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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Murph on May 19, 2011, 04:36:53 PM
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Well guys
after a little fiddling' I've decided we are going to machine a part or two for this project. Its going to kick the delivery time back a few weeks but.. 8) If you want a new shift lever already converted let me know. Also open to doing a core charge deal.
Murph
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I would be happy to have one.
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I'm open to sending you some $$$, Murph. Gotta help the small business crowd, you know. :)
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I'm interested. Let us know when you have a part and a price.
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I am interested in what you got cooking. Post it up when you have details.
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I'm interested as well. Now that the world isn't ending anytime soon...
or is it?
it's just after 7am in New Zealand, 11 more hours till it starts.
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How about a sneak peak? I am interested.
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Well guys
after a little fiddling' I've decided we are going to machine a part or two for this project.
Are you still using that "shade tree" machinist out of Texas ??? ;D
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OH HELL YES ! IN IN IN . I HATE sourcing parts. HATE it.
Murph, I'm in, don't care if there is a core charge or just a straight up purchase. IN.
Thanks,
Barry
PS - Way to step up and respond to customer needs with a solution... good on ya.
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I'm in like Flynn--whoever that is and as long as he's in.
Translation: I'm interested.
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I purchased the bearings and found a good bolt, but haven't done it yet. I would be interested.....
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Mine shifts smooth but I would be interested in an upgrade also.
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count me in as well, keep us posted
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Count me in for sure!
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The Joker is interested!!!!!
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Interested......
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Are you talking about machining a bolt that will accept the bearings and has a shoulder on it so the shifter can be torqued to factory specs?
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Spill the beans Murph!
:D
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Im interested.
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Count me in also.
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We need updates!
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Also interested!
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Will have details this weekend! :o
Murph
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Will have details this weekend! :o
Murph
Good, cause I need grips and maybe a few others and I am waiting to hear on this. Do you have grip puppies?
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Whew...Well we have most of the parts now, two machined spacers, three bearings, two stainless steel shims and a new Zinc 10.9 washer bolt ..I've been doing some really long hours guys and have no photos but wanted to let you know its pretty much done. I'll have some brand new shifters fitted with the whole set up or you can just get the above mentioned parts, for right now please just email me for the details (murphatmurphskits.com) We will be offering a "core" exchange if these get as popular as I think they will. Also, in the "shifting" of the forums deal I lost the information on who the first person was to mention these, if they will contact me I'll get the credits up as we metioned via emails..cause right now I can't even find your email :P
Murph
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Murph
Attached are all the Cached Google I could find on the C14 shifter mod. May give you a forum name ...
Brent
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Link (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=267.msg16230#msg16230) to Google cache Shifter mod stuff links.
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Any prices on this yet whether core exchange or buying outright? Just curious, thanks
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Also interested....
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I'm in pending details.
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DETAILS!!!
please.....
8)
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Details?? ..L.. I was hoping to work in a photo shoot and write the instructions today but that didn't happen.
But here ya go.. For all the parts shown in the photo below you have to send murph $20 8), If you want me to send you a shifter all bearinged up and ready to bolt on that will set you back $90. If you choose that option and send me your shifter I'll credit you $50, or if you want to send me your shifter and have me install the parts and ship it back to you, that will be $35...
Hows that?
Murph
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Are the bearings pressed in? Just trying to figure out the install requirements. Thanks
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They are
But a nice easy press, a c-clamp or vise works just fine..
Murph
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Murph, the order in the picture, is that the order they get pressed into the shifter arm?
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Murph
Just went to your web site to order a kit...
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=130 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=130)
Could not find shift bearing kit ...
How do we order? (Do we just send you an email or paypal?)
Brent
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They aren't on the site yet for now I'll take a few orders via paypal.
For the order it is
Stainless shim, bearing, bushing,bearing, bushing,bearing and stainless shim.
When you have the shifter off the bike its easy to knock out the plastic bushing. I opened my vice jaws wide enough for the bearing to pass through and knocked it out using a 1/2in bolt and small hammer.
After that I took the first bearing, and using the vise, pushed it in from one side. Remove the shifter with its one new bearing, and using the bolt place the rest of the assembly in the hole from the opposite end. The bearing you have installed will act as a guide for the rest. Place a socket on the side that has the new bearingso the bolt can pass through, push on the bolt head with the vise, and when you feel it get "snug" your there..
Hows that?
I've got a list of "have too" projects today but hope I make it to havingthis listed at the site tonight..till then paypal will work. I have the parts to sent out three shifters complete and about 13 more bearing kits..
Let me know
Murph
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What email for paypal?
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Murph, I want a set like you have pictured there. What is your Paypal address and I will send it over.
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Murph, I want a kit. Let me know where to send the money.
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I'm in for the 20.00 set, waiting for Paypal info.
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I'm in for a set as well.
-SparX
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Guys..
Sorry it looks like I'll not have em' on the site today.
.paypal to
murph (at) murpskits.com ya'll know to use @ in there :P notice it is not "murphskits"
$20 will do it..
Be sure to note its for "Bearinged up shifter" pack..
Murph
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Couldn't you source a button head allen bolt for this? It would look cleaner.
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Guys..
Sorry it looks like I'll not have em' on the site today.
.paypal to
murph (at) murpskits.com ya'll know to use @ in there :P notice it is not "murphskits"
$20 will do it..
Be sure to note its for "Bearinged up shifter" pack..
Murph
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You got money and mail ;)
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Murph...
You have my address just ship it...ASAP.
Ninja
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I just ordered a kit.
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Couldn't you source a button head allen bolt for this? It would look cleaner.
I second that
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Couldn't you source a button head allen bolt for this? It would look cleaner.
The bolt supplied is a DIN 10.9 , zinc, I'll see if I can find a bolt a bit more sexy that meets the strength specs
Murph
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The bolt supplied is a DIN 10.9 , zinc, I'll see if I can find a bolt a bit more sexy that meets the strength specs
Murph
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That's the bolt that I want, the sexy one.
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The bolt supplied is a DIN 10.9 , zinc, I'll see if I can find a bolt a bit more sexy that meets the strength specs
Murph
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That's the bolt that I want, the sexy one.
DITTO.....
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A heads up, the packs your getting doesn't have any instructions, and the nut thats on the end of the bolt is just to keep the parts in place, it is not used on the bike...BEcareful not to loose the little stainless shims that are on each end..
Murph
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We all want a sexier bolt Murph..make it happen for the rest of them....
Ninja
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Well I have sourced DIN 10.9 Button Sockets in zinc 8).. should have them by the end of the week,, I'll ship orders with both bolts ...Ninja you need to email me your address please..
all you early order dudes...you need to buy a whole new set :-X
Kidding
I'll send you the other bolt if you want it.
Murph
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Well I have sourced DIN 10.9 Button Sockets in zinc
I'll send you the other bolt if you want it.
No need to send one to me, I don't recall every looking at the shifter unless I wanted to raise or lower it.
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Murph, I wouldn't mind trying the button head. Mine was the burtonDOTdbATgmail.com address. Is there some way I can make up the difference for you?
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Murph, you got money.
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How much with shipping to Alaska at 99577?? For the $20.00 kit
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Rip
$20 covers it all ;)
Murph
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Murph,
Do we use the original washers that came on the bike from the factory as well or just yours? Thanks
Got a reply from Murph Via Email, just use what he sent and nothing from the original setup.
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Got it! Took all of 30 minutes to install. This is much nicer.
Thanks Murph!
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...anyone have the torque spec for the shifter???
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same as the oil pan bolt, nice and snug. I dunno, I actually wondered the same thing.
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The books say a Din 10.9 is 24 ft lbs dry.. Id go with a little 242 lock tite ( any brands "removeable" thread locker) and be happy at 14 to 20 Ft Lbs..Oh and the ( semi) sexy bolts are here...
::)
Murph
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Using Murphs suggestion for pressing in the new bearing/spacer stack, the removal of the old shifter sleeve/bolt, pressing in of new bearing/spacer stack, and reinstall of the shifter was a sub-10 minute process. Shifter is rock solid now. No play.
Barry
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Murph .... did you get my PM about the "sexy" bolt and the shim?
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I installed mine today....old style "non-sexy" bolt, but no biggie. Bearings fit the shifter perfectly. Slightly more pressure than fingers needed to push them in place, but not much more. The bike shifter well before, but is amazing now. The play from the lever is gone.
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Got the shifter, and got it installed.
Love it!!!
I thought the notchy shifting was me being lazy...
pulled the shifter, cleaned and lubed, and it was better.
Got Murphs bearinged up shifter...
and it is significantly better than a cleaned and lubed.
Shifting is much more precise, and "cleaner".
No dissappointment here!!!
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Nice.....I gotta get one!
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Amma' remind you all (Murph) that I was the one that mentioned I HAAATE sourcing parts. I suggested that someone (ahem, Murph!) should get on the bandwagon and charge us for sourcing the parts... I now give you:
BRILLIANT IDEA # 2
Murph, you need to obtain high quality vinyl decals for your shop, with your logo and URL on them. I'll run them on my SUV and on my bike(s).
That is all.
Barry
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I would run a decal...After shifting with his bearing shifter I was missing shifts all day on my suzuki. Its tough to go backwards....
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I installed mine yesterday. The install went smoothly, simple, just the say I like it. I didn't get a chance to try it out yesterday cuz I was having a few beers while I was working on the bike. I won't be trying it today either, it's storming at the moment.
The shifter feels nice and solid though.
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They are now... 8) On site
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/shopping_cart.php (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/shopping_cart.php)
Murph
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I received mine yesterday at work and installed the bearings and I am waiting on a "pretty" bhcs to come in today before installing on the bike.
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They are now... 8) On site
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/shopping_cart.php (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/shopping_cart.php)
Murph
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corrected URL http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=463 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=463)
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I received mine yesterday at work and installed the bearings and I am waiting on a "pretty" bhcs to come in today before installing on the bike.
Post up the pretty bolt...
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Post up the pretty bolt...
Nuttin special, just a ss bhcs
(http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/woeimages/fasteners/52105.jpg)
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This is the sexy bolt?
Ninja
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I printed it out poster-sized and hung it up in my garage with my Snap-on calendar.
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This is the sexy bolt?
Ninja
Sexier than the other one! I think Murph said the new one was zinc.
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Ninja..
umm how sexy do you think a bolt can be? 8) Hey guys, I'm way behind on emails and phone calls, so your not being ignored,,I didn't get to the office till about 1130PM
Murph
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This is the sexy bolt?
Ninja
The original was a hex head flange bolt
(http://www.boltmotorcyclehardware.com/images/M616.gif)
Which do you think is sexier ;D
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The original was a hex head flange bolt
(http://www.boltmotorcyclehardware.com/images/M616.gif)
Which do you think is sexier ;D
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Murph...just because you have bankers hours arriving at 11:30 am.....and question the hex bolts not being very sexy...that is NO excuse! I called you twice yesterday...long answering machine....have money for you.....all you have to do is call me back to get some of it....
Looks like a great accessory...will sell a ton of them...especially if there is a sexier bolt rather than a hex head on it...maybe an allen head bolt will match all the other bolts on the C-14 would be more attractive....send me the allen type if you can find one ....
Ninja
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Ninja..
Did you mean "murph"? Thats not 1130AM...thats PM..I got your phone message at about 12:05 AM This morning,
and as the message on the answering machine says it can be very hard for me to return a call...While ya'll know me as a hawker of motorcycle parts, theres another well paying customer thats required my attention 36 of the last 48 hours, and needs several more hours of my time the next two days. The commit on the the orginal "sexy" bolt was tonque in cheek... The kit is listed on the website, if your order comes through there I would bet Patty has it underway in less that 48 hours.
Best
Murph
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The original was a hex head flange bolt
(http://www.boltmotorcyclehardware.com/images/M616.gif)
Which do you think is sexier ;D
I'm leaning toward the one with the hole. Is this a trick question?
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Murph--PM sent to correct my screen name on your website ;)
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Joe,
Drop me an email too please! Once I have that address I can pull up the other emails.
thanks..and sorry.. :o
Murph
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Thanks Murph--email sent
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Dang'it Murph, ya made me spend more money... ;D
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Wayne,
Its a good thing! 8)
Joe, My webman sucked this up and took care of it without me even having to let him know. We will take care of the other business this weekend for ya'
Hey, you guys that sent me emails wanting the ..ummm"sexy" bolt that were early to order I intend to ship yours out this weekend. However,,looking over my list I know some one lost a stainless shim and needed a replacement, for the life of me I can't find that email . So if you could let me know via another email..I'll take care of that as well.
As ya'll thats been following this thread know, some non-motorcycle stuff has drilled me ( one more killer day) and I hope to get everything back in its place this weekend. I'm pretty sure Patty has everything taken care of as far as orders via the site, its just those emails pretaining to "special" offers ole murph made that may be parked :P
as Patty has said about 30 times this year "quit doing that" ???
Thanks again
Murph
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Received the bearing kit today and to my surprise a throttle rocker included! Thanks Murph!
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I received my bearing kit today. (ordered Wednesday). I wouldn't think that there would be much difference in feel due to my bike having just over 3k on it. I was wrong. Shifting is effortless. Up and down. Thanks Murph. Best $20.
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Ang
I figured you were good for the money ;) Patty shipped the other one today
Murph
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Hey guys....
You early birds that dropped me a note on wanting the "sexy" bolt, they are on the way..along with with a shim to the fellow that lost one ;D.. If you think it's worth it, about $3 from paypal will cover my cost.
Best
Murph
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I know some one lost a stainless shim and needed a replacement, for the life of me I can't find that email . So if you could let me know via another email..I'll take care of that as well.
Hey guys....
You early birds that dropped me a note on wanting the "sexy" bolt, they are on the way..along with with a shim to the fellow that lost one .. If you think it's worth it, about $3 from paypal will cover my cost.
Murph, I was the one that emailed you earlier about losing a shim. just saw the post and I sent you an email to say it was me and then saw another post that you had sent it out. Does that mean you found my email or did someone else lose one too?
Kenny .... ock913
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Hey folks,
I have a few emails wanting to know why the BUS (bearinged up shifter) has not turned up in some mail boxes. Very sorry as I have been out of the office and not able to respond to all the emails. We have had one part on back order so it kinda shut things down for a few days. After a hefty next day air shipping fee we are back in the biz of sending folks this product...
Best
Murph
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Ordered mine this morning ... along with the 90° valve stems.
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Oh, and...
DO NOT, forget to use loc-tite on the bolt. ::) I didn't have any around when I did the install, figured to just do it at lunch, the next day at work. (Got enough loc-tite in my tool box to do a fleet of bikes). Oops, forgot. Almost lost the "pretty" bolt while riding a few days later. :o
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Any pictures of it installed or being installed?
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Any pictures of it installed or being installed?
Doesn't really look any different installed except for a slightly smaller diam. bolt head. The install is pretty straight forward. Remove original bolt, press out bushing, press in bearings and spacers, install shim on either end of the installed bearings slide in new bolt, apply some loc-tite, tighten and you're good to go. It did not take much more than light force to remove the bushing and install the bearings / spacers.
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http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/docs/Bearinged%20Up%20Shifter.pdf (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/docs/Bearinged%20Up%20Shifter.pdf)
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Murph
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Well ok, if'n you want to do it the right way. I left everything connected and just did it by the bike. ;)
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I don't like posting this here but I would like to resolve the problem. I sent Murph payment via PayPal on the 16th for this kit. Then on the 23rd I ordered Two Throttle Rockers and had asked that they be sent together. All paymrnts went thru. So far I have received One Throttle Rocker and NO Bearinged up Shifter kit. I called and emailed with all the details as soon as I received the One Throttle Rocker but have gotten no responses.
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I don't like posting this here but I would like to resolve the problem. I sent Murph payment via PayPal on the 16th for this kit. Then on the 23rd I ordered Two Throttle Rockers and had asked that they be sent together. All paymrnts went thru. So far I have received One Throttle Rocker and NO Bearinged up Shifter kit. I called and emailed with all the details as soon as I received the One Throttle Rocker but have gotten no responses.
I'm sure he will take care of you.
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I'm sure he will. I havea ordered other items and reponses were always very prompt, thus my concern now.
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He's on vacation, which is probably part of the no response problem. I have a shifter on order, should be in the mail now. Crossing fingers and toes . . .
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To avoid misperceptions and worry in the future, we should ask Murph to post up when he's out of town.
BRILLIANT IDEA #3 !!!!
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Hey folks,
I have a few emails wanting to know why the BUS (bearinged up shifter) has not turned up in some mail boxes. Very sorry as I have been out of the office and not able to respond to all the emails. We have had one part on back order so it kinda shut things down for a few days. After a hefty next day air shipping fee we are back in the biz of sending folks this product...
Best
Murph
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Maybe this has something to do with it....
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My records indicate we responded with an email the 28th explaining your order had been confused with another. As mentioned on a post here, and noted by alpha, we had a supply problem on an item for the kits that has been resolved. I have also had an auto responder on our mail, and a note on the site we were out of the office and not shipping for a few days, which is over. I did get your email from last night, but only about an hour ago. I do recall a left phone message, to which I thought the 1st email addressed. I'll have your parts headed north tomorrow. ;)
Murph
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Thanks Murph, you are correct, you did send me an email explaining the delay, which I missed. Thanks for the great service, great products, and prompt follow up.
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Strange this topic hasn't come up in *8 years*. Anyway, I just installed Murph's "Bearinged Up" triple ball-bearing shifter today. Haven't ridden yet, that will be tonight. The instructions are a bit odd (nothing uses a 5mm allen wrench), but it was easy. I would say the instructions added confusion and delay, but even with that, it took maybe 15-20 min. Now that I know what to do, it would take maybe 5 min. Fit well- but the bearings weren't terribly tight- I could push the bearings in with my finger without too much effort. The web site says it might be necessary to "lock tite the bearings to the shifter", but I didn't bother. It feels very solid. Put the old parts in a little baggie and added it to the collection of "original stuff".
https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=463&osCsid=8gyGJIyI5UQ11nKiqOrJq1 (https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=463&osCsid=8gyGJIyI5UQ11nKiqOrJq1)
The bolt shipped now is black instead of silver. Isn't terribly pretty but I don't care much :)
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Anyway, I just installed Murph's "Bearinged Up" triple ball-bearing shifter today.
Even though I do have this same (older version) farkle on my C14, I have to think that this is the most un-needed almost un-noticable farkle ever created for the C14.
This is the farkle you chose to get your tools out and work on installing, instead of changing your air filter? Ha! ;D
You are a forum treasure max'! :thumbs:
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Even though I do have this same (older version) farkle on my C14, I have to think that this is the most un-needed almost un-noticable farkle ever created for the C14.
:) That is probably why it took me 8 years to get to it! At least it is cheap and easy.
This is the farkle you chose to get your tools out and work on installing, instead of changing your air filter? Ha! ;D
Well, there are things I can do alone and with reasonable effort, and things I can't. Filter has been here and ready, it will be installed when I do all the other stuff pending "under the covers." On my ZRX, it was a matter of removing the seat (10 seconds), removing the filter cover (30 seconds), and putting in the filter (5 seconds). On the Concours, fitted with fallover bars, it can be a multi-hour "experience" (depending on how cooperative it is).
You are a forum treasure max'! :thumbs:
I aim to please... or at least entertain!
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Haven't ridden yet, that will be tonight.
So, 2 trips, > 100 miles later. Good news and bad. The good news: Wow! It really DOES make a noticeable and pleasant difference/improvement! I should have done it ages ago.
Now the bad: A 1mm+ gap had opened up and it was no longer snug. I checked the bolt and it was still at 10ftlbs. Backed it out some and there was considerable and continuous resistance. So I tightened it to 15, then 20 and it was solid and the gap gone. Called my mechanic friend and he told me if that was going into aluminum, I should not have gone above 12 or so or risk stretching the threads (too late now), and I don’t know if it is going into aluminum, but it probably is. He also told me that by turning the bolt at all, I broke the lock-tite, and asked if I had cleaned the bolt before using the lock-tite. I said "no", the instructions said nothing about that. We debated if I should remove it, clean it, reapply locktite, and risk [additional, if there is any] damage, or just leave it alone now and monitor. I opted for leaving it alone....
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Hi Maxtog
I wouldn't worry too much about breaking the lok tite seal.
That stuff is pretty good. Although not as good as when it originally sets up it should still offer some
"stick" to the threads.
Keep an eye on it and see if it loosens. :)
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I opted for leaving it alone....
Kinda your favorite option about bike maintenance in general wouldn't you say? ;)
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Kinda your favorite option about bike maintenance in general wouldn't you say? ;)
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :popcorn:
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Well I cant leave well enough alone so I ordered one. Time for oil change so shifting is not as smooth. Going to try this out before oil change just to see if any difference.
Wayne
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Well I cant leave well enough alone so I ordered one. Time for oil change so shifting is not as smooth. Going to try this out before oil change just to see if any difference.
Well, don't tighten it to 20ftlbs like I did...
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fyi; When I installed my bearinged up shifter it would move in and out slightly {as the bearings were not tight in the shifter}.
{I think this may be what caused the gap that Maxtog had}
Murph had me put Loc Tite on the OD of the bearings.
(I think I used Surperglue Gel as that was what I had)
That prevented that little movement of the bearings inside the shifter.
Problem solved.
Ride safe, Ted
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fyi; When I installed my bearinged up shifter it would move in and out slightly {as the bearings were not tight in the shifter}. {I think this may be what caused the gap that Maxtog had}
Murph had me put Loc Tite on the OD of the bearings. (I think I used Surperglue Gel as that was what I had) That prevented that little movement of the bearings. Problem solved.
I was under the assumption that the movement meant that it wasn't tight enough. There certainly isn't any movement now. :/
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Well I finally got to test the bearing up. 12 days of a nasty virus. Finally feeling a bit better. My bike had a lot of slop. with over 60,000 on it it is understandable. The little plastic bushing was badly worn. Bearings fit nicely in mine. Did toss in a little loctite.
A great improvement on my bike. Real happy with it. May not be needed but if you have a high mileage bike and your shifter flops around.........
Wayne