Kawasaki Concours Forum
Riding => It's not a Concours - other Bikes => Topic started by: twowheeladdict on April 15, 2015, 11:45:02 AM
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My wife would like me to get down to 5 bikes. I have been seriously thinking about what one bike would replace two I currently have.
I could replace the Voyager and Concours with a Goldwing. Have the comfort she requires, and still have the smooth power the connie provides. The only color Goldwings I like are black or some other dark color.
I could replace the Versys and Concours with a Adventure Touring bike like the KTM adventure or Super Tenere or Tiger Explorer.
The Moto Guzzi, and KT250 trials bikes aren't going anywhere. If I got rid of the Versys, I would want to keep the KLX250 for the extensive gravel roads and shortcuts near my house.
That leaves the Mean Streak, Voyager, Concours, and Versys to shrink down to 2 bikes.
I could replace the Voyager and Mean Streak with an Indian or Victory to retain the 2 up touring capability and cool factor.
Then that would leave replacing the Concours and Versys with an adventure touring bike.
If I replaced the Concours and Voyager with a Wing, I don't know what would replace the Mean Streak and Versys. I would still want a cruiser style bike so maybe replace the Mean Streak and KLX with an Indian Dark Horse.
Mmm. What a dilemma.
Who am I kidding. I will probably just add another bike to the stable and park two bikes close enough together to throw one cover over two. :)
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First World problems... ;D
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What a fantastic problem to have!
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If the goose and the kt are definitely out of the discussion then you are already at the five bike goal. No problem.
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Indian Dark Horse!!!!!!!!!
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My wife would like me to get down to 5 bikes. I have been seriously thinking about what one bike would replace two I currently have.
I could replace the Voyager and Concours with a Goldwing. Have the comfort she requires, and still have the smooth power the connie provides. The only color Goldwings I like are black or some other dark color.
I could replace the Versys and Concours with a Adventure Touring bike like the KTM adventure or Super Tenere or Tiger Explorer.
The Moto Guzzi, and KT250 trials bikes aren't going anywhere. If I got rid of the Versys, I would want to keep the KLX250 for the extensive gravel roads and shortcuts near my house.
That leaves the Mean Streak, Voyager, Concours, and Versys to shrink down to 2 bikes.
I could replace the Voyager and Mean Streak with an Indian or Victory to retain the 2 up touring capability and cool factor.
Then that would leave replacing the Concours and Versys with an adventure touring bike.
If I replaced the Concours and Voyager with a Wing, I don't know what would replace the Mean Streak and Versys. I would still want a cruiser style bike so maybe replace the Mean Streak and KLX with an Indian Dark Horse.
Mmm. What a dilemma.
Who am I kidding. I will probably just add another bike to the stable and park two bikes close enough together to throw one cover over two. :)
^^^^win win
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Lol, get another wife! HAHA Just kidding!! That's a tough call though, all great bikes in their own way... If I absolutely had to though, I think I would go the Goldwing route as well...
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Lol, get another wife! HAHA Just kidding!! That's a tough call though, all great bikes in their own way... If I absolutely had to though, I think I would go the Goldwing route as well...
Took me 36 years to get her to this point. ;)
She has no control over what I do. She just feels the addiction is getting a little out of control.
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Admittance is the first step to recovery...
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She just feels the addiction is getting a little out of control.
Everything in excess, moderation is for monks.
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'Merica!
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Admittance is the first step to recovery...
If I owned one corvette, or "king ranch" F250, no one would even give it a second thought. But, more than a couple bikes and everyone thinks I have a problem. :o
Even the lady at the DMV was like, "Why so many bikes? You can only ride one at a time." to which I replied. "The real question is, why so many plates since I can only ride one at a time." ::) That shut her up.
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do the following mental exercise: imagine you sell them all, except those 2 you want to keep. Then try to fill the 3 empty spots in your garage. What would you get?
Don't think about what you have, really, just forget it. Think what would you get.
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Martin, mind games will not be tolerated here.. ;)
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do the following mental exercise: imagine you sell them all, except those 2 you want to keep. Then try to fill the 3 empty spots in your garage. What would you get?
Don't think about what you have, really, just forget it. Think what would you get.
Super Tenere ES loaded for camping and touring, Indian Dark Horse, and Ducati Scrambler.
Of course I don't have the $$ to make that kind of change all at once, and none of those bikes are in the used market yet.
I don't really like the looks of the ST, but it fits me the best ergonomically out of the adventure touring choices with driveshaft. Of course that would mean no bike to ride my wife around on, but the reality is that she hasn't ridden with me since my sister and BIL were hit head on last summer.
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I have the unfortunate problem of being restricted to only one bike. I made the change a year ago from the Concours to a BMW 1200GS. I miss the Connie sometimes, but the Beemer is pretty nice.
My other option would have been to exchange the wife for the Beemer and keep the Connie, but she does have advantages that NO bike can offer. ;)
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Lol you can get a farkle for that
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I think I will need to ride each one for a day or two before I weigh in on the matter......since I'm not riding 2 up I don't see the G'wing fitting my needs.
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I'd lose the Voyager and Mean Streak. Then buy another toy. 8)
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Definitely lose the Voyager..
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Ducati Multistrada Granturismo
Concours 1400
Triumph Rocket III
This could compliment any garage and urge I could get.
I tried out a nice Gold Wing last year and I could never go that route and I do mostly highway miles.
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I have been threw this before. I have owned 4 Connie's. I trade one off thinking it is the bike I don't need. Then turn around a buy another. I have even owned 2 and 3 Goldwings at a time. As of today I own a 1800 Goldwing, GL1500 Valkyrie, and my 09 Concours. I just don't feel I need to play on the gravel roads anymore, plus there are almost none in the area where I live. I still look at KLR 650's and think I need one but so far I am winning.
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The adventure style bike that is gonna really take off is BMW's new one. Uses the S1000R's engine, and not as ergo radical as a GS. I would love the XR, and possibly get rid of my whole stable if only one bike could be owned.
(http://theneed4speed.com/Images/BMW-S1000XR.jpg)
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The adventure style bike that is gonna really take off is BMW's new one. Uses the S1000R's engine, and not as ergo radical as a GS. I would love the XR, and possibly get rid of my whole stable if only one bike could be owned.
(http://theneed4speed.com/Images/BMW-S1000XR.jpg)
Both bikes in the photo are nice bikes. Chain drive and touring are two things I don't want to combine again.
The nice thing about the voyager is hydraulic valve lash adjusters. No having to tear the bike down just to check clearances.
I wish kawasaki would have just modernized the voYager 1200 with fuel injection, brakes, suspension, and throttle by wire. That i-4 with HLA was a great platform.
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Both bikes in the photo are nice bikes. Chain drive and touring are two things I don't want to combine again.
I many people's opinions, including mine, it is not any sort of touring if it has a chain. One can't just slap panniers on something and claim it is a tourer :)
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Sure you can, Max.....
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The chain is a valid point. It would lean me towards a Triumph Explorer or Moto Guzzi Stelvio.
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Quite a simple matter to trim the herd. Trade in the Voyager and your Connie for a new Connie!
I did and smiling like a "Cheshire Cat" to boot.
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Quite a simple matter to trim the herd. Trade in the Voyager and your Connie for a new Connie!
I did and smiling like a "Cheshire Cat" to boot.
If they would have added electronic cruise control and HLA along with that green color, I would have been all over it. 8)
Sure, the redline would have to be lower, and the overall HP reduced, but in the touring bike the less maintenance the better.
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The chain is a valid point. It would lean me towards a Triumph Explorer or Moto Guzzi Stelvio.
Triumph Explorer is physically too large for me. Had an extended test ride on one. The Guzzi is a great bike, but has a more frequent maintenance schedule and not many dealers if an issue crops up while out on a tour.
The Super Tenere is on the short list, but will wait for a fully farkled used one at a great price.
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Replace the C14 and the Voyager with a Victory Vision Tour? Yeah, belt drive isn't a shaft, but it ain't a chain either. Rode with a guy in January in west Texas that rode one. The twisties didn't slow him down. He hung with the C14s, C10, and the ST1300 no problem. He even took it off pavement a bit (dirt road at the end of TX FM 170 in Candelaria TX.). He and his Vision Tour were very quiet, very visible, and very fast, and had a heck of a lot of storage, and the back seat looked comfy too! Fuel injected, hydraulic lifters, 26.5" seat height, power windshield, heated seats and grips, ABS, cruise control, the looks would take some getting use to, but I was impressed, and I didn't think I'd ever be impressed by a V twin. Just a thought.
(http://polaris.hs.llnwd.net/o40/vic/2015/img/model-photos/large/2015-vision-lightbox-06.jpg)
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But they are so damn ugly. Arlen needs to go back to design school. Just my opinion, some do like it.
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But they are so damn ugly. Arlen needs to go back to design school. Just my opinion, some do like it.
Ugly indeed.... and I know I could never get past the V-twin part. But, it is not me who wants to trade the C14!
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Ugly indeed.... and I know I could never get past the V-twin part. But, it is not me who wants to trade the C14!
Not trading my 14 either, but some twins are cool. KTM, DUC,Aprilia, and even the VStrom and older Honda twins are really nice. Granted they aren't 45* V Twins with uber long strokes, but still two cylinders. Super Duke R 1290, and Panigali S 1299 come to mind. tomp
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Not trading my 14 either, but some twins are cool. KTM, DUC,Aprilia, and even the VStrom and older Honda twins are really nice. Granted they aren't 45* V Twins with uber long strokes, but still two cylinders. Super Duke R 1290, and Panigali S 1299 come to mind. tomp
mmmm twins....
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mmmm twins....
That would make a great desk top wallpaper for my laptop. Gotta love those twins. FWIW, I believe that may be why guys ride Harleys, for the twins. tp
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That would make a great desk top wallpaper for my laptop. Gotta love those twins. FWIW, I believe that may be why guys ride Harleys, for the twins. tp
Sheesh, well, there's gotta be some reason.
:P
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Sheesh, well, there's gotta be some reason.
:P
Seems folks everywhere like Harleys. Just this one forum has over 300,000 members. Most bike forums would kill to have that kind of participation. No reason to dis the untold millions who ride and enjoy riding simple, nostalgic motorcycles.
http://www.hdforums.com/forum/ (http://www.hdforums.com/forum/)
tp ;D
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Seems folks everywhere like Harleys. Just this one forum has over 300,000 members. Most bike forums would kill to have that kind of participation. No reason to dis the untold millions who ride and enjoy riding simple, nostalgic motorcycles.
http://www.hdforums.com/forum/ (http://www.hdforums.com/forum/)
tp ;D
...until you're stuck behind them in your own personal hell cause you can't pass.... 8)
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...until you're stuck behind them in your own personal hell cause you can't pass.... 8)
You guys are hilarious. Spoke with a DL1000 owner this PM, and we agreed that all motorcycle are fun to ride. Limiting oneself with motorcycles is like dating only blondes. LOTS TO BE SAID FOR BRUNETTES AND REDHEADS...
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I have ridden many of the Victory lineup. The Vision is a great handling bike. The looks are out there, and the ergonomics lock you into that cruiser riding position. Nearest dealer is 80 moles away.
When you start getting in the low $20k on bikes there becomes a lot of choices. I'd probably get a fully loaded R1200GS water boxer. The suspension is amazing on the latest model, and plenty of power.
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...until you're stuck behind them in your own personal hell cause you can't pass.... 8)
Your on a concours, you don't get stuck behind anyone unless you choose to.
When I want to ride casual and enjoy the scenery, I'd rather be on a cruiser. Riding the concours at the speed limit is boring at best, and excruciating at worst.
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Seems folks everywhere like Harleys. Just this one forum has over 300,000 members.
I think most of them are following a concept, not a product.
Besides, don't discount us.... quality is better than quantity :)
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So this will be my one and only Harley Defender post. I DO NOT like the company called Harley Davidson for many reasons (Eric Buell's treatment comes to mind). I love Harleys. Very much. I've owned only two of them in my life - a 96 1200 Sportster sport model, and an 06 RoadKing Custom model, but both did their jobs extremely well. Both were super reliable.
The image of a greaseball Harley rider wrenching his shovelhead on the side of the road is 35 years out of date. My bullet proof Sportster went over 100 THOUSAND miles before I destroyed the engine getting cute and looking for 1400cc of displacement - it would have gone much further had I just left it alone. I took it on a 5000 mile cross country trip by myself that was absolutely epic.
The road king was superb at what it was meant to do - go somewhere far away in comfort, but still be a daily rider. It didn't corner for ****, it wanted to run at 70 mph all day and didn't really appreciate anything over 85, but 600-700 mile days were easy with me and the wife on back (I don't do iron butts - not my thing). I sold it after three years and 60 thousand trouble free miles because I still owed money on it and I was starting a business and didn't need the monthly expense (Still had 2 other bikes in the garage at the time). I regret it terribly.
While I demand reliability, I like more than performance on motorcycles, I like character - one of the reasons I am forever stuck lusting after bikes from the early 80's - they all had character! Harley's have character. (This Connie has character - I'm just not sure yet exactly what it is...lol)
I'll sum it up like this - of all the bikes I've ever owned (2 Kawis, 2 Hondas, 3 Yamahas, and 2 Harleys), the Sportster is my favorite all around bike - A Harley Davidson. I love all types, all brands, all styles of motorcycle, and all have flaws, but Harley gets unfairly treated, IMHO, because of the history of the MoCo itself, and the history of the Harley culture, not the bikes.
Now, as to the original idea about twins - I'm a "V" fan and a thumper fan. Only my 2 Kawi's were inline engines. My Honda's were an '86 V-twin shadow and an '84 V4 Magna (WHAT A BIKE!). My Yamaha's, are two '78 SR500 thumpers (can not tell you how cool these bikes are!) and a V4 '85 Venture Royal. And, of course, 2 Harley's. I'm extremely interested in the new Indians and I've looked a Victory bikes several times over the last few years.
In the immortal words of Ron Burgundy, "I love torque. Torquie torque torque." The biggest challenge to the Connie is re-learning to keep the rpms ABOVE 4 grand instead of under 4 grand...lol
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Tall adventure steeds may get tiresome. What about a fun standard like the CB1100? You could move out of the cruiser and Guzzi.
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I road all the Victory's when the factory truck came through Denver a couple of years ago. The Vision was the most impressive and surprising. I can't get past the looks either but it is one impressive luxury ride.
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Tall adventure steeds may get tiresome. What about a fun standard like the CB1100? You could move out of the cruiser and Guzzi.
The 1100 was originally designed for Japanese riders, and no real ergo changes were made for taller American riders. I put my name on one before they were even available. Upon arrival, sitting on it for just a few seconds was enough for me to back out of the deal. Seat to peg length was the shortest I had sat on, including sport bikes. I only have a 30" inseam, too. I know Honda increased the tank and added a 6th gear, but the seating arrangement still is too tight for me. Lot less HP than my 1150RT, too.
Shoot it's his money we're spending, so I say, get the new R1200R WC. Not too tall, not too short, Screens and bags are available for longer trips, and it has 125HP. As a standard, the insurance isn't too bad, either. I would love to have one, but the 14 stays, and the RT is paid for too, so I guess unless I win the lottery, the R-R will continue to be a dream for me.
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Replace the C14 and the Voyager with a Victory Vision Tour? Yeah, belt drive isn't a shaft, but it ain't a chain either. Rode with a guy in January in west Texas that rode one. The twisties didn't slow him down. He hung with the C14s, C10, and the ST1300 no problem. He even took it off pavement a bit (dirt road at the end of TX FM 170 in Candelaria TX.). He and his Vision Tour were very quiet, very visible, and very fast, and had a heck of a lot of storage, and the back seat looked comfy too! Fuel injected, hydraulic lifters, 26.5" seat height, power windshield, heated seats and grips, ABS, cruise control, the looks would take some getting use to, but I was impressed, and I didn't think I'd ever be impressed by a V twin. Just a thought.
(http://polaris.hs.llnwd.net/o40/vic/2015/img/model-photos/large/2015-vision-lightbox-06.jpg)
If Kim Kardashian were a motorcycle, this is what she would look like from behind.
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Not sure if Buck Rogers or George Jetson... :-\
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Even the Vision isn't this broad in the beam... If told to haul azz, she'd have to make two trips... ;D
(http://i2.wp.com/okmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/20142.jpg?fit=960%2C9999)
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Dude! :battle: I can't un-see that! :battle:
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Since beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, I may have to go give the new V-strom 1000 another look this week...
It's been kinda growing on me as a possible what's next. 8)
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Dude! :battle: I can't un-see that! :battle:
It was connie14boy that made the comparison. I was simply allowing all to make the same comparison....Rather large isn't it. . . Strange, being famous for having a big azz, and nothing else.
Tex, saw a new Strom a while back. Super bike and the stupid clutch basket chudder is a thing of the past.
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Tom, the SHADOW of that azz weighs 20 lbs
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Tom, the SHADOW of that azz weighs 20 lbs
Damn, you made me choke, I got to laughing sooo hard. But I do believe you are right. tp
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That pic should be on the aircraft we like thread. A small plane could land on it.
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Wonder what he had in mind for that cell phone? Or is that a geiger counter, checking to see if any atomic contraband is being smuggled in there?
(http://i.imgur.com/ND0p0CA.jpg)
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I've banned members for less...and you did it TWICE!
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That phone must have the new 'Cattle Prod App'.
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Damn thing's so big it's shredding her pants.
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Or is she so toxic that her clothes are disintegratin?
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You guys are hilarious. Spoke with a DL1000 owner this PM, and we agreed that all motorcycle are fun to ride. Limiting oneself with motorcycles is like dating only blondes. LOTS TO BE SAID FOR BRUNETTES AND REDHEADS...
I agree. I've ridden both many times.
Blondes, not so much. 8)
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I've banned members for less...and you did it TWICE!
You loved it or you would have deleted it. It is rather large. Not sure it would properly fit on the pillion seat of our 14's.
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Actually I'm thinking about moving the entire thread, but that's really up to Max now.
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You loved it or you would have deleted it. It is rather large. Not sure it would properly fit on the pillion seat of our 14's.
Or the seat of a Kenworth. ::)
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Actually I'm thinking about moving the entire thread, but that's really up to Max now.
I was debating a move yesterday to "It's not a Concours" but was waiting to see which direction it was going :)
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I'm gonna disregard all the junk in the trunk, and say I'm in the tank for either a CB1100 or a Vstrom1000. ;D
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I'm gonna disregard all the junk in the trunk, and say I'm in the tank for either a CB1100 or a Vstrom1000. ;D
The DL1000 VStrom gets my support vote. Not overly aggressive, like a Multistrada, but able to take you from coast to coast in adventure comfort. The 1100 is really an around town bike, but I'm sure lots of owners use them for much more. Would require trial and error to get the wind screen right, and correct bags and trunk, to make it a traveling rig, with usefulness anywhere close to C14,
How's this for getting back on track, Max and Jim?
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I'm gonna disregard all the junk in the trunk, and say I'm in the tank for either a CB1100 or a Vstrom1000. ;D
Either one of those is going to be culture shock after the C14. Kind of like me going from an Electra Glide to a C14. I dig the retro look of the CB though.
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Either one of those is going to be culture shock after the C14. Kind of like me going from an Electra Glide to a C14. I dig the retro look of the CB though.
Very true. I'm quite spoiled with my C14 and don't intend to trade it off for peanuts, even for the Aprilia Caponord I've been eyeing....
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Tall adventure steeds may get tiresome. What about a fun standard like the CB1100? You could move out of the cruiser and Guzzi.
I did a few test rides on the cb1100. It was typical Honda precision with no character. Didn't feel like riding a motorcycle. I chose the Moto Guzzi over the Honda. Hondas in general bore me.
Why would the SUV of motorcycles get tiresome? Great visibility. Plush suspension. Amazing cornering clearance.
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Actually I'm thinking about moving the entire thread, but that's really up to Max now.
Wait a minute now. How about just stripping the divergence from the original thread. I don't want my thread going to the cesspool.
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I've been riding the concours these past two days around Tennessee and Kentucky. It really is a great bike and would be hard to part with. A cold front came through with heavy winds and the Connie is barely phased by them. There are a lot of great roads around here. I will post up a ride report when I get home.
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Wait a minute now. How about just stripping the divergence from the original thread. I don't want my thread going to the cesspool.
I wouldn't call "It's not a Concours -other Bikes" a cesspool! :) Besides, it had a long run in the other forum. The main problem would be trying to determine where the divergence is. Plus, I have to say, the mod tools for moving select postings from one place to another are very unfriendly in SMF (much worse than others I am used to).
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Max, I don't know if I've made any unrelated comments in this thread but feel free to spend your time to reread the entire five pages and delete them if you find them, including this one.
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I wouldn't call "It's not a Concours -other Bikes" a cesspool! :) Besides, it had a long run in the other forum. The main problem would be trying to determine where the divergence is. Plus, I have to say, the mod tools for moving select postings from one place to another are very unfriendly in SMF (much worse than others I am used to).
Thought you were talking the other area where the Kardashian's belong. ;)
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Been causing myself some trama by considering trading my 2014 for a 2013 ZX14R. I went for a bit of a ride yesterday and came to a decision, that I'm good with what I have ::) .
By keeping the Concours I don't have to spend any $$ on bags, taller windshield, heated grips. Helibars, two or three rear tyres( per season) or triple on insurance.
Something that helped was one of our secondary highways in the foothills. I came up behind 6 riders on sport bikes and within 1.5km I had work past all of them. 8) I know how I ride this bike and it scares me to think how I'd ride the 14R, I'd end up in jail on in a box.
On a different note, I've put 11000km on these PR4GTs and it's time to replace the rear. I'm at the wear bars on the rear and the front is still holding up. I'll replace the pair though. They still hold the road like they're new. Have to play with the suspension set up a bit cause I still have a wallow in the big sweapers at anything above 4800 in sixth.
:chugbeer: :finger_fing11:
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Rubberdown, I agree that that trade does not make sense unless you like the ergos on the ZX14 the way it is.
I am going to research the BMW 800 ST. Look Acosta town and insure.
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http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/23/bmw-f800st-best-used-bikes/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/23/bmw-f800st-best-used-bikes/)
Cycleworld thinks they are a good S/T mount. I had customers who complained about engine vibes at highway+ speeds, that manifested themselves in the bars and pegs. The GT is an updated version of the ST. Ergos similar to the C14, but at a much lower weight. Kind of like the Versys or Ninja 650R, but with half again as much power
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http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/23/bmw-f800st-best-used-bikes/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/23/bmw-f800st-best-used-bikes/)
Cycleworld thinks they are a good S/T mount. I had customers who complained about engine vibes at highway+ speeds, that manifested themselves in the bars and pegs. The GT is an updated version of the ST. Ergos similar to the C14, but at a much lower weight. Kind of like the Versys or Ninja 650R, but with half again as much power
I just looked at what a comparably equipped F800GT would cost. DAMN! The Concours is a Bargain! It would have to truly get 20 mpg more and insurance would have to be half the Concours to even think about a change.
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Rubberdown, I agree that that trade does not make sense unless you like the ergos on the ZX14 the way it is.
I am going to research the BMW 800 ST. Look Acosta town and insure.
Nice!
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Rubberdown, I agree that that trade does not make sense unless you like the ergos on the ZX14 the way it is.
I am going to research the BMW 800 ST. Look Acosta town and insure.
Man, I am hating the virtual keyboard on my Nexus MeMo pad. One mistyped letter and it creates whatever it wants. Instead of "Look Acosta town" it was supposed to "Look at cost to own and insure" :o
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Insurance on the ZX14R( hyper bike) up here is just under 3X that of the Concours. Then there's the expendable's such as brakes(more hard stops and corner entries), tires(burn outs hard exits out of corners), tickets ( not going to see all the LEO's, extra points on the licence) to name a few.
Then there is also the ergonomics, like you mention, upgrades to make it more comfortable.
I'm good with what I have.
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Insurance on the ZX14R( hyper bike) up here is just under 3X that of the Concours. Then there's the expendable's such as brakes(more hard stops and corner entries), tires(burn outs hard exits out of corners), tickets ( not going to see all the LEO's, extra points on the licence) to name a few.
Then there is also the ergonomics, like you mention, upgrades to make it more comfortable.
I'm good with what I have.
Insurance on the concours is double the Voyager 1700. $300 a year for full coverage on the concours.
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Insurance on the concours is double the Voyager 1700. $300 a year for full coverage on the concours.
I pay $379, for full coverage here. That's with multi bike, and no citations, and top credit score, etc, discounts with Progressive. I am a suburb of Houston, and every thing is expensive around here, even in a different town and county...
FWIW, I went in to buy a Yamaha FZ09 last year, and I was quoted $1200 a year for insurance, that's why I now ride a Concours. 1/3 the cost and a damn sight better motorcycle in my garage. I still want an FJ09 S/T bike, but maybe next year. Man, that's one cute bike, isn't it........
(http://www.ridermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2015-Yamaha-FJ-09-action-right.jpg)
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Here in FL motorcycle insurance is not required, so its almost given away. 4 bikes for me (2 of them sportbikes, 1 KTM) and My Connie with full coverage is 204/yr
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Here in FL motorcycle insurance is not required, so its almost given away. 4 bikes for me (2 of them sportbikes, 1 KTM) and My Connie with full coverage is 204/yr
You are lucky. Just hope you don't live in Dade County. Here, it's insane. In my locale, four bikes, two touring, one sport, and one Harley, cost me $1200+ a year. I don't care. Lived in Texas 65 years, and will never leave, even if insurance is free, elsewhere. tp
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Here in FL motorcycle insurance is not required, so its almost given away. 4 bikes for me (2 of them sportbikes, 1 KTM) and My Connie with full coverage is 204/yr
That is unbelievable. What liability levels do you carry? The collision component is what makes the Concours more expensive than the rest of my bikes. I guess statistically, more Connies go down through rider error than cruisers.
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FWIW, I went in to buy a Yamaha FZ09 last year, and I was quoted $1200 a year for insurance, that's why I now ride a Concours. 1/3 the cost and a damn sight better motorcycle in my garage. I still want an FJ09 S/T bike, but maybe next year. Man, that's one cute bike, isn't it........
(http://www.ridermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2015-Yamaha-FJ-09-action-right.jpg)
I'll stick with the versys over that. Had a Yamaha triple in 1980.
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I wonder what the insurance difference there is between the C10 and C14, in particular here in Texas.
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I wonder what the insurance difference there is between the C10 and C14, in particular here in Texas.
Get some VIN numbers and call your agent.
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I just discovered last night that the short lived Honda NT700V was a driveshaft light sport touring bike. Honda was not on my radar in 2010. It is popular in Europe, but only made it one year in the US. There are new ones still available out there.
Typical Honda reliability and boring, but cheap to own and buy at today's prices. It was too expensive in 2010 which is why it probably didn't sell well.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411240113.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411240112.jpg)
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I was one of those few that was interested in one, until the price became known. It was ridiculously over priced. Now that I have both a C14 an RT, adding another touring style bike to the garage doesn't make much sense to me. Will still think more about the new FJ-09 though.
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I just discovered last night that the short lived Honda NT700V was a driveshaft light sport touring bike. Honda was not on my radar in 2010. It is popular in Europe, but only made it one year in the US. There are new ones still available out there.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411240113.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411240112.jpg)
This article (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/how-to/honda-nt700v-abs-doin-time) may have helped with it's demise.
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This article (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/how-to/honda-nt700v-abs-doin-time) may have helped with it's demise.
Couple that with the price and I can see why. Honda is now running $5000 off on their CTX 1300. I would like to test ride one.
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Personally, I would take my FXDC Dyna Harley, over anything Honda ever made as a cruiser, price be damned. Have owned Honda cruisers, and wouldn't own one ever again. May get flamed, but don't care. Your Voyager is as close to a Harley, as Japan has ever gotten, Just my opinion..... tp
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Personally, I would take my FXDC Dyna Harley, over anything Honda ever made as a cruiser, price be damned. Have owned Honda cruisers, and wouldn't own one ever again. May get flamed, but don't care. Your Voyager is as close to a Harley, as Japan has ever gotten, Just my opinion..... tp
I agree. I wouldn't buy a Honda V-Twin Cruiser.
The CTX 1300 is the same V4 that Honda puts in the ST1300, but it is retuned for low end torque. It is a cruiser riding position in a sporty chassis and drivetrain.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411244706.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411244707.jpg)
I am not really a Honda guy, but they are the only dealer closer than 40 miles away.
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The girl would have to come with the bike before I'd even consider that butt ugly eyesore of a motorcycle.
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Personally, I would take my FXDC Dyna Harley, over anything Honda ever made as a cruiser, price be damned. Have owned Honda cruisers, and wouldn't own one ever again. May get flamed, but don't care. Your Voyager is as close to a Harley, as Japan has ever gotten, Just my opinion..... tp
The best cruiser Honda ever made was the original Valkyrie, 1997-2003. I don't have mine anymore but if I were to go back to a cruiser, I'd get another Valk.
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The best cruiser Honda ever made was the original Valkyrie, 1997-2003. I don't have mine anymore but if I were to go back to a cruiser, I'd get another Valk.
A good friend has a '98, I believe it is, and loves it more than his other bikes. The new one is uglier than the CTX above. Wouldn't want one...
(http://powersports.honda.com/assets/flash/model/gallery/GoldWingValkyrie_2015_09.jpg)
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A good friend has a '98, I believe it is, and loves it more than his other bikes. The new one is uglier than the CTX above. Wouldn't want one...
Agreed! No comparison.
(http://powersports.honda.com/assets/flash/model/gallery/GoldWingValkyrie_2015_09.jpg)
(http://www.clubfrontier.org/forums/attachments/f114/27131d1274494753-sale-1998-honda-valkyrie-bike1.jpg)
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Agreed! No comparison.
(http://powersports.honda.com/assets/flash/model/gallery/GoldWingValkyrie_2015_09.jpg)
(http://www.clubfrontier.org/forums/attachments/f114/27131d1274494753-sale-1998-honda-valkyrie-bike1.jpg)
The new one looks creative and innovative. The old one looks, well, old. Looks like a 1910 wannabee to me.
I first thought the CTX was ugly, but I am now thinking it is unique and different. I prefer unique and different over having what everyone else has. I wouldn't even consider owning a Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger. I see a couple dozen of them every day.
Way too many Harleys out there as well. I wouldn't have the Voyager, but it is the only bike my wife will ride on.
The Mean Streak on the other hand is a unique cruiser with the ZX9 wheels and brakes. Sporty handling bike with different engine set up than the other Vulcans. Cam profiles, fast revving, etc.
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I have been rearranging my shop and removing anything that is not bike or tool related. I'm thinking I can get one or two more bikes in there now. ;D
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Whew.....that was close. You can change the subject line now. :)
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I first thought the CTX was ugly, but I am now thinking it is unique and different. I prefer unique and different over having what everyone else has.
I can appreciate that. Sat on a CTX700 once, and the pegs were just too stretched for me to be comfortable. Honda has moved in a direction different than other makers. Only time will tell if that move was a good one for them. For America, I wonder if a TRUE adventure bike, with a V4 of 11-1300cc's, would sell? Not the CTX engine, but the Magna/Sabre/Interceptor styled V4. Something like a Cross Tourer 1200cc, but with some weight cut off, to compete with the KTM, Duc's, Super Tenere's out there. FWIW, used to off road/enduro race Honda 4 stroke singles decades ago, and never had to do a thing to them but oil the chain. Example, the SL125 was indestructible, and could be ridden WFO, all the time. Great memories there.
(http://allroadendurotouring.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/HONDAVFR1200XCrossTourer2014TouringMotorcycle.jpg)
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The interceptor engine in an adventure bike. Mmm. I think it is called the Cross Runner 800.
https://www.google.com/search?q=honda+crossrunner+800&biw=1366&bih=620&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=NFNVVfGNFLHmsASRxYFg&ved=0CB0QsAQ (https://www.google.com/search?q=honda+crossrunner+800&biw=1366&bih=620&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=NFNVVfGNFLHmsASRxYFg&ved=0CB0QsAQ)
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/10/02/2015-honda-vfr800x-crossrunner-first-look-adventure-motorcycle-review-photos/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/10/02/2015-honda-vfr800x-crossrunner-first-look-adventure-motorcycle-review-photos/)
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Cross Runner 800 and Cross Tourer 1200 will probably never be brought over to us. Wish we could get something like a KTM 1290 Super Adventure, with Honda reliability and maintenance schedule. Thought I has something like that a few years ago with the Tiger 1050, but hated every day of its ownership. Can't explain why, but just did. Fill up the space and let us know what fit. tp
FWIW, if I had the spare dollars, either a new R1200R, or an S1000R would be the next in my garage.
Read that BMW is working on a new Scrambler model, to compete with the Triumph and new Ducs. Basically an R Nine T, with less expensive suspension and electronic gizmos, I read. Something kinda like this would be fun to ride.
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/bmw-r75.jpg)
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I am about to embark on a trip with my klx250s in the back of the truck. The plan is to base camp and ride. I will work my way to Big Sur. If that works well, I might be looking for an SM, or naked light weight street bike. I put the Guzzi in the back of the truck, but 450 lbs was too much to try and back down a single ramp. Plus, it squatted the rear of the truck down 2.5 inches. I would love it if shark kage made a ramp system for the small trucks.
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Have fun on the outing. Had a KLX250S, and after adding a Seat Concepts seat and wind screen, I used it on 300 mile days. Around 170 highway and the rest off pavement. Placing it in the bed of a truck is a good/smart move. If it had had 15 more HP, I would still own it. Just too many highway miles to get to the fun places around here. Again have fun, and think about those of us, of the working class... ;D
What would be great to ride is a KTM 650 Enduro R. Couple of draw backs, limited production and over $10K USD. One could own a KLR and a KLX for that money. Try this on a KLR or KLX, though . . . Power wheelie.
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201201/2012-ktm-690-enduro-r-9_600x0w.jpg)
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I've been admiring the Honda CB1000R lately.
Looks like it could travel some, if you added a small windscreen.
Carries about 5 gal fuel, upright ergos.
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/zfNuoHE8cpW4eWe6Ee.6Kg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NDgwO3E9OTU7dz02NDA-/http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/U/K/0/-/Honda-CB1000R.jpg (https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/zfNuoHE8cpW4eWe6Ee.6Kg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NDgwO3E9OTU7dz02NDA-/http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/U/K/0/-/Honda-CB1000R.jpg)
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I've been admiring the Honda CB1000R lately.
Looks like it could travel some, if you added a small windscreen.
Carries about 5 gal fuel, upright ergos.
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/zfNuoHE8cpW4eWe6Ee.6Kg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NDgwO3E9OTU7dz02NDA-/http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/U/K/0/-/Honda-CB1000R.jpg (https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/zfNuoHE8cpW4eWe6Ee.6Kg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NDgwO3E9OTU7dz02NDA-/http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/U/K/0/-/Honda-CB1000R.jpg)
Considered one while looking at the FZ-09. 485 lbs and 123HP VS 415 lbs and 115HP. The added weight would probably make it a better long road bike, but not so much a hooligan model. Saw a new one in Houston, a '14 model, for $8,999. Could probably get it at even a better price if tried. Really like the Ducati styled "GOLD" wheels.
(http://cdn-1.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/tmp59/vp3848844_1.jpg)
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this is the one http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/05/12/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-arrives-early-next-year/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/05/12/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-arrives-early-next-year/)
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this is the one http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/05/12/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-arrives-early-next-year/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/05/12/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-arrives-early-next-year/)
I will give that one a serious look
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To close out this thread, I traded my '12 Concours with 30,000 miles of great touring for a new leftover '14 Triumph Trophy. I now have 650 miles on the Trophy and know I am going to love touring on it. It takes 87 octane, and can go 275 miles before the low fuel light comes on, and took 5 gallons to top off. It carries 6.9 gallons of fuel, so it can go 350 miles before you get serious about stopping for fuel.
It is a better all round bike then the Concours when you factor in power, handling, and comfort.
Now, to get my wife on board and see if she can tolerate it enough for me to part with the Voyager.
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I am about to embark on a trip with my klx250s in the back of the truck. The plan is to base camp and ride. I will work my way to Big Sur. If that works well, I might be looking for an SM, or naked light weight street bike. I put the Guzzi in the back of the truck, but 450 lbs was too much to try and back down a single ramp. Plus, it squatted the rear of the truck down 2.5 inches. I would love it if shark kage made a ramp system for the small trucks.
I ride my bikes up and down the black widow ramp, it works in a small truck, and will handle the weight of a big hawg with a pirate.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/dealsgap/dealsgap2a/ramps.jpg)