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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: timsatx on May 30, 2011, 09:30:33 PM
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Interesting show tonight. There is a head-to-head between Jr. and Sr. with both building a Cadillac bike. I hope Jr. kicks Sr.s butt. So far the bike looks sharp. Sr. is always saying the Jr. can't design worth a damn, and then tonight he was saying how Jason is a real designer, not Jr., yet OCC became popular 2 years before Jason joined the team.
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Sorry T,
I won't waste my satilite time on that show. Don't care for the bikes, the people or the concept. And when they burned a Connie for fun, well that sealed the deal.
Garbage, I'd rather watch re-runs of Oprah.
Ride safe all.
Greg
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Not sure why you responded then, but thanks for the input.
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SISF needs to do his own OCC.
Orlando Custom Connies! I don't think he's near Orlando, though...
I'd watch that show! Plus, he could throw in his Voyager work for variety... Imagine the drama that would ensue with Steve versus the Voyager guys!
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Just another scripted dope opera.
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I used to have some respect for Sr., I have been pretty heavy into lifting and always gave the guy some kudos, but the way he acts towards his son, alway taking cheap shots rather than let the bikes speak for themselves. He's a dick! Also, he may have run the business but he couldn't have done it without JR! I think it's funny how when he turns a wrench they make it out to be such a bid deal. I hope JR kicks his azz in business! For a father to turn on his son and act the way he does is inexcusable. PAUL SR's favorite letter "I"! what a douche!---I am also curious to if he is sick, he looks horrible in the last 6 months.
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Can't. Stand. This. Crap!
I wouldn't let either one of them within a mile of any bike I owned.
They "create" (there are designers/builders in the background who never get any credit) unrideable customs for people who have more money than brains. It's all scripted and horribly fake.
Dope opera is correct.
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That's cool, even though I wasn't asking for who liked the show. This thread is more for those that actually have an interest in the show.
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I enjoy seeing what they build even if they are expensive and not any good for just getting out and riding. I think of the bikes that they build as pieces of art that are very neat to observe and listen to. But as far as the soap opera portion of the show goes, I could do without that. If their beef is real, I hope that the two of them can grow up and get past their problems, not for the business but because a father and son should not act like that.
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how can anyone say that their beef isn't real? it's pretty damnd expensive hiring legal teams to sue each other and having it go all the way to the state supreme court all the while having your series cancelled and the economy tank.
i watched the build-off and jr's bike screams cadillac while the other says...? i like how they took parts off of the car and put them on the bike and i really like that exhaust they've done. i wonder how they are going to judge the bikes? if caddy says bike a is sr's and bike b is jr's, i am betting jr wins because a lot of people around the country who watch the show are pretty disappointed (to put it mildly) with sr's behavior. if there is a vote and no one knows who built which, well then, it looks like jr's bike wins again. but something's telling me that it's going to be a 'draw'.
personally, while jr > jason in design and concept, neither sr nor jr would be able to do squat without rick (sr) or vinnie (jr). those two are the ones who make it all happen.
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Reality TV has consumed the lion's share of today's programming... I think thats sad. However, in it's day, OCC was an entertaining show and helped create, well, an empire.
I lost all interest when 'the Pauls' got into this pissy kitty fight. The nasty fighting ahs taken it's toll on the show, the business, and obviously Sr's health.
It's too bad- I thought some of the bikes they put together (and I say put together because I think THAT is what they were really good at) were well thought out, definitely unique, despite being less 'functional' and over priced.
This Cadillac project / competition might just get some ex-viewers to return and check it out.
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Garbage, I'd rather watch re-runs of Oprah.
I don't like OCC, but it's a hell of lot better than Oprah re-runs :battle:
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I used to watch it some years ago a fair amount. Only seen a little of the new series, haven't cared to see more since the show is more about the rivalry than building bikes these days.
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So.... Booger, are you then saying that you only watched Oprah 1st run shows?
Uh huh, that's what I thought!!! ;D
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I got a dish BECAUSE of OCC. My buddy used to rag on me that I should see this, I should see that on OCC. I always found it interesting how they had TONS and TONS of fab stuff and see them going at a fender with a 4.5" grinder and a cutting disk. Well I still have the dish, but OCC's novelty wore off rather fast.....
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Here's my two cents. Although I do think that parts of the show are scripted (you have to know some of the things in advance), for the most part, it's not. The film crew usually gets to a location about a half hour before they arrive. Then they have to act like it's a surprise visit. Well it might have been a half hour before. But some is not.
- The laws suits are real!
-Paul Jr. built some pretty nice bikes long before Vinnie and Rick showed up. He does just fine. But does rely more on the help. ( I guess it comes with business and the shows demands.
- Sr. use to be a nice guy and friendly. But since he got the attitude that he is totally responsible for OCC success, he has become a less likable person. He has alienated all three of his sons, Jr., Danny and Mike, and from what I hear, his daughter, Cristin, as well. Although I do think he's been reaching out to them all trying to make amens.
-Vinnie and Cody still run V force customs right around the corner form PJD.
-Mike does have a art studio in Montgomery.
I know quite a bit more than the average bear because I live right down the road from all this action. And see and talk to these people now and then! Since they are kind of my neighbors!
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well tell mikey to take a damned shower and groom himself. sheesh! :)
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On the cadillac bike bikes -
JR is kicking Sr's ass on this build. Remember that the caddy is GM's forefront tech car. Jr's bike has USD forks, air ride soft tail that drops the bike onto the exhaust manifold to take the place of the kickstand, and the rear fender IS artwork. Sr's bike is nothing but a stretched hardtail with nitrous. He went after the power part of the caddy, but left all the suspension, brakes and technology out. JR is going to be the BIG winner of this one, unless Sr is actually building a whole nother bike off camera, cus the one he's building now is just more of the same. Steve
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The law suits may be real but have ya thought the show's producers are paying the bill?
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They are having a split up gee who put the bugs in everyones butt. Seems if somethings going good, some body's gotta mess it up. Sounds all to familiar
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The law suits may be real but have ya thought the show's producers are paying the bill?
Actually when this started two years ago. Jr. was appearing on the show doing stupid stuff, just to appear. That was because he had to under threat of breech of contract. The law suit was going on when Jr. spent little time on the show. The law suit was going on when their was no show (it was cancelled). And it continues.
The thing that made this show take off in the first place is that it's a real (you could say dysfunctional) family at it's best and worst. Like I said, yes somethings are always going to be planned out and scripted on any and every show to some extent. But do you really think that everybody would miss their oldest son's first wedding just for ratings on a TV show? Because Sr. was not there!
You don't have to like the people on the show. You don't have to like or ride the style bikes they design and craft on the show. But to say it isn't real isn't right either.
But to be totally fair. Some of the show has to be scripted somewhat. They have to know some of the things that will happen before hand. But they have no way of knowing how things will turn out or how they will look after the hours of footage is edited to make an interesting show. But the shows real no holds barred platform is what has always made it interesting for a lot of viewers. I personally haven't liked a lot of the bikes Sr. and his crew have turned out. But I appreciate what it takes to make them. Even if I don't plan on owning or riding one. But if I was, I would definetly go with one of Jr.'s designs. They just appeal to me much better. But I probably would still never spend the money on one of his either!
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Sorry T,
I won't waste my satilite time on that show. Don't care for the bikes, the people or the concept. And when they burned a Connie for fun, well that sealed the deal.
Garbage, I'd rather watch re-runs of Oprah.Ride safe all.
Greg
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Who says the lawsuit hasn't been scripted?
It's part of the show and they are being paid to use it in the show.
Reality TV shows aren't.
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I just think the digs he (Paul Sr.) throws at his kids are so uncalled for and show what a real DOUCHE BAG he is. example: when they went to Alaska on the crab boat, as soon as he got off he had to say "Junior and Mikey wouldn't have had the balls to do this", give me a break what an AZZCLOWN! Go tell everyone how great you are Senior ya DICK!
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Ah, he was only saying what was in the script. It's called "product placement". Sr was on one show to promote another.
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Script or not, they ARE his biological children aren't they? -or is that 'scripted' too? Talk sh1t about your own children, 'throwing them under the bus' for what? Just to bolster some ratings... yea, Sr. IS a total douche.
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And Jr's participation in the whole thing makes him Sr's equal.
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Equal? Yes! They are both a couple of GREEDY DRAMA QUEENS...they just like to :stirpot:
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ED ZACHARY! They are being paid to do this!
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You have to admit though that they make some killer machines!! My god have you seen the crap that they put on those bikes? If you wrecked you would get skewered, stabbed, punctured, sliced, diced, cut, smashed, crushed, harpooned, macerated, burned.....etc. My first time watching this show was during the first days of the Iraq War. They had an American Chopper marathon and I thought "lets watch and see how they build choppers". Shortly into viewing the show all he!! broke out between sr. and jr. and I thought WTH. But initially I was hooked and watched regularly in the early days. But every bike build had the same sequence of events. An idea, some sheet metal work, factory frame, motor and drive train, jr. is late and lazy, deadline, someone else does the painting, chroming, bike comes together and sr. says " I knew Pauly could pull it off". Got boring real fast.
And now it seems a little more interesting again and Pauly's bikes do have the edge if you are into art on 2 wheels with little attention to technology and performance.
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yup, and what really got me was that whatever design element jr wanted on a bike (and sr didn't) that caused a fight in the first place, was always praised by sr at the end.
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So.... Booger, are you then saying that you only watched Oprah 1st run shows?
Uh huh, that's what I thought!!! ;D
The day you see me watching Oprah is, oh well, not going to happen........
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I wouldn't waste my time watching Orka either, although you have to admit, she did build an empire. I was just yankin your chain a bit ;)
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My god have you seen the crap that they put on those bikes? If you wrecked you would get skewered, stabbed, punctured, sliced, diced, cut, smashed, crushed, harpooned, macerated, burned.....etc
And that's before you hit the pavement. :o
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You guys don't really think they ride them more than just a short distance, do you? ;D
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It is more interesting lately to watch. I liked Sr's oldschool bobber he did in the earlier times. The Caddilac bike that Jr is building looks like it will be off the hook!
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Thanks for the insight into the Teutel feud Capn'Bob, it is cool to hear from a "local" what really happens.
I really like the bike Jr is building except for the exhaust. I like the idea of using the air ride to rest the bike on the pipes for a "sidestand" but the quad pipes just does not go with the Cadillac theme. The rear fender and tank on the other hand will be very close to mimicking the CTS-V. I will give it to Jason at OCC for creating a fairly good looking bike though. The frame was hideous but the tail pipes and grille mesh by the tank look very nice. At least Jr's will be able to be riden since it has air ride, where the OCC bike will be about as comfortable as a bed of nails.
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several months ago i did some searching around the net concerning the jr/sr lawsuit and came across a whole lot of interesting sh1t. the steel mill run by dan was being sued for breach of contract and jr/sr were involved in the sense that they raided the equipment from the one plant and moved it to another to avoid paying restitution.
i also came across vinnie's and cody's business venture...found lots of video and stuff about them. haven't really heard much else since.
jason, christian, and that bald-head skank are total f**ks and i wouldn't mind seeing the building crash on them. rick is about the only decent man there.
jr's caddy bike looks like it'll totally rock. i like the 4-tip exhaust, and while the caddy itself doesn't have such a setup, i think its uniqueness enhances the overall design and appearence.
jason's bike looks nothing like a caddy...and as i was watching that episode again, i noticed that the engine + nitrous would put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 200hp...and yet they put a SINGLE disc in front! wow.
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This about the best ride I've every seen with Paul Jr and the OCC gang handle;
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i like my tails a loft softer (and without silicone).
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Another thing, did you check out Sr.'s typing the letter to Jr. He cain't spell worth a fart. Everything that I have used for typing with always points out misspellings but I never saw his program do that.
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That ride even comes with the 5mph bumpers! or would that be air bags?
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Another thing, did you check out Sr.'s typing the letter to Jr. He cain't spell worth a fart. Everything that I have used for typing with always points out misspellings but I never saw his program do that.
I paused the show when the email was being shown and my wife and I laughed so hard because SR types worse than he talks.
Everytime he does an unveil there is at least 20 "ummm" and "uhhh"
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I paused the show when the email was being shown and my wife and I laughed so hard because SR types worse than he talks.
Everytime he does an unveil there is at least 20 "ummm" and "uhhh"
I know a current Prez that does the same thing when there is no teleprompter...oops! should have posted this in the Arena :o
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The discovery channel is allowing you to vote on which bike you think is better. I just went on and looked at the voting. The results on who built the better bike so far:
Sr. - SENIOR 3.96% (8,674 votes)
Jr. - JUNIOR 96.04% (210,174 votes)
Total Votes: 218,848
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/charity-auction-poll.html (http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/charity-auction-poll.html)
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The discovery channel is allowing you to vote on which bike you think is better. I just went on and looked at the voting. The results on who built the better bike so far:
Sr. - SENIOR 3.96% (8,674 votes)
Jr. - JUNIOR 96.04% (210,174 votes)
Total Votes: 218,848
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/charity-auction-poll.html (http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/american-chopper/charity-auction-poll.html)
Make that 210,175 ;D
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I liked the motor in seniors bike but 160 hp + 50 hp for nitrous-----Hell you couldn't even use that on that platform!!!!
The clincher was the "air" suspension on Paul Jr's bike....That blew seniors bike out of the water!!!!!!
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I like Juniors design the best, but I am pretty confident that his domination over Senior on the voting isnt just bike related. ;)
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What will Sr. say after the freight train runs him over on this?
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I thought it was great how Jr's team whipped them on the auto track too...hahahaha Sr's a TOOL!!!
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1. as i mentioned way earlier, 160hp + 50hp from nitro = too damn much power for a single front disc brake!
2. jr's design is overall better...if one could remove all cadillac logo's from both bikes, jr's would be recognizable as 'the caddy bike'.
2a. however, i am disappointed with how little work jr's team did with the front headlight...lame. sr's looked a lot better.
3. i also loved it when jr's team smashed sr's team on the track...even moreso the jr beat sr straight up.
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I thought it was great how Jr's team whipped them on the auto track too...hahahaha Sr's a TOOL!!!
Especially when Sr. talked so much smack about Paulie not going to beat him
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The charity auction is quite telling, too. Currently, Jr.'s bike is at $100,000. Sr.'s is at $10,000. :rotflmao:
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I liked the motor in seniors bike but 160 hp + 50 hp for nitrous-----Hell you couldn't even use that on that platform!!!!
The clincher was the "air" suspension on Paul Jr's bike....That blew seniors bike out of the water!!!!!!
Yeah, it was funny watching peoples reaction the Jr's bike. He drove up and everyone was checking it out. He stopped and turned off the motor, then lowered the air suspension and everyone ooohed and ahhhed.
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Yeah, it was funny watching peoples reaction the Jr's bike. He drove up and everyone was checking it out. He stopped and turned off the motor, then lowered the air suspension and everyone ooohed and ahhhed.
...and don't forget the nod of jr's head when they did that...he knew he just spanked daddy.
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I could never work for Sr. He thinks intimidation is the only way to motivate people. He is constantly talking smack about PJD and it is always wrong. I see Jr. bemoan getting sued but never see him talk smack about OCC bikes. This head to head challenge should prove to Sr. once and for all that Jr. is capable of building bikes without intimidation and micro managing.
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hey, i found a pic of the early days of OCC:
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I just popped in to see where the voting was at now. Well it doesn't have it anymore. I don't know if it ended. Or maybe Jr getting almost all of the votes (96%+ as of this morning) caused them to shut it down to spare the humility to OCC?
I do see that Jr.s bike is at the $100,000 and Sr.s at $10,000 as Jon mentioned earlier. There is lots of that face-book talk being posted. The funny thing is both sides are pro Jr. I know Paul has alienated the fan base like his family. But I wouldn't have believed that people would crucify him still to that extent. I have a feeling that you will not hear much about this on the show! But hey, ya never know!
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I just popped in to see where the voting was at now. Well it doesn't have it anymore. I don't know if it ended. Or maybe Jr getting almost all of the votes (96%+ as of this morning) caused them to shut it down to spare the humility to OCC?
I do see that Jr.s bike is at the $100,000 and Sr.s at $10,000 as Jon mentioned earlier. There is lots of that face-book talk being posted. The funny thing is both sides are pro Jr. I know Paul has alienated the fan base like his family. But I wouldn't have believed that people would crucify him still to that extent. I have a feeling that you will not hear much about this on the show! But hey, ya never know!
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Show's OVER........................
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yeah the voting is over. sr got about 1.1 million votes while jr got 1.4 million. jr has been declared the winner of the viewers choice poll. hooray.
the bike bidding looks static: sr's is up to 15K while jr's is still at 100K. look for sr to bid on his own machine in order to win that portion.
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yeah the voting is over. sr got about 1.1 million votes while jr got 1.4 million. jr has been declared the winner of the viewers choice poll. hooray.
the bike bidding looks static: sr's is up to 15K while jr's is still at 100K. look for sr to bid on his own machine in order to win that portion.
I saw that at 96% junior, 4% senior. How does that add up?
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As far as the 1.1 to 1.4, are you sure you aren't looking at the 'views' of the bike? Currently it is 1.4 to 1.7 views.
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well the voting itself is over. it says so on the site. if you hit the join button, you are just 'liking' that bike on facebook. i am using ie9 and had to turn-off tracking protection just to see that and the facebook threads for each.