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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2895 on: December 06, 2017, 10:57:23 pm »
Use an auto transfer switch with only the items wired to it that the generator is capable of running.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2896 on: December 07, 2017, 03:10:32 am »
Yes, and in almost all cases, that involves a major sized sub- panel and a major re- wiring of both the main breaker panel (where all those items you want the generator to power are already located) and of course a complete re- wiring of the sub- panel.

Again, a true stand- by generator is expensive, complex and they can work very well indeed. But I am not willing to pay for it and the price difference is huge; there is a motorcycle in the differences in price of a medium sized portable generator that will <meet> needs and provide true comfort (in my opinion of course) and a full- blown, automatic, back- up generator that will basically mimic the grid's power delivery.

By the way, I lost power this fall for 3 days. The last time I lost power before that was nine years ago for something like five days. Calculate the amount a true stand- by generator, and associated fuel storage and maintenance costs would cost for those 8 days of no grid power over nine years vs. the $600 or $700 for a portable generator costs and I think anyone would be amazed. And the last time I lost power before the time nine years ago was almost twenty years ago; add that in and the annual costs of owning and maintaining a stand- by generator are not only staggering, they become, in my opinion, ridiculous. Now if I was in an area that lost power multiple times per year, such as the far north of New England for instance, the entire situation would be extremely different. In fact I know a gentleman on the Canadian border in VT that lost power for 28 days: it was costing him $55 / day to run multiple generators and he had nine (9!!!) extension cords running into the house to spread generator power around. And he suffers a fair amount of power outages; in his place, a diesel powered stand- by generator with, say, (2) 275 gallon fuel tanks would not be ridiculous or even overkill.

I think of it like this: It would be fantastic to have a JD 790 D, brand new, standing by just in case a strong wind blows over a large tree. That machine would be extremely handy to move the tree, help cut it up, then carry the pieces to wherever they would be out of the way. Much nicer than having to wait on a tree service. But that is a $150,000 machine so that <relatively small> bit of convenience is going to cost dearly. Now if you live on a far, a big backhoe gets weekly and often daily work and it not a luxury but a regular 'tool' for general purpose, useful and needed work.

Brian

Use an auto transfer switch with only the items wired to it that the generator is capable of running.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2897 on: December 07, 2017, 04:00:30 am »
I too have a portable generator, it's an Ohman 5k. It's attached to my very portable motor home.  :)

If needed I can run an extension cord to the house. So far no need.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2898 on: December 07, 2017, 04:42:37 am »
Does that make it a 300 hp portable generator?  :)

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2899 on: December 07, 2017, 05:22:37 am »
Yeah, the infamous 'suicide cord'. Looks like a regular electrical cord with plug ends except..... both ends are male (know in some circles as the 'San Francisco' version- yep, I know, politically incorrect but still struck me as funny. Mods do whatever ya' gotta' do to make this post..... appropriate, and then throw me out of the U.S. Senate too boot  :rotflmao: )

I was using two 115 VAC cords, plugged into my generator (each one picks one leg of 230 VAC power so together they provide 230 Volt power to the house) and then wired them into a pair of breakers. It worked fine of course but took a little time to set up, left the breaker panel open and was just not 'slick'. So I finally ordered a 4 prong (Boys!) rotary locking plug (male) for the generator, and a three prong (male) whip normaly used to power an electric stove or range. My welder is set up for 230 VAC, single phase, 70 amp. so all I now have to do it plug in the suicide cord and back- feed teh breaker panel in the garage, which in turn will back- feed the main breaker panel in the house. All fine and well, as long as one remembers that when one end of that thing is plugged in, the other end is 'live' or hot and will make you sorry if you touch it, drop it on anything conductive, etc. It is kind of like a sword with no handle: it may be  a fine tool but it does have a little bit to it.

Getting way back ONTOPIC, which is nothing of course, the normal practice in the electrical / electronic world is to put the spring loaded part of any electrical connection on the disposable part of the device. Now the good Thomas Edison tried to do this very thing and put the spring loaded connectors into the cord, rather than the wall, so when they wore out, one simply replaced the cord, not part of the house. Great idea, except for the part where he would have had a pair of brass prongs sticking out of the walls all over the house and the cords would be female, not male. Yikes! But then again, he envisioned something like 25 volts DC powering up residences so it is kinda' like two cases of moronity cancelling each other out.  At any rate, smarter people prevailed, on both fronts, and now electricity is safely lurking INSIDE outlets in all instances and you have to stick something in there (Easy Boys!) to 'get it'. And of course we use the correct type of power, AC and at much higher and far more sane voltages than ole' Tom could conceive of.

Trivia: Edison was on such a dedicated mission to prevent AC from being used as electrical power anywhere in the US, he called it the "killing current" and personally made the world's first motion picture (using moving frame film, which he also invented) to film an unruly circus elephant being electrocuted to death as an example of just how bad AC really is. The film still exists and is fairly gruesome, just as one would think; the elephant is standing there, with cables attached to both front feet, there is a large stream of smoke and the magnificent pachyderm just falls over.

Brian

I too have a portable generator, it's an Ohman 5k. It's attached to my very portable motor home.  :)

If needed I can run an extension cord to the house. So far no need.
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