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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: copdocpvd on April 22, 2014, 01:34:30 PM

Title: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on April 22, 2014, 01:34:30 PM
Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

I found some older threads on replacing the FOB, and called the dealership...current rate for a new active transponder is, gulp, $299 + programming.

From what the dealer said, I can get replacement emergency/passive FOBs for about $35 and programming, downside is I have to hold it against the ignition to start the bike each time (I can live with that until I have an extra $300 lying around).  I didn't know if since last year's threads anyone has a line of less expensive options?

Thanks in advance (and shaking my head in shame)

Pete
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: philipintexas on April 22, 2014, 01:51:02 PM
Been there, done that. Just be sure that no matter where you buy a replacement, individual or dealer, you must have the number that comes on the packaging of the FOB to be able to install it.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 22, 2014, 01:52:37 PM
Look online for discount parts dealers for Kawasaki parts. I believe they are closer to $200, best price although that does not include the key that goes with the fob, if you even care or want that. And they you would have to have the key cut to work on your bike- a few more dollars. Also be aware that a dealer might not be too happy about (read: they will not) programming the bike to recognize the fob you purchased somewhere else.

So if that price includes the key and the key cut for your bike, it is not all that bad really. Programming the bike usually seems to run around 1/2 hour of labor but you might want to ask beforehand to avoid the surprise.

If you do not want to buy the main fob (the RF or remote fob) right now, I would suggest getting the RFID or 'credit card' fob just so that you have two. The real problem comes in when you lose your LAST fob because that requires a new KiPass ECU and they are even more expensive.

Another possibility is a used KiPass ECU and fobs that go with it; they might be fairly cheap now. But be careful because there is no way to know for sure that the fobs work with the ECU until it is in the bike and the bike is programmed to recognize it.

Best of luck whatever you do.

Brian

Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

I found some older threads on replacing the FOB, and called the dealership...current rate for a new active transponder is, gulp, $299 + programming.

From what the dealer said, I can get replacement emergency/passive FOBs for about $35 and programming, downside is I have to hold it against the ignition to start the bike each time (I can live with that until I have an extra $300 lying around).  I didn't know if since last year's threads anyone has a line of less expensive options?

Thanks in advance (and shaking my head in shame)

Pete
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 22, 2014, 01:53:03 PM
You should have been given 2 fobs at purchase, one active fob, and one passive one....if you didn't, the dealer has the passive one, and it belongs to you...
you cannot get either and get it programmed, without having at least one fob....
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on April 22, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
I have the thin, "emergency"/spare (passive) FOB, have ordered two extras (at $35 each).

Will I have that nasty red light and "transponder missing" message every damn time I ride now, or will using the spare/passive FOB allow me to start and run the beast as normal?

Damn, I had my eye on so many better farkles for $300 worth of IRS refund this spring!
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on April 22, 2014, 02:19:48 PM
I saw this on a facebook page a few minutes ago:

Need to pass this on to others. Just bought a Concours 14 with one key fob. Now living in the middle of nowhere and the closest dealership is 60 miles away. I was looking for other options besides buying another fob and having it programmed. Answer is the local hardware store clones RFID keys and they were able to read the fob and clone a Ford truck key with the same ID. Tested it and it worked , which I hid on the bike for a spare. Cost $50.00 with no programming fee. FYI


I wonder if I could even do that if all I have is the passive spare FOB.  I'm guessing whatever "reader" is used is inside the store, which wouldn't work with the passive?

Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 22, 2014, 02:27:55 PM
No, the system knows when you start the bike with the RFID fob and will not generate any warnings about 'not "seeing" the transponder' afterwards.

Yet another option is to glue the fob to the front of the ignition switch housing and just take the key with you when you leave the bike. That is what someone did a long time ago to get around dealing with KiPass (although KiPass is still there and operating of course). The only downsides that I can think of is that you  cannot lock the forks and remove the key. Otherwise, that method does allow the bike to be used as a conventional bike via the key.... Just a thought.

Brian


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Will I have that nasty red light and "transponder missing" message every damn time I ride now, or will using the spare/passive FOB allow me to start and run the beast as normal?

Damn, I had my eye on so many better farkles for $300 worth of IRS refund this spring!
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 22, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
It might work. Some automotive systems use an RFID inductor in the key and that is quite similar to the RFID fob on a C-14. ??

Brian

I saw this on a facebook page a few minutes ago:

Need to pass this on to others. Just bought a Concours 14 with one key fob. Now living in the middle of nowhere and the closest dealership is 60 miles away. I was looking for other options besides buying another fob and having it programmed. Answer is the local hardware store clones RFID keys and they were able to read the fob and clone a Ford truck key with the same ID. Tested it and it worked , which I hid on the bike for a spare. Cost $50.00 with no programming fee. FYI


I wonder if I could even do that if all I have is the passive spare FOB.  I'm guessing whatever "reader" is used is inside the store, which wouldn't work with the passive?
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: RBX QB on April 22, 2014, 02:30:27 PM
I saw this on a facebook page a few minutes ago:

Need to pass this on to others. Just bought a Concours 14 with one key fob. Now living in the middle of nowhere and the closest dealership is 60 miles away. I was looking for other options besides buying another fob and having it programmed. Answer is the local hardware store clones RFID keys and they were able to read the fob and clone a Ford truck key with the same ID. Tested it and it worked , which I hid on the bike for a spare. Cost $50.00 with no programming fee. FYI


I wonder if I could even do that if all I have is the passive spare FOB.  I'm guessing whatever "reader" is used is inside the store, which wouldn't work with the passive?

Interesting... now we just need someone on this board to duplicate the results, and we would have a good backup plan.

Long live KiPass!
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: omcrider on April 22, 2014, 04:19:11 PM
Oh man that sucks, big fear here as I am not a fan of all this technology in the bike and I dread losing a FOB. I guess I should practice with the small credit card fob just so I know how it works if the time ever comes.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on April 22, 2014, 04:24:02 PM
Oh man that sucks, big fear here as I am not a fan of all this technology in the bike and I dread losing a FOB. I guess I should practice with the small credit card fob just so I know how it works if the time ever comes.

at 1/10th the price, might be a good idea
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: maxtog on April 22, 2014, 05:07:22 PM
Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

Follow my advice for the future, if you replace your active FOB.  Have a metal key made- $4.  Put THAT in your pocket (or the passive fob and key).  Put your active FOB in a zippered pocket in your jacket and NEVER TAKE IT OUT... it is highly unlikely you will not have your riding jacket with you or leave it behind  :)  Only issue is in the summer, if you want to leave the jacket locked in the bike... that is a no-no, since it would be in range of the ignition and allow someone to start the bike.  In those rare cases, I move the active FOB to my pocket.

As for the price... yep, it is a rip off.  But same ripoff for most cars now too.  They really should include TWO active fobs and one passive.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 22, 2014, 06:01:03 PM
Just curious but I have to ask- why was the fob on the bike's seat in the first place? Why was the fob outside of your pocket at all?

I am curious because I cannot think of any reason why the fob would be, for lack of a better word, 'loose'. ?? Put the fob in a pants pocket,  just like a wallet, transfer it from pair of pants to next pair of pants and all will be well.... forever.

Brian

Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

Pete
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 22, 2014, 06:04:57 PM
Yeah, I respectfully disagree for some of those very reasons you mention- leaving a jacket on the bike, switching jackets (I have three I use under different circumstances), etc.

Put the RF fob in a front pants pocket and leave it there.... forever. Be done with it. Sure, you will have it at weddings, outside late at night, baying at the moon, etc., etc. but who cares? It is not heavy, it is not obtrusive and it always works fantastic in a pants pocket 'cause it is close to the RF receiver, which is under the seat. Most men learn to carry a wallet and not lose it- treat the fob the same way and all will be well.

I frankly cannot think of a reason to move a fob around to different gear, wear it around one's neck on a lanyard or anything else.

Brian

Follow my advice for the future, if you replace your active FOB.  Have a metal key made- $4.  Put THAT in your pocket (or the passive fob and key).  Put your active FOB in a zippered pocket in your jacket and NEVER TAKE IT OUT... it is highly unlikely you will not have your riding jacket with you or leave it behind  :)  Only issue is in the summer, if you want to leave the jacket locked in the bike... that is a no-no, since it would be in range of the ignition and allow someone to start the bike.  In those rare cases, I move the active FOB to my pocket.


Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: ZG on April 22, 2014, 06:08:11 PM
Just curious but I have to ask- why was the fob on the bike's seat in the first place? Why was the fob outside of your pocket at all?

I am curious because I cannot think of any reason why the fob would be, for lack of a better word, 'loose'. ?? Put the fob in a pants pocket,  just like a wallet, transfer it from pair of pants to next pair of pants and all will be well.... forever.

Brian


 :goodpost:


+1...

Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: clogan on April 22, 2014, 06:15:41 PM
If any of you guys long for the good old days of "key-operated" motorcycles, do this:

Put your active fob in the glove box, AND LEAVE IT THERE, for cryin out loud. That way, it never gets lost. If you really get worried about security when you park, take the stove knob key with you. Then the bike "works" just like an old fashioned key-operated bike. If you lose the stove knob key, get another one cut from the key in your passive fob for a couple of bucks. Just like the good old days!

Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: gPink on April 22, 2014, 06:36:29 PM
...but...but the keyhole might get wet causing the ignition to malfunction when the spring fails to operate properly leaving you stranded til you find the proper K-Rock with which to initiate the start sequence which doesn't work do to a Kipass issue.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on April 22, 2014, 07:11:17 PM
Just curious but I have to ask- why was the fob on the bike's seat in the first place? Why was the fob outside of your pocket at all?

I am curious because I cannot think of any reason why the fob would be, for lack of a better word, 'loose'. ?? Put the fob in a pants pocket,  just like a wallet, transfer it from pair of pants to next pair of pants and all will be well.... forever.

Brian


I installed a passenger backrest, footpeg lowers and handlebar risers this weekend, it was about 120 degrees in my garage, so I was in shorts, and needed to turn the ignition to "on" multiple times as I adjusted the brake switch.

Either way it's a pain in the ass, I have a mesh jacket that I wear 80% of the time, a goretex riding jacket for possible rain and if it's too cold and a couple leather jackets for when it's too cold for the mesh.  we can have 40's here one day and 90's the next, so the idea of "put it in your jacket pocket and never take it out" doesn't quite work.

I just came off 12 years of riding motorcycles with a regular key, it was an honest goof.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 22, 2014, 07:27:29 PM
I think we miss-communicated there Jeff: I was not criticizing you or saying you did anything wrong. I am honestly trying to understand how the whole fob thing goes wrong. So if you took my tone as accusatory, please understand that was not and is not my intention.

By the way, I did not say put it in your jacket pocket and forget it- I too use different jackets and that would not work well for me either. I put the fob in my pants pocket. Again, exactly the same way most males manage a wallet.

And I too occasionally work on the bike in shorts and again, I put the fob in my shorts pocket when doing so. As I do not ride in shorts (ever- it would scare too many people), if I forget the fob in my shorts the bike simply would not start the next time I tried to use it.

Brian


I installed a passenger backrest, footpeg lowers and handlebar risers this weekend, it was about 120 degrees in my garage, so I was in shorts, and needed to turn the ignition to "on" multiple times as I adjusted the brake switch.

Either way it's a pain in the ass, I have a mesh jacket that I wear 80% of the time, a goretex riding jacket for possible rain and if it's too cold and a couple leather jackets for when it's too cold for the mesh.  we can have 40's here one day and 90's the next, so the idea of "put it in your jacket pocket and never take it out" doesn't quite work.

I just came off 12 years of riding motorcycles with a regular key, it was an honest goof.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: freebird6 on April 22, 2014, 10:06:33 PM
If any of you guys long for the good old days of "key-operated" motorcycles, do this:

Put your active fob in the glove box, AND LEAVE IT THERE, for cryin out loud. That way, it never gets lost. If you really get worried about security when you park, take the stove knob key with you. Then the bike "works" just like an old fashioned key-operated bike. If you lose the stove knob key, get another one cut from the key in your passive fob for a couple of bucks. Just like the good old days!

Is that what you do? I saw a Connie at a BMW dealer where they left the fob in the glove box. I asked the sales guy about that security wise as they rolled it out by the road every day and left it for folks to look at. Seemed to me that with it in the glove box anyone in the know could jump on it and ride. He said no problem as not many folks know bout the active fob situation.....but he asked me how often I had to change the batts in my fob  as they had gone through a couple in just the few months they had it in on trade.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: maxtog on April 22, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
By the way, I did not say put it in your jacket pocket and forget it- I too use different jackets and that would not work well for me either.  I put the fob in my pants pocket.

I will point out in my case that I have a convertible jacket.  Mesh, outer cover, inner liner.... so I only have a single jacket that serves all purposes with a nice zippered pocket in the "permanent" part.   Since I usually take the jacket with me anywhere, leaving it in the jacket usually (but not always) works.  For me this is better than pants pocket, because there is less chance that it will get lost by coming out when taking out other keys, change, etc (I never use rear pockets, I hate sitting on things... and have only one front pocket available, because the other is dedicated and can't be used for anything else).

Of course this is not going to work for everyone... my point is just like yours- make it part of your gear and don't use it for the metal key in it (which forces you to take it out every time you open the bags or fuel cover).
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: freebird6 on April 22, 2014, 10:14:52 PM
I am a front left pants pocket guy. My Olympia pants have a zip pocket on the left, that is the only place I leave my fob. That is the only thing in there as I use the Cargo pockets for everything else. I use 3 or 4 different jackets and I tend to leave them in the bags or hanging on the handlebars when walking around. Don't go many places without my pants.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: maxtog on April 22, 2014, 10:15:28 PM
Is that what you do? I saw a Connie at a BMW dealer where they left the fob in the glove box. I asked the sales guy about that security wise as they rolled it out by the road every day and left it for folks to look at. Seemed to me that with it in the glove box anyone in the know could jump on it and ride. He said no problem as not many folks know bout the active fob situation.....

That is what we call "security by obscurity" :)

The C14's ignition setup is unique and the bikes are rare enough that 99.9% of people out there (or more) would have no idea how to start the bike.  In Clogan's example- as long as you removed the metal key from the active fob, and take the stove key with you, that would suffice the most typical security.  Of course, the stove key is huge.... I wouldn't want THAT sucker in my pocket!!  (What a strange shape)  So if doing that, I would recommend keeping the stove key at home and just using the flat/metal key for the ignition.

Kind of reminds me of the systems for remote starters where they have to key an RFID key and hide it in the dashboard to deactivate that new fancy security stuff so the cheesy remote starter control will work. :)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: MGvaleri on April 22, 2014, 10:32:56 PM
Fob without battery backup.


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Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: martin_14 on April 23, 2014, 05:20:14 AM
It might work. Some automotive systems use an RFID inductor in the key and that is quite similar to the RFID fob on a C-14. ??

Brian

Mitsubishi?  ;)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: Conrad on April 23, 2014, 05:24:55 AM
Yeah, I respectfully disagree for some of those very reasons you mention- leaving a jacket on the bike, switching jackets (I have three I use under different circumstances), etc.

Put the RF fob in a front pants pocket and leave it there.... forever. Be done with it. Sure, you will have it at weddings, outside late at night, baying at the moon, etc., etc. but who cares? It is not heavy, it is not obtrusive and it always works fantastic in a pants pocket 'cause it is close to the RF receiver, which is under the seat. Most men learn to carry a wallet and not lose it- treat the fob the same way and all will be well.

I frankly cannot think of a reason to move a fob around to different gear, wear it around one's neck on a lanyard or anything else.

Brian

But, but, but Brian! I have two pairs of pants, what ever shall I do?
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 23, 2014, 06:26:15 AM
C'mon Conrad, how hard can it be? Just keep everything like it is until 1 Jan 2015 when you change to the other pants and then swap fobs too. Sheesh!

Brian

But, but, but Brian! I have two pairs of pants, what ever shall I do?
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on April 23, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
Oh, no worries!  I didnt' take it that way.  Believe me, no one could have made me feel more stupid than I felt halfway through a GREAT twisty ride when I peeked down and saw "transmitter missing" and realized what had happened. 




I think we miss-communicated there Jeff: I was not criticizing you or saying you did anything wrong. I am honestly trying to understand how the whole fob thing goes wrong. So if you took my tone as accusatory, please understand that was not and is not my intention.

By the way, I did not say put it in your jacket pocket and forget it- I too use different jackets and that would not work well for me either. I put the fob in my pants pocket. Again, exactly the same way most males manage a wallet.

And I too occasionally work on the bike in shorts and again, I put the fob in my shorts pocket when doing so. As I do not ride in shorts (ever- it would scare too many people), if I forget the fob in my shorts the bike simply would not start the next time I tried to use it.

Brian
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 23, 2014, 09:26:08 AM
See- exactly my point! I was (am) not trying to make you feel stupid or in any way magnify anything you did. Honestly. I am really trying to understand how / why the fob ended up on the seat in the first place so that maybe in the future, we can collectively gain knowledge about how to go about things, or avoid doing things, that have resulted in problems in the past.

People do things in different ways and usually we do not see at least some of the other ways a thing can be done. For example, some people attach a KiPass fob to a lanyard and hang it around their neck while riding. That would not have occurred to me and it is not a bad way to go I think.

So what I am trying to do is gather any information about the way people have trouble with fobs and / or KiPass so I can develop have active suggestions about what not to do.

As far as beating yourself up- we all 'step in it' now and then and losing a fob doesn't even make the top 10 IMO. No need to feel stupid; you made a mistake and will more than pay for it financially so no need to add emotional weight to that.

KiPass is coming up on seven years old but is still quite new to a lot of people buying their first C-14. So it is an on- going learning curve for the new folks. I am just trying to gain any information I can to suggest what I hope to be the best, easiest way for people in general but especially the people new to C-14's to have the fewest problems (hopefully none) and the greatest confidence in the system.

Brian

Oh, no worries!  I didnt' take it that way.  Believe me, no one could have made me feel more stupid than I felt halfway through a GREAT twisty ride when I peeked down and saw "transmitter missing" and realized what had happened.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on April 23, 2014, 09:31:28 AM
how would you attach a full-sized FOB to a lanyard?  If I remember correctly, mine didn't have a hole or slot or anything that you could attach to a split-ring/key ring.  (I think I might follow that advice on my spare FOB, that one has a hole in it for a keyring)

Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 23, 2014, 09:56:59 AM
There is a very small slot (easy boys!) in a full- sized fob. It is just large enough to take a small tie- wrap or a small steel keyring. Of course you could use something like thin aircraft cable too- but you would have to conjure up a way to connect it to itself (brazing would work well). Then attach the small [ring, tie- wrap, whatever] to a larger ring on the lanyard.

Not my preferred method but I think it is a good method for a couple of reasons: 1) it is NOT likely to fall off or break in use (given a heavy lanyard) once put on, and you cannot start the bike without it. 2) it is not something you would take off while on a ride because it is not in the way, like a fob might be if you needed something in the same pocket as the fob. 3) it cannot 'fall' off without something breaking like a fob can fall out of a pocket. It also has the added advantage of allowing you to carry a few other small, light things you would only need for riding- a flashlight perhaps, a credit card for buying fuel and things like that.

If you go to a COG event, you will see quite a few people carry their fobs that way by the way.

Brian

how would you attach a full-sized FOB to a lanyard?  If I remember correctly, mine didn't have a hole or slot or anything that you could attach to a split-ring/key ring.  (I think I might follow that advice on my spare FOB, that one has a hole in it for a keyring)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: RBX QB on April 23, 2014, 10:17:41 AM
There is a very small slot (easy boys!) in a full- sized fob. It is just large enough to take a small tie- wrap or a small steel keyring. Of course you could use something like thin aircraft cable too- but you would have to conjure up a way to connect it to itself (brazing would work well). Then attach the small [ring, tie- wrap, whatever] to a larger ring on the lanyard.
...

That small loop is not drastically different from the small ones on small digital cameras... where you loop the lanyard thru itself to secure it to the camera. Not ideal for a keyring situation, but may afford an opportunity for someone smart to come up with a clever idea (likely not me). I did something similar... but used a zip tie thru the hole to hold a larger metal keyring (but the whole thing stays in my riding jacket for everything but garage maintenance).
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 23, 2014, 10:25:07 AM
Yep, that would work. Just be careful that whatever is attached to the fob is virtually indestructible because if the lanyard cord breaks, well then all this effort NOT to lose or misplace a fob goes out the window (actually it will slide down your leg and roll onto the highway but that is not important.....  :D ).

Perhaps a piece of electrical tape around the entire fob would help to anchor the lanyard? With a touch of Super glue on the end, the tap won't unravel and should just about last forever. I would NOT anchor the fob using tape but it would be a great 'helper' in addition to the small lanyard loop through the fob's slot (easy boys!).

Brian

That small loop is not drastically different from the small ones on small digital cameras... where you loop the lanyard thru itself to secure it to the camera. Not ideal for a keyring situation, but may afford an opportunity for someone smart to come up with a clever idea (likely not me). I did something similar... but used a zip tie thru the hole to hold a larger metal keyring (but the whole thing stays in my riding jacket for everything but garage maintenance).
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 23, 2014, 10:27:47 AM
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Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: RBX QB on April 23, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u672/MAN_OF_BLUES/old%201/COG%20TECHNICAL%20PHOTOS/2948733680015463693dunFoZ_ph.jpg) (http://s1327.photobucket.com/user/MAN_OF_BLUES/media/old%201/COG%20TECHNICAL%20PHOTOS/2948733680015463693dunFoZ_ph.jpg.html)

That looks familiar... tho my zip is black... but, green would compliment ZGs bike nicely!
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: wally_games on April 23, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Just glue the thing to the back of your helmet!! Or, on the right side so that it balances your helmet with your Bluetooth device.

Actually, I just kept the FOB next to my helmet and stuck it in my front pants pocket when I went for a ride, or to the garage to work on the bike.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: clogan on April 23, 2014, 05:01:45 PM
Is that what you do? I saw a Connie at a BMW dealer where they left the fob in the glove box. I asked the sales guy about that security wise as they rolled it out by the road every day and left it for folks to look at. Seemed to me that with it in the glove box anyone in the know could jump on it and ride. He said no problem as not many folks know bout the active fob situation.....but he asked me how often I had to change the batts in my fob  as they had gone through a couple in just the few months they had it in on trade.

Actually, that IS what I do...except that I never remove the stove knob key, EVER. On the rare occaisions that I am worried about security, I remove the fob from the glove box and take it with me. But honestly, I cannot remember the last time I did that. I ride almost every day, and the fob stays in the glove box, and the stove knob key stays in the ignition. I change my fob battery once a year,  but have never had a problem. My car fob, on the other hand, requires a more frequent battery change.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: ZG on April 23, 2014, 05:08:24 PM
Actually, that IS what I do...except that I never remove the stove knob key, EVER. On the rare occaisions that I am worried about security, I remove the fob from the glove box and take it with me. But honestly, I cannot remember the last time I did that. I ride almost every day, and the fob stays in the glove box, and the stove knob key stays in the ignition. I change my fob battery once a year,  but have never had a problem.


 :o
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: Conrad on April 24, 2014, 05:21:55 AM
C'mon Conrad, how hard can it be? Just keep everything like it is until 1 Jan 2015 when you change to the other pants and then swap fobs too. Sheesh!

Brian

Thank goodness you're here Brian! I don't know what I would have done without your advice. I guess I'll change the batteries when I change pants.    ;)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: gPink on April 24, 2014, 05:51:50 AM
You could duct tape this to you FOB....
http://www.wallettrackr.com/ (http://www.wallettrackr.com/)

http://youtu.be/ElJ7k5DuH5Y (http://youtu.be/ElJ7k5DuH5Y)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on April 24, 2014, 06:30:07 AM
Well, you should be able to go two pants changes before needing batteries.

We should chat and work out a whole schedule for you....

 :rotflmao:

Brian

Thank goodness you're here Brian! I don't know what I would have done without your advice. I guess I'll change the batteries when I change pants.    ;)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: catsfive on May 28, 2014, 09:56:26 PM
Guys, after reading this thread, this is what I did:

(https://i.imgur.com/BHiXb9t.jpg)

For me, keepgin the FOB is about keeping it always in mind and in play. It's the way my brain works. So what I did was I threaded a little cable from a coffee thermos I had, then connected one of thsoe keychains that can disconnect for a different key that I might want to separate from the FOB (like when my GF takes the car). Just my two cents.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: stevewfl on May 28, 2014, 10:08:53 PM
I just put mine in my pocket and roll with it.  But due to its mad pow-ah, I do put it down to rest each night on a fresh bed of roses (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif)

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/LR/DSC_0007-1.jpg)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 29, 2014, 03:59:26 AM
Not a bad idea, Steve, treating the fob with the utmost of respect.  I have mine on a chain that's attached to one of my belt loops and it stays in my front pocket.  I don't leave home without it.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: gPink on May 29, 2014, 04:34:17 AM
Here's my solution.....
http://youtu.be/sKVj2V4-yPE (http://youtu.be/sKVj2V4-yPE)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 29, 2014, 04:45:31 AM
That involves pain, of which I don't subscribe to.   :yikes:
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: Conrad on May 29, 2014, 06:59:47 AM
Tell me young man, just how long have you had this fear of loosing your fob?

(http://www.zggtr.org/MGalleryItem.php?id=368)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: mvjr1904 on May 29, 2014, 09:47:26 AM
Did Kawasaki invent a mini FOB for the C14?
Or is gPink going to implant his OEM FOB and where?   OOCH!!
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: coastalcop on February 15, 2016, 10:53:29 AM


 Sorry about the Thread resurrection, but I figured another success story was in order.

Took my passive fob to the ACE hardware where they had the Itool  scanning device.

First I explained what I wanted and they looked at me like I was crazy (we cant cut a ford key for a Kawasaki).   after explaining it a couple more times they agreed to put the fob on the detector.

  It recognized the fob right away and asked for information.   I told them to list it as a 2004 ford f-150.

I tool gave them a couple of choices and I got a rather expensive Ford key.    Ford the Ford key in the detector/writer device and a minute later its done.

Took it back to the house (where my 2011 connie is) left both the active and passive factory fobs in the house and proceeded to the garage with my new "Ford" key.

Placed it up against the KIPASS detector and.........SUCCESS.   It DOES work, allowed me to turn key and start the bike.

If they have the red itool device to detect/write RFID and a key to a FORD f-150, they CAN clone the rfid, you just may have to walk them through it.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 15, 2016, 11:17:22 AM
 :thumbs: :goodpost:
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: SofaKingFast on February 15, 2016, 11:31:09 AM
Follow my advice for the future, if you replace your active FOB.  Have a metal key made- $4.  Put THAT in your pocket (or the passive fob and key).  Put your active FOB in a zippered pocket in your jacket and NEVER TAKE IT OUT... it is highly unlikely you will not have your riding jacket with you or leave it behind  :)  Only issue is in the summer, if you want to leave the jacket locked in the bike... that is a no-no, since it would be in range of the ignition and allow someone to start the bike.  In those rare cases, I move the active FOB to my pocket.

As for the price... yep, it is a rip off.  But same ripoff for most cars now too.  They really should include TWO active fobs and one passive.
:goodpost:
I don't ever want to worry about losing a key or FOB.  When I purchased my C14, I got an extra FOB and had 3 extra keys made.  I always leave one FOB and key at home. I carry the FOB in my zippered jacket pocket and never remove it.  I use one copied key to open the cases and fuel tank.  If I'm on a longer trip, I bring the passive FOB and extra key as backups.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: clogan on February 15, 2016, 12:24:17 PM
Any ideas for best place to hide a spare passive fob on a C-14?

Theoretically speaking, of course.  :-X
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: gPink on February 15, 2016, 12:36:06 PM
toolbox.....carry a spare key
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on February 15, 2016, 01:52:35 PM
Interesting.

If I may ask, how much was the Ford key? If it was less than around $50, that is not a bad price because the actual Kawasaki passive (credit card) fob is around $35 but then you have to add programming, which is usually about 1/2 of the dealer's tech. rate. So if the Ford key, programmed, was less than even $60, it is not a bad buy and you can always cut the actual key off of the key (the metal stud itself (Easy Boys!)) as the actual part you are after is in the key's handle.

Brian


 Sorry about the Thread resurrection, but I figured another success story was in order.

Took my passive fob to the ACE hardware where they had the Itool  scanning device.

First I explained what I wanted and they looked at me like I was crazy (we cant cut a ford key for a Kawasaki).   after explaining it a couple more times they agreed to put the fob on the detector.

  It recognized the fob right away and asked for information.   I told them to list it as a 2004 ford f-150.

I tool gave them a couple of choices and I got a rather expensive Ford key.    Ford the Ford key in the detector/writer device and a minute later its done.

Took it back to the house (where my 2011 connie is) left both the active and passive factory fobs in the house and proceeded to the garage with my new "Ford" key.

Placed it up against the KIPASS detector and.........SUCCESS.   It DOES work, allowed me to turn key and start the bike.

If they have the red itool device to detect/write RFID and a key to a FORD f-150, they CAN clone the rfid, you just may have to walk them through it.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: maxtog on February 15, 2016, 03:32:02 PM
Sorry about the Thread resurrection

It is usually much better to post to an existing thread instead of creating numerous duplicates. So there is nothing to be sorry for!

Good info
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on February 16, 2016, 11:09:22 AM
The dude who messed up has NOTHING on me. I was leaving for a 3k mile plus trip.  I use the key in the fob to open the side bags.  I left the fob in the open side bag, got on the bike and rode 5 miles.  Fob laying in open shell case.   I lost nothing.  Personal record for both stupidity and luck in the exact same moment.  I did pee down my leg when I saw what I had done.

So that's my problem, I hate using the stove knob key because it's so f'in hard to pull out with gloves and I'm paranoid about dropping it on the tank, so I end up taking the fob out of my pocket, which opens the door to all kinds of evil.

Losing the fob is a nightmare.  I did see something in the manual that said "NEVER PUT YOUR FOB in the glovebox", I think they were concerned about theft.  My red lights go  off frequently in the morning when I am riding to work and it says "Can't find fob" and it's IN MY F'IN POCKET.  What a turd of a system.  It's an answer to a problem that didn't exist, IMO.

I may do the Ford key thing, stick it under the seat and have a key made for the bags. 
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 16, 2016, 11:51:36 AM
Hmmm, I carry mine in my pocket all the time and never had it go looking.  You might want to try replacing the fob battery if you haven't already done so.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on February 16, 2016, 01:21:15 PM
That's the first thing I did.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 16, 2016, 02:07:39 PM
Take the tin foil out of your pocket.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on February 16, 2016, 02:09:58 PM
I did a long time ago. I needed it all for my hat.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: copdocpvd on February 16, 2016, 02:36:54 PM
I have a passive fob and spare key combo that I zip-tied just out of direct vision under the fairing area under the handlebars.  Having a spare in the glovebox, or in a saddlebag, or even in a jacket still seemed too risky (what if you lose your spare key that you "always keep in your jacket?"  What if you're at a restaurant and go to the bathroom and someone rips off your jacket?).  I figure no matter what happens, I can always pull out a pocketknife, cut the zip-ties, and be good to go.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 16, 2016, 02:37:03 PM
I can certainly understand that.  Right or left pocket?  I keep mine in my right.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: maxtog on February 16, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
I keep the active fob "permanently" in my riding jacket zippered pocket.  It is not like I am going to lose or misplace my jacket.  Works great.  About the only time I ever have to take it out of that pocket is if I am riding somewhere where I am going to leave the bike AND it is hot AND I want to leave the jacket at the bike instead of taking it with me  (in the bag or locked to the helmet lock).  And that is pretty rare.
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on February 16, 2016, 04:31:05 PM
I keep it in a pants pocket- I virtually never leave the house without pants on. I also have never left my pants in a restaurant or rest- room where they are likely to be stolen..... at least so far in this life.

(Extra Easy Boys!)

Brian
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: Deziner on February 16, 2016, 06:56:30 PM
Brian, are you trying to tell this guy to keep it in his pants? I suppose it would be easier than keeping it in someone else's pants. I'm just sayin'.....
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: B.D.F. on February 16, 2016, 08:32:19 PM
Oh no, I would never tell  anyone else what to do with, keep in, or anything else to do with his / her pants. A very private matter IMO. I am merely stating that I have had great success with some of the stuff I carry around in my own pants, and it appears that others have had trouble with the identical object when <not> carried in his / her pants.

Brian

Brian, are you trying to tell this guy to keep it in his pants? I suppose it would be easier than keeping it in someone else's pants. I'm just sayin'.....
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: just gone on February 16, 2016, 10:34:26 PM
I am merely stating that I have had great success with some of the stuff I carry around in my own pants,
Brian

I wish Andrea was here to shine the light of reality on your boastful ways.    ::) :P
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: fb129 on October 07, 2017, 01:57:53 PM
Two local ACE Hardware stores couldn't read my FOB . Has anybody has any success with this method
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 08, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
Trying to clone it?
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: just gone on October 08, 2017, 10:42:26 AM
Two local ACE Hardware stores couldn't read my FOB . Has anybody has any success with this method

Did they have the "red itool device"?

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18252.msg258040#msg258040 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18252.msg258040#msg258040)
Title: Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
Post by: freebird6 on October 14, 2017, 06:26:49 PM
Yeah, I respectfully disagree for some of those very reasons you mention- leaving a jacket on the bike, switching jackets (I have three I use under different circumstances), etc.

Put the RF fob in a front pants pocket and leave it there.... forever. Be done with it. Sure, you will have it at weddings, outside late at night, baying at the moon, etc., etc. but who cares? It is not heavy, it is not obtrusive and it always works fantastic in a pants pocket 'cause it is close to the RF receiver, which is under the seat. Most men learn to carry a wallet and not lose it- treat the fob the same way and all will be well.

I frankly cannot think of a reason to move a fob around to different gear, wear it around one's neck on a lanyard or anything else.

Brian

I am with you Brian. I had a left front zipper pocket built into my Motoport for my FOB to live in.... Only take it out when I wash it. Don't go many places on the bike without my Pants. A couple times I stowed them in the side Case and remembered to put it in the pants I wore under the Motoport to walk around. I occassionally use the FOB on the lanyard if I am going out to move the bike from up by the house down to it's place in the back barn and don't get geared up.