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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2011, 03:15:29 PM »
so does the connie fall in the sport bike category in TX or the hardley-ableson category?
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2011, 05:47:05 PM »
TOTALLY DISAGREE with you on the public smoking laws! One of the best damn laws for the public good (and simply the pleasure of not having to do deal with asshat smokers). Period.

Just because some people have a smelly, annoying, health-destroying bad habit does NOT mean we're taking any of their freedoms away. They can smoke in their car, their home, any private property. But when they smoke in a public place or office, they're affecting MY freedom.
Hey jockstrap, since you're off topic anyway if you see me smoking on a public sidewalk cross the ******* street.
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2011, 06:13:24 AM »
Gents I suggest that you ease up on the personal insults and use of profanity; I see them going both ways. If you must resort to hitting below the belt you have already lost the fight and now your loosing respect. There has been a complaint filed here and I will simply remind you that there are rules of conduct here please follow them or you will be following the thread to the Arena or worse yet you may loose your posting privileges.  >:(
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2011, 07:06:52 AM »
Gents I suggest that you ease up on the personal insults and use of profanity; I see them going both ways. If you must resort to hitting below the belt you have already lost the fight and now your loosing respect. There has been a complaint filed here and I will simply remind you that there are rules of conduct here please follow them or you will be following the thread to the Arena or worse yet you may loose your posting privileges.  >:(
T, reprimand deserved and accepted. While my sentiments stand, in the future I will endeavor to refrain from responding in a manner not suitable to the forum.
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2011, 07:33:05 AM »
I fully disagree with you on the smoking ban in the workplace. Without absolute smoke free rules there will be asshats who flaunt those rules and smoke inside the building, in their offic,e in a conference room or right next to the door. There is no way a restaurant can have a non smoking area in the middle of the room and still have no smoke. Smokers infringe on my liberty and right to not be exposed to a health hazard imposed by others optional actions.

I know it is a little OT, but since I started it I figure I am allowed. We have gone through this here in San Antonio. They recently passed a law banning smoking in all restaurants. There was a big uprising against it but the politicians had to do it "for the good of the people" as if the 'people' don't know how to make a responsible decision. It is not governments responsibility to protect us from ourselves. The patrons of a restaurant can make the decision to go to it or not. If they don't like the smoke then don't go. I didn't go to some restaurants myself because of that. I am not a smoker and I don't like smoke, but I do not need the government talking for me. I make my own educated decision. I am tired of this freaking nanny state we have become. If you do not like the smoke then don't go.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2011, 08:54:47 AM »
I have been unable to find any statistics that support this law.
Is the "problem" 1 in 100 sport bikes or 1 in 1,000, or 1 in 10,000.....
It would appear that the law has been contrived due to speculation of
a problem existing and not hard facts.
How many adults on motorcycles are being killed vs kids? :nuts:
I would guess that more adults die, just guessing, but if we were
REALLY interested in saving lives we'd ban motorcycle use by adults
and the net effect would be more lives saved.
 
 Another feel good law based on nebulous emotion.
If you want the government to become mom and dad for you then let
them herd us all into high rise apartments where we can ride public
transportation and have no need for personal "dangerous" vehicles..
The mortality rate for ALL citizens would drop dramatically with 100,000's
lives saved.  No more heart ache calls, no more need for highway patrol,
no more wasted money on highway speed limit signs.  Utopia!
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2011, 11:21:33 AM »
I know it is a little OT, but since I started it I figure I am allowed. We have gone through this here in San Antonio. They recently passed a law banning smoking in all restaurants. There was a big uprising against it but the politicians had to do it "for the good of the people" as if the 'people' don't know how to make a responsible decision. It is not governments responsibility to protect us from ourselves. The patrons of a restaurant can make the decision to go to it or not. If they don't like the smoke then don't go. I didn't go to some restaurants myself because of that. I am not a smoker and I don't like smoke, but I do not need the government talking for me. I make my own educated decision. I am tired of this freaking nanny state we have become. If you do not like the smoke then don't go.

So you modify your behavior (avoiding certain restaurants) in order to allow others to do anything they damn well please? Interesting take on things, especially since smokers are in an overwhelming MINORITY in the USA population.

And BTW, yes governments (state and federal) are allowed and encouraged to make laws to protect us from ourselves and from those who do irresponsible things. Public safety is the reason; making "educated decisions" may make for good personal choices, but doesn't protect you from idiots who don't care who they harm.

Otherwise someone could say: "I'm allowed to shoot my pistol in a crowded room if I feel like it, just so long as I don't hit anybody!"

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2011, 02:12:41 PM »
I don't see how this law is going to save lives, people are going to ride them anyway they want and just because you have a class ''m'' does not mean you are a safe rider.
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Passes “Sport Bike” Law
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2011, 04:25:25 PM »
So you modify your behavior (avoiding certain restaurants) in order to allow others to do anything they damn well please? Interesting take on things, especially since smokers are in an overwhelming MINORITY in the USA population.

And BTW, yes governments (state and federal) are allowed and encouraged to make laws to protect us from ourselves and from those who do irresponsible things. Public safety is the reason; making "educated decisions" may make for good personal choices, but doesn't protect you from idiots who don't care who they harm.

Otherwise someone could say: "I'm allowed to shoot my pistol in a crowded room if I feel like it, just so long as I don't hit anybody!"

Wrong, I don't modify my behavior, I reinforce it. By my own desire I do not go places I do not want to go. You see, you are looking at it through a one-way mirror. You are saying it has to be your way, that's it. I am saying it is your choice. You want to remove my choice and that of the smokers. Maybe the smokers want to go to a restaurant where they can smoke. Now you are denying them the same freedoms that you think are for you only, when I say it is for everyone.

And why do you think I want to allow people to do anything they want. Last time I checked smoking was a legal activity, yet it is being treated as an illegal activity. It sounds like if it is something you don't like then a law needs to be made to satisfy you, the majority, over the minority. Now that is an interesting take.

Another thing to consider is that a business is in it to make money, not lose money. If it is a problem for a business that they think they need to change to a no smoking establishment, then they will do it. There are a number of businesses that have done that before the law. If they do that then it is their right, it should also be their right to not change it if they so desire, the same as it is your right to either go or not go to a restaurant for any given reason, be it smoking or anything else.

Your analogy of shooting a pistol in a crowd is a bad one and the type that fear mongers like to use. "Oh. I know, let's use an extreme example to make our point", never-mind that the morals of society dictate a persons actions and the laws are created to enforce those morals. Why do you think that the laws are different all over the U.S. They are even different city to city within the same state. I've got news for you, no law is going to protect me from people who wish to do me harm. If someone wants to shoot me in a crowd, no law is going to help me. Just ask Gabrielle Giffords.