Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: c14blair on January 02, 2013, 08:38:16 AM
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i had dealership install new back tire, and now the low battery warning for tire pressure is flashing. i guess i was wrong in making the assumption they would replace the battery when replacing the tire. my mistake. i'm not taking it back to them, and i was wondering if there is a way to shut this thing off?
it's a 08 C14.
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Take the wheel off and remove the battery or just let it die, which could take some time. Mine have been dying when it gets cold for the last several years.
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i had dealership install new back tire, and now the low battery warning for tire pressure is flashing. i guess i was wrong in making the assumption they would replace the battery when replacing the tire. my mistake. i'm not taking it back to them, and i was wondering if there is a way to shut this thing off?
it's a 08 C14.
The battery was not designed to be replaced. Although it can be done dealers will not do it.
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I'm not sure why you would think that the shop would replace the battery in your TPMS, did you ask them to? Shops won't replace the batteries anyways, they'll replace the entire sensor though. The system is not designed to have a easily replaceable battery, but it can be done.
You can make the warning go away for a while. Press the top dash button and hold it while you press and release the bottom button, then release the top button.
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ha ha, i guess i am just stupid. i just thought it would be like a normal thing to replace the battery or unit every time you replace the tire.
i am going to try with the display to see if i can disable the flashing notification.
thanks for the advice.
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ha ha, i guess i am just stupid. i just thought it would be like a normal thing to replace the battery or unit every time you replace the tire.
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That's not stupid, that's just the way these should have been built. One of the few "what were they thinking" items on our bikes. Every manufacturer needs at least one.
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ha ha, i guess i am just stupid. i just thought it would be like a normal thing to replace the battery or unit every time you replace the tire.
i am going to try with the display to see if i can disable the flashing notification.
thanks for the advice.
You can disable the message, but once you stop and then start again you have to go through the procedure again. I just let it complain... Takes about 5 miles or so to stop by itself once the battery realizes it's really ok.
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I'm riding an '09, and I replaced the batteries over the last few days. Not all that difficult. I haven't taken the bike out yet to see if they work (too dang cold right now), but it was simple enough that I expect they will work. -On the other hand, I remember reading that there is something a dealer needs to do to get the TPS units communication with the bike. Is that so? I've read where guys have replaced the batteries as I have, and they just worked right away.
Is whether a dealer needs to do something a factor of which year the bike is? If mine don't work for some reason, I'll just check the TP manually. No big deal. I'm NOT paying $150+ each for two new sensors!
chip
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I'm riding an '09, and I replaced the batteries over the last few days. Not all that difficult. I haven't taken the bike out yet to see if they work (too dang cold right now), but it was simple enough that I expect they will work. -On the other hand, I remember reading that there is something a dealer needs to do to get the TPS units communication with the bike. Is that so? I've read where guys have replaced the batteries as I have, and they just worked right away.
Is whether a dealer needs to do something a factor of which year the bike is? If mine don't work for some reason, I'll just check the TP manually. No big deal. I'm NOT paying $150+ each for two new sensors!
chip
Assuming that you did the work correctly and that the new batteries are good, you should be good to go. Normally the only time that the dealer has to do some programming is when the entire TPM is replaced.
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Then they ought to work. It seems no more difficult to do and anything else on the bike, though a magnifying lens and a head lamp really helped.
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You can disable the message, but once you stop and then start again you have to go through the procedure again. I just let it complain... Takes about 5 miles or so to stop by itself once the battery realizes it's really ok.
Mine no longer realizes it is OK.
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Totally understandable in your situation...
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Totally understandable in your situation...
:battle:
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That's not stupid, that's just the way these should have been built.
Exactly. Plus, properly unmounting and then balancing and remounting a motorcycle tire is neither quick nor easy, nor is it cheap. And for many of us, it is not terribly "routine" either.
And baring a total concept redesign, they could have at least used a larger battery. And/or at least given the user the ability to [semi]-permanently disable it through the controls. The TPS system is probably the single biggest flaw on the C-14 and one that could have been easily fixed or at least mitigated.
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They're covered under warranty, makes approx $300 every 3 years for the extended warranty worth it IMO...
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They're covered under warranty, makes approx $300 every 3 years for the extended warranty worth it IMO...
Yes and no. Certainly I think the extended warranty is well worth the price. And yes, it will really pay for itself in such cases. However, there have already been posts about how dealers are not always cooperative about replacing them. AND the apparent new policy shift that if they correct themselves during X amount of time in use, then they won't be replaced... which could mean many MONTHS (even years according to some posts) of irritation to the rider on many if not every trip. And even if replacement is honored, you still have to deal with the hassle of working with the dealer, somehow getting back from the dealer if you can't have it done while you wait, lost time, risk of other damage done to the bike while there, etc. And then you get to go through it all again years in the future.
BAD DESIGN!!!
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The bitch is that, at least in my case, you can't ignore it -- it just demands your attention. Thus turning a safety feature into a danger feature.
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- personally , i value the TPMS on the C14 as it helps the rider , usually in the worse moments , eg , when a deflation is imminent.
- as for the perceived hassle in maintaining the TPMS , imho , its an electronic device powered by a battery. That will by definition have a failure rate.
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Simplest solution would be to remove them when they play up and replace with normal valves? as long as no fault is thrown up you won't have the problem again.....
Just my point of view ....
I retired from the cops last year, having rode traffic bikes since 1994.... none had tyre pressure monitors, and the two rear wheel punctures I had in that time were both noticed at low speed when it got a bit squirrely..... And I'm still alive....
A bit like traction control... never had that either... and never fell off through lack of it ( managed to drop it a few times when stationary ;D)
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The bitch is that, at least in my case, you can't ignore it -- it just demands your attention. Thus turning a safety feature into a danger feature.
You can make the warning go away till the bike is shut off and started again. Press the top dash button and hold it while you press and release the bottom button, then release the top button.
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Simplest solution would be to remove them when they play up and replace with normal valves? as long as no fault is thrown up you won't have the problem again.....
Just my point of view ....
I retired from the cops last year, having rode traffic bikes since 1994.... none had tyre pressure monitors, and the two rear wheel punctures I had in that time were both noticed at low speed when it got a bit squirrely..... And I'm still alive....
A bit like traction control... never had that either... and never fell off through lack of it ( managed to drop it a few times when stationary ;D )
Our minds think alike in this matter. :thumbs:
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Simplest solution would be to remove them when they play up and replace with normal valves? as long as no fault is thrown up you won't have the problem again.....
Just my point of view ....
I retired from the cops last year, having rode traffic bikes since 1994.... none had tyre pressure monitors, and the two rear wheel punctures I had in that time were both noticed at low speed when it got a bit squirrely..... And I'm still alive....
A bit like traction control... never had that either... and never fell off through lack of it ( managed to drop it a few times when stationary ;D)
I agree completely. If a flat is imminent, you will notice the handling change. If you don't, you aren't paying attention. If you are paying attention, and feel nothing, and the tire goes flat, a TPMS would not have time to warn you before the flat occurs.
The monitoring systems were put in place as a result of the Ford Explorer issue which really had nothing to do with tires, but in reality had to do with artificially low pressure recommendations by Ford in order to meet federal vehicle height requirements, combined with owner inattention to tire pressure. Firestone took the hit the first time despite the fact the tires were not t fault, they refused to take the hit the second time. I own and use a tire gauge. Pressure monitor systems are an unnecessary luxury that should not be mandatory as they are now in automobiles in the states.
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The ones on my 09 just started giving me issues. I had the front replace in October 2012 and had the rear replaced yesterday. Both were done by my dealer under warranty. As long as these last 2 years, I will more than likely be on another bike by then. If the 2014 offers cruise, that is when it will happen.
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The monitoring systems were put in place as a result of the Ford Explorer issue ...
Another example of the vehicle being mandated to compensate for the lack of operator training and ability.
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Another example of the vehicle being mandated to compensate for the lack of operator training and ability.
+1
sad but true
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Another example of the vehicle being mandated to compensate for the lack of operator training and ability.
Thought it was done more for the female species? :)
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Got my first 'battery low' warning light this morning while riding to work in 23 degree weather. Come on spring!
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Only battery i worry about is KiPass.
The battery in my rims and the stock battery on the bike have lasted >66,000 miles because i maintain my KiPass battery (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/blingbling.gif)
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Only battery i worry about is KiPass.
The battery in my rims and the stock battery on the bike have lasted >66,000 miles because i maintain my KiPass battery (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/blingbling.gif)
Interesting. I didn't ride with my KiPass fob this morning. I used the passive key that is on my key chain because taking the Connie was a last minute decision.
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Interesting. I didn't ride with my KiPass fob this morning. I used the passive key that is on my key chain because taking the Connie was a last minute decision.
LoL!
I tried that once too. Although it worked, my bike didn't run as fast and I was scared something would break, Kawasaki style break (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif)
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You can make the warning go away till the bike is shut off and started again. Press the top dash button and hold it while you press and release the bottom button, then release the top button.
That just turns on the orange/red spotlight to blind you the rest of the ride.
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That just turns on the orange/red spotlight to blind you the rest of the ride.
And at night it is very blinding, just like the hyper-bright blue high-beam indicator. I usually put a piece of black tape to cover 95% of it.
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My '08 had continuing problems with the TPMS, and after several discussions with the dealer, we eventually agreed to disagree. I simply asked that they be removed, and the dealer was able to change the settings so that the warning does not display any more. I now have a very effective, simple and reliable system for monitoring my tire pressure. It consists of a $2 tire gauge, and a responsible owner that checks the tire pressure on a regular basis. End of story. I only wish the KIPASS story had a similar ending (nothing like stirring the pot). ;)
Ride safe ... 8)
Dave
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So what's the kipass story?
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+1 :popcorn:
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And at night it is very blinding, just like the hyper-bright blue high-beam indicator. I usually put a piece of black tape to cover 95% of it.
Definitely need to put some tape on that light. Makes using the highbeams useless when my pupils constrict.
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Definitely need to put some tape on that light. Makes using the highbeams useless when my pupils constrict.
Exactly. The only time I use high beams is in remote areas with no other cars (which is the only time one really SHOULD ever use them) and typically there are no street lights either. So it is dark, dark, dark. The blinding blue indicator light produces so much glare it obscures my vision, defeating the whole point of using the high beams at all!
The red indicator light is not as bad for some reason. But it still can be very annoying at night.
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Well, I think my front has kicked it in.. :'( . Took a ride today and it took 35 miles for the low battery message to go away. Then on the way back it came on whilst riding and then on and off and is now finally staying on. I imagine the death throes will last a bit until the battery goes to battery heaven at some point..sigh.
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Well, I think my front has kicked it in.. :'( . Took a ride today and it took 35 miles for the low battery message to go away. Then on the way back it came on whilst riding and then on and off and is now finally staying on. I imagine the death throes will last a bit until the battery goes to battery heaven at some point..sigh.
That's exactly what the rear sensor on my bike was doing before it was replaced.
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35 miles? Yesterday I rode over 300 and it never went away. ;D
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$16 bux if we had this K1600GT BMW bike. And the KiPass works on the baggage too :D
http://www.bmwmcchattanooga.com/products/BMW-Motorcycles/2012/K1600GT/Repair-kit--tire-pressure-monitor-valve-RDC/7242865/36318520871.html (http://www.bmwmcchattanooga.com/products/BMW-Motorcycles/2012/K1600GT/Repair-kit--tire-pressure-monitor-valve-RDC/7242865/36318520871.html)
(http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/a/I/0/-/2011-BMW-K1600-red.jpg)
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My rear TPS has finally died, no more red light or warning. 8)
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35 miles? Yesterday I rode over 300 and it never went away. ;D
My return trip was a shade under 200....it stayed on most of that time..so it's not a cold issue anymore.
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$16 bux if we had this K1600GT BMW bike. And the KiPass works on the baggage too :D
http://www.bmwmcchattanooga.com/products/BMW-Motorcycles/2012/K1600GT/Repair-kit--tire-pressure-monitor-valve-RDC/7242865/36318520871.html (http://www.bmwmcchattanooga.com/products/BMW-Motorcycles/2012/K1600GT/Repair-kit--tire-pressure-monitor-valve-RDC/7242865/36318520871.html)
$122+ if you knew how to read. ;D
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My front warning came on in warm (75F) weather yesterday but it went out in less than 2 miles. I believe it has a lot to do with how long it sits idle. This ride was the first time my C14 has been parked for more than 5 days. 94,000 miles 5 yrs , 4 mo. old.
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The guys on the GTR-AUS Forum have a method with photos posted on how to change the battery in the TPMS while maintaining power to the sensor so as not to have to reprogram the thing.
Shows how to wire it up and has the replacement battery details, scroll down as it is near the bottom of the page.
http://gtr1000.yuku.com/topic/4087/Tyre-Pressure-Sensors?page=2#.UPkOSnd5eSo (http://gtr1000.yuku.com/topic/4087/Tyre-Pressure-Sensors?page=2#.UPkOSnd5eSo)
I have not had battery problems with my 2011 as yet.
Cheers
Paul
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The guys on the GTR-AUS Forum have a method with photos posted on how to change the battery in the TPMS while maintaining power to the sensor so as not to have to reprogram the thing.
Shows how to wire it up and has the replacement battery details, scroll down as it is near the bottom of the page.
http://gtr1000.yuku.com/topic/4087/Tyre-Pressure-Sensors?page=2#.UPkOSnd5eSo (http://gtr1000.yuku.com/topic/4087/Tyre-Pressure-Sensors?page=2#.UPkOSnd5eSo)
I have not had battery problems with my 2011 as yet.
Cheers
Paul
My understanding is that 'we' determined that it was not necessary to maintain power to the sensor while replacing the battery?
Not that it really matters but it's not the sensor that gets the programming, it's the bike.
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+1. The sensor retains it's embedded 'data' even when the battery has given up. All that's needed is to just replace it and 'Bob's your uncle', it magically comes back to life. However, if there is information to the contrary we would love to hear about it.