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Offline connie_rider

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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2012, 10:36:04 AM »
((How it works is a bit of a puzzle, I guess  when the top nut is tightened the fingers push down to keep the locking nut from turning)).

Correct. Top nut must be loosened/removed to adjust the Head bearings.

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« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 04:03:58 PM by connie_rider »

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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2012, 06:26:54 AM »
Thanks for that. So the locking tab tab doesn't have to be removed (or the tabs bent back) when adjusting the bearings as loosening the lock nut frees it up?

No need to remove the lock ring or bend tabs. But, as mentioned, the lock ring does prevent access to 2 of the 4 available notches for your tool to grab into.
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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2012, 03:31:54 PM »
I am going to install some drain plugs on the fork, so while I have it apart I may as well go thru the bearings too.
Normally just plain old wheel bearing grease.  I am sure others will chime in with better grease recommendations.
I use a clear synthetic grease on mine.

Why install drain plugs. Your bike has them already. It is the emulsion tube bolts ( fork cylinder ). Just use an air impact or electric impact gun to remove and install them ( I think it is a 10mm hex bolt). Very fast and easy but you need to pull the springs out to do it.
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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2012, 09:19:22 PM »
Maybe, but if I had the drain tubes I wouldn't have to take anything off, well, almost anything. Like this: http://www.cog-online.org/clubportal/clubstatic.cfm?clubID=1328&pubmenuoptID=30800

So if I take apart the front end to include looking at the bearings, should just plan on replacing them just for grits and shins?

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2012, 03:08:16 PM »
I would. You will need some tools that you may not have laying around. I did it without any of the Kaw specific tools, but I did use a bearing race driver (I wouldn't reccomend the hammer driven one like I used) and a HF bearing puller for the lower bearing. It was necessary to remove (destroy) the outer cage and rollers from the lower bearing for the tool to be able to grab. The steering stops prevent the HF tool from getting under the bearing the way it is intended to. To remove the lower race, I used a big tire iron (also Harbor Freight). It had a good bend in it to get around the "shelf" in the bottom of the steering tube. Inserting the lower bearing, the handle from a Craftsman jack was perfertly sized.

http://www.harborfreight.com/bearing-separator-and-puller-set-93980.html

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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2012, 06:13:53 PM »
I have this one:

http://www.powersportsplace.com/parts/ptm-pp2782/media/images

but this one looks way better: Tool is pulled through the steering tube until the flared ends snap in behind the race.
http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/44/54/280/1056/-/13986/Park-Tool-USA-Steering-Race-Remover


You need this to set the races. You could use a threaded rod and convert this into a press but I did not  see any need. It puts the race  in nice and straight if your careful
http://www.harborfreight.com/10-piece-bearing-race-and-seal-driver-set-95853.html
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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2012, 04:44:36 AM »
I have this one:

http://www.powersportsplace.com/parts/ptm-pp2782/media/images

but this one looks way better: Tool is pulled through the steering tube until the flared ends snap in behind the race.
http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/44/54/280/1056/-/13986/Park-Tool-USA-Steering-Race-Remover


You need this to set the races. You could use a threaded rod and convert this into a press but I did not  see any need. It puts the race  in nice and straight if your careful
http://www.harborfreight.com/10-piece-bearing-race-and-seal-driver-set-95853.html

Mike, Do you know if the flared tool is flared enough to get to the lower race, anyone here tried it? It does look simple and effective if it will work on our bikes. I used a similar race driver ("free" rental from O'Riely Auto), but think a threaded press type would have been better. My races started out crooked and it was difficult to drive them in straight, especially from below. It worked, I just think the threaded ones would be more accurate.
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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2012, 09:39:04 PM »
I have been looking at the Concours pdf manual. I find I am having a hard time trying to figure out what they are doing. I am a picture kind of guy and what they have there pretty much sucks, so maybe y'all can help me out here.

You need a tool like this one (http://www.powersportsplace.com/parts/ptm-pp2782/media/images) to remove the lower outer race. What about the upper?

There is also the lower inner race on the steering stem. How to get that one off?

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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2012, 05:07:31 AM »
You can use the same tool on the upper race, or a long drift pin or punch from below. The lower race is the tricky one due to the increase in diameter of the steering tube right at the race, it makes the edge of the race tough to grab. The lower race on the steering head is a friction fit, thats the one I used the HF bearing puller I linked previously to remove.
http://www.harborfreight.com/bearing-separator-and-puller-set-93980.html
In order to be able to use the tool. I had to remove the outer cage and rollers from the assembly, and the tool was able to grab the lip at the top of the remaining race. On page 3 of this thread I have some pics of what I had to do for the lower bearing specifically  http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=9891.15
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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2012, 12:58:00 PM »
Mike, Do you know if the flared tool is flared enough to get to the lower race, anyone here tried it? It does look simple and effective if it will work on our bikes. I used a similar race driver ("free" rental from O'Riely Auto), but think a threaded press type would have been better. My races started out crooked and it was difficult to drive them in straight, especially from below. It worked, I just think the threaded ones would be more accurate.

If you are asking about the fixed "cup" portion, the lower can't be popped out with that "spead tube" type tool, there isn't sufficient exposed surface for it to work.
The factory tool uses a small blade like anuallar chisel edge on a split shaft, which wedges into the groove that exists only due to the radiused edge on the i.d. of the face and the i.d. of the cup , which is the same diameter as the head tube's bore unfortunatly.

if you have access to a mig welder, you can take a big washer. and weld it in the conical area of the cup from below, and use a drift from the top, same but opposite for the top cup.

the factory tools, and methods with photos for replacing both, are in an artical I wrote for the Concourier, entitled "Shake, Rattle, & Roll", and can be found in the COG online Concourier library.

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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2012, 03:28:02 PM »
Do you know which version of the Concourier it is in?

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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2012, 03:19:03 PM »
SPRING 07' ?

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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2012, 11:00:14 AM »
Cool, thanks.

Does anybody have an idea what the cost for the dealer to do the bearing? I am just curious as I already know I wouldn't have the money for it but I am interested in the savings.

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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2012, 05:01:51 PM »
Cool, thanks.

Does anybody have an idea what the cost for the dealer to do the bearing? I am just curious as I already know I wouldn't have the money for it but I am interested in the savings.
One  Kawasaki dealer here said that nothing ever goes wrong and they never need adjusting.
Hmm.. that tells me they   either don't want  to do it  or don't know how to do it.
Maybe that is why they went under and closed.
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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2012, 06:11:50 AM »
Just the way money is right now I am probably not going to try and replace my bearings. Besides the money I also really have no problem with that part of my steering. What I have a problem is with my spring which I have a replacement for. I will have to buy a tool to tighten it but I really can't afford right now to buy the bearing, a bearing puller and Driver. So I will open it up and clean and re-lube them.

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« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2012, 04:36:58 AM »
Just the way money is right now I am probably not going to try and replace my bearings. Besides the money I also really have no problem with that part of my steering. What I have a problem is with my spring which I have a replacement for. I will have to buy a tool to tighten it but I really can't afford right now to buy the bearing, a bearing puller and Driver. So I will open it up and clean and re-lube them.

I get the money thing, all of us do. The bearing can be had from Murph for $36.50, the driver can be rented for "free" from most retail auto parts places, and some of the better places may also have the puller. Not proud of this, but I bought the puller from HF, gently used it, repackaged it and returned it. No questions asked.
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Re: Adjusting head bearings.
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2012, 06:18:25 AM »
That is just naughty  ;)