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The C10, aka Kawasaki Concours - The Original => Accessories and Modifications - C10 => Topic started by: gpzrocker on March 19, 2012, 06:10:56 PM
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Greg has 600 miles, I have 20: time to look at what the deal is.
For me, I am coming off of Avon radials. Loved those tires. That is for reference. I do have pics of the tires I have around, I'll post them later if they are worth looking at. Also I am from an area that finds Deals Gap overcrowded and not worth the two hours to go each way. I have roads like that in my back yard.
Rear: Worn Dunlop 700 series, worn Avon, and new Shinko Journey. My calibrated eye puts the Shinko at an inch taller, the tire must be two inches taller than the 011 Verge. wife agrees with me: looks funny that way.
Front: not that much different, but the Shinko seems to be more round.
Install on rim: easy. My first personal install, and went great.
Balance: again my first time, on a HF balancer. Once I figured it out, I put 1/2 ounce on the front and 1 3/4 on the back.
Install on bike: front uneventful, rear it had to happen: I have a lot less of a rear fender. Went a lot smoother then too. I think it looks funny, but the tire changing is much easier.
Test ride: From my memory, Avons are great out of the box. Shinkos: not so much.
take it down the road: don't hear that Avon "tick-tick" of the pea gravel picked up. Good. First turn is a 90 degree left, and things are scary: feels like the rear is turning in faster than the front, almost like I have all wheel steering. I feel like the bike is falling off a cliff when I turn. This continues for the first 14 miles, probably twice that many curves, until I get home and check everything out. I did stop in the middle and visual everything. Pressures right, torques right, nothing moving around: call my expert bud. He agrees with me that the tires just have a different "feel" than the Avons, and I am not sure I like it. The front is not as peaked as the Avons, and the rear is an inch taller: now I know what they mean by "quick turn in". I think. I take it out to softball practice, yikes. On the way back I start to go with the flow and stop fighting the feel, and it is working better. So the jury is out, I have heard that the front 011 is much more "sporty" of a tire.
I did look at the tires, and I am using almost all of it, as much of it as I did with the Avons. That is only after only 20 miles, so I am wondering if I am just noticing the height difference. Probably. Or maybe that mold stuff is freaking me out. So....
By next week I will have over 200 miles on it, visiting BRP, Diamondback, Devils Whip, Lake Lure and Hot Springs. If it doesn't pitch me over the side somewhere, I will have decided if I have made a good decision. Right now, I am not so sure.
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GPZ, in another 20 miles you will not even notice it. The heavier tire has more centrifical throw weight which is what causes the difference in the feel. Once you master the feel you will be turning corners just fine. Heck I took Pilot GT's (bias ply) up and down the Dragon and caught a sportbike going uphill.
Just saw another new Shinko radial tire on Comp/Acc. Its a 757 and it is also available in the wing size.
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OK...
We hit 80 deg. here in central Ohio today, the road surface was clean from the rains the other day and stayed clean through today. I got out around 5 pm and hit some of the more agressive tarmacks near my home. One curve in particular is just awesome. It starts out as a wide sweeper and closes out with a hard left then right. I did it from both directions multiple times, and the rear Journey did wonderful. I have a full tank, 50 lbs, in the rear shock, and 8k on the front Avon Roadrider.
The Journey did just great, stuck the road and rolled over and back easily.
I really like this tire, and I will recommend it.
Hope this input helps the output.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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GPZ, in another 20 miles you will not even notice it. The heavier tire has more centrifical throw weight which is what causes the difference in the feel. Once you master the feel you will be turning corners just fine. Heck I took Pilot GT's (bias ply) up and down the Dragon and caught a sportbike going uphill.
Just saw another new Shinko radial tire on Comp/Acc. Its a 757 and it is also available in the wing size.
Interesting they call it a 757...I thought those had been unavailable for about a year...and I don't see the SE890 Journey either...I wonder if they're confused...? :-\
I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a new SE890 before the Wildflower Rally...we'll see how it works with a 110-18 PR3 on the front...gonna get the TPMS setup too...
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It said on their website that the 757 was a new tire.
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It said on their website that the 757 was a new tire.
That's why I think they might be confused...I've had a 757 on my bike for a year...the SE890 Journey has only been available for a couple of months...the progression of Shinko Gold Wing radials started with the 747...then came the 757...next, the SE790 Journey was listed in print...but, I don't think any were ever released to the public...and, now we have the SE890 Journey...
I wonder if they will say it's a misprint if they get a call about it...seems to be about the same pricing as the SE890...
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Thanks guys!
Probably going to go with the SE890 and PR3....heard nothing but good things about the PR3, and now so far this thread seems pretty positive.
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I am interested in this tire as a rear replacement when I need it. Right now I am working on getting my seat height and screen height correct for me. My thinking is I would like to use a goldwing size tire on the rear and standard size on the front. Currently have mismatched standard size radials on bike.(dunlop 220 on front and azaro on rear) The only comment I can make about the combination is I haven't killed myself in a couple of thousand miles. I was hopeing some of you that are using this new tire could comment on how this Over size-regular size combination affects stand over height and line of vision over the wind shield. As you evaluate the tire if you could think about this and comment on it, those comments would be helpful to me now and maybe others in the future.
Really enjoy reading you guys comments and review-thanks. Hopefully if we all work together we can all get a tire combination that does the job we each want from the limited c10 tires available.
I just want to ride my "motorsikel."
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Hey Louie, like you I love my AVON's but when I went with 17 inches front and rear, I ended you giving the Sginko Raven's a shot. Like I said in my other post about them, there is nothing the Shinko's can't do the the ANON can. So far I have a couple thousand miles on them and love them.
"..... soooo what's up about this "devils whip" you been holding out on me? ;)
Cheers
Ron
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SoyJim: one thing I did not notice was the ride height (tiptoeing or such) or the screen height: i think it is close to standard.
Jim: I figured as much, but DANG! If I wasn't on hyper alert I would have still been picking myself up.
The 757 is last model, if you notice it says "unavailable". BikeBandit had mine, was named wrong as a 790 IIRC.
Ron" 15 minutes from the hotel! You stayed @ Little Switzerland IIRC, you might have missed NC80, or did you?
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Just got mine on. So far so good.
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Ok, so yesterday was flogging day, and in a nutshell I will say that the 890 is a decent tire for the masses. For reference, I am coming off of 5K on the Avon radials, and am riding the same way that I always do, on the same roads that I usually ride. Nothing has changed on the bike other than the tires. I ride aggressive- ish, don't scrape the pegs much but do practice body positioning when I am in a hurry.
Always when these tires are cold I have to heighten my senses. They feel odd every time I come out of the driveway and do my first 3 or 4 turns ( within 1/2 mile). I only mention this that my Avons did not do this ever, 20 degree weather and worn out included. Stop to eat, same thing. I rate the 890 as "poor" on cold tire performance, based on Avons, Dunlops, and my previous bias ply experience. Nothing gave me this much insecurity.
It rode in rain well. I never could get it to feel comfortable on the interstate, always wanted to drift out to the edge, but nothing unmanageable. Never had that problem with the Avons. (Note: I may have had my bags packed lopsided, so I need to check this out further, maybe without the bags.) Through normal curves (those of you that know Lake Lure, 35MPH of all types of turns from sweepers to switchbacks) the tires were how they are supposed to be: invisible. I concerned myself with lines and looking through the curves. So for straight line I have to say "ok", for normal curve work: "very good to excellent".
Then came Hickory Nut Gorge. Nobody in front of me, I dug in fairly good. This is mostly a switchback road, you never see the end of the curve until you get to it unless you look down the hill before you hit the curve (good way to see if anything is coming). They handled respectable, I carried very good corner speed and only felt the tire slip once. I did notice that I was finishing up a few inches closer to the white line than I was used too. I was never in danger though, as i said before I don't ride that hard. So for more aggressive riding, I give them a surprisingly "very good". They were on par with the Avons, minus the slip, which may have been road ick inspired. To be truthful, nothing I ran through ever effected the Avons.
Ah, I almost forgot: the emergency stop. I did have rear tire chatter. Another thing that I have not felt since my bias days. It did not cause me a problem, but I did hear it, only way I knew it was happening. I'll rate this as "OK" as it didn't affect outcome but doesn't usually happen.
I find them comparable to Avons except in the cold tire situation. I have lots of friends that have the same problem (got to ride a mile or so before we hit it hard) so I don't think it is a fault of the Shinko, but just exemplifies how good of a tire an Avon is. Will I buy them again?
Ask me again in 4820 miles. If I still have good mileage left on them, I probably will.
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Thanks for the reply! Now, if only someone will test that new Michelin Commander II the way you did w/ the SE890... ;D
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Thanks for the reply! Now, if only someone will test that new Michelin Commander II the way you did w/ the SE890... ;D
Thats what I was thinking....maybe that tire and the PR3 in front would be a great combo....
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Thats what I was thinking....maybe that tire and the PR3 in front would be a great combo....
Even just the Pilot 2. A little cheaper but the same great Michelin feel, grip and wear.
Just my $0.02. ;D
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I neglected this part: the front tire : Shinko 011 Verge.
Equal to the Avon in every respect. Great tire under all conditions. This (for the price) will be my go to tire for as long as they make them.
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Super write up, Louie. ;)
Cheers
Ron
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http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/395/43495/ITEM/Shinko-SE890-Journey-Touring-Radial-Front-Tire.aspx?WT.ac=RichAutoComplete (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/395/43495/ITEM/Shinko-SE890-Journey-Touring-Radial-Front-Tire.aspx?WT.ac=RichAutoComplete)
Matching sets!
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I ordered the "160/80R 16 SE890 JOURNEY TOURING RADIAL SHINKO REAR TIRE" yesterday and got the confirmation it shipped out today from Chaparral Motorsports. Should be here by Monday. Hopefully i'll get a year out of it.
My local dealer called (while I was standing there) a few warehouses and they were all sold out and reported July to August as the restock date. If you are thinking of getting one, maybe you should get it now.
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Just F.Y.I.
Motorcycle Super Store has "Set's" available.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ViewCart.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ViewCart.aspx)
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Just F.Y.I.
Motorcycle Super Store has "Set's" available.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ViewCart.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ViewCart.aspx)
Your link just brought me to my own shopping cart, which is empty at the moment. :P
But... Motorcycle Superstore Shinko 890 Front Tire (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/395/43495/ITEM/Shinko-SE890-Journey-Touring-Radial-Front-Tire.aspx) and Motorcycle Superstore Shinko 890 Rear Tire. (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/395/43494/ITEM/Shinko-SE890-Journey-Touring-Radial-Rear-Tire.aspx)
$244.98 for a set.
Now the quandary... Do I get a set of Shinkos, or put up the extra $45.02 for the Avons from Murph?
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Your link just brought me to my own shopping cart, which is empty at the moment. :P
But... Motorcycle Superstore Shinko 890 Front Tire (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/395/43495/ITEM/Shinko-SE890-Journey-Touring-Radial-Front-Tire.aspx) and Motorcycle Superstore Shinko 890 Rear Tire. (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/395/43494/ITEM/Shinko-SE890-Journey-Touring-Radial-Rear-Tire.aspx)
$244.98 for a set.
Now the quandary... Do I get a set of Shinkos, or put up the extra $45.02 for the Avons from Murph?
Ooops. My bad. ;D
Their in my "Cart" for $237.98 shipped.
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I do like Avons better, all except for the mileage, which I am testing out now. Stats show it SHOULD last longer than the Avons (I got 5K of hard riding), but the tradoffs? Its a roll of the dice.
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Ooops. My bad. ;D
Their in my "Cart" for $237.98 shipped.
How did you get them for $7 cheaper than me?
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How did you get them for $7 cheaper than me?
I don't know. Maybe they like me better............lmao.
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An update:
As of yesterday, I now have 3045 miles on the Journey. I just got back from my run down to see my son in Hampton, Va. I did The Outer Banks with all that sand, the tunnels that are the norm for the roads around there, and the twisties on 33 in W. Va. and 5 and 6 in Va.
And the verdict is:
A+ in every catagory, from glass smooth pavement, to rough, from sandy / dirty concrete, and even some lite snow covered on Skyline Drive @ 4600 ft. I never had a single worry going into a corner or slowing her down.
I think this one is a true winner, and I'll get pics tomorrow, wear is barely visable right now, and the edges are holding up very well also.
Hope this helps, ride safe all,
Greg
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An update:
As of yesterday, I now have 3045 miles on the Journey. I just got back from my run down to see my son in Hampton, Va. I did The Outer Banks with all that sand, the tunnels that are the norm for the roads around there, and the twisties on 33 in W. Va. and 5 and 6 in Va.
And the verdict is:
A+ in every catagory, from glass smooth pavement, to rough, from sandy / dirty concrete, and even some lite snow covered on Skyline Drive @ 4600 ft. I never had a single worry going into a corner or slowing her down.
I think this one is a true winner, and I'll get pics tomorrow, wear is barely visable right now, and the edges are holding up very well also.
Hope this helps, ride safe all,
Greg
I had pretty much made up my mind to save the $45 and give the Shinkos a try. I have a 777 rear that I am quite happy with at the moment. I only wish they had a compatible size of the 777 for the front. But I'll get the 890s and ride them out to the National.
Although a Shinko 777 rear and 011 front might be a good budget combination.
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Thanks Greg!
Sounds like you had a good trip.. Yep, US33 is a treat! I might have gone w/ the 890, but George Young posted about the Azaro clearance sale & I was able to get one at $93 to the door....So this should last me 'till Oct/Nov at least.... Now if someone would give feedback on that new Michelin Commander II....
and as Jon has posted, I too have used the 777 & been happy w/ that as well.
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Just ordered a set of the 890s from Chaparral Motorsports for $225.26. Although the front is currently listed as "Pending arrival from manufacturer - Usually ships in 2-3 business days." But Motorcycle Superstore had both tires listed "Pending arrival".
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My update: it looks as if my swing arm bearings are in bad shape, so that is what is making my rear tire feel funny. Still top notch here, drug the center stand this last weekend.
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based on reviews here I just ordered a set from motorcyclesuperstore $244.98 shipped.
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If anyone going to the rally is sporting a set. Please write a detailed review and post it up. :thumbs: :chugbeer:
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Pulled the trigger on a set of SE890's from Motorcycle Maniac (couldn't find them anywhere else), $237.07 shipped. I have spent WAY too much time looking for tires, comparing tires, dreaming about tires,..... trying to find tires that fit and match..... When I put the other Connie back together Its probably gonna get 17 inch wheels.
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Never mind, front tire is back ordered 2-3 weeks.... #*&!!!!
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Okay, lets try again. Chaparral has them (SE890 Journey in wing sizes) both in stock, $221.76 shipped. I SWEAR I looked at their website and they didn't have one or both of them in stock..... As soon as I get my custom molded, high tech (read plastic) ankle brace in about 2 weeks, I'll be able to ride again. Gotta get busy and get the ole girl ready...
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Update: my swingarm bearings and races were shot, and two of the needle bearings in the shock were not doing anything good, so I think I have found the "fall in" issue. Will update in a couple of weeks when I get everything back together.
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If anyone going to the rally is sporting a set. Please write a detailed review and post it up. :thumbs: :chugbeer:
Doug I had Shinko 005 on the front with the Journey on the rear. AWESOME......................................
I should add they are pigwing sized; but they are not like the GT's. I loved the Gt's but these tires were great in AR. The turn in takes so much less than the GT's (no truck/heavy steering). I rode some rain soaked roads on Mon and never felt like the tire was going to slip out on me. Dry pavement was fantastic. I used just about every inch of usable tire while I was down there. I know the roads were chip seal but these tires never made me doubt if I was going to be able to grip the corners. I spooned them on before I left and now have a touch over 2K on them. They seem to be wearing very well. The rear does have a small amount of squaring but then again I did pull a trailer behind the Connie. Over-all I give the 890 two thumbs up :thumbs: :thumbs:
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Can't make the rally this yr., but if i could, you would see very little wear signs on my 890's. I am up over 6k on them, and other then being a little dirty, they are wearing just great. I got caught in a pretty hard rain the other day, and it stuck the road like glue. I am so please with these that i just might buy one in the fall just to ready for next season.
Everyone enjoy the rally, and as always, ride safe all.
Greg
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Can't make the rally this yr., but if i could, you would see very little wear signs on my 890's. I am up over 6k on them, and other then being a little dirty, they are wearing just great. I got caught in a pretty hard rain the other day, and it stuck the road like glue. I am so please with these that i just might buy one in the fall just to ready for next season.
Everyone enjoy the rally, and as always, ride safe all.
Greg
+1 If I happen to find them on sale I will definitely be getting a "spare" set for when the time comes. I loved the GT's, but I do believe these are a better handling tire. They handle much sportier.
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+1 If I happen to find them on sale I will definitely be getting a "spare" set for when the time comes. I loved the GT's, but I do believe these are a better handling tire. They handle much sportier.
Thanks for the info Chris. I've run Shinko's in the past on my ZRX and loved'm. I had a feeling that they (Shinko) were going to hit a home run with these.
I just checked and it's true!
"Chaparral has them (SE890 Journey in wing sizes) both in stock".
BTW-I didn't know the "005" came in an 18".............intrestering combo Chris. ;)
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Doug, no matter what their website says, Chaparral does NOT have the front tire in stock. I have received an email from Chaparral after I placed my order confirming that they had shipped the rear tire ONLY and that they were sorry but they did not actually have the front tire in stock, even though their web site NEVER said it was out of stock. They expected to have the front tire back in stock by the end of the week (yesterday). As of today, I have yet to receive the shipping confirmation for the front tire.
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Doug, no matter what their website says, Chaparral does NOT have the front tire in stock. I have received an email from Chaparral after I placed my order confirming that they had shipped the rear tire ONLY and that they were sorry but they did not actually have the front tire in stock, even though their web site NEVER said it was out of stock. They expected to have the front tire back in stock by the end of the week (yesterday). As of today, I have yet to receive the shipping confirmation for the front tire.
Man, I hate when they pull that crap. If you don't have the product in stock, say so before the buyer pays for something that's not there. Wonder if there's any Consumer Protection laws regarding that practice?
Thanks for setting it straight Woody.
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Yeah Doug, normally I would be a little "miffed" but I'm still at least 2 maybe 3 weeks from being able to ride again anyway, so I have time to wait. My custom ankle brace won't be ready until then (surgery on Achilles tendon 3 months ago). It was a good reason to do a REALLY good teardown/inspection/service of the rear suspension while I'm waiting. The girl is getting new shoes, bearings, rear shock oil change, fresh lube in the diff, new valve stems (from Murphs of course) and clean and relube of all moving parts. I think she'll be happy. I might even give her a bath..... 8)
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Just a quick update in case anyone is considering purchasing the 890 journey tires as a set, It is now about 2 weeks since I placed my order and I still have no front tire and have not received any communication from Chaparrel save for the one reply to the first email I sent them. Personally, I am still in no hurry but I just thought I would pass on what my experience has been so far. BTW, last time I checked, their web site still showed the front tire to be in stock.
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Just a quick update in case anyone is considering purchasing the 890 journey tires as a set, It is now about 2 weeks since I placed my order and I still have no front tire and have not received any communication from Chaparrel save for the one reply to the first email I sent them. Personally, I am still in no hurry but I just thought I would pass on what my experience has been so far. BTW, last time I checked, their web site still showed the front tire to be in stock.
Have you talked to anyone on the phone about your order, or is this all email?
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Have you talked to anyone on the phone about your order, or is this all email?
+1. I placed an order (or thought I did) through their website a couple of months ago. When nothing happened with the order, I called and found out that they had some website trouble, and that my order had not gone through, despite it still showing up when I accessed the site. Then placed the order by phone, and all was well.
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The front (journey) being back-ordered is the entire reason I put the Shinko 005 on the front just before the rally
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The front (journey) being back-ordered is the entire reason I put the Shinko 005 on the front just before the rally
I have a new front SE890 that I don't have to put on...
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Reply from Chaparrel today. They "anticipate" delivery (to them) in the first 2 weeks in July. I am not in a hurry YET, but will be after then. Just thought ya'll would like to know in case someone is wanting to purchase the tires as a set.
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Reply from Chaparrel today. They "anticipate" delivery (to them) in the first 2 weeks in July. I am not in a hurry YET, but will be after then. Just thought ya'll would like to know in case someone is wanting to purchase the tires as a set.
So thats a yes? All communication by email?
I much prefer to order things like this by phone. If there is ANY doubt it could be in stock (as was mentioned in this thread), it solves the problem before there is one, as talking to an actual person gets you the up to the second info that quite a few websites dont show, as evidenced by your issue with the non-stocked tire.
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Lodogg, yes, just email. As far as I know, NOBODY in N.America has the Shinko 890 Journey FRONT tire in stock. I see no reason to call them at this time. They would be shooting themselves in the foot by not shipping the tire as my order was/is a guarantee sale. I just happen to not be in a hurry (wouldn't matter anyway due to tire being AWOL) because I can't ride until I get my ankle brace. I would have liked to know they were out of stock when I placed my order though, I might have gone with a different combination of tires.
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Lodogg, yes, just email. As far as I know, NOBODY in N.America has the Shinko 890 Journey FRONT tire in stock. I see no reason to call them at this time. They would be shooting themselves in the foot by not shipping the tire as my order was/is a guarantee sale. I just happen to not be in a hurry (wouldn't matter anyway due to tire being AWOL) because I can't ride until I get my ankle brace. I would have liked to know they were out of stock when I placed my order though, I might have gone with a different combination of tires.
Chapparal is showing it "In Stock" as of this posting. Might be worth a call anyway. Takes a bit of waiting on hold to actually talk to someone, but it certainly won't hurt. When I was trying to get mine, and the internet order got FUBARed, their website changed the availability quite often, so it seems like it is reasonably tied in to their actual stock.
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They do not have the front tire in stock. My order went through with no problems, I received the conformation email showing I ordered both tires . They immediately shipped the rear tire, now sitting in my garage.
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As of today, still no SE890 journey FRONT tire in stock. I have decided to go with the (Shinko) 005 Advance in the same size. It is similar to the SE890 journey with very good reviews on different sites. It WAS/IS in stock, my account has been charged and the tire is on the way.
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As of today, still no SE890 journey FRONT tire in stock. I have decided to go with the (Shinko) 005 Advance in the same size. It is similar to the SE890 journey with very good reviews on different sites. It WAS/IS in stock, my account has been charged and the tire is on the way.
Not to make light of your situation...but it sounded exactly like my story. You will like the 005 890 combination. The play very nice together.
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I am now the proud papa of a shiny new Shinko 005 Advance front tire. I asked Chapparel to let me know when they do get the SE890 front tire in stock.
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Don't overlook the Shinko 011 Verge for the front tire also. The 1st one returned 16k and was just at the wearbars when I replaced it w/ the same.
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Yeah, I was going to try the 777 (rear) with the 011 (front) but decided to give the "wing" sizes a try. The 011 doesn't come in the 130/70/18 size (as far as I know) for the front. I wanted to run the SE890 on the front and rear, but my timing is bad. I'm ready to ride, and the 005 was a pretty close match to the SE890 so that's what I went with. If these don't feel right, then I'll probably try the 777,011 combo. Thanks for the heads up.
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I do have the 011 on the front. A little more "sport" of a tire I hear, it has worked well for me. I just did 200 or so in on and off again rain on the Snake (Shady Valley, 421, etc) and it was perfectly fine, both of them. the too and from there was another 3 hours of turns and fun. No tire issues.
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Ok, this will most likely be my last reply to this thread. The following is a reply from Chaparral in answer to my request asking them to let me know when the Shinko SE890 front tire was in stock. This is not a rant, I'm just passing on the info just in case one of Y'all might want to purchase that particular tire.
"Unfortunately, we will not be able to let you know about the SE890. We do not see what shipments come into the warehouse across the street and this particular tire needs to be ordered first, we will not be receiving any extra for stock right now."
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Ok, this will most likely be my last reply to this thread. The following is a reply from Chaparral in answer to my request asking them to let me know when the Shinko SE890 front tire was in stock. This is not a rant, I'm just passing on the info just in case one of Y'all might want to purchase that particular tire.
"Unfortunately, we will not be able to let you know about the SE890. We do not see what shipments come into the warehouse across the street and this particular tire needs to be ordered first, we will not be receiving any extra for stock right now."
Seems that they manage to sell all the ones they stock. I wonder what their logic is for not ordering any "extra".
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Seems that they manage to sell all the ones they stock. I wonder what their logic is for not ordering any "extra".
Sounds like a case of one department not knowing what another department is doing...I would bet they have some on order...the problem is their supplier is sold out right now... :'(
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Shinko has a page/Blog on Facebook. I'll check it out and see if there is any info.
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I just got an email from Shinko. 120 front tires are to be delivered this week (Is that all?!!!!!). Anyhow, contact "Western Power Sports) part #87-4661.
Sorry, in Ohio right now and no computer, only my iPhone. I'll see if I can come up with a number to call.
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Google Westen Power Sports. Click on "Contact Us". You have to leave YOUR contact info and they'll get in touch with you. So much for CUSTOMER SERVICE.
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I just ordered a"Matching Set" from
https://www.leatherup.com/cart?action=editcart (https://www.leatherup.com/cart?action=editcart)
I called and verified that they IN FACT had a FRONT and a REAR...............IN STOCK AND READY TO SHIP!
They had two fronts in stock, so I took one. ;D
$240.61 shipped.
Delivery date is Sept 7-10th. Fingers crossed.
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Good for you Doug. Let us know how you like'm
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Sure will Chris. Im getting ready to do the "Lake Michigan 1000" Iron Butt ride Sept. 22nd.........wanta come along??? :thumbs: Was just about to pull the trigger on the 011 Verge when I saw the Front SE890 were out there. I'm hoping they will ride very close to the Pilot GT's. ;)
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I personally think the 890 has a better 'feel' on the rear than the GT's. I only expect nothing but smiles from you with a full set.
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That would be sweet!!!! I'll keep you posted.. ;D
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I'm hoping this is a good sign. ??? ;D
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Looks promising, except you forgot to put you credit card info with it. Geez how do you expect me to get a set of tires?
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Looks promising, except you forgot to put you credit card info with it. Geez how do you expect me to get a set of tires?
:yikes:, Crap!!!! Let me take care of that right now................................................... :loco: :rotflmao:
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Its 11:55 pm. I am still waiting. ???
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I can't get the link to work. Just come on over and I'll get ya hooked up. :thumbs: :)
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Had a "SET" of SE890's sitting at my front door when I got home tonight. Way Cool!!!!!! ;)
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So we can expect a ride report by noon 09/05/12 ;)
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I finally got mine on and did a short "around the block" ride. (Around the block is 4.5 miles...) The tires felt good, but I'll need more time to evaluate. I had also modified the front fork springs, so I have a bunch going on with the bike all at once. I'm headed out for a weekend of riding tomorrow afternoon, and I'll report in a couple of times during the weekend.
I did notice the bike felt taller, but I had a stock size rear tire with a Wing size front mounted previously. Plus the fork mod, it probably was quite a bit higher.
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Well, I'm a few weeks on this set (005 front, SE890 rear) and I don't have anything negative to report. Still don't have any miles in the rain yet, but so far, so good. As far as I can tell, a fantastic value, and, any miles beyond 5,000 on the rear is a bonus.
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Well, I did about 50 miles on the 890s this afternoon. Mostly on the interstate. I noticed that the bike danced around a bit in the wake of tractor-trailers, but otherwise things were wonderful. I did set the rear dampening to the 2 setting where I normally had it at 3, so that may have been some of the difference, plus the modified fork springs. I'll reset the dampening tomorrow and see how things go.
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Well, put 250 miles on the 890s today. All two-lane roads and twisties. No complaints at all, and I really like these tires. So far, I like them every bit as much as the Pilot GTs, and maybe more. There might be some rain (and hail :o ) tomorrow, so I might get a chance to try them out in wet weather.
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Well, put 250 miles on the 890s today. All two-lane roads and twisties. No complaints at all, and I really like these tires. So far, I like them every bit as much as the Pilot GTs, and maybe more. There might be some rain (and hail :o ) tomorrow, so I might get a chance to try them out in wet weather.
This is what I was hoping to hear!!!! :thumbs: Are you running them front and rear?
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This is what I was hoping to hear!!!! :thumbs: Are you running them front and rear?
Yep, a matched set of tires.
Got to ride in the rain today. They were pretty good. They didn't feel as good as the Pilot GTs did in the rain, though. But with only a few hundred miles on them, I'll reserve judgement for now. I had a couple of instance of slipping when accelerating. One time was on a yellow line, so I'm not surprised. The other time, though, I didn't see any reason that the tire should have slipped. Might have just been a slippery spot in the road. The rear seemed to lock quicker than it should have when braking on wet pavement, but it wasn't that long ago that I re-adjusted my rear brake pedal, so it might have been me applying more brake than I thought. I was stopping pretty hard when it happened.
No noticeable cornering issues in the rain, but I was leading a ride at that point, so was riding slower than I normally would. Probably a good thing, too.
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I too had a lockup on the rear in the rain when I first put it on. Either I got used to it or it got used to me: either way no problems (and alot of rain) since.
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I noticed the bike was REALLY squirrelly when I hit some rain on the interstate today. If I changed lanes over the tar snake that was between the lanes, the bike slipped really badly. I did find that my front tire pressure was down at 35, though, and the rear was only 39. Those were both warm numbers, so the pressure was definitely lower than I wanted. Have to get it out in the rain again and see how those tar snakes feel now.
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Mounted a new rear two weeks ago. Still have the pilot GT up front. So far only in town miles and a couple of short jaunts on the slab. My observations so far?... The tire is taller than the GT (at least taller than my worn out one). The steering is noticeably easier. It wiggles on the rain grooves on the slab :'(. I miss my GT. I'm a little disappointed at this point but don't have enough miles to really judge yet. Soon, Lord willing, I'll be making a 2,300 file trip from central Cal to the Denver area. I plan to go east through Yosemite, connect to U.S. 6 and then get on the I70 in Utah. Not sure about the return route yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see some rain in Utah and Colorado so I should be able to give a well rounded report when I return.
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It wiggles on the rain grooves on the slab :'(. I miss my GT.
I forgot about that. I went over two steel deck bridges, both with different deck types, and the 890s did wander a bit. No worse than any tire with a central groove though. I'm guessing that the way the grooves are set up on the 890 mimics two off-center grooves.
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I'm doing an IB ride next Saturday. I'll be starting with a brand new set of 890's. I'll report once I'm able ::) :loco: :rotflmao:
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the tar snake that was between the lanes, the bike slipped really badly.
Came down a mountain road filled with tar snakes, same result, and it was dry. Been a couple of years since I did this road on the Avons, and under different circumstances. Wish I remembered if it was scary then too. Tire pressures ok, rest of the trip uneventful.
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Came down a mountain road filled with tar snakes, same result, and it was dry. Been a couple of years since I did this road on the Avons, and under different circumstances. Wish I remembered if it was scary then too. Tire pressures ok, rest of the trip uneventful.
I don't think Tar Snakes are a good judgment of a tire. I've ridden the the roads in Northen Georgia On my ZRX1100 (Wolfpen Gap, hwy 60, 129, Richard Russell) on everything from the Conti Road Attacks to the PR3's and every tire slips on Tar Snakes.
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Gang,
Will chime in on Shinko 890 Journey evaluation. Just returned from a 2,000 mile trip to Ark. 1,100 miles of Interstate, 900 miles of the best that Ark. has to offer.
Coming off of Pilot GT's which were GREAT tires and going to Shinko's I didn't know what to expect. I noticed only two differences, the ride MIGHT be a LITTLE more harsh and the height of the rear tire. For you long legged guys and gals, move along there is nothing for you to see here. For you inseam challenged 30 to 32 inchers you wil need to make darn sure where you put your foot down. The GT's are tall, the 890's are an inch taller. :-\ That favorite cushion, sheep skin, etc. might cause you some problems.
I like the tires, stick well, give good feed back, noticed no problem in the rain, but these babies are TALL.
Dave N.
COG 4475
Rockford Ill.
03 Connie [GQ}
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200 miles today. Seemed to start raining every time I turned the key. Rode from Asheville/Hot Springs/Asheville on 25/70/63. Roads that they name, 63 is (moon)Shiners Run.
Was able to walk away from the CBR's that were with me no sweat, but they run sport tires. The guy on the snowmobile was moving good though. That impressed me.
The tar snakes still kill me, and I got on the yellow line once almost ended up in a high side.
I am going to say very very good but break away very quickly, much more so than my Avons.
And for the ride height and harshness, I brought down my damper rod on my rear shock one click and the bike rides very well. I have a 32inch inseam and flat foot fine. It is 1 inch taller, I too checked.
Still a grea tire.
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200 miles today. Seemed to start raining every time I turned the key. Rode from Asheville/Hot Springs/Asheville on 25/70/63. Roads that they name, 63 is (moon)Shiners Run.
Was able to walk away from the CBR's that were with me no sweat, but they run sport tires. The guy on the snowmobile was moving good though. That impressed me.
The tar snakes still kill me, and I got on the yellow line once almost ended up in a high side.
I am going to say very very good but break away very quickly, much more so than my Avons.
And for the ride height and harshness, I brought down my damper rod on my rear shock one click and the bike rides very well. I have a 32inch inseam and flat foot fine. It is 1 inch taller, I too checked.
Still a grea tire.
I might be just a little confused about this "snowmobile" thing... :o
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I'll throw in my .02 on the 890. I'm on my second one, the first was defective, out of round. The second is also out of round, but less so. I'll stick with it, sick of changing rear tires. Four different rear tires in less than 3k miles.
Cornering seems to do quite well, though not as confidence inspiring as the Avon Venom or Michelin Commander II.
This tire is rated for over 1000 lbs. I reduced the pressure from 40 to 35lbs. Ride is better and the twichiness is less pronounced. The bike is not nearly as stable when playing with freeway traffic. It also likes to follow the grooves in concrete. Could be traits of a radial tire, I dunno. I haven't played with it that hard in the rain yet, as it is still relatively new. I did play with the brake on a wet road, it seemed to take quite a bit of pedal pressure to get it to break loose.
This a tall tire. Doing 80 on the GPS showed 4600 rpm, stock size Venom and Commander II both showed 5000. Like SiSF said at breakfast yesterday, kind of like a 6 and 3/4 gear.
To sum it up, I don't think I'll buy another one. I really liked the Michelin Commander II for ride, handling, and they actually make a tire that is round. It's possible the Michelin I had was an aberration, but it slipped out very easy on a corner with light acceleration on a wet road. Dry road, it kicked butt. I dunno what's with the Shinko deal. I run Shinko 700 series street knobs on my KLR and absolutely love them. They do everything very well. I've had two out of round 890s in a row, the second, less so. Western Power Sports was superb to deal with on a replacement.
Note. If this bike didn't have 170k miles on it, I would hook up with a 17" rear and spoon on a Michelin PR3. The one I have on the front is one superb tire. Folks running them on the C-14s are liking them a bunch also.
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I might be just a little confused about this "snowmobile" thing... :o
The Can Am Spyder is a snowmobile with tires instead of skis. Im sticking to my guns on that. Every time I looked at it, sitting still or following around Lake Lure, it looked like a snowmobile.
Tire is not out of round, but has alot of weight to balance. People here gave me mucho grief about running 35psi, so it went back up to 42. I actually just notched the damper rod back to 2 and it helped immensely.
I find no difference in cornering: nor does various hard parts that seem to come in contact with the pavement when I get hasty. Tar snakes do scare me, and I imagine concrete grooves would be the same.
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The Can Am Spyder is a snowmobile with tires instead of skis. Im sticking to my guns on that. Every time I looked at it, sitting still or following around Lake Lure, it looked like a snowmobile.
As much as I love to argue about things...I got nothin here... :chugbeer:
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Tar snakes do scare me, and I imagine concrete grooves would be the same.
I wasn't too fond of the 890s on tar snakes either, but the last bunch I hit, I barely noticed. But the weather has been MUCH cooler, so that is probably the reason.
The 777 rear I had didn't seem to mind the tar snakes as much, and painted lines in the rain weren't as noticeable either.
But I don't think the 890s are all that horrible in relation to tar snakes and paint, I just think the Pilot GTs spoiled me. (Damn you, Michelin!)
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At this point, my 890's are still sitting in my garage. I'll get them mounted once this riding season comes to an end :'(. I just wanted to chime in about "Tar Snakes".........mind you that my opinion is based more on riding a ZRX then my Connie:
I've had Bridgestone, Continentals, Dunlops, Michelin and Shinko's and EVERY one of these tire brands didn't like Tar Snakes! In the heat of the summer tar snakes are as slick as Elephant Snot no matter what kind of rubber your wearing. Even my GT's that I'm about to wear out on my Connie hate them. Maybe I still ride my Connie like my ZRX...........sometimes I know I do ;) but I've learned that when riding on a road with those slippery snakes every where the most important thing to do is to SLOW down a little and when you feel the bike getting squarely..........STAY WITH IT! Tapping brakes or sudden throttle inputs will only amplify the moment. Slow down BEFORE you reach that "OH, CRAP!!!" point. Yes, some tires DO handle tar snakes slightly better than other but to judge a tire based on it performance while encountering tar snakes isn't a fair evaluation of a tire.
Don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing anyone in any way, shape or manner. I'm just sharing my personal experience and $.02. :thumbs:
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You are right on the money Doug. Tar snakes are everywere here in California. It is so bad here I do not ride at the heat of the day. The road is to slick. I have even seen car slide over them.
At this point, my 890's are still sitting in my garage. I'll get them mounted once this riding season comes to an end :'(. I just wanted to chime in about "Tar Snakes".........mind you that my opinion is based more on riding a ZRX then my Connie:
I've had Bridgestone, Continentals, Dunlops, Michelin and Shinko's and EVERY one of these tire brands didn't like Tar Snakes! In the heat of the summer tar snakes are as slick as Elephant Snot no matter what kind of rubber your wearing. Even my GT's that I'm about to wear out on my Connie hate them. Maybe I still ride my Connie like my ZRX...........sometimes I know I do ;) but I've learned that when riding on a road with those slippery snakes every where the most important thing to do is to SLOW down a little and when you feel the bike getting squarely..........STAY WITH IT! Tapping brakes or sudden throttle inputs will only amplify the moment. Slow down BEFORE you reach that "OH, CRAP!!!" point. Yes, some tires DO handle tar snakes slightly better than other but to judge a tire based on it performance while encountering tar snakes isn't a fair evaluation of a tire.
Don't misunderstand this post. I'm not criticizing anyone in any way, shape or manner. I'm just sharing my personal experience and $.02. :thumbs:
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I even have them in my own driveway. Very slippery when wet too - even with shoes! Not a good way to judge a tire (IMHO). And yes, I know tar snakes are everywhere. Perhaps a super soft tire would do better but would probably yield less than 3k miles from it.
Kind of like the Castrol oil commercial when they drain the oil out to see which engine runs the longest. I don't know about you, put I really don't care how that test impacts my car. Not a real world test.
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I just think the Pilot GTs spoiled me. (Damn you, Michelin!)
Exactly how I feel. I am really disappointed with my 890 rear. Walks all over the rain groves on the freeway. I think I'll try lowering the pressure like SteveJ and see how that does. Haven't had it in rain yet but I can tell you, you better be careful on wet exposed aggregate crosswalks. It slips out without any effort at all. My GT never did that. Did I say I am really disappointed with my 890 rear?
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Odd. I was around Hot Springs NC in terrible weather and was walking away from the CBR's. Only slip I had was my fault: hit the center paint and scared the crap out of me. Did I mention terrible? I ride in anything but this was the worst this year: when you get soaked behind the barn door at speed? I never have had that happen before.
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Exactly how I feel. I am really disappointed with my 890 rear. Walks all over the rain groves on the freeway. I think I'll try lowering the pressure like SteveJ and see how that does. Haven't had it in rain yet but I can tell you, you better be careful on wet exposed aggregate crosswalks. It slips out without any effort at all. My GT never did that. Did I say I am really disappointed with my 890 rear?
I found mine to be better at an actual 40/42 psi. I made the mistake of trusting the gas station gauge when I first had the tires on. Then I used the gauge I usually use and found I was 5psi low. Getting it right made a difference.
They still suck on wet paint, though. The GTs were much better there.
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Now that I've had a chance to ride this tire for a while, and after putting a new PR2 up front, I think I'm liking the Journey. I've still not pushed it on wet roads(rainy season is over), but everything else seems to be working nicely. I had been carrying 35psi for a while, went to 40, have now dropped back to 35. This tire is rated for over 1000 lbs at what, 42 or 44 lbs? I think an unladen Connie is just fine at 35, IMHO, YMMV.
I really hope they figure out how to make a round one, though. :( I run the Shinko 700 series(70/30 street knobby) on my KLR and they really work great, plus they are round. ;)
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Just spooned on a SE890 Journey 160/80/16. My previous tire was a Shinko 777 150/80/16. A quick inspection show the two are really very close in width. Upon measuring they are within about 1mm. They are both right at 6" which calculates to 152.4 mm. It wasn't fair to compare the height of a worn out tire to a brand new on so I didn't even try.
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I was hoping to see some Reviews on these tires after some of you have put at least a full riding season on them. ???? :-\
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I was hoping to see some Reviews on these tires after some of you have put at least a full riding season on them. ???? :-\
I removed the 890 after about 3500 miles. I got tired of the out of round(second in a row) POS.
I mounted up a 777 in the 150 size. Much nicer tire, and it is round. It currently has about 11k miles on it, sh/be good for another 2-3k. About 2.5 to 3k was 75+mph loaded with camping gear. Rides and handles nicely, no surprises on cornering, teams up well with the 110/80 PR3 on the front.
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I removed the 890 after about 3500 miles. I got tired of the out of round(second in a row) POS.
I mounted up a 777 in the 150 size. Much nicer tire, and it is round. It currently has about 11k miles on it, sh/be good for another 2-3k. About 2.5 to 3k was 75+mph loaded with camping gear. Rides and handles nicely, no surprises on cornering, teams up well with the 110/80 PR3 on the front.
Thanks Steve. I've got a brand new set sitting in the garage waiting to be installed. I hope I don't have the same issue. :o
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I put one on this spring. No out of round issues. About 5k trouble free miles. Still looks new and i've used it pretty hard. I did however, spin it getting on I-95 the other night on an entrance ramp in the rain. I think i've learned where its wet break point is now. Luckily I was going pretty straight at the time. In defense of the tire, I was rolling at about 5k when I throttled up with Steve's jet kit. In the rain.
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Well, replacing my Shinko 777 rear and Pilot GT front with a full set of Shinko 890s.. So, is it obivious when they are out of round, or do you start 'bouncing' when you go down the road?
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/14230649196_502498468d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nFvNdC)IMAG0944 (https://flic.kr/p/nFvNdC) by MizzouMike (https://www.flickr.com/people/60284293@N02/), on Flickr
Here is a pic of the new rear
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I felt a bounce at certain speeds, maybe 40-60??
You can also put the bike in gear and check it while running on the C stand with something on the floor next to the tire tread. Any variance in the gap indicates an out of round condition. Good Luck.
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I installed a set just before I departed for the National Rally in Johnson City TN. I now have just over 4K miles on them. They replaced a set of Pilot GT's. So far I love'em! Yes, they wonder a little on "Rain Groved" pavement and they are a little "Sensitive" when Slabing it from point A to B.
However, they improved the Ridability of my Connie greatly! It's more nimbile and feels lighter when under way. The GT's made her feel like a Tank and a handfull when in the Twisties.
I havent had any issues with "Out of Roundness" to this point and they dont show any signs of wear other then a 1/2" "Chicken Strip". For my money, these are the best set of "Matched" tires for the C-10.
Just my $0.02.