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Title: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Jaxter on May 12, 2013, 12:22:47 AM
Has anyone used thr GT-Air helmet from Shoei? I currently have the Shoei 1100 and I really like it, but I am intrigued by the flip down sunglasses built into the GT-Air model...my concern is how easy is it to flip down the build in sunglasses. I tried one on today and I wear size L (the 1100) and when I tried on the GT-Air size L it was so tight that I almost had a claustrophobic moment. The size XL fit better.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: TallyRex on May 12, 2013, 03:53:02 AM
Haven't tried one yet and currently use an RF1000, but I could use more ventilation, so I'm interested in this thread.  I also have a L and that's a good tip about the sizing
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: dion40 on May 12, 2013, 12:39:14 PM
I don't have the Air but I do have the Neotec which should be the same flip mechanism. It's very easy and would never buy another helmet that didn't have the built in sun visor, it's so convenient to flip it up and down depending on lighting conditions. It just takes a little learning to know exactly where the trigger is, and that on at least the neotec, pushing up makes the visor go down but besides that it's fantastic. The only caveat I have is when the visor is down the air from the front vent gets blocked so it doesn't hit your face on the neotec at least, but it's not a big deal because I can flip the whole thing open.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: CrashGordon on May 12, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
Looked hard at helmets with a flip down visor, but ended up with a Bell with a transition shield. Had the same concern about airflow with the visor down.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on October 24, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
Just got my new Shoei GT Air a few days ago and wore it for the first time tonight.  It is XL and a bit too tight on my cheeks, but I will give it some time to break in.  This makes it a little smaller than the Scorpion  EXO-1000 it is replacing.

It is considerably quieter and lighter than the EXO-1000.  And the venting is MUCH better (on top... on the chin there is little air because I am using the full windscreen right now).  Unlike the Scorpion, the drop-down visor comes down lower (which is nice) and is far easier and smoother to operate.  Plus a DARK visor is installed by default (instead of the stupid light one in the Scorpion, which immediately has to be replaced with something darker for more $).  Seems to sit on my head a little taller, or perhaps it just doesn't come down my neck quite as far (especially on the back).  Build quality seems excellent.  The silver paint has more depth and gloss and matches the silver Concours better.  Will move the SENA stuff to it tomorrow.

The visibility port seems to be about the same size.  The shield is easy to operate, and the positive-click latch for full close works and without much effort.  I like that is has a much smaller lowest-open detent (about half the size of the EXO).   It is more difficult on the AIR to remove and install a shield.
 
The included pinlock does work- no fogging at all (and the ride home at 52F would be fogged when I stopped and it doesn't, just the area around it).  But it has an annoying and somewhat distracting glare at night where the oncoming lights are reflected above and move OPPOSITE to head movement.  I think it is tolerable... barely.  I have a feeling I will only use the pinlock during cold weather riding.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on October 25, 2015, 08:57:39 AM
Will move the SENA stuff to it tomorrow.

The SMH10 installation was a snap.  About the same as when I installed it on the Scorpion, but the mounting bracket works a bit better on the Shoei.  The only difficult part was that the speakers are too thick for the Shoei earpad foam, so I just took scissors and cut away about half the thickness of that foam and they fit perfectly.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: elp_jc on October 25, 2015, 12:57:17 PM
The only difficult part was that the speakers are too thick for the Shoei earpad foam
You're supposed to remove them for speakers ;). Not only for better fit, but for not muffling the sound.

Going for my first ride with the GT-Air in a bit. But I can comment on fit. I came from an XL Shoei X-12, and the GT-Air is L. It's a bit tight, but I'm relatively sure I'll be able to leave it alone. In case it was a bit tight for comfort after a few uses, both the center pad and cheek pads are offered in thinner versions (center pad from 9 to 5, and cheekpads from 35 to 31). The cheek pads are a bit tight, but they should be that way. I was used to ride with a loose helmet, which is NOT good for safety. This thing fits like a glove, tight, but with no obvious pressure points after wearing it 2 hours at home (with a head liner). As Maxtog said, we need to give it a bit of time to break in, before making any changes. Will post my impressions after using it. Forgot to say it weighs 2.5-oz LESS than the racier X-12, which was surprising. And won't install the pinlock after so many negatives/warnings. I'm used to just open the vents when needed, and will continue to do that unless this helmet makes it difficult to dissipate the fog (hope not). I don't ride much in cold weather anyway.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on October 25, 2015, 01:43:45 PM
after purchasing and wearing dozens of helmets, I have to say putting on a helmet, and walking around the house, is no test of its fit or acceptability...
putting one on, and getting 50 riding hours on it just begins to give the rating...
variables of wind noise, and even moreso the wind drag and loading on your neck while riding, cannot be surmised by "static" it fits on my couch testing.

sorry, jmho.... I found some helmets that fit ok,  but were tight, to be extremely painfull 4 hours into a 12 hour ride, and knew that on that ride, I would have to endure another 36 hours to complete my "trip", not fun when your temples throb, face hurts, neck in great pain, and all the seconds that pass when you try to pay attention to the road are spent cursing the choice of helmet... which felt, or still feels fine.... while sitting on the couch.


again, jmho. ymmv.

I'll also add I've altered many cheek, ear area pads to use my speakers, which I cannablized from some high end headphones, simply used copper wire to attach an exacto blade to my high output soldering iron, and heat cut from the backside hard plastic to create a padded recess... works great.
I've tried slipping speakers into a recess cut under the cloth on the inside surface, but after 4 or 5 ours, the rubbing on my ears was unbearable.. can't use earbuds... they freak me out... I need some ambient sound....

some of the most comfortable helmets I've owned cost less than $200, actually most of them were that price... and I had no fear they were "inferior" to a $600 lid...  I've been wearing a ZOX Genesis modular for a few years now, and I totally love it, I can remove the innerds, and wash them, it has an internal flip down goggle type tinted visor, which in hot weather is nice as I can open the outer screen, and still have eye protection, and has well thought out cutouts in the ear area allowing easy and non contact speaker addition, I even could cut 1/4" thich pourus foam, covered with a polyester fleece cloth layer, to make my ears non contact... sweet.

again, ymmv.

expensive ain't always the best, in fact, I've found it to be the opposite. if you have a brain, you can modify stuff, within reason....

ride safe, and wear a helmet.... whatever helmet you choose....
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on October 25, 2015, 09:12:04 PM
You're supposed to remove them for speakers ;). Not only for better fit, but for not muffling the sound.

I think I discovered that today.  The volume was significantly less on the speakers than in my previous helmet where the speaker was just covered with material.  I will have to play with it some more.

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Going for my first ride with the GT-Air in a bit. But I can comment on fit. I came from an XL Shoei X-12, and the GT-Air is L. It's a bit tight, but I'm relatively sure I'll be able to leave it alone. In case it was a bit tight for comfort after a few uses, both the center pad and cheek pads are offered in thinner versions (center pad from 9 to 5, and cheekpads from 35 to 31). The cheek pads are a bit tight, but they should be that way. I was used to ride with a loose helmet, which is NOT good for safety. This thing fits like a glove, tight, but with no obvious pressure points after wearing it 2 hours at home (with a head liner).

I think I have a pretty big problem with fit.  1.5 hours into a ride today, I ended up with a radiating pain headache and nausea.  My buddy suggested we pull over and rest.  When I took off the helmet the pain was gone in a few minutes.  He said "you should see your head, you have red marks on your scalp.  I looked in the mirror and could see only a red "dent" in my forehead, so I took out my phone and took a photo of the top of my head... amazingly it worked.  I could see clear pressure marks on my scalp where the foam is located in the helmet crown.   After 10 min, I put it back on, left the chin strap pretty loose, and was home in 20 min or so and the pain was just starting again.

I have never experienced this before.  The XL cheek pads are certainly a little too tight.  If I relax my mouth completely and then close it, I would be biting my cheeks.  But the XL crown seems like a correct fit.  I will call Cycle Gear tomorrow to see what they think I should do.

And the pinlock is annoying in the daytime too.... not as much as night, but there is still glare.  For general riding, I think I will be removing it.

One thing more- it is amazingly less "turbulent" in the wind compared to the Scorpion EXO-1000.   At first I thought it was just because of the large windshield, so I stood on the pegs at various speeds... smooth as silk and so much less drag.  None of my previous 4 helmets have been like that!
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: elp_jc on October 25, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
I think I have a pretty big problem with fit. 1.5 hours into a ride today, I ended up with a radiating pain headache and nausea. 
The XL cheek pads are certainly a little too tight.  If I relax my mouth completely and then close it, I would be biting my cheeks.
Oh man, sorry to hear that. That's why I now wear a new helmet at home for 2 hours before using it. It's not the same as riding, obviously. But at least I know for sure if fit is a big issue or not, since you CANNOT return a helmet if it's been used outside. I'm an expert at helmet pain by now ;), and if you got the wrong size and/or helmet shape (need to return it), you would know in less than an hour, when your head is throbbing. If you pass the 2-hr mark, like in my case, then a center and/or cheek pad change is the worst that can happen... and both are available for this helmet. The trick is to determine if you got the wrong size, wrong shape, or both. That'd tell you if you need a larger size, or a different helmet altogether. Go to webbikeworld.com to try to determine your head shape by previous helmets used. They have the best reviews overall, but not all are completely right, so you know. Good luck, and keep us posted.

I also have the 'biting cheek' issue, but wanted to point out it should be that way for a proper fitting helmet. But if you develop pain, then you need thinner cheek pads (31mm for the GT-Air). Finally, very few will have the luck to own a helmet that fits perfectly, even when it's more or less the right shape. You always have some imperfections in your head. I, for too long, bought a larger helmet for just a specific pressure point, because people said to never touch the foam. Not anymore. MUCH safer to just adjust the foam for a millimeter or so in a specific area, than buy a larger helmet that fits too loose. And that's exactly what I do now. I've bought dozens of helmets because most didn't fit right... even though they were supposed to. And most of those times just ordered the next larger size until no more pain. Thankfully never had an accident, but it's NOT safe to wear a helmet like that. After about a dozen or so, became an expert in helmet pain, and learned what can and can't be tolerated by testing them at home. And also what needs a larger size, a different helmet, or just a small adjustment on the foam for a pain-free fit. Now I'm not going to buy another helmet that doesn't fit GOOD. Unfortunately, my stupid head requires expensive helmets, because only premium models (Arai and Shoei) seem to cover oval heads like mine. Finally seems like the GT-Air is what I needed all along. If it works out fine at the end, will buy another and just store it for future use. I could always sell it as new. Will keep you guys posted how it works out. And you do the same with yours. If your head is not oval like mine, and more neutral, you have a million options buddy... but not the GT-Air. Take care.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: fmwhit on November 06, 2015, 08:22:48 PM
I have had a GT-Air for abt 32k miles.  I actually tried one out at Americade where Shoei was doing test drives.  I actually thought that I wanted a Quest and test drove that helmet first.  Driving up the interstate and a few back roads before returning the helmet and trying the GT-Air. The test drives were only abt 20 miles each on the same route.  The GT-Air was perfect for me.  The Sun Visor that the Original Poster asked about is a feature that I don't use very often but its there when I want it and am able to lower it and raise it with gloves on.  It is convenient when I don't have my sun glasses with me. 

My concern abt the GT-Air was the air flow.  The air flow in the GT-Air was substantial compared to my Shoei 900 and I was concerned abt riding in the colder weather as I live in the North East(NY).  Closing the front top vent in the colder weather cuts the air flow enough that my head stays warm down to abt 45 degrees and closing the other vents in colder weather keeps my head warm when it gets colder.

Fred
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Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on November 06, 2015, 11:47:47 PM
I think I have a pretty big problem with fit.  1.5 hours into a ride today, I ended up with a radiating pain headache and nausea.  My buddy suggested we pull over and rest.  When I took off the helmet the pain was gone in a few minutes.  He said "you should see your head, you have red marks on your scalp.  I looked in the mirror and could see only a red "dent" in my forehead, so I took out my phone and took a photo of the top of my head... amazingly it worked.  I could see clear pressure marks on my scalp where the foam is located in the helmet crown.   After 10 min, I put it back on, left the chin strap pretty loose, and was home in 20 min or so and the pain was just starting again.

Update!  Mystery solved.  All the pressure of the helmet *was* being funneled on that 1" square patch on my upper forehead.   It seems like the helmet did have a slight hump there (although it was hard to tell with all the air channels).  I just pushed in the EPS (expanded poly styrene foam) liner with my thumb, slightly... perhaps 2mm, in that 1" area.  That is all it took, it effectively added 1/2 size to the helmet and it is slightly too loose now.   No more headaches, no more red dent on my forehead!
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: PH14 on November 07, 2015, 09:08:22 AM
Update!  Mystery solved.  All the pressure of the helmet *was* being funneled on that 1" square patch on my upper forehead.   It seems like the helmet did have a slight hump there (although it was hard to tell with all the air channels).  I just pushed in the EPS (expanded poly styrene foam) liner with my thumb, slightly... perhaps 2mm, in that 1" area.  That is all it took, it effectively added 1/2 size to the helmet and it is slightly too loose now.   No more headaches, no more red dent on my forehead!

Good to hear. We used to use a spoon for the same purpose. It is an old recommended fix that wasn't allowed to be recommended.  ;)
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on November 07, 2015, 12:18:16 PM
Good to hear. We used to use a spoon for the same purpose. It is an old recommended fix that wasn't allowed to be recommended.  ;)

I was a bit worried, but my friend said "well, after a year of wearing it in pain and going over bumps and such, the EPS would be pushed in ANYWAY by your head, all you did was accelerate the process" so I didn't feel so bad.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: elp_jc on November 08, 2015, 09:29:55 PM
I was a bit worried, but my friend said "well, after a year of wearing it in pain and going over bumps and such, the EPS would be pushed in ANYWAY by your head, all you did was accelerate the process" so I didn't feel so bad.
That's precisely the right way to fix a pressure point IMO. MUCH better than a next larger size, which would be much looser everywhere, and protect you less in an accident. But next time do it little by little, to end up with the perfect fit. And hate to break it to you, but the 'bump' is in your head buddy ;D. I have one of those too. I'm ordering a thinner center pad, since I have a bit more pressure everywhere than I like. Could take it for 2 hours at my house, but will eventually bother me in a long trip. Surprisingly, haven't had to touch the EPS yet, and hope not having to do that. The 5 (vs 9mm) center pad should make it just about perfect. This is with a headliner I always wear, so I know L is the right size. I'd also like my head a smidgen more into the helmet, and the thinner center pad should achieve that as well. The main reason for that is a more effective sun shield, and most importantly, that my left ear is not bothered by the cheekpad foam below it anymore. We'll see. So far this is the best fitting helmet I've ever owned. And it's probably going to get a lot better with the new center pad. Will keep you folks posted.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Rhino on November 09, 2015, 08:52:42 AM
I just saw this thread. I've had my GT Air for almost a year now. Most comfy helmet I've ever had. I guess I have a Shoei head. Only took about a week before all the pressure points were gone. I love how easy it is with gloves to open and close the top vents.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: PH14 on November 09, 2015, 10:59:48 AM
I was a bit worried, but my friend said "well, after a year of wearing it in pain and going over bumps and such, the EPS would be pushed in ANYWAY by your head, all you did was accelerate the process" so I didn't feel so bad.

Yeah, as long as you aren't going too far it is fine. As you said, it will happen naturally anyway.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on November 09, 2015, 04:15:58 PM
Still frustrated with the pinlock.  I tried the helmet without it- no question the pinlock works.  Even though it was in the mid 50's, whenever I was going slowly or stopped, I had to open the shield to prevent fogging.  But with the pinlock in, I have to deal with all the annoying glare and reflections.  I want my cake and eat it too, but it seems that is just not going to be possible.

I am continuing to be amazed at how "light" the helmet feels compared to the EXO-1000.... not because it is lighter weight-wise, but because the air flows around it so perfectly, there is no "push."  I didn't have much problems before with buffeting, but now I realize I had SOME and it is all gone now, too.  Doesn't seem to matter how I adjust the bike's windscreen nor my body position, the air still flows around it perfectly.  I don't know how they did it.  I should have switched years ago.  I still finding taking the shield on/off is much harder than on the Scorpion, but with practice it might get easier.  The seals are just very good on this Air.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: elp_jc on November 13, 2015, 11:25:39 PM
I guess I have a Shoei head.
You have a Shoei GT Air head, not Shoei head ;D. Don't assume all are the same, because they're not. Not that radically different, but different enough not to fit well. By the way, webbikeworld ranks each helmet by shape, although not terribly accurate. But at least it gives you an idea which helmets to consider, and which ones not to even try. Anyway, I can also say the GT Air is the best fitting helmet I've ever owned. It's slightly tight with a headliner, but uniformly tight; no pressure points. But will order the thinner center pad to avoid any pain in a long ride, which would probably happen the way it is now. It should be perfect after that. Heck, looks like I won't even need to adjust the EPS for my 2 forehead typical pressure points. Awesome.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on November 14, 2015, 05:56:04 AM
You have a Shoei GT Air head, not Shoei head ;D. Don't assume all are the same, because they're not.

According to the people at Cycle Gear, you are correct.  They were telling me, recently, that the Air and the RF were quite different.  I wrote off Shoei a year ago because I tried the RF and there was no way it would fit my head.  So I never even tried the Air.   We now know that was a mistake.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Swampcat on November 14, 2015, 07:40:10 AM
According to the people at Cycle Gear, you are correct.  They were telling me, recently, that the Air and the RF were quite different.  I wrote off Shoei a year ago because I tried the RF and there was no way it would fit my head.  So I never even tried the Air.   We now know that was a mistake.
And my experience was the opposite. I really wanted the GT-Air and stopped at the Shoei booth at AIMExpo last month to try one on. I was so disappointed that it didn't work for me. The rep got his specialist to measure my head, suggested I try an RF-1200, and it was exactly right. Wish it had the features of the Air, but one of the "features" was going to be a permanent headache and that was a non-negotiable negative.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: DaddyFlip on November 14, 2015, 12:47:52 PM
I will add my experience for posterity. I've had a GT-Air in XL for two years. Perfect fit all over. My in-store experience said that the GT-Air and the RF1200 fit exactly the same, the only difference being the chinbar and faceshield on the 1200 being closer to the face. I previously characterized the RF1200 being more of a 'race fit' version of the GT-Air. I liked that the RF1200 had the new Snell rating, was externally more aerodynamic (i.e. smaller), and came in some better graphics. However, I was purchasing a white helmet anyway and I really wanted the drop down visor. I have been completely happy with the GT-Air decision.

Regarding break-in: Within the first year, I found the standard XL cheekpads loosened so much that wind noise was creeping in and the fit was loose. I ordered the thicker cheekpads and this helped significantly improve the overall fit. The crown was perfect on day one and is still perfect; I have not changed the main comfort liner.

Regarding drop down visor: This is a 'can't live without it' feature. It is down most of the time. I especially like opening the screen all the way when coasting through towns to get fresh air while still having the visor in front of my eyes to scare off bugs or small debris.

Regarding SMH10: I left the foam pads in the ear cavities and mounted the speakers ON TOP of them. I wear Howard Leight foam earplugs 24/7/365.

Regarding Pinlock: I leave mine installed 24/7/365 and would not ride without it. If I know I am going to ride at night (rare), I carry an extra, brand new shield/Pinlock with me and trade it out at dusk. For daytime riding, I am still on the original 2-year old shield and Pinlock insert without issue.

Regarding the future: For my riding, I would not purchase a helmet without the drop down visor- it is my #1 requirement. I like the extra room between face and chinbar/shield; I don't like poking my chin out and being able to touch the chinbar. I have looked at other DDV helmets, but IMO, you have to buy the best to get a good one. I think the GT-Air is the best.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on November 14, 2015, 01:24:23 PM
I will add my experience for posterity. I've had a GT-Air in XL for two years. Perfect fit all over. My in-store experience said that the GT-Air and the RF1200 fit exactly the same,

Well, they are not the same shape, but I bet for some people's heads (who are probably in the middle between oval and round, or something like that) it won't matter and they can wear either.  You must be one of those lucky ones :)

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Regarding drop down visor: This is a 'can't live without it' feature.

Couldn't agree more.  Had it first on my Scorpion and realized I would never have another helmet without it.

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Regarding Pinlock: I leave mine installed 24/7/365 and would not ride without it. If I know I am going to ride at night (rare), I carry an extra, brand new shield/Pinlock with me and trade it out at dusk. For daytime riding, I am still on the original 2-year old shield and Pinlock insert without issue.

I just ordered another front shield and I plan on using that WITHOUT the pinlock and just swapping to the pinlock only if I will be riding in sub 50'sF.  Glare is not worth it otherwise because I can control the fogging above 50 OK.  Removing and installing the pinlock is a huge chore and a nightmare if everything is not PERFECTLY clean, so it just makes sense to swap out the whole shield.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on November 06, 2016, 11:29:24 AM
I waited a long time to post this, because I wanted to make absolutely sure.  Back in the thread I complained about fit and pain issues but thought I had a fix.   It wasn't.  I thought certainly after a while and some more experimentation, it would be "broken in" and my issues would resolve.  It simply isn't so.  For reasons I can't explain, after using it for about an hour, it starts to give me great pain on the top of my head, sometimes even with nausea.  When I take the helmet off I still have deep red imprint across my forehead and three across my scalp.  After a 10 min rest, I can often use the helmet again for another 30+ min.  Early on (but not soon enough) I visited the dealer and also talked to Shoei more than once.  Both were very supportive and helpful, but nothing can fix the problem.  I have tried different sized inserts, bigger, smaller, combinations of both, added my own padding, and nothing helps.  The only thing left Shoei could offer would be custom pad creation, which would require I be thousands of miles away to create a head model.  Obviously that is not going to happen.

Since I mounted the comms on the Shoei, I now only use the Shoei when riding with someone, which is about 1/3 my riding.  Otherwise, I revert back to my old Scorpion EXO-1000, which never causes me any type of fit/comfort/pain problem.  I speculate that my head shape is just not compatible and it is more complex than just "round vs. oval".  A word of caution to others-  a helmet might fit/feel fine in the store.  It might fit/feel fine on shorter rides.  But if you have pain, it is likely not going to get better by waiting and it might be uncorrectable.  And if you wait too long, you can't return/exchange the helmet.

The GT-Air is an excellent helmet.  It is good looking, functional, light weight, areodynamic, vents well, constructed well, has great visibility and a wonderful internal shade.  But nothing matters when it competes with pain.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on November 13, 2016, 09:12:13 AM
I have had a Neotec for at least 3 years, I suspect it's a lot heavier because of the modular function. On my 2nd one actually, a black buzzard knocked me cold when wearing the 1st. I bought another and had the old one certified as fine by Shoei and sold it for half price.  It had been replaced/paid for by insurance, along with a lot of bike damage in the resulting wreck.

Max, why don't you use the spoon method to make the GT-Air have less pressure?   The bright red spots on your noggin are the template for where to fix.  You've already spent the money, other than minutely less protection and the effort it takes, I am not seeing a downside.

I have never noticed glare from my Pinlock but am on my 3rd shield/pinlock, which cost about $80 to replace.  I had a different problem on my recent trip to Deals Gap where it was in the 30's at various times.  The shield and Pinlock got a small separation at some point and moisture crept between the 2 and that moisture would eventually create fog up to the point of blocking my vision.  I would have to pull over to split the 2 and use a micro fiber cloth to wipe out the moisture.  I would fight that until it got warm enough to stop. It was really pissing me off, but I resisted the temptation to just pull over and rip out the Pinlock, fearing that the fogging would be much worse and there would be no going back.  It was too cold to keep the shield open and no combination of venting and leaving the shield at the 'barely cracked' position would stop it.  I know it's a sealing issue and probably just wouldn't show until it got really cold.  I saw 30F on the display several times and spent large portions of the morning below 40F.  Still had a lot of fun though.

Also, I love the drop down screen, never not have one now, too darn handy.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on November 13, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
Max, why don't you use the spoon method to make the GT-Air have less pressure?   The bright red spots on your noggin are the template for where to fix.  You've already spent the money, other than minutely less protection and the effort it takes, I am not seeing a downside.

I have tried messing with it over and over and can't seem to fix the problem.  I will say I applied more contrast to the photo to make the marks show up so they are easier to see in the posting, it really isn't quite as severe as it might appear (at least on the forehead).  Looking at the photos, one might think the problem is more forehead, but I am almost positive it is the top of my head.  That is where all the pain starts and radiates.  And for that, I just don't know what else to try.  :(

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I have never noticed glare from my Pinlock but am on my 3rd shield/pinlock, [...]

I can see where it would be handy for some people, but it just hasn't panned out for me.  The glare is very dependant on the angle at which you ride and hold your helmet and that will depend on body size, handlebar position, seating position, etc.  In my case, it seems unavoidable.  If I tilt my head down a few inches the glare is gone, but I can't do that so it just isn't an option.  In any case, I really don't have much fogging problems overall, so losing it doesn't hurt much.

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Also, I love the drop down screen, never not have one now, too darn handy.

This is my second helmet with that feature and I absolutely *LOVE* it and will never buy a helmet without it now.

I just came back from a cold, 100 mile, 2hr ride with a friend about 30 min ago.  Damn it is such a warm and quiet helmet.  But I have Klingon scalp/hair and the headache still hasn't gone away yet :(
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on November 13, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
It would suck to have that helmet do that.  I had an Arai of some sort I owned that made my forehead ache terribly. I spent $400 or so on it.  Luckily I crashed heavily and ruined it, that's when I got the Neotec. 

The Neotec fits, thank heavens because it's so expensive.  I did get a do over on it when the bird kamikazi'ed me, but I bought another one just like it.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Rhino on November 14, 2016, 10:00:31 AM
It would suck to have that helmet do that.  I had an Arai of some sort I owned that made my forehead ache terribly. I spent $400 or so on it.  Luckily I crashed heavily and ruined it, that's when I got the Neotec. 

The Neotec fits, thank heavens because it's so expensive.  I did get a do over on it when the bird kamikazi'ed me, but I bought another one just like it.

Doesn't sound all that lucky.  :o That has absolutely got to be the worst way to replace a helmet. But glad it worked out and your still riding.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on November 14, 2016, 11:28:19 AM
OK fine, story time.

When the bird hit me in 2012, I was on a road trip in Missouri and wearing full leathers, Neotec, road race gloves and boots. Not a scratch but tweaked my knee and ankle, took a bit but no big deal.

When I ruined the Arai, it was 2011 and I was on the way home from softball.  Helmet, gloves, shorts and a tank top. DR650 had a flat front which felt funny but I thought I could make it home.   When I put on the brakes approaching/entering a corner, it put all the weight on the front tire, which collapsed. Aluminum rims have poor traction and down I went.  Luckily there was a guy behind me in a pickup with a ramp and tie downs and a cute daughter (who was unimpressed, other than of my luck in them being there).

They hauled me the half mile home, where my luck continued. My buddy was there and was adjusting the valves that Thursday night on my C10, in preparation for a big solo trip I was taking the next Friday.  Buddy helped me unload, GF took me to the hospital to get all the gravel picked out and scrubbed (not as much fun as it sounds).  Left 8 days later on a 6500 mile solo trip from Peoria to the Seattle area (much stuff in between), Olympic peninsula to the farthest northwest corner of the US. Then down 101/US1 to LA, then home. 11.5 days, much fun was had.  Not fun was removing all the bandages and showering every night, then applying Neosporin and new bandages.  Other than that, incredible adventure including a 1000 mile + day from Barstow CA to Fort Morgan CO, mostly slab.  What a ride, the scenery between those 2 places doesn't really suck.  105F going through Vegas, but the scenery going through Utah made up for it.  I had never seen Utah in person and because of what I saw, I have been back 2x and seen most of the national parks and monuments, I highly recommend all of them.

And that's how my Arai got ruined, it got banged up and I wore my previous helmet, which was fine.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Rhino on November 14, 2016, 12:26:11 PM
OK fine, story time.

When the bird hit me in 2012, I was on a road trip in Missouri and wearing full leathers, Neotec, road race gloves and boots. Not a scratch but tweaked my knee and ankle, took a bit but no big deal.

When I ruined the Arai, it was 2011 and I was on the way home from softball.  Helmet, gloves, shorts and a tank top. DR650 had a flat front which felt funny but I thought I could make it home.   When I put on the brakes approaching/entering a corner, it put all the weight on the front tire, which collapsed. Aluminum rims have poor traction and down I went.  Luckily there was a guy behind me in a pickup with a ramp and tie downs and a cute daughter (who was unimpressed, other than of my luck in them being there).

They hauled me the half mile home, where my luck continued. My buddy was there and was adjusting the valves that Thursday night on my C10, in preparation for a big solo trip I was taking the next Friday.  Buddy helped me unload, GF took me to the hospital to get all the gravel picked out and scrubbed (not as much fun as it sounds).  Left 8 days later on a 6500 mile solo trip from Peoria to the Seattle area (much stuff in between), Olympic peninsula to the farthest northwest corner of the US. Then down 101/US1 to LA, then home. 11.5 days, much fun was had.  Not fun was removing all the bandages and showering every night, then applying Neosporin and new bandages.  Other than that, incredible adventure including a 1000 mile + day from Barstow CA to Fort Morgan CO, mostly slab.  What a ride, the scenery between those 2 places doesn't really suck.  105F going through Vegas, but the scenery going through Utah made up for it.  I had never seen Utah in person and because of what I saw, I have been back 2x and seen most of the national parks and monuments, I highly recommend all of them.

And that's how my Arai got ruined, it got banged up and I wore my previous helmet, which was fine.

Good story! I'll have to keep this in mind as my other bike is also a DR650. I hate flats and I hate fixing tubes! Have fixed many a tubeless flat in minutes using plugs and 12V inflator. So I tried this http://japan.webike.net/products/21447814.html (http://japan.webike.net/products/21447814.html) on my DR650 rear wheel about 3 months ago with great success and now running tubeless on the rear. Will do the front sometime this winter. So instead of riding home on a flat as I would also be tempted to do, I will just use a gummy worm and be on my way.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: KawaC14 on November 16, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
I've used one since Feb. 2016. Put about 3000-4000 miles with it on. Absolutely loved it. I had to order the thinner cheek pads for it. But, I just sold it. I wanted to switch to a modular and Revzilla had a sale on the Schuberth C3 Pro Classic Dark so I purchased that and just sold my Shoei. As much as I loved the GT Air I am impressed with the lighter weight and much quieter ride with the Shuberth. I have not had it very long but it seems to be a bit of a step up from the GT Air.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on August 06, 2017, 06:10:15 PM
I have tried messing with it over and over and can't seem to fix the problem. [...]  That is where all the pain starts and radiates.  And for that, I just don't know what else to try.  :(

And a year later and I finally give up on the GT-Air.  I simply can't tolerate the pain anymore.  I bought smaller pads, thicker pads, added more padding that Shoei sent me in various places, nothing works.  I absolutely love everything about the GT-Air, best helmet I have ever owned except I can't wear it.   Tonight I pulled the Sena out of it and installed it on the old, crufty Scorpion EXO-1000.

I guess I will have to start a new search for a replacement.  Since how it feels and fits seems to have no relationship to the pain it causes, I have no idea how I am going to find something, and I will be stuck with whatever I get.  I am not opposed to trying a newer Scorpion, but nobody carries it, so it would be a completely "blind" mailorder transaction.  The closest current match seems to be the EXO-T1200 but it looks like that is also an old design and being dropped.  More importantly, there are reviews saying they changed the shape from the 1000, so I might be in the same boat as before; plus it is LOUD.  Ug.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: PH14 on August 07, 2017, 10:30:50 AM
And a year later and I finally give up on the GT-Air.  I simply can't tolerate the pain anymore.  I bought smaller pads, thicker pads, added more padding that Shoei sent me in various places, nothing works.  I absolutely love everything about the GT-Air, best helmet I have ever owned except I can't wear it.   Tonight I pulled the Sena out of it and installed it on the old, crufty Scorpion EXO-1000.

I guess I will have to start a new search for a replacement.  Since how it feels and fits seems to have no relationship to the pain it causes, I have no idea how I am going to find something, and I will be stuck with whatever I get.  I am not opposed to trying a newer Scorpion, but nobody carries it, so it would be a completely "blind" mailorder transaction.  The closest current match seems to be the EXO-T1200 but it looks like that is also an old design and being dropped.  More importantly, there are reviews saying they changed the shape from the 1000, so I might be in the same boat as before; plus it is LOUD.  Ug.

Motorcylegear.com has them on closeout for $149. http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/closeouts/street_helmets/scorpion (http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/closeouts/street_helmets/scorpion)

My wife and I got the HJC FG-17 last year and like them. They are a bit quieter than the Arai helmets we had, though I forget the models right now. Part if that is due to the better fitting foam around the bottom, which is very likely just a fit issue. They vent well and the pinlock shield is nice, as is the removable liner. They have some left for $79. We got the Mamba. They have only one Mamba left and it's an XXL, they have other sizes in the Banshee model. http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/closeouts/street_helmets/hjc/fg_17_banshee_helmet.html (http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/closeouts/street_helmets/hjc/fg_17_banshee_helmet.html)

I love dealing with them, they have been very helpful in the past, and are great with returns. I have had them send two jackets in different sizes, returning the one that didn't fit, and did hte same with helmets. Great customer service.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Rhino on August 07, 2017, 01:20:55 PM
2 1/2 years, >20,000 miles on my GT-Air now. Still very comfortable but the liner is wearing out. Starting to look thread bare on the bottom. Will probably be looking for something new next spring.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on August 07, 2017, 04:12:40 PM
Motorcylegear.com has them on closeout for $149. http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/closeouts/street_helmets/scorpion (http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/closeouts/street_helmets/scorpion)

Wow- thanks for that (and the other) info!  For that price, I might just try it for the hell of it.

Oddly, my head size is 57cm, which Scorpion claims is MEDIUM!!!!  I ordered a large originally, and couldn't even get it on my head and had to exchange for an extra-large (which is perfect in the face and a little loose on my crown).  I just called Scorpion and they said that the 1000 and before all ran quite small and the 1200+ are considerably larger and recommend I go with large (one size smaller than whatever before).  They also say the shape has not changed, and is considered "intermediate oval."  Shell sizes are XS-S, M-L, XL-2X.  Pads are not sold separately but only as a liner kit.  They also don't have multiple different sub-sizes like Shoei, and liners can't move between shell sizes.  So with large, you can put in a Medium "liner" set but not an XL (Shoei has three sub-sizes for each helmet size, the included normal, and optional looser, and tighter; all can be mixed for crown and cheek).  Unlike the EXO-1000/1100, they INCLUDE a DARK inner shield (instead of a stupid light smoke one that has to be immediately replaced).

Hmm
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on August 07, 2017, 04:16:34 PM
2 1/2 years, >20,000 miles on my GT-Air now. Still very comfortable but the liner is wearing out. Starting to look thread bare on the bottom. Will probably be looking for something new next spring.

With the Shoei, you can buy replacement liners (cheek or crown pads), just the parts you need.

https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-GT-Air-Street-Motorcycle-Accessories/dp/B00CKI919G (https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-GT-Air-Street-Motorcycle-Accessories/dp/B00CKI919G)
https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-39Mm/dp/B00DQEJ91I (https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-39Mm/dp/B00DQEJ91I)
https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-35Mm/dp/B00DQEJ8DM (https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-35Mm/dp/B00DQEJ8DM)
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: PH14 on August 07, 2017, 04:30:33 PM
Wow- thanks for that (and the other) info!  For that price, I might just try it for the hell of it.

Oddly, my head size is 57cm, which Scorpion claims is MEDIUM!!!!  I ordered a large originally, and couldn't even get it on my head and had to exchange for an extra-large (which is perfect in the face and a little loose on my crown).  I just called Scorpion and they said that the 1000 and before all ran quite small and the 1200+ are considerably larger and recommend I go with large (one size smaller than whatever before).  They also say the shape has not changed, and is considered "intermediate oval."  Shell sizes are XS-S, M-L, XL-2X.  Pads are not sold separately but only as a liner kit.  They also don't have multiple different sub-sizes like Shoei, and liners can't move between shell sizes.  So with large, you can put in a Medium "liner" set but not an XL (Shoei has three sub-sizes for each helmet size, the included normal, and optional looser, and tighter; all can be mixed for crown and cheek).  Unlike the EXO-1000/1100, they INCLUDE a DARK inner shield (instead of a stupid light smoke one that has to be immediately replaced).

Hmm

If you have never seen this, here is a good guide on different brands and how they fit. http://www.lidpicker.com/free-data (http://www.lidpicker.com/free-data)
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on August 07, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
If you have never seen this, here is a good guide on different brands and how they fit. http://www.lidpicker.com/free-data (http://www.lidpicker.com/free-data)

Hadn't see that, thanks.  Excellent info.  I wish it also included older helmets like the EXO 1000 and 1100 for comparison.  Plus, there are other factors that affect shape/fit too, besides circumference and linear roundness (all kinds of angles, depth, ear position, hot spots, cheek area/jaw size).  Sometimes I think it is just a guessing game.

It shoes the GT-Air as being almost one full size smaller than expected, and the EXT-1200 as 1/2 size smaller than expected.  Some are nearly 2 sizes "off", amazing how much variation.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Rhino on August 08, 2017, 09:12:48 AM
With the Shoei, you can buy replacement liners (cheek or crown pads), just the parts you need.

https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-GT-Air-Street-Motorcycle-Accessories/dp/B00CKI919G (https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-GT-Air-Street-Motorcycle-Accessories/dp/B00CKI919G)
https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-39Mm/dp/B00DQEJ91I (https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-39Mm/dp/B00DQEJ91I)
https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-35Mm/dp/B00DQEJ8DM (https://www.amazon.com/Shoei-Gtair-Cheek-Pad-35Mm/dp/B00DQEJ8DM)

Cool! That's a lot cheaper then a new Shoei. Now I just have to figure out what size my current cheek pads are.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: kzz1king on August 08, 2017, 12:53:40 PM
Just watched a vidio on it. Dennis Kirk I believe.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on August 08, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
Cool! That's a lot cheaper then a new Shoei. Now I just have to figure out what size my current cheek pads are.

Take them out.  There should be a sticker with a number on it, like "35".  That number is the number of millimeters thickness of foam!  Yep, it is just that easy.  :)
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Ingramite13 on August 09, 2017, 04:15:43 PM
Take them out.  There should be a sticker with a number on it, like "35".  That number is the number of millimeters thickness of foam!  Yep, it is just that easy.  :)

I recognize the dents on your forehead.
Try an Arai Signet Q Pro. It has the sunscreen on the outside.
It's just the fit for a long oval shaped head.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on August 09, 2017, 07:22:26 PM
Too late... I am taking a gamble and ordered the Scorpion EXO-T1200 for a ridiculously low clearance price of $150 from motorcyclegear.com, in Large.  Never seen one before, never touched one before, have no idea about size.  But it seems the more effort I put into research, the more it seems random, so what the hell.  I will post a review of it at some point, mostly if it actually fits/works and I keep it.  Cross your fingers for me.
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Ingramite13 on August 10, 2017, 02:42:37 AM
Too late... I am taking a gamble and ordered the Scorpion EXO-T1200 for a ridiculously low clearance price of $150 from motorcyclegear.com, in Large.  Never seen one before, never touched one before, have no idea about size.  But it seems the more effort I put into research, the more it seems random, so what the hell.  I will post a review of it at some point, mostly if it actually fits/works and I keep it.  Cross your fingers for me.

Good luck with your search for a great helmet.
On a side note, I'm reading about Ronnie's Highway Pegs.....can you shoot me a link for them?
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: maxtog on August 10, 2017, 05:49:59 AM
Good luck with your search for a great helmet.
On a side note, I'm reading about Ronnie's Highway Pegs.....can you shoot me a link for them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck1LsLjHIrk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck1LsLjHIrk)
Ronnie Agostini at ragsag@mowisp.net
Title: Re: GT-Air Shoei helmet
Post by: Ingramite13 on August 10, 2017, 05:14:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck1LsLjHIrk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck1LsLjHIrk)
Ronnie Agostini at ragsag@mowisp.net

Thanks again!