who wants to help all generations of Connie riders without paying dues.  I don't want a copy, but I do want to be reachable if a RIDER is in need and in my area.  FWIW, I am NOT a member in any club, too much freaking politics, which is clearly evident in this case.
Lets get back to riding, Winter is over. 
We need a family reunion, just make sure you check your carbs and fobs at the door ;)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
<quote ZG>
Hi Steve,
I sure hope brother that your post isn't directed at my post...  ???


If it is you either totally misunderstood my post or I did a crappy job of trying to type it...  :-[


I have no issue with C10's or there owners, I only meant that more often than not the personality types are different.


I do have respect for vintage bike's and can appreciate your comments above about C10's and their owners.


Me personally, I'm a huge fan (and have owned many) of old school oil-cooled Gixxers, but even on the Gixxer forums there are huge differences between the old oil-cooled owners and the newer more modern Gixxer owners, and I'm totally ok with that. I also like the newer Gixxers too, all good! My point is just that different strokes for different folks, we aren't all the same, but when the majority of a forum or group is one type of personality it can and does show in the "vibe/feel" of a forum, that's all.


We good?  ??? 
<end quote ZG>

Yep, I thinks we be good. Don't you fret yourself no more over dis- everything be OK in your world.

 :rotflmao:

Brian




Whatcha talkin bout Willis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k#)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on April 29, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
<quote ZG>
Hi Steve,
I sure hope brother that your post isn't directed at my post...  ???


If it is you either totally misunderstood my post or I did a crappy job of trying to type it...  :-[


I have no issue with C10's or there owners, I only meant that more often than not the personality types are different.


I do have respect for vintage bike's and can appreciate your comments above about C10's and their owners.


Me personally, I'm a huge fan (and have owned many) of old school oil-cooled Gixxers, but even on the Gixxer forums there are huge differences between the old oil-cooled owners and the newer more modern Gixxer owners, and I'm totally ok with that. I also like the newer Gixxers too, all good! My point is just that different strokes for different folks, we aren't all the same, but when the majority of a forum or group is one type of personality it can and does show in the "vibe/feel" of a forum, that's all.


We good?  ??? 
<end quote ZG>

Yep, I thinks we be good. Don't you fret yourself no more over dis- everything be OK in your world.

 :rotflmao:

Brian


(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll134/hyperknight07/onlinedating2.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/hyperknight07/media/onlinedating2.jpg.html)

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 10:40:23 PM
I think you be good brother, you be good. Not to worry yourself over dis- all be okey dokey.

 :rotflmao:

Brian

Hi Steve,
I sure hope brother that your post isn't directed at my post...  ???


If it is you either totally misunderstood my post or I did a crappy job of trying to type it...  :-[


I have no issue with C10's or there owners, I only meant that more often than not the personality types are different.


I do have respect for vintage bike's and can appreciate your comments above about C10's and their owners.


Me personally, I'm a huge fan (and have owned many) of old school oil-cooled Gixxers, but even on the Gixxer forums there are huge differences between the old oil-cooled owners and the newer more modern Gixxer owners, and I'm totally ok with that. I also like the newer Gixxers too, all good! My point is just that different strokes for different folks, we aren't all the same, but when the majority of a forum or group is one type of personality it can and does show in the "vibe/feel" of a forum, that's all.


We good?  ??? 
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 29, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
Now Chet, go check this out: http://pat-sher.smugmug.com/COG-Tech-Day-2014/ (http://pat-sher.smugmug.com/COG-Tech-Day-2014/)

Tech. day, 2014. Greatest group of people on the planet, including the dog. This is what COG is all about, not the clods and imbeciles found elsewhere. I would personally vouch for every one of the folks in these photos- they are great people. Somehow, this greatness of COG gets watered down across continental lines. Not sure how it happens but it does happen. Still, I can show you literally hundreds of COGgers in the northeast who are wonderful people with no ax to grind: no politics, no bike bias, nothing but good, decent people. Say the word and I will introduce you to as many of them as I can.

Make plans to stay over and I will guarantee you a good time in the Northeast US (not like that you pigs!). Let me know when you will
be here and we can connect.

Just as an aside, letting your membership slide due to a few outspoken people or a few facets of the politics of COG is a lousy reason, with all due respect. Pay your membership dues and affect change from the inside; you are not alone and together, we can make it a better place. At least the opposite is true: drop out and you have no positive impact on future events / appearance of the group at large.

Brian

Geesh, I get stuck riding a Harley all day and this is the sh!t I get to come back to? ;) :P  I was better off watching free porn :-X

I'm still kinda peeved that I can't have my info posted in their book as a guy who wants to help all generations of Connie riders without paying dues.  I don't want a copy, but I do want to be reachable if a RIDER is in need and in my area.  FWIW, I am NOT a member in any club, too much freaking politics, which is clearly evident in this case.
Lets get back to riding, Winter is over. 
We need a family reunion, just make sure you check your carbs and fobs at the door ;)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ssmith on April 30, 2014, 04:21:41 AM
Brian makes an important point.  There is more to COG as a club than comes out in a forum.  The forum is not the club. I've met great folks in both places. Some have become true friends, rather than club acquaintances.  The COG forum, in both of its incarnations, typically only had about 25-40% actual COG members participating, so it is not really fair to judge the club by the content of the forum participation.  The fact that there has always been an online resource (since the listserv days) for Concours enthusiasts to migrate to, members or not, speaks volumes for the intention of the group. Another observation... To jump to the conclusion that there are more C10 than C14 guys in COG is a fallacy.  It's not in the membership numbers and surely does not seem that way at most club events I've been to.  Why do some try to make it an "us vs them" situation? Wouldn't it be in everyone's benefit to relax a bit and just have fun together as Concours enthusiasts? 

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 30, 2014, 04:56:34 AM
Well, this thread certainly dropped off in postings....? :-)

To the casual on- looker: yep, it went from calm and mildly amusing to 'over the top' in about three seconds. As usual in these things, there is a back- story:

Back around the beginning of the year, several of us had a.... oh, let's call it a clash, on the other forum. As usually happens in events involving humans, people took sides and things got a bit intense. Certainly Steve and I clashed. That issue is over and has been for some time and generally, things have calmed down. Of course there are still open wounds and when Steve posted about some people's attitudes towards C-10 owners, I took that as a direct barb jammed into an open wound. That is when things went downhill. Others jumped into the fray, as I said it was an old issue, hotly contested. It is nothing short of amazing how fast an old disagreement ramps up when compared to a new one; this was an old one.

So there it is: this is just the next chapter in an old tussle. Maybe it is over, and that would be great. Maybe not, and that is fine too- either way we will all go on.

Brian
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: BackInTheSaddle on April 30, 2014, 06:58:01 AM
I am relatively new (only 4 years) to both forums and go to them regularly every day.  To me they are both about a great bike (I have owned both), great riding, and great friends.  I wish those who disagree with that would stay away, and those that do agree would just use the forums the way they were intended.  Take your personal disagreements on the politics OFF-LINE if you still must bicker and please don't poison the well we all drink from with negative finger pointing.  Can you imagine if the Hatfields and the McCoys had access to forums, the whole country would be fighting by now.  Oh wait, that's Republicans and Democrats now...

Don't worry, be happy - on a Concours!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 30, 2014, 07:17:54 AM
I respect your point of view and think it is a valid approach.

But a different point of view that I also think is valid is to simply choose what you read on forums. No need to read every post, every thread and especially, every poster's content. Sort of like a radio in an auto: lots and lots of channels, just choose the one(s) you like and ignore the rest.

I too frequent both forums and like them a lot. I have some great friends on both forums, both 'in person' as well as those I have never actually met in person, and enjoy communicating with them. Lots of knowledge and learning in both places and on a good day, at least three chuckles. :-)  But like any social group, there are always going to be conflicts, misunderstandings, and outright clashes. So these places are just like real life- on the whole, very positive, mostly good, sometimes great and sometimes not so nice. [shrugs shoulders]

Brian

I am relatively new (only 4 years) to both forums and go to them regularly every day.  To me they are both about a great bike (I have owned both), great riding, and great friends.  I wish those who disagree with that would stay away, and those that do agree would just use the forums the way they were intended.  Take your personal disagreements on the politics OFF-LINE if you still must bicker and please don't poison the well we all drink from with negative finger pointing.  Can you imagine if the Hatfields and the McCoys had access to forums, the whole country would be fighting by now.  Oh wait, that's Republicans and Democrats now...

Don't worry, be happy - on a Concours!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Tremainiac on April 30, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
One group is more sensitive then the other... But I don't know which. :rotflmao:

It's coming back to me now...  :doh:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 30, 2014, 11:07:52 AM
You going to keep us in suspense or tell us which group is more sensitive.

 ;)

Brian

One group is more sensitive then the other... But I don't know which. :rotflmao:

It's coming back to me now...  :doh:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: just gone on April 30, 2014, 11:22:30 AM
One group is more sensitive then the other... But I don't know which. :rotflmao:

It's coming back to me now...  :doh:

 ;D I enjoyed that!  :goodpost:   :rotflmao:

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 30, 2014, 11:46:39 AM
And now for something completely different...

Red Hot Chili Peppers - The Adventures of Rain Dance Maggie [Official Music Video] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtBbinpK5XI#ws)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Pokey on April 30, 2014, 12:54:50 PM
Drinking already Jim?    :rotflmao:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 30, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
It's quite possible, Poke.  Listening to the Monkees now..
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Pokey on April 30, 2014, 01:00:55 PM
It's quite possible, Poke.  Listening to the Monkees now..


You remind me a bit of an old monkey, just not one that throws poop at people.



Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 30, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Well now that you mention it......when I was much younger... ::)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MrPepsi on April 30, 2014, 04:45:22 PM
Wow when I posted this topic I wasn't sure I would get much response but reading through all these I found myself chuckling out loud and having a good time. I do believe that would hint to me that I am on the correct forum. I know I have found terrific help here in the couple months I have been on it. I have PMed a few people and everyone seems to be more then willing to help and some going out of there way and I much appreciate that and the good vibe it gives me. Roll on my brothers and thanks for being there.  :chugbeer: :thumbs:

Pages and pages could come spewing so be thankful you're only getting this much. There is a LOT more back story than you think. I just doubt anyone will bring IT up.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 30, 2014, 04:45:57 PM
So an interesting thing happened today..... I spoke with Steve (in sunny FL) on the telephone. The call was initiated due to scheduling at the national COG rally ('cause you gotta' be wondering what caused that, right?).

We reached an accord and we're going to try and move in kinder, gentler circles going forward.

This is the part where I would insert a funny but seeing as feathers are already ruffled, in the words of Dana Carvey, 'Not now. Wouldn't be prudent at this junction.'

Brian
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: tweeter55 on April 30, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
 :grouphug: ?
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Outback_Jon on April 30, 2014, 05:55:33 PM
So an interesting thing happened today..... I spoke with Steve (in sunny FL) on the telephone. The call was initiated due to scheduling at the national COG rally ('cause you gotta' be wondering what caused that, right?).

We reached an accord and we're going to try and move in kinder, gentler circles going forward.

This is the part where I would insert a funny but seeing as feathers are already ruffled, in the words of Dana Carvey, 'Not now. Wouldn't be prudent at this junction.'

Brian
I think that deserves a "Well, isn't that special."   ;D
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 30, 2014, 06:34:52 PM
Hey Brian,
 ;) step away from the keyboard... please, as a friend I beseach you....
Many long and drawn out postings do nothing to explain, nor condone, anything that has been wrought upon this website by others that follow like lemmings, a few officers of COG,s onside opinions.
With that said, a patronize this site, and the COG site. I keep my COG membership active, and also my wife's, for the simple reason that as a club, I AM a voting member, and thus entitled to the same voting priviledges, and due respect, from membership as any other member, including the Executive Director.

Its kinda like, if you want your opinion to count, you have to pay the dues....

That's all I have to say about that......

http://youtu.be/e7qQ6_RV4VQ (http://youtu.be/e7qQ6_RV4VQ)


And the times, they are a changing....

I'll also remind / note to newbies, this site lost a DECADE of posts early 2011 , an has since, re established somewhat of what was lost, albeit maybe 25% , but nonetheless the moderation so far ain't soup nazi....
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on April 30, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
Well Rich, I am just not following you here. ?? If you do not want to elaborate publicly, shoot me an e-mail or PM.

There is no assault on COG anywhere in this thread by me. Not even a hint of criticism. Any contention on my part was with individual and had nothing to do with any organization.

Brian

Hey Brian,
 ;) step away from the keyboard... please, as a friend I beseach you....
Many long and drawn out postings do nothing to explain, nor condone, anything that has been wrought upon this website by others that follow like lemmings, a few officers of COG,s onside opinions.
With that said, a patronize this site, and the COG site. I keep my COG membership active, and also my wife's, for the simple reason that as a club, I AM a voting member, and thus entitled to the same voting priviledges, and due respect, from membership as any other member, including the Executive Director.

Its kinda like, if you want your opinion to count, you have to pay the dues....

That's all I have to say about that......


And the times, they are a changing....
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Son of Pappy on April 30, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Brian, Rich, FWIW, I hear both of you loud and clear.  I am "voting" with my wallet.  I also vote with my statements and share my personal experiences with those whom I meet.  I gave up my dog in that fight and I miss her dearly, but I like the company 'round these parts mo bettah... I reckon that means I also vote with my bandwidth ;D
I admire loyalty above most anything else and truly respect many on both sides of the feud.  One side took shots at me so I naturally picked the side I found more comforting.  One day, mark my words, this feud will come to an end and we will be one big happy family, too many great folks to predict any other outcome.  Heck, there may even be an adult or two ;) :)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: just gone on April 30, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
So an interesting thing happened today..... I spoke with Steve (in sunny FL) on the telephone. 

We reached an accord and we're going to try and move in kinder, gentler circles going forward

 :chugbeer:  :thumbs:  :grouphug:   

Well done to the both of you.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: udoggie on April 30, 2014, 11:51:17 PM
For someone who got my C14 and joined both of the forums after the "little spat", it all seems rather silly, when it seems like 75% of the posts are duplicated on both sites.

Of course, I don't know the details of what happened to cause the split, and honestly don't care.  I just contribute to both of the forums when I can,  and not engage in the games...

Jeff
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 07:01:47 AM
Hey, that is fine too Chet and I hear you regarding your reasons.

The COG forum has changed substantially in the last few months and I think the changes will be permanent. I am very confident that at least some, if not all, of your past negative experiences would not be repeated today. I am speaking about any personal interactions, not any contention between the two forums, which I believe is really done, gone and buried. It is simply no longer a topic of any kind.

As far as COG membership, I participate simply because the group of people in my local area are fantastic- great people, lots of fun and laughs and we invariably have a great time with them. So while COG is a national organization, International actually, the fact is that any given member spends the great majority of time with folks local to his / her area. So COG is sort of like a group w/in a group; I know a lot of the local folks and associate with them often but on the forum for example, it is national and of course I have not met, at least in person, the majority of the people that actually correspond there. So a significant portion of COG will be each member's local area I think rather than the national presence, at least most of the time (other than the national rally of course).

Brian

Brian, Rich, FWIW, I hear both of you loud and clear.  I am "voting" with my wallet.  I also vote with my statements and share my personal experiences with those whom I meet.  I gave up my dog in that fight and I miss her dearly, but I like the company 'round these parts mo bettah... I reckon that means I also vote with my bandwidth ;D
I admire loyalty above most anything else and truly respect many on both sides of the feud.  One side took shots at me so I naturally picked the side I found more comforting.  One day, mark my words, this feud will come to an end and we will be one big happy family, too many great folks to predict any other outcome.  Heck, there may even be an adult or two ;) :)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 07:11:52 AM
Well, we are both participating in the tech. functions (Steve is actually the tech. coordinator for this year's national, I am presenting / participating in some technical seminars) so as adults, for the good of the organization but mostly for the benefit of the membership, we will work together. The object is to present things that may be of interest and use to the folks who care to attend; any friction between us is really quite irrelevant.

To put the whole thing in a political light, we could have chosen to act like the Congress but instead we choose to get something done and are shooting for progress instead.  ;) ;D

Brian

:chugbeer:  :thumbs:  :grouphug:   

Well done to the both of you.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Racer Boy on May 01, 2014, 07:56:56 AM
For someone who got my C14 and joined both of the forums after the "little spat", it all seems rather silly, when it seems like 75% of the posts are duplicated on both sites.

Of course, I don't know the details of what happened to cause the split, and honestly don't care.  I just contribute to both of the forums when I can,  and not engage in the games...

Jeff

Me too!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Son of Pappy on May 01, 2014, 08:15:34 AM
Good to hear Brian, I'll do some dabbling and test the waters ;D  If the org is fixing things I have no issue adding my $$ to the pool so I am able to help as able.  I just want to be listed as a member who can offer mech assistance for riders that may be in my area.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Pokey on May 01, 2014, 09:19:42 AM
I am not much of a fan for "clubs" especially ones that you must pay to play, to each their own I reckon.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MrPepsi on May 01, 2014, 09:27:14 AM
I've gone to a couple of the COG events, and both times felt a little like an outsider. Like I wasn't part of the IN croud. I've even expressed my displeasure, with some good feedback. I keep paying my dues, but each year I say I will not renew. I just don't see the benefit. The COG forum has so little action, it just doesn't seem worth going anymore. However if they truly are making efforts to work on things, I may take a look and see how things are going.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
I really did not mean to go down this path at all but seeing as we are now actually discussing COG, I would respond to you Brent that it sure sounds like you gave your local COG group a fair shot and found it was not for you. Hey, that happens and it is the reason we are not all members of hundreds of organizations. As I said earlier in this thread, while COG is absolutely national, I think of it as a lot of little 'islands' of members. I live in RI and normally associate / meet with folks from New England and nearby NY and NJ and that is about the extent of the folks I often meet w/in COG. And in all sincerity, they are the best group of people I have had the pleasure to be associated with in my life. But perhaps I would not quite fit in or like the COG group in your area as much. ??

I am a fan of COG and promote the group (Andrea and I will be representing COG at Twisted Throttle's Open House in a few weeks) but not beyond all reason: if it is not working for you, I can certainly understand that. And you seem to have a very reasonable attitude toward your experience with the group- just what you personally took away from it without any bias or preconceived expectations.

As far as the forum, anyone can 'test drive' that at any time. There have been some changes, and there is an active, continuous effort to hopefully make things better. Unfortunately, some of those very efforts have been loud and combative but I would encourage anyone to take that with a grain of salt, try to understand that it was an isolated period and is not the normal behavior. And finally, there is an effort to get the chuckles rating a bit higher. Hey, there is a minister over there who grew this thing he calls a beard (more like a hedge actually), didn't know what to do about it and we're going to shave that thing off him at the national rally in front of a crowd.... with a straight razor. And I've never shaved anyone other than myself in my life- now if that ain't good, old fashioned fun, I just don't know what is.  :yikes: ;D

Brian

I've gone to a couple of the COG events, and both times felt a little like an outsider. Like I wasn't part of the IN croud. I've even expressed my displeasure, with some good feedback. I keep paying my dues, but each year I say I will not renew. I just don't see the benefit. The COG forum has so little action, it just doesn't seem worth going anymore. However if they truly are making efforts to work on things, I may take a look and see how things are going.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 10:40:56 AM
Well, I would not use the word 'fix' because I don't like to think of it as having been 'broken'. Let's say there have been a wave of very significant changes in the last, oh, six months. Moving in a different direction perhaps.

And bear in mind that as all organizations do, COG is continuously changing membership and leadership. Again, I do not mean to say that it is being 'fixed' because that is not what is happening; rather it is changing with new blood coming in all the time. Not all of the changes may be positive of course; why the local assistant area directors in my own area of COG are a pretty nefarious looking pair that everyone should keep a close eye on lest they misbehave. :-)

You and I have spoken about this privately before and I think you will find that your greatest concerns have been completely eliminated. But hey, I am not trying to drag people into the organization like a missionary- take a look for yourself. You do not have to join to check out the forum or even sign in if you do not want to.

Brian

Good to hear Brian, I'll do some dabbling and test the waters ;D  If the org is fixing things I have no issue adding my $$ to the pool so I am able to help as able.  I just want to be listed as a member who can offer mech assistance for riders that may be in my area.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: omcrider on May 01, 2014, 10:51:06 AM
I can tell you this, I have been a member of a motorcycle club for going on 20 years. I have not enjoyed all personalities I come across or think every member is a benefit to the overall organization. However in public you would never see me openly fight with or degrade these individuals and cause a rift. Reading some of this I find it interesting and a bit disturbing that a few personal squables get spread out onto the forum so people can pick sides. That is the worst thing that can happen to any club or organization.

Maybe some of this comes from being a Marine in wartime the most important part of success is a cohesive unit. You have to be able to trust and respect the guy next to you regardless of what station or walk of life you come from and wheter or not you actually like the individual. If there is an issue you deal with it quietly and don't let it poison the larger group.

This thread started off enjoyable and then became painful to read through.  :-\
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MrPepsi on May 01, 2014, 12:16:56 PM
I can tell you this, I have been a member of a motorcycle club for going on 20 years. I have not enjoyed all personalities I come across or think every member is a benefit to the overall organization. However in public you would never see me openly fight with or degrade these individuals and cause a rift. Reading some of this I find it interesting and a bit disturbing that a few personal squables get spread out onto the forum so people can pick sides. That is the worst thing that can happen to any club or organization.

In this case its much more than a few squables. It goes a bit deeper. Sit down with a long time member someday, and you may get told some of the details.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 12:31:57 PM
Of course we all have our own, differing opinions.

But given your statements, I assume had you been alive in 1776, and been native born on American soil, you would have staunchly supported the King against the traitors to avoid the squabble, openly fighting with others in public, and maintaining the cohesiveness of the King's authority?

Brian

I can tell you this, I have been a member of a motorcycle club for going on 20 years. I have not enjoyed all personalities I come across or think every member is a benefit to the overall organization. However in public you would never see me openly fight with or degrade these individuals and cause a rift. Reading some of this I find it interesting and a bit disturbing that a few personal squables get spread out onto the forum so people can pick sides. That is the worst thing that can happen to any club or organization.

Maybe some of this comes from being a Marine in wartime the most important part of success is a cohesive unit. You have to be able to trust and respect the guy next to you regardless of what station or walk of life you come from and wheter or not you actually like the individual. If there is an issue you deal with it quietly and don't let it poison the larger group.

This thread started off enjoyable and then became painful to read through.  :-\
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 01, 2014, 01:08:02 PM
Of course we all have our own, differing opinions.

But given your statements, I assume had you been alive in 1776, and been native born on American soil, you would have staunchly supported the King against the traitors to avoid the squabble, openly fighting with others in public, and maintaining the cohesiveness of the King's authority?

Brian

Strange turn....but ok.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 01:57:54 PM
Is it really that strange? I am an American, born and bred, and proud of it but I have always seen the British point of view regarding out revolution (or our treason from their point of view). Had the American Revolution failed, the history written about it would have been very different than what I was taught at American schools and would have gone something like: 'The gov't put down a fairly serious rebellion between the years 1775 and 17XX'.  These questions of nationality and patriotism are usually not as simple as they may appear at first. A good, loyal German performing his correct and necessary duty in 1943 may well have been tried for being a war criminal in 1946 so again, I believe the question of loyalty and 'doing the right thing' can easily come into conflict.

Brian

Strange turn....but ok.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 01, 2014, 02:25:55 PM
So are you saying that if you aren't a member of COG you should be tried as a war criminal?  That members of this forum are considered rebellious (although I can identify with that) and should have stayed with the COG crown (not that there's anything wrong with wearing a crown or a helmet)?  A bit confused with your analogy, Brian.   You're making my brane hurt again.




Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 02:44:45 PM
I was replying to the person who said he thought going against a group that a person belongs to in public is wrong and should not be done. He further said that a primary code in the Marine Corps was unity.

Given those rules, any good German in 1943 would be supporting the war effort in any way, including killing people wholesale, right? After all, the rule is we do not go against the 'organization' publicly.

I specifically compared that position, always support the 'organization' with the US Revolution: were not our founding fathers in fact being traitorous to King George, their sovereign and 'organization' (the British Crown) leader?

So there is the question: should no one publicly dissent from an organization that person is a member of? The gentleman to whom I was responding gave an extremely clear, very 'black and white' view; I am merely trying to question how that view fits in various formats.

And the issue being discussed has absolutely nothing to do with COG whatsoever. But of course I assume you were just making a joke and forgot the  ;D 

Brian

So are you saying that if you aren't a member of COG you should be tried as a war criminal?  That members of this forum are considered rebellious (although I can identify with that) and should have stayed with the COG crown (not that there's anything wrong with wearing a crown or a helmet)?  A bit confused with your analogy, Brian.   You're making my brane hurt again.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 02:46:16 PM
Hey, if nothing else, at least this place is not as quiet as a morgue anymore....

 :rotflmao:

Brian
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: datsaxman@hotmail.com on May 01, 2014, 02:47:04 PM
((this post is making me remember why I am glad there is no cost to join this forum.)) 

Like Chet [whose former C14 resides in my garage when I am not leaving black Pirelli stripes on the local mountain roads], I am voting with my $$$.  Unlike Chet, that means I am not a COG dues payer.  Hey, Chet!

Jim, are you deliberately baiting Brian, or what?  If not, I think you are reading the analogy too literally.  A person may have loyalties on one side of the argument and not the other.  But that does not make the other side wrong, nor their argument or cause invalid. 

Oh, and flame away.  We have German ancestors.  Who came to the US before it was the US. 

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on May 01, 2014, 02:47:23 PM
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Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 02:51:54 PM
Interesting. It is usually a very large, bouncing pair of breasts you post at this point Jay. :-)

Brian


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Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 02:56:40 PM
No cost? Sucked at least a few of your [limited supply of minutes of] life out of you. And what could be more valuable?

Swing by Chet's house and put on an auxiliary fuel tank- he and I developed a process you have to see to believe.   :yikes: :rotflmao:

Brian

((this post is making me remember why I am glad there is no cost to join this forum.)) 

Like Chet [whose former C14 resides in my garage when I am not leaving black Pirelli stripes on the local mountain roads], I am voting with my $$$.  Unlike Chet, that means I am not a COG dues payer.  Hey, Chet!

Jim, are you deliberately baiting Brian, or what?  If not, I think you are reading the analogy too literally.  A person may have loyalties on one side of the argument and not the other.  But that does not make the other side wrong, nor their argument or cause invalid. 

Oh, and flame away.  We have German ancestors.  Who came to the US before it was the US.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: datsaxman@hotmail.com on May 01, 2014, 03:01:15 PM
Brian, I am 1200.8 miles South of Chet's.  Not making the trip this week!

Do tell...auxiliary tank??  I have one plumbed for the C10 that I used in the three day Utard 1088 a few years ago.  Made for 11 gallons of goodness at a time.  Do tell!

saxman
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 01, 2014, 03:16:35 PM
((this post is making me remember why I am glad there is no cost to join this forum.)) 

Like Chet [whose former C14 resides in my garage when I am not leaving black Pirelli stripes on the local mountain roads], I am voting with my $$$.  Unlike Chet, that means I am not a COG dues payer.  Hey, Chet!

Jim, are you deliberately baiting Brian, or what?  If not, I think you are reading the analogy too literally.  A person may have loyalties on one side of the argument and not the other.  But that does not make the other side wrong, nor their argument or cause invalid. 

Oh, and flame away.  We have German ancestors.  Who came to the US before it was the US.

Baiting Brian?  Interesting thought, but no.  It's not in my make up to 'bait' people.  I just respond to what's been said based on the voices in my head at any one time.  My question was for clarification.  Brian answered that question.

As far as dues for this forum, you should have gotten the bill when you joined us.  I admit I've been somewhat lax in that regard.  I can resend it if you wish.  As far as Germans go, one of my best riding buddies was full German.  I miss him greatly as we've drifted apart.  Same as Max with his friend.  However, if you mention Germans to my mom, who was bombed by them in WWII....she has a different opinion not easily swayed by time and took that same opinion to her grave.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 03:46:13 PM
And ruin this perfectly good thread with offtopic nonsense? NEVER!

Well, OK cause I am waiting for some electrons to finish up moving.

Once upon a time, there was dis guy from the east coast who rode all the way across the US of A on a motorcycle. One of the very painful aspects of the trip was getting about 13 miles to the gallon in SD (due to unbelievable headwinds ALL the way) and short- tanking because of it. So with grit, determination, $11 in materials and Chet's unwavering help (and the extremely generous use of his garage and machine shop- thanks Chet!), those two fellas proceeded to do a surprising (ly bad) job of whittlin' a 5 gallon plastic fuel jug, some rubber tubing, a few brass fittings and various washers, O-rings, quick dry epoxy ("This stuff will stop any leak"..... sure it will) into a weapon of mass destruction. Truly it was remarkable.... in the speed at which it spewed forth gasoline from multiple points. After several re-works, a trip through the lathe with the tank fitting, quite a few bad words strung together in new and exciting forms- Viola! A perfect set up! Aux. tank strapped to the passenger seat (with some nylon belting, string and a bungee cord IRRC), our hero kissed Chet goodbye and raced off to the nearest fuel station to fill said aux. tank and bask in the happiness of almost unlimited range. But what really happened was that he ended up basking in the every widening pond of gasoline under his feet. Hmmmm. At first it seemed like something might be leaking but upon closer examination, everything was leaking and not just a little either. So, back to Chet's house to try and spiff up that mess.... and of course, escape the scene of the crime and leave it to the EPA Superfund.

Back at Chet's place, we found out where it went wrong and corrected it. Whew, that was close. Again 'dat guy' rides off into the sunset with a shiny new fuel tank on the bike ready to ride to the other coast. Have you ever noticed that you can get the words "WHEN SUDDENLY" into just about any sentence in the English language? Well.... dat guy was staying at his son and daughter- in- law's apartment whist (Limey word, just for you Jim) on the west coast and rode happily from Chet's to the gas station, fueled everything up, than rode to his son's apartment and parked for the night. Got up the next day, went outside to the bike for some reason or other WHEN SUDDENLY, the stench of gasoline filled his nostrils. Gee, could it be his bike? Nah, no way, it was just some cosmic coincidence.... but upon further examination, it did seem that the large gasoline soaked asphalt spot was directly under his motorcycle. Several emotions now: fear, terror, embarrassment, fear, shock, amazement, and a sudden need to escape the scene.

So our intrepid guy rides off (carefully 'cause the ground really was very slippery) in search of some way to address this.... situation. He ended up at a local Auto Zone, with his son (driving a car and bringing tools), pulling the fuel tank off the bike. Lots of paper towels trying to mop things up, a new store- bought container to drain the bike's fuel tank into and some disassembly. Ah, there is the problem: the O-ring on the inside of the fitting is all cut up from something: stick a new O-ring in there and re-fill the tank (partially) with fuel and get ready to bask in the goodness of a non- leaking fuel tank. WHEN SUDDENLY it was leaking again.... and the new O-ring turned out to be cut up like the last one. ?? Bear in mind that all during this entire escapade, I... er, I mean 'that guy' is going back and forth into the store to buy tools, O-rings, washers, etc., etc. and each time I enter the place, I smell more and more like a Chevron refinery. (note: the manager of the store came out to see what I was going (of course) and was absolutely great about it- he just asked me that when I was done if I had spilled anything that did NOT evaporate to let them know so they could clean it up- KUDOS Auto Zone). Upon further examination, it was the nasty burr left inside the fuel tank from the step drill that was eating the O-rings and causing the leak. As the guy with the bike did not have anything to take care of that, he used two fiber washers with a healthy helping of silicone seal and Viola! again- it did not leak.

Happily Ever After. The End.

So you should make the effort to go to Chet's house and add a temporary auxiliary fuel tank 'cause I gots to tells ya', it is the most exciting two days you could possibly have with a motorcycle. By the way, I am of course not blaming ANY of this on Chet, I did the work and it was all my fault of course. But Chet did come up with the soundbite that summed up the whole project: when we were done (the first time, not the seventh time) and were standing there looking at the monstrosity that it was, I said something like 'As bad as that looks, I do not think there is anything actually illegal there'. To which Chet responded: 'Yeah, they haven't gotten around to making every bad idea illegal..... yet.'    :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Brian

Brian, I am 1200.8 miles South of Chet's.  Not making the trip this week!

Do tell...auxiliary tank??  I have one plumbed for the C10 that I used in the three day Utard 1088 a few years ago.  Made for 11 gallons of goodness at a time.  Do tell!

saxman
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on May 01, 2014, 03:57:25 PM
Interesting. It is usually a very large, bouncing pair of breasts you post at this point Jay. :-)

Brian


I'll take bouncing breasts over diarrhea of the mouth on a bike forum any day...  :)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 03:59:00 PM
Well, I guess I would two if those are our only two choices. Are those our only two choices Jay?

Brian


I'll take bouncing breasts over diarrhea of the mouth on a bike forum any day...  :)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MrPepsi on May 01, 2014, 04:03:10 PM
Yes they are. Now shhhhhhh.
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Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Tremainiac on May 01, 2014, 04:05:22 PM
You going to keep us in suspense or tell us which group is more sensitive.

 ;)

Brian

No horse in this race... though I'm not a member of any club that would have me as a member.
Their standards would be to low.

This topic went off the tracks pages ago.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 04:08:14 PM
Hey, you know what Jay? I owe you a public apology. I over-reacted a couple of days ago in this thread and was absolutely out of line with my response to you. I apologize and retract what I said. I was a bit angry, it was late and you just got caught up in my response- sort of like overspray. Of course that does not excuse my posts so again, I apologize and bear you no ill will. If you want, I would be happy to delete those posts or leave them as you wish- it is entirely up to you.

I am not asking for any type of response and understand perfectly if you remain cranky, deservedly so IMO but I did want to try and correct this such as I can, after the fact though it is.

Brian


I'll take bouncing breasts over diarrhea of the mouth on a bike forum any day...  :)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MrPepsi on May 01, 2014, 04:12:28 PM
I'm not sure Jay even knows how to get cranky.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
That may be true but his being very easy- going is not an excuse for me (or anyone) to behave badly towards him. Or try to get away with it after the fact and not own up to doing it in the first place. Jay has been around here since the early days of the C-14 at least, as have I, and we have had an association on this forum for quite a few years now. In all that time I have not known him to be mean spirited toward anyone in anyway and that actually makes my behavior even worse because Jay does not seem to have the usual 10% 'schmuck' in him that most of us do.

Brian

I'm not sure Jay even knows how to get cranky.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 04:26:29 PM
True- there is really only one thing left to do to finish it up.


KiPass!

Brian

<snip>

This topic went off the tracks pages ago.
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MrPepsi on May 01, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
I don't know, he took my beer that I offered to him at my sister's house last year.
Even drank them in front of me.
Sheesh, what a jerk.

 :chugbeer:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on May 01, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
Hey, you know what Jay? I owe you a public apology. I over-reacted a couple of days ago in this thread and was absolutely out of line with my response to you. I apologize and retract what I said. I was a bit angry, it was late and you just got caught up in my response- sort of like overspray. Of course that does not excuse my posts so again, I apologize and bear you no ill will. If you want, I would be happy to delete those posts or leave them as you wish- it is entirely up to you.

I am not asking for any type of response and understand perfectly if you remain cranky, deservedly so IMO but I did want to try and correct this such as I can, after the fact though it is.

Brian


Thanks Brian, apology accepted.  :)


We're good.  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: ZG on May 01, 2014, 08:27:55 PM
I don't know, he took my beer that I offered to him at my sister's house last year.
Even drank them in front of me.
Sheesh, what a jerk.

 :chugbeer:


 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:


Well I had Gumby with me MP, if I don't grab it and drink it quick he will...  ;) ;D :chugbeer:

Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: B.D.F. on May 01, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Thank you. You are a good guy Jay, and a better person than I am. Thank you for your graciousness.

Brian


Thanks Brian, apology accepted.  :)


We're good.  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Son of Pappy on May 01, 2014, 08:48:30 PM

Thanks Brian, apology accepted.  :)


We're good.  :chugbeer:
Good thing, if'n ya didn't Kirby was gonna club ya with an elk hoof! :o
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Conrad on May 02, 2014, 04:41:59 AM
I really did not mean to go down this path at all but seeing as we are now actually discussing COG, I would respond to you Brent that it sure sounds like you gave your local COG group a fair shot and found it was not for you. Hey, that happens and it is the reason we are not all members of hundreds of organizations. As I said earlier in this thread, while COG is absolutely national, I think of it as a lot of little 'islands' of members. I live in RI and normally associate / meet with folks from New England and nearby NY and NJ and that is about the extent of the folks I often meet w/in COG. And in all sincerity, they are the best group of people I have had the pleasure to be associated with in my life. But perhaps I would not quite fit in or like the COG group in your area as much. ??

I am a fan of COG and promote the group (Andrea and I will be representing COG at Twisted Throttle's Open House in a few weeks) but not beyond all reason: if it is not working for you, I can certainly understand that. And you seem to have a very reasonable attitude toward your experience with the group- just what you personally took away from it without any bias or preconceived expectations.

As far as the forum, anyone can 'test drive' that at any time. There have been some changes, and there is an active, continuous effort to hopefully make things better. Unfortunately, some of those very efforts have been loud and combative but I would encourage anyone to take that with a grain of salt, try to understand that it was an isolated period and is not the normal behavior. And finally, there is an effort to get the chuckles rating a bit higher. Hey, there is a minister over there who grew this thing he calls a beard (more like a hedge actually), didn't know what to do about it and we're going to shave that thing off him at the national rally in front of a crowd.... with a straight razor. And I've never shaved anyone other than myself in my life- now if that ain't good, old fashioned fun, I just don't know what is.  :yikes: ;D

Brian

Well, they certainly have enough emoticons to help with the 'chuckle rating' over there.    ;)
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: stevewfl on May 02, 2014, 12:01:44 PM
This forum has more dead rodents participating. Not worth all that much but it does give a different perspective....

Kirby

KIRBY!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: Kirby on May 02, 2014, 02:53:28 PM
Yeah?

Kirby

KIRBY!
Title: Re: ZGGTR vs COG Forum
Post by: MrPepsi on May 14, 2014, 04:45:09 PM
The COG forum has so little action, it just doesn't seem worth going anymore. However if they truly are making efforts to work on things, I may take a look and see how things are going.

Nope, still as boring as ever.
Just too many guys who almost never post.
Too many double posts which I already read over here.