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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Kwikasfuki on January 28, 2012, 01:35:55 PM

Title: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on January 28, 2012, 01:35:55 PM
This mod is for the 2007 - 2009 models. The later models have this functionality already available.

This mod places a switch on the handlebars, making it easier to cycle the onboard display.

This info was somewhat lost during the server crash here, so hopefully this will help.

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Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on January 28, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
This is great, excellent tutortial. Thanks! But soldering that is a little scary. I will practice on an old IC board before I try it!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on January 28, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Nice , this will be my next mod thanks for the idea :hail: :hail: :hail:,( is that yellow light  in your tach meter for the ABS?), but the way i will mount the switch is in the same box where i mount the switch for my driving LED lights, check the pictures
(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/pre_2014.jpg)
And here is the same switch after waterproof i will mount a push switch at the front side so it will be under the horn switch
(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/pre_2030.jpg)
I have no problem soldering , i allready have some work done to the cluster, this is the way it looks after i changed the lights color
(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/cluste10.jpg)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 28, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
Excellent!  Totally worthy!  :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ang on January 28, 2012, 04:01:20 PM
I have been looking for this mod and knew it was around somewhere. Finally, Thank you!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on January 28, 2012, 04:02:53 PM
Nice , this will be my next mod thanks for the idea,( is that yellow light  in your tach meter for the ABS?)

Aye, it is for the ABS. Goes off once you hit a certain speed.

I'll probably end up putting a switch in the main housing near the flash to pass switch.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ang on January 28, 2012, 04:19:53 PM
I remember that some were using the flash to pass switch for this mod.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on January 28, 2012, 04:23:55 PM
I remember that some were using the flash to pass switch for this mod.

Did think about that, but I do tend to use the flash to pass switch
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ang on January 28, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
Basic question alert! So coming off  the switch, the green wire goes to the  ground and the grey to the soldered wire from the display. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on January 28, 2012, 04:40:47 PM
Basic question alert! So coming off  the switch, the green wire goes to the  ground and the grey to the soldered wire from the display. Is that correct?

Yup, that's correct.

Edit: although it doesn't matter which way the go. As long as one connects to the soldered wire and the other to earth.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ang on January 28, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: maxtog on January 28, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
Did think about that, but I do tend to use the flash to pass switch

I am guessing it shouldn't be too difficult to have it serve both purposes, simultaneously.  Of course, with such a mod, you would have to be careful when you want to use it :)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ZG on January 28, 2012, 05:58:32 PM
Nicely done LF3!  8) :thumbs:
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 09:31:58 PM
Awesome "how to."  Thanks for all the great pictures and info!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2012, 08:06:24 AM
One of the problems with the FTP (Flash to Pass) switch is that in heavy rain it actuates the high beams by itself.  Anyone looking at this switch used by Kwak would be horrified as to how it's put together.  One needs to slather it with dielectric grease to keep it functional in heavy rain as the housing is not very waterproof.  I don't know if it's been improved in the 10 models on up but with the 08/09s it has this problem.

We get a question every so often on that phenomenon every so often.  For that reason, I wouldn't use it and instead go with an after market waterproof switch of some sort.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: PH14 on January 29, 2012, 08:13:52 AM
One of the problems with the FTP (Flash to Pass) switch is that in heavy rain it actuates the high beams by itself.  Anyone looking at this switch used by Kwak would be horrified as to how it's put together.  One needs to slather it with dielectric grease to keep it functional in heavy rain as the housing is not very waterproof.  I don't know if it's been improved in the 10 models on up but with the 08/09s it has this problem.

We get a question every so often on that phenomenon every so often.  For that reason, I wouldn't use it and instead go with an after market waterproof switch of some sort.

I have heard of that problem Jim but have never had it happen on mine, despite how much heavy rain I've ridden through. I have a 2009 and wonder if they had fixed the issue by the time they made mine. It seems that the majority of my long trips have included rain of Biblical proportion and often have animals crowding two by two around my bike at rest stops.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2012, 08:20:56 AM
You're lucky then, about the switch, not the animals.  I took my switch apart once to grease up the FTP and it hasn't happened since.  My switch had huge blobs of solder.  Whomever put that together knew nothing about soldering.  Probably the same twit that aimed my headlights.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on January 29, 2012, 11:41:41 AM
I own my 09 for 1 year and did ride it for 10K  some times during heavy rain during summer here in south Florida and never have that kind of problem with the FTP switch
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: marku8a on January 29, 2012, 02:25:43 PM
Looks like a great Mod! I will be doing this now that I see how simple it is.

If anyone finds a switch they like, I sure would like to hear about it.

Mark
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
I think in the old forum someone came up with a weatherproof push button switch.  We'll have to keep looking if that's what you want although the switch outlined here is fine as well.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: marku8a on January 29, 2012, 02:40:08 PM
Now that I think about it, I would also be interested in using the FTP (Flash to Pass) switch. If someone has details about that Mod, I would appreciate learning about it.

Mark
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ang on January 29, 2012, 04:15:26 PM
Wiring done, just deciding on a switch or the flash to pass. Was sweating on attaching the wire to the elect. board on the display, practised a few times on a scrap board on a computer I had lying around, turned out fine.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: PH14 on January 29, 2012, 07:07:39 PM
You're lucky then, about the switch, not the animals.  I took my switch apart once to grease up the FTP and it hasn't happened since.  My switch had huge blobs of solder.  Whomever put that together knew nothing about soldering.  Probably the same twit that aimed my headlights.

 :chugbeer: I had the same guy!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on January 30, 2012, 12:30:14 AM
Thank you Lord Frederick III

First thing I did this morning when I read your post was to look through my box of electrical odds and ends to see if I had a momentary push button switch.  I found one and immediately proceeded to follow your excellent instructions to accomplish a task that Kawasaki incorporated in the '10 and later models.  Here's a picture of my solution for a switch location, it's the red button.  There's a lot of room inside the housing where the switch is located.  The switch is from Radio Shack that came in a package of three I bought when I needed one for a hidden garage door opener switch.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on January 30, 2012, 01:54:12 AM
That's what I'm thinking of doing as well Bud. Do you have to remove the the grips to get to the housing? How are the wires routed from the housing?
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on January 30, 2012, 03:14:53 AM
That's what I'm thinking of doing as well Bud. Do you have to remove the the grips to get to the housing? How are the wires routed from the housing?

No need to remove the grip.  Simply remove the two screws from the housing and it will split and can be removed from the handlebar.  I used just one wire from the soldered connection on the back of the circuit board to one of the terminals on the switch.  To ground the switch I soldered a very thin copper wire to the switch's other terminal and ran it under a plastic piece inside the other side of the housing where it contacts the handlebar.  This can be better understood when you remove the housing for a visual assessment of my explanation.  There's plenty of room to run the single wire next to the gang of wires where they enter the housing.  If you are unable to decipher my ground wire instructions, let me know and I'll pull it apart, take a picture and post it.  I did it this way because it seemed a waste to run a separate ground wire alongside the other wire to a ground on the frame when the handlebar is right there and is certainly a ground. 

My long departed paternal grandfather who was born in 1871 would surely be aghast if he knew I was sending assistance to an Englishman.  My own father, born in 1910 wouldn't think much of it either.  I'm so damn liberal though, I'd even help an Orangeman.  Strange that both of the aforementioned gentlemen thought of themselves as Irishmen even though they were born in Canada and Chicago respectively.  Neither of them ever set foot on the Emerald Isle either.  I have been there back in the early 60's and shortly after arriving decided that I didn't like it and promptly set sail for England where the girls were prettier and food was better.  Never thought I'd ever praise English cuisine because it's horrible, but it is better than Irish fare.  I, on the other hand, always considered myself an American until some 30-40 years ago when I determined myself to be a citizen of the world.  The advent of the computer has certainly had an influence on this consideration as a perfect example of this is happening right now.  You and I are exchanging information as though we were in adjacent rooms when we're actually a continent and an ocean apart.  Then consider who else is reading this drivel, could be just about anyone, anywhere. 
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on January 30, 2012, 03:29:35 AM

My long departed paternal grandfather who was born in 1871 would surely be aghast if he knew I was sending assistance to an Englishman.  My own father, born in 1910 wouldn't think much of it either.  I'm so damn liberal though, I'd even help an Orangeman.  Strange that both of the aforementioned gentlemen thought of themselves as Irishmen even though they were born in Canada and Chicago respectively.  Neither of them ever set foot on the Emerald Isle either.  I have been there back in the early 60's and shortly after arriving decided that I didn't like it and promptly set sail for England where the girls were prettier and food was better.  Never thought I'd ever praise English cuisine because it's horrible, but it is better than Irish fare.  I, on the other hand, always considered myself an American until some 30-40 years ago when I determined myself to be a citizen of the world.  The advent of the computer has certainly had an influence on this consideration as a perfect example of this is happening right now.  You and I are exchanging information as though we were in adjacent rooms when we're actually a continent and an ocean apart.  Then consider who else is reading this drivel, could be just about anyone, anywhere.

 ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for the info, will try when my new switch arrives
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 30, 2012, 04:28:19 AM
My long departed paternal grandfather who was born in 1871 would surely be aghast if he knew I was sending assistance to an Englishman. 

There's more than a few of us around here... ;)

I thought the last time this was posted that a push button switch was mounted in the housing, although my memory fails me for the exact mounting point.  Is the switch weatherproof?
 
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Bosco on January 30, 2012, 08:45:23 AM
This seems like a great mod. Does anyone sell kits, or do we need to get the parts at Radio Shack.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 30, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
There is no 'kit' as such being offered that I'm aware of.  You'd have to source the parts yourself.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Rhino on January 30, 2012, 11:51:56 AM
Wow! I have a 2010 so I don't need this mod but what a great write up! Kudos!  :hail:
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on January 31, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
I did a search for a switch for this mod , for me have to be small to fit in the  little project box that i have attached to the bottom of the left switch housing for the auxiliary LED driving lights and also it have to be water proof, did not found any, so i have to use my fabrication skills and make my own switch that is water proof and low profile
Here are some pictures that i have with my cel phone camera, later i will post more pictures taken with a better camera and explanation of the fabrication, the toggle switch in the side is for the lights and the one in front is for the menu change
(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/pre_2032.jpg)(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/pre_2031.jpg)(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/pre_2030.jpg)(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/dscn7818.jpg)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Bosco on February 01, 2012, 05:22:10 AM
Is it possible to install the 10-11 grip housing. That way we could get the OEM switch.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 01, 2012, 06:20:33 AM
Is it possible to install the 10-11 grip housing. That way we could get the OEM switch.
i did search for a used one on EBAY but can't get it,  I thing it should work
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Gearhead82 on February 01, 2012, 06:58:10 AM
Is it possible to install the 10-11 grip housing. That way we could get the OEM switch.

I'll let someone with a 2010+ confirm, but doesn't that grip housing also have buttons for the traction control and ABS settings?  Not sure it would work cleanly on an '08-09.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 01, 2012, 07:04:17 AM
I like Bud's approach of mounting the switch in the original switch housing and I found suitable switches at RS, although not labeled water proof. But a question comes up as RS had some momentary swiches available in either "on" or "off". I assumed that we need a switch that is on when pressed  but I guessed wrong as which pack to buy: on when pressed or on when not pressed. The lovely sales girl was no help. She confided that she was "not any good with switches". Before I return and get the other switch pack will someone confirm that we need on when pressed?
Thanks
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OCK913 on February 01, 2012, 07:27:40 AM
Before I return and get the other switch pack will someone confirm that we need on when pressed?

You dont want an ON/OFF switch, you want a momentary switch. One that when pressed, does not stay depressed. Think of your "flash to pass" switch.....it is only ON when you have it depressed and when you release, it it is off. That is a momentary switch and what you need for this application as well.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 01, 2012, 08:11:53 AM
I like Bud's approach of mounting the switch in the original switch housing and I found suitable switches at RS, although not labeled water proof. But a question comes up as RS had some momentary swiches available in either "on" or "off". I assumed that we need a switch that is on when pressed  but I guessed wrong as which pack to buy: on when pressed or on when not pressed. The lovely sales girl was no help. She confided that she was "not any good with switches". Before I return and get the other switch pack will someone confirm that we need on when pressed?
Thanks
What you need Lather is a momentary, normally open switch.  When pressed it will connect the pin your wire is soldered to on the circuit board to ground.  This link will take you to a Radio Shack site with an assortment of such switches available.

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=momentary%20switch&origkw=momentary+switch&sr=1 (http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=momentary%20switch&origkw=momentary+switch&sr=1)

The one I used is in a 4 pack that you'll find at:  http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062539 (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062539)

This switch will only be exposed to a few milliamps so the smallest one with the lowest capacity is what you need.

There seems to be an inordinate preoccupation with water among those who have replied to this thread.  In my opinion the switch is pretty well shielded from the airflow by the clutch reservoir and it's the airflow carrying the water.  So what if the switch does manage to accumulate enough water to create a source of flow between the contacts.  All it will do is switch your display panel to the next menu and stay there.  If I'm riding in a rain that's heavy enough to penetrate the switch and to activate it then the least of my concerns is what the display is telling me.  I seriously doubt that the switch will ever be activated by the rain.  If it is, so what?  As a final thought on this matter.  Take a look at the other switches, buttons and what not on on both handlebars and I'll be damned if you can tell me that any of them are waterproof.  None of them are and obviously don't need to be (with the possible exception of the flash to pass switch) otherwise Kawasaki and the other motorcycle manufacturers would be employing waterproof switches in these locations.  They don't, so stop sweating water penetration of the little button that toggles the display panel.   
 
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 01, 2012, 10:54:05 AM
Thanks Bud. The 4 packs were not labeled as to whether they were normally open or closed. There were trays with labels but most of the packs were obviously in the wrong trays! Anyway I found another switch that I like better. Wider and lower profile. As for water proofing I have had a couple cockpit panel mounted non waterproof toggle switches for my heated grips on two bikes a total of 175,000 miles and have never had any rain or washing related problems.
Here's the one I like:
(http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-2160417w345.jpg)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 01, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
Thanks Bud. The 4 packs were not labeled as to whether they were normally open or closed. There were trays with labels but most of the packs were obviously in the wrong trays! Anyway I found another switch that I like better. Wider and lower profile. As for water proofing I have had a couple cockpit panel mounted non waterproof toggle switches for my heated grips on two bikes a total of 175,000 miles and have never had any rain or washing related problems.
Here's the one I like:

Looks like an appropriate choice to me and probably would have been my choice also had I gone to the store for this specific purpose.  However, I bought mine a couple years ago and that was what I had on hand when this thread was so graciously begun by Lord Frederick III.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Boomer on February 02, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
when this thread was so graciously begun by Lord Frederick III.
Hey "Fred", didja see that? "Gracious".  :rotflmao: :nuts: :loco: :rotflmao:
By the way, why is yer location different in UK/US forums?
Perhaps I should change my name on here too.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 02, 2012, 04:06:17 AM
Trying to protect the innocent?
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OCK913 on February 02, 2012, 08:27:07 AM
Here's the one I like:
(http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-2160417w345.jpg)

I like the looks of that one the best. It seems the most OEM'ish of the bunch. Looking at these dimensions though:
Mounting hole: .48"
Bezel diameter: .55"
Button diameter: .35"
Length overall: 1.03"
Length of threads: .26"
Hex nut size: 9/16" or 14mm

I am not sure if I can find room in the factory housing. Anyone that has had it apart care to comment?
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 02, 2012, 08:44:29 AM
I think the original writeup had a switch similar to what you show mounted in the housing.  It's not that difficult to pull apart and look but it will depend on the physical characteristics of the switch.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 02, 2012, 08:50:41 AM
I like the looks of that one the best. It seems the most OEM'ish of the bunch. Looking at these dimensions though:
Mounting hole: .48"
Bezel diameter: .55"
Button diameter: .35"
Length overall: 1.03"
Length of threads: .26"
Hex nut size: 9/16" or 14mm

I am not sure if I can find room in the factory housing. Anyone that has had it apart care to comment?

There are two screws holding the housing together on the handlebar.  Remove the two screws, separate the two halves of the housing, and see for yourself is there is ample space to accommodate the switch.  Do this and you will have proven yourself to be as mentally endowed as the average chimpanzee.  That's what I did to assure my switch would fit and to guarantee consideration for the monkey of the month club.   
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 02, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
This monkey can even work a camera:
(http://www.lamsta.com/gallery/switch.jpg)
May need to bend the tabs to the side to clear the bar. I think it will fit. The hole will have to be carefully posistioned to seat the swiych bezel on the flat part and with clearance of the windshield switch which will put it straddleing the split I think.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 02, 2012, 09:58:29 AM
This monkey can even work a camera:

May need to bend the tabs to the side to clear the bar. I think it will fit. The hole will have to be carefully posistioned to seat the swiych bezel on the flat part and with clearance of the windshield switch which will put it straddleing the split I think.

From what I see when looking at the switch in question, there is an internal nut that secures the switch in place.  If you straddle the gap using this particular switch there is no way to tighten the nut when you put the housing back on the handlebar.  The switch I used has an external nut and can be tightened if one chooses to use the flat where the housing splits.  I located mine forward of the flat and once all is secure on the handlebar the curvature is not noticeable.  The larger the switch the more noticeable the curvature will be.  By trying to get such a large switch mounted on the flat portion of the housing you're complicating the hell out of a very simple installation.  For the sake of experimentation, look for something with approximately the same diameter as the housing (about 2 1/4 inches) and drill a hole to insert the switch and check its appearance to get a rough idea of how it will look on the bike.  For something about the size you need see if you might have an old plastic bottle or container of some sort that could be used.  Perhaps a piece of PVC or just take a piece of cardboard from a container such as a cereal box and bend it to the proper diameter, drill a hole and stick the switch in the hole and you'll have a pretty good idea of its visual appearance when installed on the bike.  Once you decide where to drill the hole you're committed and the switch better damn well fit or your problems will have just begun.  Plan and measure carefully though and you should wind up with just what you want in both appearance and function.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 02, 2012, 01:46:35 PM
Thanks for spotting the flaw in my plan. I will study some more before I drill and may end up using a smaller diameter switch if necessary.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 02, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
Hey "Fred", didja see that? "Gracious".  :rotflmao: :nuts: :loco: :rotflmao:
By the way, why is yer location different in UK/US forums?
Perhaps I should change my name on here too.


Shhh, you'll blow my cover!  8)
By location, do you mean as on the member map? On this forum, I took a general stab of where I am. UK forum pin is more accurate.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 02, 2012, 06:06:34 PM
I have a better pictures of the switch i made, i like the location because is at the reach of yours fingers as any other switch in this housing, i made It out of some key less remote or alarm remote, that box is very small and is attached to the bottom of the switch housing with some little screws, i might paint it black but i have to get  first a paint that stick good to this material here is the link for that project box
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/MB-95/MINI-PROJECT-BOX-1.46-X-1.06-X-0.67/1.html (http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/MB-95/MINI-PROJECT-BOX-1.46-X-1.06-X-0.67/1.html)
(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/sw_110.jpg)(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/sw_210.jpg)(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/sw_310.jpg)(http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/22/83/92/sw_410.jpg)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ang on February 02, 2012, 06:25:23 PM
Here is the switch I used, think it looks kind of OEM.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 02, 2012, 06:30:47 PM
Here is the switch I used, think it looks kind of OEM.
I like it where you get it?
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ang on February 02, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm (http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm)         Just installed today.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OCK913 on February 02, 2012, 06:51:19 PM
Here is the switch I used, think it looks kind of OEM.

That is perfect..... I just ordered 2 of them, 1 for the install and the other for ......  in case of emergency.  :)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 02, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm (http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm)         Just installed today.
That's the perfect switch for this aplication, is a little big but the best thing is that is water proof, just ordered mine
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ZG on February 02, 2012, 07:40:53 PM
Here is the switch I used, think it looks kind of OEM.

I like it, looks clean bro!  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 02, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
Here is the switch I used, think it looks kind of OEM.
Is there any ground wire in any of the switches in that housing? did you run the wires inside where the all other wires goes from that housing?
Thanks
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 02, 2012, 08:30:30 PM
Is there any ground wire in any of the switches in that housing? did you run the wires inside where the all other wires goes from that housing?
Thanks
ok let me answer that  question myself the answer is YES, the black and yellow wire that goes to the horn switch is ground
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: maxtog on February 02, 2012, 09:04:13 PM
Here is the switch I used, think it looks kind of OEM.

That is a great switch and the installation is great.  Might have to stretch a bit to get to it there, though :)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 04, 2012, 09:48:51 AM
Thanks to BudCallaghan and members from the UK forum (http://www.gtr1400.co.uk), I've moved the switch to the housing.

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/gnusblat/1400%20GTR/20120204_140346.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/gnusblat/1400%20GTR/20120204_140823.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/gnusblat/1400%20GTR/20120204_141344.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/gnusblat/1400%20GTR/20120204_142323.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/gnusblat/1400%20GTR/20120204_151012.jpg)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: marku8a on February 04, 2012, 10:44:11 AM
You dont want an ON/OFF switch, you want a momentary switch. One that when pressed, does not stay depressed. Think of your "flash to pass" switch.....it is only ON when you have it depressed and when you release, it it is off. That is a momentary switch and what you need for this application as well.

I wouldn't mind giving up the functionality of "flash to pass". Does anybody know if the "flash to pass" switch is indeed normally open?

Mark
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 04, 2012, 01:56:18 PM
 ??? WEll, Lord Fred's warning was a day too late. I  drilled too close and don't have enough clearance to get the nut on my switch. I did manage to succesfully solder a wire onto the panel circuit board. For now I will patch up my botched hole and make do. Will replace the switch housing and redo later.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 04, 2012, 04:47:51 PM
I wouldn't mind giving up the functionality of "flash to pass". Does anybody know if the "flash to pass" switch is indeed normally open?

Mark
Yes it is nolmally open
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 04, 2012, 05:44:47 PM
??? WEll, Lord Fred's warning was a day too late. I  drilled too close and don't have enough clearance to get the nut on my switch. I did manage to successfully solder a wire onto the panel circuit board. For now I will patch up my botched hole and make do. Will replace the switch housing and redo later.

That's a real bummer Lather, you have my sympathy.  All is not lost though.  Before you receive the new switch housing you now have the opportunity to use the one you do have and use it to practice getting the installation right.  I suggest you use some black silicone seal to repair the hole you made in the wrong place and then try another place, such as that depicted in the below picture posted by Ang and try again.  You can either put it where he put it or you can try placing it closer to the seam.  Just remember that you will want it in a place where you can get a finger on it without interference from the clutch's hydraulic reservoir.

I looked here:  http://www.riderschoiceracing.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=1365574&category=Motorcycles&make=KAWASAKI&year=2009&fveh=38263 (http://www.riderschoiceracing.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=1365574&category=Motorcycles&make=KAWASAKI&year=2009&fveh=38263)
and found that it will cost you $127.32 plus shipping (ouch) to replace the housing and then you will have to detach the wiring from the old and install it in the new.  If you can figure out how to do a decent repair on the old one or live with the silicone seal patch it will save you a fair amount of change.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 04, 2012, 06:47:56 PM
Thanks for your support Bud. I expect to have an acceptable repair. I will know in the morning after the JB weld has had time to cure and I see how it holds up when I re-drill. But I have a thing about always paying the price for my screw ups so I plan to replace the housing even if it comes out ok. Luckily I was able to buy a housing on Ebay for $45 plus $9 shipping. And as you suggest, practice makes perfect.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: marku8a on February 04, 2012, 08:53:28 PM
To ground the switch I soldered a very thin copper wire to the switch's other terminal and ran it under a plastic piece inside the other side of the housing where it contacts the handlebar.  This can be better understood when you remove the housing for a visual assessment of my explanation.  There's plenty of room to run the single wire next to the gang of wires where they enter the housing.  If you are unable to decipher my ground wire instructions, let me know and I'll pull it apart, take a picture and post it.  I did it this way because it seemed a waste to run a separate ground wire alongside the other wire to a ground on the frame when the handlebar is right there and is certainly a ground.

I would like to avoid running a separate ground wire as well. I decided to use the FTP switch. I disconnected the wires then had a look at the wire diagram. It appears that one wire is 12 volts hot and the other is a ground when the headlights are on. The wires to the switch are not color coded in the diagram. I probed the wires and found that one is hot and the other has a very small floating positive voltage. Since this is being connected to the display circuit board I am concerned about using what appears to be a ground but has a positive voltage. Even a small voltage can fry a sensitive circuit board. Any advice on the use of this apparent ground is welcome.

Mr. Callaghan – I don’t understand your grounding solution. The places that I see that contact the handlebar are the circular cutouts that allow the housing halves to come together and a plastic pin that fits into a hole on the handle bar that prevents the housing from rotating on the handle bar. I really studied this but I am at a loss to understand. Your elaboration would be appreciated.

Mark
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 04, 2012, 09:29:11 PM
I would like to avoid running a separate ground wire as well. I decided to use the FTP switch. I disconnected the wires then had a look at the wire diagram. It appears that one wire is 12 volts hot and the other is a ground when the headlights are on. The wires to the switch are not color coded in the diagram. I probed the wires and found that one is hot and the other has a very small floating positive voltage. Since this is being connected to the display circuit board I am concerned about using what appears to be a ground but has a positive voltage. Even a small voltage can fry a sensitive circuit board. Any advice on the use of this apparent ground is welcome.

Mr. Callaghan – I don’t understand your grounding solution. The places that I see that contact the handlebar are the circular cutouts that allow the housing halves to come together and a plastic pin that fits into a hole on the handle bar that prevents the housing from rotating on the handle bar. I really studied this but I am at a loss to understand. Your elaboration would be appreciated.

Mark
You have a real ground in that housing. the BLACK/YELLOW wire that goes to the horn switch is ground you can confirm that in the wiring diagram
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 04, 2012, 10:00:55 PM
I had a suitably sized piece of two strand wire lying around so I used it. For ground I bared an inch of one strand and wrapped it around one of the panel bracket bolts a couple inches from the other strand that connects to the wire coming out of the panel. Seemed simple and logical to me. The way I read Bud's ground solution, he just used the two halves of the switch housing to clamp his ground wire to the bar.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 04, 2012, 10:28:48 PM


Mr. Callaghan – I don’t understand your grounding solution. The places that I see that contact the handlebar are the circular cutouts that allow the housing halves to come together and a plastic pin that fits into a hole on the handle bar that prevents the housing from rotating on the handle bar. I really studied this but I am at a loss to understand. Your elaboration would be appreciated.

Mark

I'll take it apart and snap a picture in a couple of hours.  Then I'll post it to reveal simplicity defined in this approach to solving a very simple snag that some folks are tripping over.

Changed my mind and decided to do it now as it involved a mere five minutes of effort.  Here are the pictures that prove once more, "Any ass can do it".

It's nothing more than a thin copper wire that is bent around the aluminum bar and held firmly in place by the other half of the housing.

Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 04, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
I had a suitably sized piece of two strand wire lying around so I used it. For ground I bared an inch of one strand and wrapped it around one of the panel bracket bolts a couple inches from the other strand that connects to the wire coming out of the panel. Seemed simple and logical to me. The way I read Bud's ground solution, he just used the two halves of the switch housing to clamp his ground wire to the bar.

You got it, simple as that.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 05, 2012, 07:07:51 AM
This is an excellent thread!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: marku8a on February 05, 2012, 10:50:28 AM
It's nothing more than a thin copper wire that is bent around the aluminum bar and held firmly in place by the other half of the housing.

Got it now. Thanks!

Mark
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OCK913 on February 06, 2012, 10:49:38 PM
OK, I have a "before I go any further question for ya'll ....
When I got home from work today my switch was here. After dinner I thought I would get started on the grip housing portion. I mounted the switch in the housing and attached one leg of the switch to the yellow/black which has been stated was a good ground. I ran the other leg from the switch out of the housing using the existing loom that all the other factory wires are in (there was plenty of room in there) and I have it exiting the loom down below the fairing near the fork tubes. I stopped there and figured I would start on the display connection portion of it tomorrow evening. So far so good ...... however, thinking I was just checking my work, I connected a simply 12V test light to an old motorcycle battery that keep in my garage just for testing purposes like this. I hooked one end of the test light to the positive of that battery and I connected the other end to the wire that is coming from the switch that will eventually connect to the display circuit board. My thinking is that if I push the button, it should light the test light .... shouldn't it?  If so, I have a problem, because it doesnt. 
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 07, 2012, 12:42:24 AM
You need to connect the test battery's negative post to the motorcycle frame to complete the circuit.

Verify the test light's integrity by simply touching it to a clean bolt or other satisfactory ground on the bike's frame after you have attached the battery's negative terminal to the frame.  If it lights, you now know that it is in working order.  Now check the wiring through the momentary switch and if the light shines when you press it to close the contacts, you're good to go.  If not, attach your test light probe to the black/yellow wire to verify that it is indeed a ground wire.  If it is a ground wire and the light doesn't shine going through the switch then there's a fault somewhere in the switch or the wiring.  If the black/yellow wire is not a ground, take a look at my own setup and copy it as it's as simple as me and as bulletproof as the application requires it to be.

A volt/ohm meter would be preferable to your test light but the test light should be able to determine a ground.  If you don't own a volt/ohm meter, then you ought to consider getting one as you will surely find many uses for it in the future.  Fortunately, they're very inexpensive.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 07, 2012, 07:26:40 AM
After two days and 180 miles of "test riding" I am thoroughly delighted with my fingertiip panel display control.  The first 3 or 4 uses I had to feel around for the switch location but after that it was automatic. The only thing I am wondering now is who knows which spot on the IC board controls the odometer? And where can I find a two-way momentary on toggle switch? Most riders probably don't fool with the odometer switch much but I do.

Huge thanks to Lord Frederick for the how-to posting and to Bud for his helpful suggestions.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OCK913 on February 07, 2012, 08:50:24 AM
You need to connect the test battery's negative post to the motorcycle frame to complete the circuit.

Thanks Bud, as soon as I read that I was  "DOH!"  I checked it before I left for work and I am good to go. I will work on the connecting it to the display tonight.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 07, 2012, 11:38:59 AM
After two days and 180 miles of "test riding" I am thoroughly delighted with my fingertiip panel display control.  The first 3 or 4 uses I had to feel around for the switch location but after that it was automatic. The only thing I am wondering now is who knows which spot on the IC board controls the odometer? And where can I find a two-way momentary on toggle switch? Most riders probably don't fool with the odometer switch much but I do.

Huge thanks to Lord Frederick for the how-to posting and to Bud for his helpful suggestions.

This thread is getting out of hand.  I don't think you'll be able to find a push button switch that will do what you want.  However, you can get a SPDT center off "ON-OFF-ON" momentary toggle switch of the miniature variety that will work.  They're available with a small 1/4 inch post and a body small enough to fit in the handlebar housing.  (Pictured below) 

As for your other question, I can only suggest you do a bit of experimenting to find the answer.  If I cared to have the odometer option you seek I would remove enough plastic to get to the panel circuit board and then test the group of four connections below the group of four connections where the wire is soldered as shown in Lord Frederick's picture copied below.  My presumption is that the upper group of four connections is attached to the upper button and the lower four are connected to the lower odometer button.  I'd start by momentarily grounding the one in the same place as the one that works for the upper button.  What the hell, the worst case scenario is a ruined circuit board and panel lights that don't work at all.  Kawasaki will be glad to sell you another if you do ruin it. 

That's an unlikely event though.  If I cared to be able to toggle through the odometer choices I would follow the path described above, but I don't, so I won't.  You're on your own with this one.  To search for the switch, try looking for this: "SPDT center off "ON-OFF-ON" momentary toggle switch" using Google.  There are probably rocker switches available but will be too big for your desired application.  Lord Frederick really opened a can of worms with this one. 
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 07, 2012, 01:51:17 PM
Lord Frederick really opened a can of worms with this one.

 ;D

Maybe next time I'll open Pandora's box by mentioning Kipass  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 07, 2012, 01:54:48 PM
If this is what comes out of 'opening a can of worms' then open all you can find....
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Flathead on February 07, 2012, 04:52:43 PM
Keep in mind in your search that a lot of manufacturers show a momentary switch with parenthesis, such as (ON)-OFF-(ON). Here is one source for a lot of great switches: http://www.e-switch.com (http://www.e-switch.com)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 07, 2012, 06:41:25 PM
The last part of my last post was semi-facetious, I am already way ahead thanks to this thread. Frankly I am impressed that someone could point the way to get as far as we have. I have a friend who used to work for NASA who worked similar magik on my old C10 J-Box, I may consult him. But  before I start poking and prodding I will take a look at the wiring diagram. Bud's suggestion is a great start. As for the switch it will need to be a momentary, otherwise the mileage gets reset to zero.  ???
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: marku8a on February 07, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
So my final solution was to use the Flash To Pass (FTP) switch. Ground to the black/yellow wire to the horn switch. You need to loosen the turn signal switch to get to the horn ground wire.

Thinking that I was going to add a switch as opposed to using the FTP switch I purchased a couple of the previously recommended switches...

http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm (http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm)

These will fit with no problem, have a good crisp tactile feel and look OEM.

A sweet mod at almost cost! Bring on the ODO mod!!

Mark
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: marku8a on February 07, 2012, 10:37:18 PM

Sorry. I meant ...A sweet mod at almost no cost!

Mark
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OCK913 on February 08, 2012, 03:19:44 PM
Just wanted to update and say that I completed my display mod last night and everything works perfectly and I am very pleased with the result. A HUGE THANK YOU to Lord Frederick for the instructions and everyone else who added follow-up. All in all, I spent less than $5 and probably 2 hours from the time I turned the first screw til the time it was all buttoned up. 
All :hail: Lord Frederick
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 08, 2012, 08:18:03 PM
Thanks Bud, as soon as I read that I was  "DOH!"  I checked it before I left for work and I am good to go. I will work on the connecting it to the display tonight.

Congratulations!
We're located at opposite corners of this country, perhaps that explains why you say "DOH" and I say, "DUH".  I've always said "DUH" and never heard otherwise until the arrival of Homer Simpson.  Are you a fan of his?
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 09, 2012, 03:58:12 PM
I'm quite impressed with my non waterproof switch. Got caught in a downpour and it behaved perfectly.

I still have my grand plan of replacing the display with a custom one, once I can crack all the canbus codes.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on February 09, 2012, 07:53:06 PM
I still have my grand plan of replacing the display with a custom one, once I can crack all the canbus codes.

In dash GPS?  That would be an interesting project.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: ZG on February 09, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
In dash GPS?  That would be an interesting project.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 10, 2012, 06:30:00 AM
In dash GPS?  That would be an interesting project.

More than that. A fully inbuilt android or linux based device.

Of course you can put one in a holder and shove it on your handlebars but its not quite the same thing
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on February 10, 2012, 06:35:32 AM
Sounds like a great (highly technical) project.  Good luck sir.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: maxtog on February 10, 2012, 04:36:16 PM
More than that. A fully inbuilt android or linux based device.

+1,000,000 !!!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 11, 2012, 06:55:48 AM
To be honest, doing a customised onboard computer whether it be android or linux based isn't that hard.

The hard part is know what protocol Kawasaki use in their CANBUS and writing the protocol code.

So:

1. on the handlebar there would be some sort of joystick control to navigate the menus
2. the onboard computer would allow:
           a. customised display (so if you wanted to have TPS with battery voltage and temperature you could do)
           b. be in colour
           c. have bluetooth functionality
           d. ability to install applications e.g. music player
           e. integrated sat nav
3. and a ton of other goodies i've not thought of.
4. Use a beagleboard or some other small form factor board
5. Must have low power consumption
6. USB to copy music/data to the internal SD card

Obviously would need to display Kawasaki system errors etc.

Its not rocket science. The hard part is the CANBUS protocol. From my research the ZX14 chaps are trying to decipher the codes as well, and they should be the same as the Concours. If anyone here has the KDS database, that would help ;). The manufacturers of speedohealer are developing their own low cost diagnostic kit for Kawasaki (sniffs messages on the CANBUS and decodes them). Once I have access to this kind of toolset it will make life easier.

If I do get it done, I'm just dreading the size of the writeup for people to do the customisation themselves.  If people are interested in this I don't mind giving the project a bit more focus. At the moment its more for me to polish up on my technical skills.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gPink on February 11, 2012, 07:35:08 AM
Would not the canbus code be the same in each computer on the bike? A company like Guhl Motors,who has cracked the code in order to reflash the ecu might be able to help. On a different front a company called Hexcode has cracked the canbus on BMWs.
http://www.hexcode.co.za/ (http://www.hexcode.co.za/)
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 11, 2012, 09:45:08 AM
Would not the canbus code be the same in each computer on the bike? A company like Guhl Motors,who has cracked the code in order to reflash the ecu might be able to help. On a different front a company called Hexcode has cracked the canbus on BMWs.
http://www.hexcode.co.za/ (http://www.hexcode.co.za/)

Actually, you may be right. Doing a bit more digging I found this product available: kawasaki 4 pin - 16pin obd2 adapter (http://www.autotestaid.com/productindex.asp?bigclassid=4).

This suggests an ODB2 scanner could be used and therefore Kawasaki are following the standards.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: jjnorc on February 11, 2012, 05:35:58 PM
Awsome Mod ;D

It was bothering me, having to lean up to change the display.

Thought I'd share some pics.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: C14-Pilot on February 11, 2012, 07:34:32 PM
Looks really nice!
Where did You attach the ground wire?
I have ordered the switch and will be doing this mod next week.

Thanks,
C14-Pilot
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: BudCallaghan on February 12, 2012, 11:07:07 AM
Awesome Mod ;D

It was bothering me, having to lean up to change the display.

Thought I'd share some pics.

Where did you acquire this nice looking switch?
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: jjnorc on February 12, 2012, 11:28:23 AM
Looks really nice!
Where did You attach the ground wire?
I have ordered the switch and will be doing this mod next week.

Thanks,
C14-Pilot

I simply ran a short peice of wire out of the bottom of the switch housing and clamped it to the handle bar.
I clamped it between the cluch clamp and the switch housing. I may drill and tap the handlebar inside the housing area in the future if I have problems loosing ground. A small machine screw would fit.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: jjnorc on February 12, 2012, 11:33:08 AM
Where did you acquire this nice looking switch?

It's the one from Radio Shack mentioned a few pages back in this thread.
Mounting it was the hardest part of the whole project. I put the retaining ring on the inside of the switch housing half and marked the center with a center-punch. I drilled a small pilot hole from the inside then used a step drill bit from the outside.

Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Kwikasfuki on February 12, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
Awsome Mod ;D

It was bothering me, having to lean up to change the display.

Thought I'd share some pics.

The switch looks part of the furniture. Good choice.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Bugnut on February 12, 2012, 07:55:01 PM
So easy, even a Gnome can do it. This was an awesome write up. I started by looking for a momentary switch on line. One of the first things I found was a trigger switch for a laser sight. Bing! I had one of those! Spare red dot laser that I wasn't using with a coiled wire and a simple velcro attachment point. Easy as 1,2,3 it's wired and working.

Thanks Lord Frederick!

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/bugnut_bucket/Kawabunga/IMG_6134.jpg)

Mike
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: C14-Pilot on February 16, 2012, 05:41:43 PM
Guys,

I finished this mod today.
I had been waiting on water proof switch to come in, It took about an hour
to finish the job once I got the switch.

Thanks everyone for all the different ideas!

later,
C14-Pilot
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: gildaguz on February 26, 2012, 05:11:01 PM
http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm (http://www.gamainc.com/site/epage/128634_941.htm)         Just installed today.
Have to order a second switch, did damage the first one when soldering i believe did apply too much heat
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on February 26, 2012, 09:27:16 PM
Have to order a second switch, did damage the first one when soldering i believe did apply too much heat
I did the same thing, the base got soft and one of the tabs just fell out. Second try was good. Doesn't take much heat!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: MGvalerio on February 27, 2012, 08:18:17 AM
 Questo il mio inter ruttore  con positivo e pure negativo provenienti dal circuito scheda del display.
This is my inter switch to positive and negative well from the circuit board of the display.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/rjqdd0.jpg)


MGvalerio.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Huero on April 25, 2012, 12:00:35 AM
I wonder if any of the guys that wired to the flash to pass button have had any problems???
I was worried after reading that the ftp button had 12v on one side and then a ground that had some positibe volts sometimes on the other.

I would rather wire to the ftp button if it doesnt cause any issues.

Thanks,
Huero
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OregonLAN on April 25, 2012, 10:15:32 AM
I wonder if any of the guys that wired to the flash to pass button have had any problems???
I was worried after reading that the ftp button had 12v on one side and then a ground that had some positibe volts sometimes on the other.

I would rather wire to the ftp button if it doesnt cause any issues.

Thanks,
Huero

It seems a little strange, but this is how they typically wire controls for most motorcycles:

12V of "signaling" power (low amperage) goes to one end of the switch directly from the ECU. A ground wire goes to the other end. When a button or switch is pressed, "signaling" power is sent directly to ground through the switch. The ECU has circuitry in it that detects a short and triggers a relay (solid state) to supply large amounts of power to the horn, lights, etc. Because power always travels the path of least resistance, the signaling power never travels "up" the ground wire and instead ends at the switch.

Now, here lies your dilemma...

The switch, isolated from the ECU, would control the display without problems. However, because the ECU is continually feeding 12v of power into the other side of the switch, that power would be continually fed to the display circuity while the button wasn't being pressed. More than likely it would fry the circuitry as most PLCs are low voltage...
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Huero on April 28, 2012, 09:35:24 AM
Thanks Oregonlan,
I wonder if I can just unplug the 12v side of the switch and solder that wire to the circuit board. I never use the flash to pass button anyway.
I notice on the new bikes, the flash to pass button is now a "mode" button. 

Thanks for any suggestions and help

Huero
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: OregonLAN on April 28, 2012, 10:42:32 AM
Thanks Oregonlan,
I wonder if I can just unplug the 12v side of the switch and solder that wire to the circuit board. I never use the flash to pass button anyway.
I notice on the new bikes, the flash to pass button is now a "mode" button. 

Thanks for any suggestions and help

Huero

Yeah, that would work fine. Just make sure you insulate it from shorting out...
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: momo65 on April 28, 2012, 11:41:22 AM
nicely done, i don't have the guts to do anything like that, specially with electronic stuff, but it is nice.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: oldnslo on April 29, 2012, 02:38:07 PM
This mod is for the 2007 - 2009 models. The later models have this functionality already available.

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This info was somewhat lost during the server crash here, so hopefully this will help.            Thank you very much for detailed instructions,got off my butt and went to garage and completed it in about 2 hrs. Instead of installing a separate switch, I used the ptp switch, as I never use it anyway..I just cut the wires to the ptp switch and soldered in the wire you  illustrated in your post.I just grounded the other half of the switch to the handlebar, and eureka, it worked. I never would have tried this without your post as I am too stupid to figure it out for myself..Thanks again :chugbeer: :goodpost: :) :) :) :) :)

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Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 30, 2012, 05:25:40 AM
Yeah, that would work fine. Just make sure you insulate it from shorting out...

Exactly.  Water can get into the switch housing and temporarily short the switch.  I've slathered mine with dielectric grease which protects it from water.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Huero on May 23, 2013, 11:33:35 PM
I know this is an old thread.
I finally did this mod. I used the flash to pass switch and grounded to the blk/yellow horn wire. Man, it's nice. No problems,
Thanks to all for help.

Huero
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 24, 2013, 04:01:44 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: robertv on December 10, 2015, 09:24:03 AM
Apologize for replying to an old thread... Just wanted to add I did this excellent mod on my 08 machine! Love finding mods or farkles like this.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: maxtog on December 10, 2015, 02:50:22 PM
Apologize for replying to an old thread... Just wanted to add I did this excellent mod on my 08 machine! Love finding mods or farkles like this.

Despite that the forum software complains about posting to an old thread, there is nothing wrong with doing so.  Makes far more sense than starting another duplicate thread!

It is a neat mod for the older 2008/2009 models and it is very convenient to have a handlebar-mounted control.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Flyteof4 on January 04, 2016, 09:52:45 AM
I just completed this mod using the high beam flash button. Amazing!  Excellent directions too. Thanks so much to the OP for taking the time to document and post this.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: freebird6 on January 04, 2016, 01:33:44 PM
Funny, found myself leaning forward to push the buttons the other day on the new bike and had to laugh. Habits from the 08 still making me lean up despite the switch on the handlebar. Gaaaahhhh.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: SVonhof on September 11, 2019, 10:30:52 PM
FYI, Photobucket is continuing it's downward spiral. Your images in the first post are not visible. I suggest https://postimages.org/ instead.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: maxtog on September 12, 2019, 05:46:17 AM
FYI, Photobucket is continuing it's downward spiral. Your images in the first post are not visible. I suggest https://postimages.org/ instead.

It is much preferred that users appropriately resize the photos (to something like 1920x1080) and just upload (attach) them to their postings, here.  That way they will never disappear (well, unless the board disappears, and then it REALLY doesn't matter).
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Conrad on September 12, 2019, 06:52:06 AM
FYI, Photobucket is continuing it's downward spiral. Your images in the first post are not visible. I suggest https://postimages.org/ instead.

That's a 7 year old post.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: SVonhof on September 12, 2019, 08:11:58 AM
That's a 7 year old post.
I know.
Doesn't hurt to mention it though.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: maxtog on September 12, 2019, 03:57:47 PM
I know.  Doesn't hurt to mention it though.

Lots of good info in old posts.  I always try to resurrect an old but relevant thread rather than creating a new one.  But it is unfortunate when people post links to photos rather than uploading them.  Lots of important information is then lost over time.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: robertv on September 12, 2019, 04:36:51 PM
I may have some of my pics when I found this thread and did the mod. I'll see if I can find and upload those.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: Rubber_Snake on September 13, 2019, 12:18:38 AM
I may have some of my pics when I found this thread and did the mod. I'll see if I can find and upload those.
I would certainly appreciate that.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: lather on September 13, 2019, 06:35:03 AM
If you use Chrome there is a Photobucket Hotlink Fix extension. The pictures display as intended.
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: PH14 on September 13, 2019, 11:03:20 AM
If you use Chrome there is a Photobucket Hotlink Fix extension. The pictures display as intended.

The photography forums I belong to have pretty much banned photobucket. It is not an outright ban, but their service is highly frowned upon, and they strongly discourage its use.

I stopped using it when they originally locked everything up unless you paid, effectively holding users' images hostage. They did change that policy after the outrage that followed, but they never did get back to what they were. I still had images on Photobucket until recently. They sent me an email saying I was over their limit, despite the fact I was way under their limit. They then said I went over their bandwidth limits for their free accounts, despite not using the service since their initial debacle.

I was traveling at the time and told them not to worry, I would delete all my images and account when I returned, telling them why I no longer use their service, and that though I am a photographer, and gladly pay for hosting services, I would never pay for theirs after what they did. They kept sending emails saying I don't have to delete my images or account. After repeated emails detailing why myself and other photographers dislike their service, they finally understood. They won't change, and I won't go to any machinations like switching browsers to see an image hosted by Photobucket. It is my hope they go out of business.

In the end, I deleted all my images, but decided to keep the account open to simply take up space. I thought about putting a number of images, up to the limit, all with text describing why I dislike the service, but that would probably be ridiculous and not worth the effort.  :D
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: robertv on September 13, 2019, 02:29:58 PM
Ok found the pics, but need to resize them. Just to confirm, is 1920x1080 the max size to post here? Or what's the suggested minimum size?

After a few years of doing this, mod is still working great (knocks on wood). Really helpful on the 1st gen models (08-09) of cycling the computer screen!


I would certainly appreciate that.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Onboard computer display mod
Post by: maxtog on September 13, 2019, 03:05:59 PM
Ok found the pics, but need to resize them. Just to confirm, is 1920x1080 the max size to post here? Or what's the suggested minimum size?

The forum will accept 4 attachments per post, with a maximum total size 6MB, maximum individual size 3MB per attachment.  So you can't tell by just resolution, because quality comes into play.  In reality, it is unlikely that anyone would need most photos larger than 1280x1024 (4:3) or 1920x1080 (16:9) (around 1 to 1.5 megapixels) unless there is a HUGE amount of sharp detail and they need to zoom in.  So I think that is an appropriate guideline to use.

It can actually be annoying when 5+ megapixel photos are posted because they take much longer to download.  Why people do this (upload crazy-huge photos) is they typically don't know how to resize the images- it is something I wish the forum software would just do automatically.  Oh well, it is what it is!