Kawasaki Concours Forum
Riding => It's not a Concours - other Bikes => Topic started by: Awaz on July 09, 2013, 08:16:58 AM
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Regardless of whether you can afford one or not, it is always fun to shop around for a new motorcycle! The 2013 Multistrada caught my eye. Looks a bit too tall for my taste, but is a heck of a lot lighter than the C14. What do you guys think of it for two up riding comfort - mostly on slab and max 400 miles? Occasional dirt beaten path sounds nice, which I do not dare do with my C14.
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Cool bike, but I bet there are better places to get a recommendation on riding experience on one. ;)
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I have ridden one, simply put.....they are amazing. If you want a bike that is capable of embarrassing pretty much any bike out there with the right rider in the twisty stuff, can do mega long distance touring, top shelf brakes and suspension, and is very hard to keep the front wheel on the ground.....then it is the perfect bike. And as for dependability, my friend has had less issues than most with a C14. I was giggling the entire time I was riding it, that bike is scary fun!!!!
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Italian women are by far the highest maintenance of all the species.....and this one is just plain fugly!
It kind of reminds me of another, well known Italian celebrity.....
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When I was in the boy scouts we would send a new scout to a neighboring troop to borrow a sky hook.
Now Ducati employs it in their suspension. Go figure.
If money were no object I would own a Multistrada. I think it is too much bike for off road work though. I would choose the Super Tenere or Tiger Explorer XC for two up riding with some off-road capability.
Once you have ridden a bike with top notch suspension it will be hard to ride anything else. Just ask ZG.
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THIS is ugly? :o
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2013-Ducati-Multistrada-1200-S-Granturismo-02.jpg)(http://www.ducati.com/cms-web/upl/MediaGalleries/519/MediaGallery_519693/Color_Multistrada1200-S-GT_2013_Touring-Grey_1067x600.jpg)
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THIS is ugly? :o
Yeah, not my type...
Super Tennere on the other hand.....instant erection! IMO.
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2013-Ducati-Multistrada-1200-S-Granturismo-02.jpg)(http://www.ducati.com/cms-web/upl/MediaGalleries/519/MediaGallery_519693/Color_Multistrada1200-S-GT_2013_Touring-Grey_1067x600.jpg)
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Once you have ridden a bike with top notch suspension it will be hard to ride anything else. Just ask ZG.
:goodpost: :)
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Smaller fairing means les wind protection than a true sport-tourer. But I think it would a heck of a fun bike on the backroads. I doubt it's all that great offroad- but it would be better than the C14.
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Smaller fairing means les wind protection than a true sport-tourer. But I think it would a heck of a fun bike on the backroads. I doubt it's all that great offroad- but it would be better than the C14.
It is not a true sport touring bike, it is much all around better. ;)
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The Pike's Peak edition is stunning!
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It is not a true sport touring bike, it is much all around better. ;)
Oh I know it. I have a friend with a Weestrom I need to ride. And the new BMW 800 looks really nice. I'm pretty sure any bike after my C14 will be lower displacement.
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http://www.ktm.com/travel/1190-adventure-r-eu/highlights.html (http://www.ktm.com/travel/1190-adventure-r-eu/highlights.html)
Want top shelf off road manners? Power? Suspension? Technology? Look no farther and FWIW, KTM has a better track record when it comes to inclement weather riding and I think it's safe to say they have the upper hand for performance minded ADV riders. I see more and more of them on the trail doing serious riding and none of them look like pavement queens. Move over 990, a new sheriff is in the works.
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Neat bike, but not at all a machine I would choose for two up, or as a primary long distance bike.
I think an adventure bike makes for a great second bike. I owned a BMW GSA as my only bike for a while, and here in the midwest it lacked the wind protection needed for extending the riding season into the cold weather. I traded it in for an RT and was immediately reminded of why I NEED a bike with a big fairing.
FYI - I rode the new water cooled GS, and it absolutely rips! Smooth as butter too!
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FYI - I rode the new water cooled GS, and it absolutely rips! Smooth as butter too!
- does the new WC GS have the same switchgear as the K1600 ?
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Ducati Multistrada 1200 vs. BMW R1200GS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQdFNWXwt0Y#)
Warning NSFW. Numerous F bombs and other expletives. But "I don't care".
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"My Golden Retriever is homeless" :rotflmao:
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Love the cartoon- Hilarious!
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- does the new WC GS have the same switchgear as the K1600 ?
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No, it uses Kipass. Either way, the same discount applies for a tow. ;D
BMW came out with revised switches for the K16 that play nice in the heat.
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Neat bike, but not at all a machine I would choose for two up, or as a primary long distance bike.
I think an adventure bike makes for a great second bike. I owned a BMW GSA as my only bike for a while, and here in the midwest it lacked the wind protection needed for extending the riding season into the cold weather. I traded it in for an RT and was immediately reminded of why I NEED a bike with a big fairing.
FYI - I rode the new water cooled GS, and it absolutely rips! Smooth as butter too!
You are out of your mind, must be why the GS and Vstroms have such poor sales worldwide. :nuts: And my buddy rides 2 up on his Multistrada all the time, he has owned an FJR and a Roadglide, his Wife prefers the Ducati hands down. And with more weather protection comes more weight and more plastic, both of which I am no longer interested in.
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You are out of your mind, must be why the GS and Vstroms have such poor sales worldwide. :nuts: And my buddy rides 2 up on his Multistrada all the time, he has owned an FJR and a Roadglide, his Wife prefers the Ducati hands down. And with more weather protection comes more weight and more plastic, both of which I am no longer interested in.
Okay, I am out of my mind for not enjoying riding s bike with little wind protection in 30 degree temps. You know everything, and in spite of me owning a vstrom which I nicknamed the "junkstrom" and my opinion is mot valid, and yours is imperically correct.
I live in the Midwest, and tend to prefer long rides. The junkstrom, and the gsa were not at all ideal in my opinion as my only bike based on those factors. If i still lived in San Diego, it might be a different story.
Stop production of all faired bikes, Pokey has deemed them junk and too heavy.
Geez..
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Okay, I am out of my mind for not enjoying riding s bike with little wind protection in 30 degree temps. You know everything, and in spite of me owning a vstrom which I nicknamed the "junkstrom" and my opinion is mot valid, and yours is imperically correct.
I live in the Midwest, and tend to prefer long rides. The junkstrom, and the gsa were not at all ideal in my opinion as my only bike based on those factors. If i still lived in San Diego, it might be a different story.
Stop production of all faired bikes, Pokey has deemed them junk and too heavy.
Geez..
Not just me saying it.......if the ADV bikes like the Stroms/GS/Tenere/KTM Adventure/Tiger/Multistrada/Vstrom's etc, were not selling well and were not beloved all around the world and gaining in popularity here, then I would be wrong. And you liking what you like is not you being out of your mind, just calling an ADV bike more of a better 2nd bike. Now you calling a Vstrom a "junkstrom" is quite comical, not all quality bikes have to be expensive and have all the bells and whistles which you very obviously get a chub over. And I bet I ride and or have ridden in just as foul weather as you, and I have never had an issue doing it on a Strom or any of the other un-faired bikes I have owned or currently own. Comes down to what you like, how you like to ride, and what suits you, but an ADV bike is far from a second bike. Matter of fact other than maybe a Goldwing and some of the sport touring machines, more elite long distance riders would choose a GS over anything on 2 wheels. Now where did I say that faired bikes are junk and too heavy? You like heavy, hot and powerful bikes with lots of plastic and lots of weather protection, where for me less seems to be more. Now go make sweet love to your expensive gourmet bikes, and I will go and enjoy the hell out of my cheap ass junkstrom. And yes you are out of your mind for riding allot in 30 degree temps, have fun with that.
Geez.......
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I'm selling my Connie (55,000 miles, love her, but more like a sister than a wife love) because the F8GS may not offer as much protection but properly suited it has been quite comfy in the teens for longish rides of 6 hours or so. Best investments are the gerbings Jacket liner and Hippo hands. Never needed the Gerbings glove liners, but I did wear a scarf and my toes got cold :o
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I have to agree with eng943 in that an adventure bike makes a great second bike to the concours. The Concours is just too dam hot to ride in the heat of summer! There is literally no wind across my body below my shoulders unless there is a cross wind blowing. July, August and September will see the most miles on the Versys.
When you ride year round in temps that range from 100 degrees with heat index over 110, to 28 degrees with wind chill into the teens, you need more than one bike.
I have over 16,000 miles ridden so far in 2013 and as of today the Connie put on the most miles with the Voyager a close second. By the end of September the Versys will have caught up.
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I have to agree with eng943 in that an adventure bike makes a great second bike to the concours. The Concours is just too dam hot to ride in the heat of summer! There is literally no wind across my body below my shoulders unless there is a cross wind blowing. July, August and September will see the most miles on the Versys.
When you ride year round in temps that range from 100 degrees with heat index over 110, to 28 degrees with wind chill into the teens, you need more than one bike.
I have over 16,000 miles ridden so far in 2013 and as of today the Connie put on the most miles with the Voyager a close second. By the end of September the Versys will have caught up.
But you can ride any of the mentioned ADV bikes year round and across the dang country if ya want, and still be comfy to relatively comfy. AND.......you can hit some of those off the beaten path roads as well, and.........if you drop one you might have little to no damage. Pick it up, and go about your way. The Multistrada "which is what we were talking about" is an excellent touring bike, there are plenty of articles and riders that will back that up. And imagine this.....it has more hp than the C14 does and it weighs much less. :o
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ducati/2013-ducati-multistrada-1200-s-touring-ar138376.html (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ducati/2013-ducati-multistrada-1200-s-touring-ar138376.html)
Ducati Multistrada 1200 v BMW GS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjDOcfMlrqw#ws)
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The vid sure didn't do the Duc any favors. Looks like a great street bike.
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But you can ride any of the mentioned ADV bikes year round and across the dang country if ya want, and still be comfy to relatively comfy. AND.......you can hit some of those off the beaten path roads as well, and.........if you drop one you might have little to no damage. Pick it up, and go about your way. The Multistrada "which is what we were talking about" is an excellent touring bike, there are plenty of articles and riders that will back that up. And imagine this.....it has more hp than the C14 does and it weighs much less. :o
Sure you can, but would you want to. I would have to have heated pant liners or at least heated boot liners to keep warm enough on the Versys in freezing temps at 55 mph. On the Voyager I can ride all day long with heated seat, vest, and grips. I havent tried the Concours on a real cold day yet. Just got the heated vest wired up in time for the 2013 Moonshine lunch run.
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Not just me saying it.......if the ADV bikes like the Stroms/GS/Tenere/KTM Adventure/Tiger/Multistrada/Vstrom's etc, were not selling well and were not beloved all around the world and gaining in popularity here, then I would be wrong. And you liking what you like is not you being out of your mind, just calling an ADV bike more of a better 2nd bike. Now you calling a Vstrom a "junkstrom" is quite comical, not all quality bikes have to be expensive and have all the bells and whistles which you very obviously get a chub over. And I bet I ride and or have ridden in just as foul weather as you, and I have never had an issue doing it on a Strom or any of the other un-faired bikes I have owned or currently own. Comes down to what you like, how you like to ride, and what suits you, but an ADV bike is far from a second bike. Matter of fact other than maybe a Goldwing and some of the sport touring machines, more elite long distance riders would choose a GS over anything on 2 wheels. Now where did I say that faired bikes are junk and too heavy? You like heavy, hot and powerful bikes with lots of plastic and lots of weather protection, where for me less seems to be more. Now go make sweet love to your expensive gourmet bikes, and I will go and enjoy the hell out of my cheap ass junkstrom. And yes you are out of your mind for riding allot in 30 degree temps, have fun with that.
Geez.......
I don't care who says "it", I'm no lemming, and I have owned an ADV bike. I love them, but not as my only bike or my two up bike of choice.
I ride with IBA guys that have GS's, and the last ride we did together we rode from Chicago to the UP, and into the night as temps dropped finally bottoming out at 29 degrees they were crying uncle while I was nice and toasty out of the wind on my C14. I know how they feel, I've experienced that.
Of course someone can ride them however and in whatever conditions they care to. That was not my point. The point is....I don't want to make a longer ride harder than it needs to be by being beaten up by weather on a bike with much less wind protection. Even my GSA left me too much in the open during rain/cold. I want to extend my short little riding season as long as possible, and my pillion likes room and wind protection. Even the C14 is less than ideal for her.
I don't begrudge you for having a different opinion that's fine.. we're human beings. However, when they way you articulate that right out of the box is by being insulting, then fair warning dude, I'm going to come back at you if that is how you do biz.
I stand by my statement, and it's a valid counterpoint that an ADV bike is a better second bike than it is a long distance two up weapon. It works for you, we get it, but don't ram it down our throats and insist it's right for all.
Moving on, and that all said, the Multi is a great bike, no question.
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Sure you can, but would you want to. I would have to have heated pant liners or at least heated boot liners to keep warm enough on the Versys in freezing temps at 55 mph. On the Voyager I can ride all day long with heated seat, vest, and grips. I havent tried the Concours on a real cold day yet. Just got the heated vest wired up in time for the 2013 Moonshine lunch run.
If it isn't a minimum of 40 degrees I won't go out, so I reckon it is a non issue for me. :) I gotta hand it to y'all that brave those freezing temps, although I would MUCH rather do that than 90 degrees any day.
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I don't care who says "it", I'm no lemming, and I have owned an ADV bike. I love them, but not as my only bike or my two up bike of choice.
I ride with IBA guys that have GS's, and the last ride we did together we rode from Chicago to the UP, and into the night as temps dropped finally bottoming out at 29 degrees they were crying uncle while I was nice and toasty out of the wind on my C14. I know how they feel, I've experienced that.
Of course someone can ride them however and in whatever conditions they care to. That was not my point. The point is....I don't want to make a longer ride harder than it needs to be by being beaten up by weather on a bike with much less wind protection. Even my GSA left me too much in the open during rain/cold. I want to extend my short little riding season as long as possible, and my pillion likes room and wind protection. Even the C14 is less than ideal for her.
I don't begrudge you for having a different opinion that's fine.. we're human beings. However, when they way you articulate that right out of the box is by being insulting, then fair warning dude, I'm going to come back at you if that is how you do biz.
I stand by my statement, and it's a valid counterpoint that an ADV bike is a better second bike than it is a long distance two up weapon. It works for you, we get it, but don't ram it down our throats and insist it's right for all.
Moving on, and that all said, the Multi is a great bike, no question.
Never said it was right for all, but you would be very incorrect to say they cannot make an ideal long distance and 2 up touring bike, when many in fact choose them just for that. What got my panties in a twist was you making the ADV style bike as a better 2nd bike option, but if that is just "best for you" than that makes much more sense. You like bikes that block everything and has all the good stuff, but there are those of us that do not want or need all of that. And me being insulting is how you see it, I just called you out on what I felt was a ridiculous statement. You like the high end bikes it seems, and yeah I admit the "junkstrom" comment pissed me off a bit, you make it seem like they are some garbage bike that is beneath you owning or riding. Good thing we have many bikes to choose from, would be a travesty to be stuck with a machine you disliked and didnt work for you.
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40? I close my vents on the front, but other than that? When it gets to 32 I will close the back and I may put on a thermal shirt and a neck gaitor. My fav riding temp is 50ish, anything above 70 and I'm cooking like an egg in a hot skillet :o My brain is indeed scrambled ;D
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40? I close my vents on the front, but other than that? When it gets to 32 I will close the back and I may put on a thermal shirt and a neck gaitor. My fav riding temp is 50ish, anything above 70 and I'm cooking like an egg in a hot skillet :o My brain is indeed scrambled ;D
I stay plenty warm below 40, just don't enjoy nor do I want to ride below that temp. I agree with ya on temps in the 50's, that is about perfect IMHO! Heat in the Summer really isnt the problem, it is the horrific humidity that I hate. :(
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The Multistrada is a great bike with the following peculiarities (related to "enduro like" bikes or crossover, as you like, such as GS, Super Teneré, etc.):
- top quality
- top performance engine
- top electronics
- top price >:(
- good but not the top protection
- good but not the top bag capacity
- "zero" off road capabilities
It's a powerful streetbike with a more erect (and comfortable?) posture
It WAS unique until the new KTM 1190 Adventure came out, with the same performances (150 HP !!!) and very good off road capabilities.
All this for around 4,000 euro less!!!
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The Multistrada is way too expensive....
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I don't care who says "it", I'm no lemming, and I have owned an ADV bike. I love them, but not as my only bike or my two up bike of choice.
I ride with IBA guys that have GS's, and the last ride we did together we rode from Chicago to the UP, and into the night as temps dropped finally bottoming out at 29 degrees they were crying uncle while I was nice and toasty out of the wind on my C14. I know how they feel, I've experienced that.
Of course someone can ride them however and in whatever conditions they care to. That was not my point. The point is....I don't want to make a longer ride harder than it needs to be by being beaten up by weather on a bike with much less wind protection. Even my GSA left me too much in the open during rain/cold. I want to extend my short little riding season as long as possible, and my pillion likes room and wind protection. Even the C14 is less than ideal for her.
I don't begrudge you for having a different opinion that's fine.. we're human beings. However, when they way you articulate that right out of the box is by being insulting, then fair warning dude, I'm going to come back at you if that is how you do biz.
I stand by my statement, and it's a valid counterpoint that an ADV bike is a better second bike than it is a long distance two up weapon. It works for you, we get it, but don't ram it down our throats and insist it's right for all.
Moving on, and that all said, the Multi is a great bike, no question.
Following your logic, the Concours would not be my only bike and is definitely not comfortable enough for two up riding. My wife will not even think about riding on the Concours when I have the Voyager in the garage. The Concours is way too hot in the summer months to ride around with protective gear on.
Let's face it. The perfect bike is three bikes in the garage. or in my case, six. :)
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The Multistrada is a great bike with the following peculiarities (related to "enduro like" bikes or crossover, as you like, such as GS, Super Teneré, etc.):
- top quality
- top performance engine
- top electronics
- top price >:(
- good but not the top protection
- good but not the top bag capacity
- "zero" off road capabilities
It's a powerful streetbike with a more erect (and comfortable?) posture
It WAS unique until the new KTM 1190 Adventure came out, with the same performances (150 HP !!!) and very good off road capabilities.
All this for around 4,000 euro less!!!
;)
The Multistrada is way too expensive....
The new KTM is NASTY!!!! :hail: I don't feel the Multi is overpriced at all, especially compared to all its competition. The Multi is not as good offroad as the KTM, and the KTM is not as good onroad as the Multi. That is why the Tenere and the GS is such an amazing machine. Of course I can get all that with my cheap ass junky Vstrom and still have allot of money to spend on "whatever". 8)
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Following your logic, the Concours would not be my only bike and is definitely not comfortable enough for two up riding. My wife will not even think about riding on the Concours when I have the Voyager in the garage. The Concours is way too hot in the summer months to ride around with protective gear on.
Let's face it. The perfect bike is three bikes in the garage. or in my case, six. :)
No, because I do not insist that what works for me must work fir you. I ride my C14 in full aerostitch year round.
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Let's face it. The perfect bike is three bikes in the garage. or in my case, six. :)
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No, because I do not insist that what works for me must work fir you. I ride my C14 in full aerostitch year round.
You must live in Canada or Alaska is all I have to say. You would never be able to wear a stitch in the southeast in the summer and survive.
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You must live in Canada or Alaska is all I have to say. You would never be able to wear a stitch in the southeast in the summer and survive.
That would make for a bad case of swamp ass and sweaty balls. :yikes:
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You must live in Canada or Alaska is all I have to say. You would never be able to wear a stitch in the southeast in the summer and survive.
Really...never in the southeast? First, it's frequently just as hot and humid in Illinois, and second I in fact did wear it while riding from Illinois to North Carolina in July when temps were over 100 degrees.
I'm a retired fireman, you don't know hot. ;)
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'Stitch year round. I wanna say 114 in Death Valley a few years ago, vents open and evapo vest. Fact of the matter, long rides in hot environments a mesh jacket will leave you dehydrated quicker than a 'Stitch, perspiration is evaporated much quicker. Once your body runs out of juice your "Toast".
Ever wonder why GIs in action have their sleeves down? Science. Rapid vs controlled evaporation. FWIW, I have never heard someone complain of having too much on when they have an off, but plenty who wished they had more :o
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FWIW, I have never heard someone complain of having too much on when they have an off, but plenty who wished they had more
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'Stitch year round. I wanna say 114 in Death Valley a few years ago, vents open and evapo vest. Fact of the matter, long rides in hot environments a mesh jacket will leave you dehydrated quicker than a 'Stitch, perspiration is evaporated much quicker. Once your body runs out of juice your "Toast".
Ever wonder why GIs in action have their sleeves down? Science. Rapid vs controlled evaporation. FWIW, I have never heard someone complain of having too much on when they have an off, but plenty who wished they had more :o
There is a big difference riding in hot dry conditions and hot humid conditions There is very little evaporation happening in south Georgia and Alabama with the humidity of 98% and heat indexes of 115.
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Sounds like home.
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There is a big difference riding in hot dry conditions and hot humid conditions There is very little evaporation happening in south Georgia and Alabama with the humidity of 98% and heat indexes of 115.
Spent 3 years in Savannah, GA at Hunter Army Airfield-Ocean on one side swamp on the rest. BTDT, I'd still be wearing the stitch. 3 years in MD as well. No change. Hot is hot. I will choose sweat over blood all day long, all I need to do is stay hydrated. The beauty of high humidity and a moving motorcycle? You still have gas in the tank ;D
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Spent 3 years in Savannah, GA at Hunter Army Airfield-Ocean on one side swamp on the rest. BTDT, I'd still be wearing the stitch. 3 years in MD as well. No change. Hot is hot. I will choose sweat over blood all day long, all I need to do is stay hydrated. The beauty of high humidity and a moving motorcycle? You still have gas in the tank ;D
I'll choose Mesh with CE Armor and good abrasion resisance in the impact points. There are many many choices out there other than Stitch or blood. Are you a former BMW owner?
How many years ago were you in Savannah? If more than 7 then you might want to visit to refresh your memory.
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I could poke myself in the eye again, but what's the point? We already have one Pokey ;)
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I could poke myself in the eye again, but what's the point? We already have one Pokey ;)
Just noticed you do have a BMW. Drinking the koolaid I see.
Tell me, do you wear the stitch when riding all of your bikes? If not, why not since it provided such great protection?
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Just noticed you do have a BMW. Drinking the koolaid I see.
Tell me, do you wear the stitch when riding all of your bikes? If not, why not since it provided such great protection?
Wow. What a dumb ass. :o
FWIW, yes, I wear it whenever I am entering the asphalt jungle. When I purchased the 'Stitch used (from TCro) the only plated bike I had at the time was the Connie.
I prefer cherry or grape koolaid sweatened with real sugar, I bet you use some artificial sweatner? :P ;D
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I love sweet tea with pure can sugar myself!!!!! :thumbs:
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Just noticed you do have a BMW. Drinking the koolaid I see.
Tell me, do you wear the stitch when riding all of your bikes? If not, why not since it provided such great protection?
Oh I see, the stitch only works on the Bimmer's. Now you tell me.
Anyone interested in a sweaty roadcrafter 44R that I was not afraid to wear in the Southeast in summer? Might be a bit large in the crotch for some. ;)
I think we all know different riders have different tolerances for temps, and/or make compromises based on protection they seek. The stitch is the best thing going IMO, and offers the best compromise of hot/cold/wet weather capability. I have Joe Rocket mesh with the impact protection, and I have used it for a short ride to the store or something. However, I know it would be vaporized in about 10ft if I laid the bike down.
Anyway, now I need to sell my stitch or my C14 I guess. ;D
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I love sweet tea with pure can sugar myself!!!!! :thumbs:
Kinda funny, but I fell in love with unsweetend sun tea during my tour in GA. To this day it is my all time fav, but it's gotta be fresh.
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Oh I see, the stitch only works on the Bimmer's. Now you tell me.
Anyone interested in a sweaty roadcrafter 44R that I was not afraid to wear in the Southeast in summer? Might be a bit large in the crotch for some. ;)
I think we all know different riders have different tolerances for temps, and/or make compromises based on protection they seek. The stitch is the best thing going IMO, and offers the best compromise of hot/cold/wet weather capability. I have Joe Rocket mesh with the impact protection, and I have used it for a short ride to the store or something. However, I know it would be vaporized in about 10ft if I laid the bike down.
Anyway, now I need to sell my stitch or my C14 I guess. ;D
I guess that is why all the MotoGP racers wear roadcrafters. BTW, there is quality gear out there with cordura and kevlar abrasion protection, CE armor and mesh panels so you can be comfortable and protected. Why would you use a joe rocket mesh jacket when there is much better protection out there?
I mix a dash of lemonaide in my unsweet sun tea.
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I don't like sun tea. Kind of a sissy drink.
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I guess that is why all the MotoGP racers wear roadcrafters. BTW, there is quality gear out there with cordura and kevlar abrasion protection, CE armor and mesh panels so you can be comfortable and protected. Why would you use a joe rocket mesh jacket when there is much better protection out there?
I mix a dash of lemonaide in my unsweet sun tea.
Point to where I said the stitch should be worn by all, and is the only game in town? I simply said I like my stitch, and find it to be the best option for varying conditions/protection.
Yes, I don't stitch up to go the store, or run an errand, etc. I occasionally wear the JR mesh, but as far as fall protection is concerned, it's JUNK. A risk I accept for short runs and low speeds.
Wear what you like....ride what you like, but don't try and bust my balls for what works for me.
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put the handbag down and step away slowly.
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Hmm, thought this was a thread on the Multistrada :o
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lol ! I was thinking about that too ! Guess like the bike, this thread is a 'multi' as well. Goes with the theme!
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I myself have never cared for the whole adventure bike thing, the look, the idea etc...So, I don't have any plans on buying one, right now if I chose to, I'd get the smaller VStrom. I did however see the new Honda 500cc twin that calls itself a kind of adventure bike. I know, I know, too small, looks only, blah, blah, blah. The idea is kinda cool. Inexpensive, unintimidating to new riders, but certainly appealing to experienced riders, able to get out of its own way, good looking, great fuel mileage, light, low seat height, a street bike that looks like it could do a little dirt. So, the 2013 Ducati is a good bike, everything I've read is good, everyone who rides it likes it. The BMW I'm sure is a good bike, I'm very interested in that new motor. But, for me way too expensive. BTW, I ride with a Joe rocket mesh jacket all summer long, when it gets above 85F, I ride the KZ. When it gets below 65F or so consistently, I switch to a Joe rocket textile jacket. Personally, I don't see myself buying an aerostitch suit, nice, but not for me.
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There is an F800GS, a 1200GS, or Tiger 800 XC in my very near future.
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Now, I think the Tiger is interesting. Maybe its the motor I don't know, but it is different.
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There is an F800GS, a 1200GS, or Tiger 800 XC in my very near future.
On side note, I may not be crazy about the multi strada. But Ducati putting bags on a bad-azz world beater super motard and naming it "hyperstrada" is pure brilliance
(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/medium/2013-ducati-hyperstrada-shows-up-medium_2.jpg)
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There is an F800GS, a 1200GS, or Tiger 800 XC in my very near future.
And I know guys on ADV bikes like those, who can give super sport riders a run for their money in the twisty bits. 8)
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Now, I think the Tiger is interesting. Maybe its the motor I don't know, but it is different.
The triple is amazing, however "IMHO" it is just not an ideal engine for an ADV bike. V's and boxer twins are the ideal engine "damn fast too" but it does appear that the 800 Tiger has one sweet do it all engine.
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I have been considering adding a Dual Sport to the corral but haven't pulled the trigger because I just haven't found the "right" fit. I've considered a DRZ400, a DR650, and XL, KLR, WR, blah, blah, blah. All do parts of what I want, but none completely fill the bill.
Recently, I've thought about going the ADV route instead, but with the prices, the chosen machine would have to become my primary motorcycle and replace the Concours. Just too much money tied up between my wants. Maybe my expectations are too high, but I want an "almost everything" bike. Not saying I am going to go MX, but want something that can handle the occasional single-track, or donkey trail.
I saw the info on the Multistrada and thought, it worth a look, so late last week I stopped in at the local dealership and took a gander. Beautiful!!!!! But still not what I am seeking. First of all, the cost alone would keep me on the pavement. Too much damage to be done off-road. Second, it has a feel of high-maintenance. I have nothing to back that up, but just my gut. Third, still too heavy for what I want to do. Trust me, it looks like a lot of fun, but not for me. I've got the same reaction to the Tigers, although the 800 is closer to my wish.
Actually, if I was going to go the Adventure route, I would probably go with the Super Tenere. It is a pretty complete set up, for maybe $10k less that the European options. They offer the 600 overseas, but too bad it is not available in the US. I THINK it would fit my bill.
Oh well, back to the hunt. In my searching, I think I will end up just adding a DR400 to the garage.