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Offline wally_games

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Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« on: March 03, 2014, 03:23:09 PM »
Ok, here's a question from someone that's never considered the option before. (Please be gentle!)

If I were looking for a DS bike that was going to spend 95%+ of the time on the highway going places and touring, and less than 5% of the time "off road" (fairly smooth packed dirt or gravel roads, for instance), what are the best options. I'm thinking something that I could be on a road trip and say, "Hey, that dirt road or trail looks inviting." and get off the highway.
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 04:24:27 PM »
Right now the king of the heap is the BMW GS 1200. They also have an 800 cc version that looks really nice.  Suzuki has just updated the Vstrom so it's worth a look as well, and much cheaper. THe Weestrom is also a nice option.  Moving closer to dirt oriented, the new KTM 1190 looks oh so tasty.  It all depends on how far your pavement tours will go.  If we're talking a few miles, then dirt, I'd opt for a lighter bike geared more for dirt.  If long distance on asphalt, bigger bike is good.  Keep in mind the bigger bikes really are adventure in name only and might be a handful in anything more technical than a gravel road.

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 06:53:57 PM »
Triumph tiger explorer, or tiger 800. Possibly Yamaha Super Tenere. Friend of mine had some bad luck with the Multistada (developed a pretty substantial oil leak).Otherwise, ^^ good choices.

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 08:44:21 PM »
Your description is exactly why I got a V-Strom, the 650.  You will obviously notice the power difference, from the C14, but you will also be pleasantly surprised I believe.  Check one out if you get the chance.
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 09:54:59 PM »
KTM 1190  <---95% onroad

KTM 1190 R  <---more offroad

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 11:22:56 PM »
That's a tough one.  I am biased to my 2010 F800GS.  I liked it (and SWMBO) liked it so much I parted ways with Silverdammit.  As I have it more for the off road uses and a bike capable of doing 800 mile days to get there I have the F800GS.  If I were more road biased with only an occasional off road excursion I would have the Super Tenere with the 1200GSA being a close second.  Once the 1190ADV-R has been field proven I will have that bike as my street weapon and setup to also explore the unpaved bits.  I will still keep the F800GS for my ADV Travels, hands down, as it is setup, the best long distance ADV Bike on the road.

Would you believe I have spent far more on the GS than I ever even thought of on the C14?  Not ZG type levels, but it is approaching it.  Full on suspension, soft and hard luggage, a winch, lights, 2 GPSs, Spot3 tracking unit, Bark Busters, Remus pipes, Akro can, Touratech bash plate, Alt Rider crash bars, Pivot pegs, Renazco seat, Camel Tank (vacuum fed aux fuel tank), 2 sets of aux LED lights and a larger LED light conversion to replace the birthday candle Hitler installed, Power Commander, Better (not taller) windscreen.  And that isn't even touching the gear that goes into the panniers.  Not trying to scare the OP off, but???  Oh, off road gear for you , the rider.  DO NOT FALL FOR BOOTS LABELED AS ADV BOOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Unless you just do not like your feet and ankles.  Get dirt bike/MX boots, once you get used to them it is hard to ride off road without them..

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2014, 05:37:22 AM »
For what you described any bike would fit the bill. Including the Concours.   It just depends how fast you want to go on that packed dirt road.

Now if you are going to get into mud and ruts and water crossings that is a different story.  Then it comes down to how much $$ do you want to spend.
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 08:26:39 AM »
 ::)  Often said "A man of many words gets ignored"  Well said  TWA.

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 09:56:56 AM »
KTM 1190  <---95% onroad

KTM 1190 R  <---more offroad




How about the percentage it will be stuck in the garage because it is broken down?  ;)
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 11:14:47 AM »

How about the percentage it will be stuck in the garage because it is broken down?  ;)

I seem to recall hearing that back in 2007 when they announced the C14 ;)  FWIW, durability/reliability is the reason I am waiting for at least 2 years.  Many who buy one will never really ride it, so it will take a couple years to see how the durability works out.

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2014, 12:01:15 PM »

How about the percentage it will be stuck in the garage because it is broken down;)

Huh?
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2014, 04:13:53 PM »
Huh?

He was forced to drink Orange Koolaid as a kid, without the sugar added ;)

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2014, 01:52:41 PM »
He was forced to drink Orange Koolaid as a kid, without the sugar added ;)


OHHHH  OK thanks, now I understand
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2014, 06:54:26 PM »
KLR all the way!
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2014, 08:44:05 PM »
KLR all the way!

road mine across the country and back... off-roaded it.....sold it  ;D

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2014, 10:01:05 PM »
road mine across the country and back... off-roaded it.....sold it  ;D




Boy that was set up nice, you regret selling it at all?
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2014, 08:52:34 AM »
I still like this as one of my favorites in this segment.
Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/stelvio-1200-ntx.html
And the Triumph Explorer XC 1200
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/tiger/2014/tiger-explorer-xc
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2014, 11:23:28 AM »
I still like this as one of my favorites in this segment.
Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/stelvio-1200-ntx.html
And the Triumph Explorer XC 1200
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/tiger/2014/tiger-explorer-xc

The MG has an 8.5 gal tank.

I've looked at the Explorer XC. If it just didn't come in the olive drab color, I'd really be interested. The non-XC version might do what I need.
'14 BMW 1200 GSw (red, what little there is that's not grey)
'11 Concours ABS (black) w/ Leo Vince carbon, heated Corbin, Garmin; TechSpec pads (gone but not forgotten)
'05 Yamaha FZ6, only crashed once, gone in trade; '87 Honda Gold Wing Aspencade, sold; '85 Honda Magna (700), sold; '76 Kawasaki KZ400, sold

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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2014, 08:28:32 PM »
KTM 1190  <---95% onroad

KTM 1190 R  <---more offroad



I sat on one of these at the international bike show earlier this year and spent some time giving it a careful once-over and one area that didn't impress me was the factory hard bags.  Basically plastic with a sheet of metal over it to give the rugged look.  There were a bunch of little dents in them just from having people get on and off the bike.  The mounting clips looked to be cheap plastic too - not what you'd expect for an adventure style bike.  I asked the salesperson about it and he admitted they are weak and his response was basically "well, you can always bungee it on the back if one falls off;"  Granted, that has nothing to do with the mechanics or performance of the bikes - but to me it raises a red flag if KTM is willing to cheap out in this area. 
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Re: Which DS, if I were to take the plunge
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2014, 10:59:21 PM »

Boy that was set up nice, you regret selling it at all?

No sir, no regrets. I'm glad our friend Mike (Bugnuts) bought it instead of a stranger.  He did a wrap on it and it looks awesome!
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