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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2895 on: December 06, 2017, 10:57:23 pm »
Use an auto transfer switch with only the items wired to it that the generator is capable of running.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2896 on: December 07, 2017, 03:10:32 am »
Yes, and in almost all cases, that involves a major sized sub- panel and a major re- wiring of both the main breaker panel (where all those items you want the generator to power are already located) and of course a complete re- wiring of the sub- panel.

Again, a true stand- by generator is expensive, complex and they can work very well indeed. But I am not willing to pay for it and the price difference is huge; there is a motorcycle in the differences in price of a medium sized portable generator that will <meet> needs and provide true comfort (in my opinion of course) and a full- blown, automatic, back- up generator that will basically mimic the grid's power delivery.

By the way, I lost power this fall for 3 days. The last time I lost power before that was nine years ago for something like five days. Calculate the amount a true stand- by generator, and associated fuel storage and maintenance costs would cost for those 8 days of no grid power over nine years vs. the $600 or $700 for a portable generator costs and I think anyone would be amazed. And the last time I lost power before the time nine years ago was almost twenty years ago; add that in and the annual costs of owning and maintaining a stand- by generator are not only staggering, they become, in my opinion, ridiculous. Now if I was in an area that lost power multiple times per year, such as the far north of New England for instance, the entire situation would be extremely different. In fact I know a gentleman on the Canadian border in VT that lost power for 28 days: it was costing him $55 / day to run multiple generators and he had nine (9!!!) extension cords running into the house to spread generator power around. And he suffers a fair amount of power outages; in his place, a diesel powered stand- by generator with, say, (2) 275 gallon fuel tanks would not be ridiculous or even overkill.

I think of it like this: It would be fantastic to have a JD 790 D, brand new, standing by just in case a strong wind blows over a large tree. That machine would be extremely handy to move the tree, help cut it up, then carry the pieces to wherever they would be out of the way. Much nicer than having to wait on a tree service. But that is a $150,000 machine so that <relatively small> bit of convenience is going to cost dearly. Now if you live on a far, a big backhoe gets weekly and often daily work and it not a luxury but a regular 'tool' for general purpose, useful and needed work.

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Use an auto transfer switch with only the items wired to it that the generator is capable of running.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2897 on: December 07, 2017, 04:00:30 am »
I too have a portable generator, it's an Ohman 5k. It's attached to my very portable motor home.  :)

If needed I can run an extension cord to the house. So far no need.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2898 on: December 07, 2017, 04:42:37 am »
Does that make it a 300 hp portable generator?  :)

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2899 on: December 07, 2017, 05:22:37 am »
Yeah, the infamous 'suicide cord'. Looks like a regular electrical cord with plug ends except..... both ends are male (know in some circles as the 'San Francisco' version- yep, I know, politically incorrect but still struck me as funny. Mods do whatever ya' gotta' do to make this post..... appropriate, and then throw me out of the U.S. Senate too boot  :rotflmao: )

I was using two 115 VAC cords, plugged into my generator (each one picks one leg of 230 VAC power so together they provide 230 Volt power to the house) and then wired them into a pair of breakers. It worked fine of course but took a little time to set up, left the breaker panel open and was just not 'slick'. So I finally ordered a 4 prong (Boys!) rotary locking plug (male) for the generator, and a three prong (male) whip normaly used to power an electric stove or range. My welder is set up for 230 VAC, single phase, 70 amp. so all I now have to do it plug in the suicide cord and back- feed teh breaker panel in the garage, which in turn will back- feed the main breaker panel in the house. All fine and well, as long as one remembers that when one end of that thing is plugged in, the other end is 'live' or hot and will make you sorry if you touch it, drop it on anything conductive, etc. It is kind of like a sword with no handle: it may be  a fine tool but it does have a little bit to it.

Getting way back ONTOPIC, which is nothing of course, the normal practice in the electrical / electronic world is to put the spring loaded part of any electrical connection on the disposable part of the device. Now the good Thomas Edison tried to do this very thing and put the spring loaded connectors into the cord, rather than the wall, so when they wore out, one simply replaced the cord, not part of the house. Great idea, except for the part where he would have had a pair of brass prongs sticking out of the walls all over the house and the cords would be female, not male. Yikes! But then again, he envisioned something like 25 volts DC powering up residences so it is kinda' like two cases of moronity cancelling each other out.  At any rate, smarter people prevailed, on both fronts, and now electricity is safely lurking INSIDE outlets in all instances and you have to stick something in there (Easy Boys!) to 'get it'. And of course we use the correct type of power, AC and at much higher and far more sane voltages than ole' Tom could conceive of.

Trivia: Edison was on such a dedicated mission to prevent AC from being used as electrical power anywhere in the US, he called it the "killing current" and personally made the world's first motion picture (using moving frame film, which he also invented) to film an unruly circus elephant being electrocuted to death as an example of just how bad AC really is. The film still exists and is fairly gruesome, just as one would think; the elephant is standing there, with cables attached to both front feet, there is a large stream of smoke and the magnificent pachyderm just falls over.

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I too have a portable generator, it's an Ohman 5k. It's attached to my very portable motor home.  :)

If needed I can run an extension cord to the house. So far no need.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2900 on: December 16, 2017, 06:17:55 am »
Over the millennia, we have found oh so many ways to kill people, some pretty slick, some not so much. But the goals have been 1) Kill the victim (no wounding) and often 2) do it quickly and efficiently. Sometimes there is a third goal in there though: inflict as much pain and anguish along the way as possible.

Two methods are often misunderstood I think, crucifixion and hanging.

Crucifixion was a favored method of both execution as well as making public 'statements' to the public about required behavior w/in the Empire. But the actual method of death in not very well known; most people seem to think that the victim dies of either exposure (not likely in a warm, [not dry] Mediterranean area or blood loss from the wounds made as attachment points, also not the cause. The actual cause of death, while gruesome, is also interesting: the victim suffocates. It would seem that there is nothing impeding the breathing of the victim, that is exactly what happens: the diagram is not a very strong muscle but more than sufficient to expand and contract the torso of a mammal. But when a human is anchored to a flat member along his / her entire back, normal chest or abdomen expansion cannot happen without the front part of the body causing the lower body to be lifted on each inhale. So instead of merely expanding and contracting the abdomen, the diagram now has to lift a fairly heavy portion of the body on each breath and after some time, can no longer do so. So the oxygen levels in the victim drop, the victim loses consciousness but the breathing continues (it is an involuntary muscle movement) until the diaphragm simply cannot lift the lower body enough or at all and the victim suffocates.

Hanging becomes a little confusing because depending on circumstances, and the hangman's skill (or lack of skill) it can go one of two ways: breaking the victim' neck, well up on the spinal cord resulting in instantaneous unconsciousness and death following shortly (moments), or strangulation, which can and does easily last 5 minutes or more, all the while having the victim active and rather resisting the entire process from the end of the rope.

The correct way to hang someone is to snug the rope around the neck, put the noose connection to the side of the victim's head (never in the back), and drop the victim far enough to snap the spinal column WITHOUT ripping the head from the torso, which is considered VERY bad form! To achieve this, the victim is weighed, his / her physical condition evaluated, and the drop length and victim weight carefully calculated. The victim is also 'weighted' as needed to increase the body's weight, usually by attaching weights to the torso or legs. A successful hanging takes a skilled person to set it up, and for centuries, even through the 1950's, there were prized and very well know and respected hangmen in England, who would travel about to exercise their 'craft' as needed, and were well paid to do so.

Of course sometimes, the goal is NOT a quick, merciful death but a tortuous one. In those cases, the victim is not dropped very far at all, and even occasionally only lifted by the noose until his / her feet are just off the ground, at which point 'the dance' begins. It is believed this very thing happened after the Nuremberg trials in Germany in 1946 because many of those hanged were strangled, with reports claiming it took some of them up to 28 minutes to die.

And as a no- cost extra in this thread about nothing, the past tense of 'hang' varies depending on exactly what was..... hung or hanged. The rule is this: if it is an inanimate object, then it is 'hung'. But for any animate (read: living) thing, the word is 'hanged'. Which of course clearly shows that no one can be 'hung like a horse', including an actual horse, who would actually be 'hanged like a horse'..... though probably not fillies or mares.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2901 on: December 18, 2017, 10:58:07 am »
Cheerful subject for this time of year Brian!  ;)

I thought the thing regarding the hangings after Nuremberg was retribution because the Nazi's were infamous for using piano wire with the tip of the toes just touching.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2902 on: December 18, 2017, 11:46:59 am »
Yeah, my 'trivia posting calendar' is a bit off- it also has Santa references scheduled for July. Sorry.  ;)

The execution thoughts are more about the mechanics of it than the deed itself. So I kind of view the whole thing as: well, we know it is an execution and so we know it does not have a happy ending (mostly, some exceptions I think) but looking a little deeper and the mechanics are interesting, at least to me.

As far as the Nuremberg hangings being retribution, I do not think that is really known. What is known is that two American G.I. enlisted men did them and they simply were not hangmen so.... we kinda' had unskilled labor doing a skilled- labor task. Some of the people hanged after the war in Germany were done by British hangmen and it was done correctly; we tend to think of the Nuremberg trials as an individual thing but they were actually a series of trials and punishments that went on for nearly two years (the punishments far longer, with Rudolph Hess serving a life sentence in Spandau prison from 1947 until he died in 1987, and he was the only prisoner there for some years at the end, and the prison was closed after he died). Some of the others were 'The Doctor's Trials', 'The Judges Trials' and so forth.

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Cheerful subject for this time of year Brian!  ;)

I thought the thing regarding the hangings after Nuremberg was retribution because the Nazi's were infamous for using piano wire with the tip of the toes just touching.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2903 on: December 18, 2017, 12:44:51 pm »
Yeah, my 'trivia posting calendar' is a bit off- it also has Santa references scheduled for July. Sorry.  ;)

The execution thoughts are more about the mechanics of it than the deed (EASY, BOYS) itself. So I kind of view the whole thing as: well, we know it is an execution and so we know it does not have a happy ending (EASY, BOYS) (mostly, some exceptions I think) but looking a little deeper (EASY, BOYS) and the mechanics are interesting, at least to me.

As far as the Nuremberg hangings (EASY, BOYS) being retribution, I do not think that is really known.

What is known is that two American G.I. enlisted men did them and they simply were not hangmen so.... we kinda' had unskilled labor doing a skilled- labor task. Some of the people hanged after the war in Germany were done by British hangmen and it was done correctly; ...

Oh I dunno, as long as those deserving to die did indeed end up dead, I'd call it good.

ps Also note 'easy, boys' edits above. Some are a bit of a stretch. (EASY, BOYS)

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2904 on: December 18, 2017, 03:24:58 pm »
Yeah, see you over- used the Easy Boys!. That ruins it and removes all the humor.

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Oh I dunno, as long as those deserving to die did indeed end up dead, I'd call it good.

ps Also note 'easy, boys' edits above. Some are a bit of a stretch. (EASY, BOYS)
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2905 on: December 18, 2017, 03:49:44 pm »
OK, some of you wusses are not happy with execution stories want a post about nothing at all suitable for the holiday season? Fine, try this one on:

As the story goes: Once upon a time, there was a 'starving' young entertainer named Amos Muzyad Yakhoob Kairouz who was about to give up show business because he could not support himself in that field. But he was a very pious, very religious man and before giving up, he prayed to the patron saint of lost causes for the ability to make a living (and only a living, not wealth) in the entertainment field and vowed that if he was successful, he would build a shrine to that patron saint.

Well, it turns out that Mr. Kairouz found work immediately after 'cutting the deal' and actually became more than able to support himself and his family finding great success in the entertainment industry. At about the same time, radio was giving way to TV and that is where Mr. Kairouz found even greater success, eventually making him a wealthy man. But he never forgot his vow, and after gaining success, he embarked with his wife on a journey to both gain funds as well as other, wealthy supporters to found that shrine he had promised. And he named it after the patron saint of lost causes, St. Jude, and it became St. Jude Children's Hospital. He fervently believed “no child should die in the dawn of life.” and spent a great deal of his own money, as well as vast amounts of time and effort to found and then support St. Jude's Children's Hospital, which thrives to this day.

You may know him better by his stage name, Danny Thomas. And yes, his daughter is Marlo Thomas, and has carried on the work her father started, spending a great deal of her time supporting and promoting that institution.

I hope everyone enjoys this heart- warming story 'cause tomorrow I am thinking about a post describing a horse's trip through the knackers! With extra emphasis on where the good strop material comes from.

:-)

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2906 on: December 18, 2017, 03:56:53 pm »
I received several notices from different vendors that today is the LAST day that those in California can order ammunition for direct delivery. After 1 Jan 2018, California will have the US's most stringent laws on the purchase, storage, and accumulation of firearm ammunition in the country. All ammunition must be purchased through a licensed dealer, a background check performed for all purchases of ammunition and quantities limited.

My sympathies. You CA folks got some nice weather, and some truly magnificent real estate, capable of growing so much fruit, produce and some other things but man, that liberal curtain is getting close to the floor and normal life is going to become more and more difficult.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2907 on: December 18, 2017, 04:15:46 pm »
I received several notices from different vendors that today is the LAST day that those in California can order ammunition for direct delivery. After 1 Jan 2018, California will have the US's most stringent laws on the purchase, storage, and accumulation of firearm ammunition in the country. All ammunition must be purchased through a licensed dealer, a background check performed for all purchases of ammunition and quantities limited.

Which will GREATLY inconvenience the normal, good people and have almost zero effect on the bad people.  Typical USA "gun control" measures- driven by emotions and not logic/fact/reason.   ::)
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2908 on: December 18, 2017, 04:48:03 pm »
Chicago is trying to out Kalifonia kalifornia by inviting the U.N. to help stop the so-called 'gun' violence in one of the most gun controlled  cities in the country.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/27597-chicago-politician-requests-child-raping-un-troops-in-america

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #2909 on: December 18, 2017, 05:20:48 pm »
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