Author Topic: Stator Problem? or Precursor to fried Battery and electrical meltdown  (Read 5586 times)

Offline fartymarty

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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #90 on: February 12, 2018, 07:41:34 am »
  I will be spending the rest of the week tearing the bike down and removing the fuel tank as time permits.

fyi: You can get quite a bit of access just by loosening the tank and propping it up with pieces of wood and thereby not risking fuel leakage. You might want to start with that as it's fairly easy to do that way. While you have it off or up, you might want to start by checking the secondary frame ground as seen in the attached photo and labelled as #12.

You seem to know your way around a multimeter so forgive me if I'm forgetting or stating the obvious....but do you know yet why the things that are not working as to is it (1) a grounding issue or (2) a power not getting there issue? Chances are it's one or the other and not both. Getting that knowledge up front would eliminate perhaps 50% of the wire chasing. If you haven't determined that yet then I'd start with the headlight relays, are they clicking when you change the hi beam switch? ...are they getting power? ...do they have a ground connection? They are up high so they should be easy to get to and should have power as soon as you bump the starter switch. Starting with them might save a lot of disassembly.
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2018, 11:59:57 am »
I think I want to remove the fuel tank simply because I want to put my hands on the ABS pump - It's underneath the tank right?  It is throwing codes and I want to look at the electronics.  The codes are conflicting (High and low power input voltage) so I guess I'm a little conflicted too.  There are wiring harness bits beneath the tank also.  I just want to take a look-see.

As far as my current indications are concerned with the other non-operational stuff (ABS, headlights, turn indicators, Speedo, Trip Odo) I don't know if it is a power supply or return issue yet.  The Speedo does activate during the initial boot up of the cluster so that portion does have a complete circuit... It just doesn't indicate speed while riding which could be a completely different current path.

Most importantly I am resigned to the fact that this stuff is now showing up as I begin to replace known bad components and begin to recover.  What was hidden/masked by the complete deadness of the machine previously is coming to light.  This could take a while.  So I'm gonna remove most of the plastic now instead of piece meal just to get it out of the way.

My initial look at the grounding blocks hasn't yielded any cruddy ones but I will know where they are now.  It is such a universal system that it only makes sense to verify it sooner that later.
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2018, 12:30:23 pm »
Yes, the ABS unit is under the tank, under a cover.  Putting your hands on probably won't reveal much.  There is one large harness connector and the diagnostic connectors are located under the seat, just behind item 15 in Marty's pic.  I take it you haven't cleared the stored codes as mentioned earlier and identified current active codes - or have you?
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2018, 01:11:09 pm »
Yes, the ABS unit is under the tank, under a cover.  Putting your hands on probably won't reveal much.  There is one large harness connector and the diagnostic connectors are located under the seat, just behind item 15 in Marty's pic.  I take it you haven't cleared the stored codes as mentioned earlier and identified current active codes - or have you?

The mechanic who did the KDS3 work with the new KIPASS ECU said that he attempted to clear the ABS codes a few times.  I didn't even attempt do do it myself.  I started looking at the other stuff that wasn't working.  They might be related so I guess I'll find out as I start taking bites out of this elephant.
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2018, 01:19:01 pm »
Good luck with it Tree, I sincerely hope it all works out.

Regarding clearing ABS fault codes, it's not done with KDS3 but the pair of wires located under the seat I referred to above.  The simple procedure is in the factory service manual, which you no doubt you.
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #95 on: February 17, 2018, 05:27:33 pm »
I went through and verified all of the Joint Connectors that I could find and they are all nice and clean.  Resistance to ground is good.  From what I can tell the circuit to and from all of the components is complete and not degraded.

I had to ask myself the simple question about lights, you know, when they don't light up?  Q: Are the light bulbs OK?  All of my headlights, city lights, turn indicating lights, and licence plate light were all blown.  The only thing that saved the brake light was the fact that it is LED.  I also isolated that abnormal buzzing noise that presented itself when I actuated the turn indicators or the emergency flashers.  I originally thought it was coming from the KIPASS ECU that I just replaced - it was actually coming from the turn signal relay which is just below the ECU, to the right, behind the plastic.  I feel better about my new ECU for now.  Hindsight being 20-20 I will never forget this lesson about basic electricity.  P = I X E.  In order for Power to remain constant, when the voltage in the electrical system went way down, the current in every device went way up.  Those components that were protected by a fuse were somewhat protected but the light bulbs had a hot lunch.  Inductive devices got their asses handed to them.  What's that?  Can you smell the burning coils?

Since I will be replacing all of the light bulbs now I was wondering what the latest and greatest replacements would be.  I have browsed through some of the posts where upgrades were made.  I have also read some about the turn signal relay and possible upgrades to that.

I'm not out of the woods yet but I think I can see a little better now.

What I would like to know from you guys is what is the best recommendations for replacement bulbs/relay and where can I get them?  Thanks in advance.  I am always happy to share my misery if it helps out some other poor schmuck.
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #96 on: February 17, 2018, 05:48:48 pm »
I would just use standard ones, but hey,  glad to read you're getting on top of it.   :chugbeer:
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #97 on: February 18, 2018, 09:03:37 am »
This is what I'd do, and what I did.

Excellent upgrade.

http://forum.cog-online.org/gixerhp-switchback-lights/switchback-lighting-deal!/
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #98 on: February 19, 2018, 07:25:59 pm »
Replacing headlights with original halogen type.  Don't feel the need for LED.  Maybe I will add something to the forks later...  I don't know yet: SYLVANIA 9003 (also fits H4) SilverStar High Performance Halogen Headlight Bulb, (Contains 2 Bulbs)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CO93RA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

City lights will be incandescent amber: Philips 168NA LongerLife Miniature Bulb, 2 Pack

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-168NA-LongerLife-Miniature-Bulb/dp/B0173MKAHA/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1519093391&sr=1-1&keywords=Philips+168NA+LongerLife+Miniature+Bulb%2C+2+Pack

Replacing the turn signal bulbs with LED: JDM ASTAR Super Bright 5730 Chipsets 7507 1156PY BAU15S LED Bulbs with Projector,Amber Yellow

https://www.amazon.com/iJDMTOY-Electronic-Flasher-Motorcycle-Signal/dp/B00RM26LXO/ref=sr_1_6?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1519092754&sr=1-6&refinements=p_89%3AiJDMTOY

Got a new electronic turn signal relay: iJDMTOY (1) 2-Pin Electronic LED Flasher Relay FIX Motorcycle LED Turn Signal Bulbs Hyper Flash Issue

https://www.amazon.com/iJDMTOY-Electronic-Flasher-Motorcycle-Signal/dp/B00RM26LXO/ref=sr_1_6?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1519092754&sr=1-6&refinements=p_89%3AiJDMTOY

Can it be true?  I don't need load resistors with this fancy new relay?  Please tell me I don't need to splice anything.  After what I've been through I'm afraid to go near any wires.   :P

p.s.  I've seen LED's out there on the U-tube that don't use separate load resistors.  It's about time they figured that one out!
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2018, 09:36:59 pm »
Replacing headlights with original halogen type.  Don't feel the need for LED.

I am pretty pleased with my HID -> LED conversion.  Not at bright as HID but much better pattern, more reliable, far less heat, no offgassing (which fouled a bit of the reflectors).  Not as good a pattern as the H4, which has more even coverage.

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City lights will be incandescent amber: Philips 168NA LongerLife Miniature Bulb, 2 Pack

EXTREMELY happy with my last JDM AStar LED city lights.  FINALLY brighter than yellow incandescent!

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Can it be true?  I don't need load resistors with this fancy new relay?  Please tell me I don't need to splice anything.  After what I've been through I'm afraid to go near any wires.   :P

When you are using a solid state flasher, there is no need for load resistors anymore- which waste tons of power, create lots of heat, have to be mounted somewhere safe, can fail, AND introduce more overall failure points in the system.  I love mine... just fantastic.  Unfortunately, they are not available easily for all vehicles.

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p.s.  I've seen LED's out there on the U-tube that don't use separate load resistors.  It's about time they figured that one out!

As far as I understand a design can INCLUDE load resistors in the wiring harness, but not in the bulb.  LED bulbs are severely impacted by heat, so a load resistor could not be integrated into the bulb and produce a bulb that is bright and will last...
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2018, 10:44:27 pm »

EXTREMELY happy with my last JDM AStar LED city lights.  FINALLY brighter than yellow incandescent!


I've read about your frustrations with LED brightness.  Are you saying that there is an LED City Light out there that you prefer to incandescent?!?  What do you have?  I still have time to upgrade those too!

This may be hard to believe but is worth a look: No Load Resistor LED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwjtMmGJN3M
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #101 on: February 20, 2018, 12:45:40 am »
I've read about your frustrations with LED brightness.  Are you saying that there is an LED City Light out there that you prefer to incandescent?!?  What do you have?  I still have time to upgrade those too!

This may be hard to believe but is worth a look: No Load Resistor LED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwjtMmGJN3M


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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #102 on: February 20, 2018, 05:16:00 am »

that guy is so bloody annoying!!

Yeah, he is.  Painfully annoying.  I also get annoyed with myself for falling in line with the next, latest, best, new/improved gadget that promises to make my life easier and is sooooo much better that what I already have in my hand.  Maybe the next, best thing in lighting is just what I need!!!  Maybe not.  Probably not.  I am thankful I'm not riding around with a gaslight!
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #103 on: February 20, 2018, 05:44:52 am »

that guy is so bloody annoying!!

You can say that again.  Anyway, I wouldn't buy them because I would expect their life to be much shorter.  Might be OK for a turn signal, since it is on so rarely... but marker lights and tail lights, no.
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Re: Stator Problem?
« Reply #104 on: February 20, 2018, 05:49:08 am »
You can say that again.  Anyway, I wouldn't buy them because I would expect their life to be much shorter.  Might be OK for a turn signal, since it is on so rarely... but marker lights and tail lights, no.

But you did make the leap to LED City Lights, right?  What did you go with if you don't mind me asking?
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