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Strange cracks...
« on: December 07, 2015, 02:08:41 PM »
This is reposted from the UK forum...

http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5184.0

Anyone with a 10 on up see this yet?
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2015, 02:23:25 PM »
No, have not seen that one before- clearly a KiPass failure.

Looks like the screw may have been over- tightened.

Brian

This is reposted from the UK forum...

http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5184.0

Anyone with a 10 on up see this yet?
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2015, 02:50:50 PM »
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18029.msg220697#msg220697

Similar, but different. This one looks like a screw problem, suppose mine could have been, too (where the grip heather switch mounts).
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2015, 03:13:03 PM »
You might want to add an Easy Boys! after the 'screw problem' part of that second sentence.

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http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18029.msg220697#msg220697

Similar, but different. This one looks like a screw problem, suppose mine could have been, too (where the grip heather switch mounts).
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2015, 03:50:25 PM »
One of my panels failed right where the well nut is located. Just looks like a missing screw. Mainly because it is a missing screw. ::)
I must have used it too much when it was new... :P

Probably from landing a monster wheelie. 8)
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2015, 03:55:50 PM »
No, have not seen that one before- clearly a KiPass failure.

Looks like the screw may have been over- tightened.

Brian

 :goodpost:  Probably didn't realize it at the time and the vibrations/time/environmental conditions compounded the issue.

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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 04:22:51 PM »
Looks like the screw may have been over- tightened

I agree.  I bet that sucker was just a little too tight and over time, it finally stressed the plastic too much and with a hard bump, game over.  Sorry to see that kind of thing happen, it is a pain.
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2015, 04:35:58 PM »
Doesn't happen on the 08/09 bikes.
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2015, 05:14:12 PM »
You might want to add an Easy Boys! after the 'screw problem' part of that second sentence.

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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2015, 05:19:41 PM »
I was relieved seeing the first picture here and it was a bike part. I feared this was going to be some Walmart type pics of diverse people showing there backsides.

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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2015, 05:28:43 PM »
VirginiaJim,
My 2011 has done that. Stinks.
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2015, 05:31:40 PM »
VirginiaJim,
My 2011 has done that. Stinks.

It really is VERY easy to overtighten many of the bodywork screws on the C14.  They like to use those rubber bushings below the screws.  The bushings are nice because they can help to eliminate rattles and keep things from loosening.  But they also crank up the force on the plastic and make it difficult when tightening to know when to stop.  And I doubt there are specs for the torque for body screws :)  (Nor have I seen a torque-metered screwdriver... and who would do that, anyway???)
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2015, 05:44:06 PM »
It really is VERY easy to overtighten many of the bodywork screws on the C14.  They like to use those rubber bushings below the screws.  The bushings are nice because they can help to eliminate rattles and keep things from loosening.  But they also crank up the force on the plastic and make it difficult when tightening to know when to stop.  And I doubt there are specs for the torque for body screws :)  (Nor have I seen a torque-metered screwdriver... and who would do that, anyway???)

I know, Max...
I've had to pull that panel a few times for various things like when I installed my Rostra, or when I change my air filter, etc.

Didn't think I overtightened it enough to cause that, but... It did.
If I had left it any looser, it probably would have vibrated out.
You wouldn't think using a 3" 3/8's extension with a torx bit by hand would have overtightened it enough to crack it, but mine split completely into.

It didn't break though when I tightened it. It waited for many miles later. Looked down one day... there it was... cracked in two at the bolt.
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2015, 06:38:17 PM »
No, have not seen that one before- clearly a KiPass failure.

Looks like the screw may have been over- tightened.

Brian

Look exactly like that. Someone hamfisted it.

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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2018, 09:36:51 AM »
It really is VERY easy to overtighten many of the bodywork screws on the C14.  They like to use those rubber bushings below the screws.  The bushings are nice because they can help to eliminate rattles and keep things from loosening.  But they also crank up the force on the plastic and make it difficult when tightening to know when to stop.

Well, now mine is cracked too (below glovebox trim near the heater control).  And it has been months since I last removed that panel and pretty sure I didn't over-tighten.  It just "appeared" after several hot days.  For now, it is just a single crack, and doesn't connect to the screw (it is on the other side, near the handlebars).  Makes me sick, but, oh well.  Next time I take it out for some reason, I will look and see if there is a way to mend it from behind with epoxy or something :(
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2018, 10:35:07 AM »
A new one is only about $65.  So before spending a lot of money with plastic welding services or making something out of epoxy, you might just want to order a new one.  It does, however, appear to me that this piece is under-engineered.  The way it cracks looks like the stress of the openings and the inserts is just too much for that thickness and grade of plastic.

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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2018, 12:26:39 PM »
A new one is only about $65.  So before spending a lot of money with plastic welding services or making something out of epoxy, you might just want to order a new one.  It does, however, appear to me that this piece is under-engineered.  The way it cracks looks like the stress of the openings and the inserts is just too much for that thickness and grade of plastic.

Yeah, it always seemed to me to be "too thin", from the first time I disassembled it.  I thought "surely this is going to break, especially over time when it is bound to get more brittle".  Interestingly, I found the part on one major site- it is the only one of all those shown in the explosion diagram that is "not available".  $7 for some epoxy might do the trick.  It isn't structural and I don't think it is like to get worse, and I am in no rush to fix it.  Might be quite a while before I take that panel off for some other purpose.
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 07:02:42 AM »
You might want to add an Easy Boys! after the 'screw problem' part of that second sentence.

:-)

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Screw problems in a thread titled 'Strange Cracks'. Yeah, we're gonna need a few 'easy boys' here and there.
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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 10:47:12 AM »
Screw problems in a thread titled 'Strange Cracks'. Yeah, we're gonna need a few 'easy boys' here and there.

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Re: Strange cracks...
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 10:54:24 AM »
Word of the day is incorrigible.
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