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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #260 on: May 22, 2016, 06:28:47 AM »
Thanks.  It was my first attempt.  I had it mounted behind the windscreen so you can see the gauges, which is fun, but you pay the price by having to look through it. Basically, on bike video is not that exciting unless you're John McGuinness riding the IoM.

I really got it to take a picture a minute for our trip out west in June.  So much beauty we fly by and never take pictures of.  No clue how it will do, we shall see.  I did learn that you kill a battery in 120 pictures/2 hours taking pictures and 45 minutes taking video, so I bought more batteries.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #261 on: May 22, 2016, 08:52:15 AM »
  I don't think it can be "calculated" because the engine is ingesting what comes into the intake and the ratio changes depending on road speed and rpm. in other words if you're in 4th gear / 140 mph / 10k rpm you would use more of the air coming into the intake than if you were in 5th / 140 / 8000 rpm. So I did it the old fashioned way, I rode up to some very high speed (under controlled circumstances) and recorded the events.  Here's some info on that ... 5th gear / 9k / on the dyno - 1.2" HG vacuum. Same conditions but on the road .25"HG vacuum. so you can see that the ram air is having an effect, though I never saw it go into positive pressure.

One site I was looking at claimed about 5hp for the ram-air effect on the C14 (they don't say at what rpm or speed, but I can assume near top on both), which seems to have face validity.  So it is not like it is huge, even if it was ignored.  Your findings of never going positive in the manifold don't surprise me.  BTW, speaking of manifold pressure, I just saw an H2 sitting at my local dealer (and that did surprise me).

It would be so much easier if the bike used air-mass and O2 sensors like even not-so-modern cars do.  Probably just a space and cost thing.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #262 on: May 22, 2016, 03:39:35 PM »
The newer ones use O2 sensors.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #263 on: May 22, 2016, 05:41:44 PM »
The newer ones use O2 sensors.

As I recently discovered... but the real deal is the air mass sensor!
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #264 on: May 22, 2016, 09:05:54 PM »
The newer ones use O2 sensors.

Mine is a 10 month 2013 build date, but sold in 2014 it has no oxygen sensors. When speaking to Moto garage dyno specialist in Canberra Australia, he said some of the Australian models have oxygen sensors some don't. Apparently Europe models have oxygen sensors. But from what I have been told with the ECU upgrade the oxygen sensors are turned off.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #265 on: May 22, 2016, 10:04:32 PM »
Mine is a 10 month 2013 build date, but sold in 2014 it has no oxygen sensors. When speaking to Moto garage dyno specialist in Canberra Australia, he said some of the Australian models have oxygen sensors some don't. Apparently Europe models have oxygen sensors.

Starting with the 2015 model, every Concours sold in the world uses an O2 sensor.  Before then, certain markets, including USA/CA didn't have them, even though EU did.  Bizarre but true.

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But from what I have been told with the ECU upgrade the oxygen sensors are turned off.

What ECU upgrade?
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #266 on: May 23, 2016, 06:01:15 AM »
And from whom would one get such an ecu upgrade?  Steve will be chiming in shortly, I'm sure.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #267 on: May 23, 2016, 10:59:23 AM »
It would be so much easier if the bike used air-mass and O2 sensors like even not-so-modern cars do.  Probably just a space and cost thing.

While we are dreaming, let's throw in a knock sensor...imagine what Steve could do if we had a knock sensor as a safety net.
(This assumes of course that I have any inkling of what I'm talking about, which may not be the case, at least in this instance. I'm sure someone will let me know.  ???)

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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #268 on: May 24, 2016, 04:44:08 PM »
Sent off my ECU last Tuesday (couldn't get to the post office on Monday as originally hoped) and it arrived, post-flash from Steve, yesterday. Less than a week turnaround time, shipping time included.

Installed the ECU during lunch today. Fired up right away and while the idle was a little high at about 1500 RPM, the bike settled down to a more reasonable 1100 after a couple of minutes.

Temps are warm here in the MS Delta (about 88 F.) and when I climbed on board and headed back to work, it took no time for the bike to get up to temp.

I don't have but a few miles of city streets to get back to work, so a full-on review hasn't been done yet, but just to check the "snatchiness factor" I tried an OD rollon at 35 mph. Nothing but sheer torque -- no snatch, no hiccups, no burps, no farts, no backfires.

At only one point could I perform an aggressive start over a couple gears; at 60 mph I had to do an immediate slowdown, but from what I can gauge at this point, the flash is a keeper.

Good job, Steve! Will try to review more thoroughly over the coming weekend.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #269 on: May 28, 2016, 03:09:48 PM »
This is quite amazing....  Got 51mpg going down south 75-80mph on I95/85.  Coming home got 55mpg and this is with the CB ultra tour dome barn door screen (nearly all the way down) with a mixture of two lane and Interstate driving.  To say that I'm well pleased with this development is an understatement.  I have never seen those numbers before I got the flash.  I will say that I've never experienced issues with driveability before or after the flash.  Power does seem better though.  I had this sentence popping up in my head the whole time today out of the blue....'this is a serious motorcycle'.  Probably one of the voices I hear but that one is on my side this time.   :thumbs:
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« Reply #270 on: May 28, 2016, 04:31:02 PM »
I have only put about 800 miles on my new to me 2010. Averaging about 35 mpg. I might be a little heavy on the throttle though.I may need to get the flash sooner than later.
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This is quite amazing....  Got 51mpg going down south 75-80mph on I95/85.  Coming home got 55mpg and this is with the CB ultra tour dome barn door screen (nearly all the way down) with a mixture of two lane and Interstate driving.  To say that I'm well pleased with this development is an understatement.  I have never seen those numbers before I got the flash.  I will say that I've never experienced issues with driveability before or after the flash.  Power does seem better though.  I had this sentence popping up in my head the whole time today out of the blue....'this is a serious motorcycle'.  Probably one of the voices I hear but that one is on my side this time.   :thumbs:
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #271 on: May 28, 2016, 04:37:55 PM »
Pre-flash, I was averaging about 38 mpg. Mostly in-town riding. Remains to be seen what I'll get this weekend.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #272 on: May 28, 2016, 09:23:33 PM »
Pre-flash, I was averaging about 38 mpg. Mostly in-town riding. Remains to be seen what I'll get this weekend.

I seem to average 42.  Ghul flash didn't seem to affect fuel economy (nor smoothness) at all, just performance/responsiveness.

Ah the magic 42... my MPG, my tire pressures, the age I was when I bought the Concours, and the answer to the ultimate question too.
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« Reply #273 on: May 28, 2016, 09:34:22 PM »
Yes, I get 42MPG pre-flash no matter how I ride.  Flash evaluation begins tomorrow.
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« Reply #274 on: May 29, 2016, 07:08:18 PM »
the Multi is 100 lbs lighter than our bike (both without bags), but has a chain. The Connie definitely doesn't have more power than the Multi's 160HP at the crank. Plus has taller gearing, so something doesn't add up. Either Ducati lied about its power, or the Multi rider isn't very good ::). Don't think our bike has more than Duc's 100 lb/ft or torque either. I don't remember if Multis have a quick-shifter or not. Our bikes don't like rushed shifts, either clutched or clutchless, so that's not an advantage either. Weird, but glad to learn it hangs with it. And after seeing the basically unchanged FJR, I don't think Kawi is pressured to change the Connie yet. It's still the best sport-tourer IMO, especially with price included in the equation.

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« Reply #275 on: May 29, 2016, 09:19:35 PM »
the Multi is 100 lbs lighter than our bike (both without bags), but has a chain. The Connie definitely doesn't have more power than the Multi's 160HP at the crank. Plus has taller gearing, so something doesn't add up. Either Ducati lied about its power, or the Multi rider isn't very good ::). Don't think our bike has more than Duc's 100 lb/ft or torque either. I don't remember if Multis have a quick-shifter or not. Our bikes don't like rushed shifts, either clutched or clutchless, so that's not an advantage either. Weird, but glad to learn it hangs with it. And after seeing the basically unchanged FJR, I don't think Kawi is pressured to change the Connie yet. It's still the best sport-tourer IMO, especially with price included in the equation.

  My connie has 160 hp at the rear wheel, over 100# TQ.  Area P exhaust and Shoodaben Flash . Steve

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« Reply #276 on: May 30, 2016, 05:29:12 AM »
  My connie has 160 hp at the rear wheel, over 100# TQ.  Area P exhaust and Shoodaben Flash . Steve
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« Reply #277 on: May 30, 2016, 06:15:57 AM »
The Connie definitely doesn't have more power than the Multi's 160HP at the crank.

Factory at-the-crank C14 is nearly so (157.7@8,800 with RAM).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_1400GTR

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Don't think our bike has more than Duc's 100 lb/ft or torque either.

Actually, the C14 is100 lbf·ft @ 6,200 rpm (crank), a full 1,300 rpm's LOWER than the Multistrada....

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Our bikes don't like rushed shifts, either clutched or clutchless,

I am not sure what you mean by rushed shifts, but I have no trouble with fast shifting on mine.  I am no shifting expert, but it shifts as well or better than any motorcycle I have driven (which, admittedly, is only about 4).  And I have no trouble with clutchless upshifting, either.

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Either Ducati lied about its power, or the Multi rider isn't very good ::)

You cannot tell the total performance of an engine by knowing just the peak HP and torque; it doesn't reveal all the rest of the area under the curve [of a dyno test].  But the rider does have a lot to do with everything.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #278 on: May 30, 2016, 10:41:54 AM »
the Multi is 100 lbs lighter than our bike (both without bags), but has a chain. The Connie definitely doesn't have more power than the Multi's 160HP at the crank. Plus has taller gearing, so something doesn't add up. Either Ducati lied about its power, or the Multi rider isn't very good ::). Don't think our bike has more than Duc's 100 lb/ft or torque either. I don't remember if Multis have a quick-shifter or not. Our bikes don't like rushed shifts, either clutched or clutchless, so that's not an advantage either. Weird, but glad to learn it hangs with it. And after seeing the basically unchanged FJR, I don't think Kawi is pressured to change the Connie yet. It's still the best sport-tourer IMO, especially with price included in the equation.

I think his weighs about 480 or so, my 2012 is about 680 (on a scale made for weighing trucks so ....).  So we did it again, because it's fun.  I got him a bit this time, he said he backed off when it wheelied in first.  We started dead even at about 15 mph in first and I said, "3...2....1" in the headset and away we went.  After 3 gears or so WOT, shifting at redline, I had him by 30 yards.   I'm not sure how to quantify him as a rider but he has 5 bikes, has ridden for 30 years or more and has raced dirt bikes, is also the fastest guy I know.  I can't keep up in the twisties unless I'm on my Speed Triple, the C14 has limits and his Multi's limits are higher.  And did I mention he's better than me?  Tires like a PR2 or Angel GT last about 4-5000 miles with him.  We go to Arkansas and ride pretty hard all the time, no chicken strip on the rear and half inch up front for me, 1/4" for him.  We've passed a lot of bikes and no one has ever passed us.  It will happen, I have no illusions but we won't make it easy.  It made no sense that my bike is just as fast as his but we've done it 4 or 5 times.   He had his exhaust plug in yesterday when we did it.  I notice mine wants to lift the front tire now at WOT and high RPM in 1st gear.   It's a beast now.  It wasn't slow before but it's better.

Every once in a while, I still get a really large clunk when going from off the throttle to on throttle leaving a corner, very frustrating.  I'm not just whacking the throttle on, I roll it on.  Steve, I'd love to supply some parameters to you on how to clean this up, if it's even possible.  What are the inputs you need?   I haven't tried to repeat it, maybe I can sometime.  A guess would be a transition from off to on throttle, not rapid. 2nd or 3rd gear, maybe 5k rpm, 65F ambient temp, coolant temp nominal.  I am not sure if it's trailing/partial throttle or completely closed throttle, but I do know I'm just opening it smoothly, not whacking it to WOT.

I suspect some of this is just drive train slack being taken up, but that happens every time you transition from off to on throttle.  This doesn't.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #279 on: May 30, 2016, 07:51:25 PM »
PIP, I would need exact info as to the rpm, and throttle position. Part of it, I can tell you, will be the ambient temps. at 65 the engine is being richened by the defaults in the ecu. It gets better around 75. I cleaned a bunch of the on / off throttle stuff up, but it's really hard because I don't ride the same as you, and I have to find the exact cells to do it. Really hard to do if it only does it "sometimes". Steve
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