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Offline Jim H

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2014, 04:39:32 PM »
  Coming in late I know.....sorry.....just wondering if anyone else has tried Randy's idea and how it has worked out so far.  Any issues....seems to me keeping the anti lock on both wheels without being linked would be a home run.  Not sure what was meant by liability.....my 94 vmax with its stock brakes should have been a liability!  LOL  That is why I put R1 brakes all the way around with FJR masters.....if what is happening here is just to unlink, I would think it would be fine.  But....again,  late comer I know...LOL

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2014, 11:53:11 PM »
I had some Japanese engineers unlink my C14 brakes for me... in 2008  8)
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2014, 04:12:14 AM »
Hopefully they weren't the ones that initially aimed the headlights.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2014, 07:10:28 AM »
actually, there was a chap that did an internship in my company until last year. He previously worked in Kawasaki Germany and his task was to un-crate the bikes in Cologne when they arrived to Germany. He was one of those that aimed the lights, he might have actually put together my bike and done exactly that  :D
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2014, 07:21:06 AM »
I had some Japanese engineers unlink my C14 brakes for me... in 2008  8)

Do you have ABS? And if yes, does the ABS still work front and back?

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2014, 07:29:07 AM »
uh, what year did they link the brakes?  ::)

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2014, 08:17:24 AM »
Do you have ABS? And if yes, does the ABS still work front and back?

Rhino, the gen 1 bikes 08/09 never had linked brakes.  They did have optional ABS.  Mine has ABS.  In fact, there is a design PDF that says Kwakers purposely did not link them.  What happened with the gen 2's to change that thinking on Kwakers part I have no idea.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #87 on: August 29, 2014, 09:00:50 AM »
Rhino, the gen 1 bikes 08/09 never had linked brakes.  They did have optional ABS.  Mine has ABS.  In fact, there is a design PDF that says Kwakers purposely did not link them.  What happened with the gen 2's to change that thinking on Kwakers part I have no idea.

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2014, 10:33:43 AM »
here ya go.... :doh:

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2014, 02:26:44 PM »
I NEVER use my rear brake unless I'm under 20mph , so I have NO Idea what all the fuss is about, has anyone heard of down shifting ::) 
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2014, 03:00:19 PM »
I NEVER use my rear brake unless I'm under 20mph , so I have NO Idea what all the fuss is about, has anyone heard of down shifting ::) 
THAT is why we have a slipper clutch ... for DOWN shifting  .

Not trying to get into the "I do/don't use brakes" argument....just trying to followup with others to see if they did the "fix" that Randy came up with......and by the way,  our linked brakes are a problem.  I downshift, use front or back or both depending on road conditions, speed etc.....if you don't use your rear brake,  just disconnect it then (insert sarcasm and smile)????  See how this gets stupid fast.  So, no offense meant,  just trying to stay on topic....thanks everyone. 

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2014, 03:03:28 PM »
I NEVER use my rear brake unless I'm under 20mph , so I have NO Idea what all the fuss is about,

Me neither.  The linking can be increased or decreased (high and low mode) which is even remembered across battery pulls, and deactivates automatically at low speed.  But some people want complete control over the breaking, which the linking removes.  You supposedly can still trail brake effectively with them linked (especially on "low").  Yet I agree with them that it is annoying Kawasaki didn't have an "off" option instead of just "high" and "low" linking... it is a bit baffling.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2014, 03:22:24 PM »
I'm actually thoroughly surprised no one has seen/ posted this video on how the linked brake system works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRqSTkwQRMM

That said, it's SUPID that Kawi thinks we need a computer system to determine proper braking ratio for us... It's not like we have front and rear drum brakes anymore... What if I want more rear brake to steer the bike into a corner, but still want to drag the front slightly?  even after almost 12k miles on this bike, I still go back to what I'm used to of not having a linked system, and getting surprised when I touch the rear brake.  And I downshift like a mofo when slowing down grabbing a handful of front and rear.

I would like to keep the ABS, as it's a huge safety thing on the street, but lose the links!
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2014, 03:52:09 PM »
I would like to keep the ABS, as it's a huge safety thing on the street, but lose the links!

I don't necessarily think they they need to lose the linking option as much as they need to just offer an "off" option.  The sad part is that it is simply a software option that would cost essentially zero to add.  In fact, they could probably offer a reprogram retrofit.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2014, 04:02:44 PM »
I don't necessarily think they they need to lose the linking option as much as they need to just offer an "off" option.  The sad part is that I believe that is simply a software option that would cost essentially zero to add (unless the "low" and "high" mode is not really variable, which it might not be... in which case it would require a hardware change, but probably not a very big one).

Lol, thats what I meant.  The ability to shut it off.  I know it has its purposes for some peoples style of riding, but not for me. 



Here's another cool link I just came across.  Haven't fully looked through it but it looks pretty informative. 

http://www.kawasaki-cp.khi.co.jp/technology/chassis/tech_k-act_abs_e.html


EDIT:  It almost looks like if we can disable the pumps, we can alleviate the issue...
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2014, 08:03:51 PM »
I'm actually thoroughly surprised no one has seen/ posted this video on how the linked brake system works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRqSTkwQRMM

That said, it's SUPID that Kawi thinks we need a computer system to determine proper braking ratio for us... It's not like we have front and rear drum brakes anymore... What if I want more rear brake to steer the bike into a corner, but still want to drag the front slightly?  even after almost 12k miles on this bike, I still go back to what I'm used to of not having a linked system, and getting surprised when I touch the rear brake.  And I downshift like a mofo when slowing down grabbing a handful of front and rear.

I would like to keep the ABS, as it's a huge safety thing on the street, but lose the links!

Slick video. Makes it seem like we all need it to be able to ride. Problem is it is so abrupt and unpredictable in the application, that bothers me. Both my Gold Wing and FJR1300 were nearly seamless in the linkage.

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #96 on: August 30, 2014, 09:12:24 AM »
I can see the value of my 08 going up.
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« Reply #97 on: August 30, 2014, 02:23:25 PM »
I can see the value of my 08 going up.

You have better chance of having another drink and watching your blood pressure going UP ::)
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #98 on: August 30, 2014, 04:26:39 PM »
  I am amazed no one else has chimed in on trying this.....so much original feedback.  Not that I don't believe Randy, I would just
like to hear from others reporting positive results.  Where are you folks????????

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #99 on: August 30, 2014, 05:13:55 PM »
You have better chance of having another drink and watching your blood pressure going UP ::)

Drinking actually lowers my BP...which I'm doing now.
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