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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: h2smokin on January 12, 2012, 12:01:11 PM

Title: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: h2smokin on January 12, 2012, 12:01:11 PM
Had my tires changed today and they cracked the front sensor. They had a sensor by chance for some reason new in the box so they put it in(they're not even a dealer). I did write the codes but is'nt there some device we could buy and do this stuff ourselves? This sucks having to go dealer for anything. On the upside I got 2 tires mounted, balanced and a brand new sensor for the grand total of $58:)
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: cablebandit on January 12, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
That sensor and the programming should be free.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 12, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
They need to register the new sensor to the bike with a special diagnostic tool.  It's pricey.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: Conrad on January 12, 2012, 01:32:57 PM
Had my tires changed today and they cracked the front sensor. They had a sensor by chance for some reason new in the box so they put it in(they're not even a dealer). I did write the codes but is'nt there some device we could buy and do this stuff ourselves? This sucks having to go dealer for anything. On the upside I got 2 tires mounted, balanced and a brand new sensor for the grand total of $58:)

There was one member who bought a KDS3, he's in Venezuela though.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: h2smokin on January 12, 2012, 02:07:57 PM
I'm sure the dealer well want to charge me. It was'nt a dealer who did the install he just had an extra new sensor as he's replaced them before. Have an appt tomorrow for the reflash now.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: Conrad on January 12, 2012, 02:12:57 PM
Here's some info for you on the process.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: B.D.F. on January 12, 2012, 03:14:23 PM
The bike has to be programmed to recognize the sensor(s), not the other way around.

To program the bike, you will need the KDS3 software / hardware package and that is about $700 as I remember. Yes, you can buy that package and do it yourself. Dealers seem to be charging about 1/2 hour of labor to program the bike to recognize new hardware (TPS sensors or fobs).

A Kawasaki dealer would have included the programming in the price of the sensor install but a non- Kawi dealer would not be able to do the programming and most likely not even be aware that any programming is necessary. If the people who broke the sensor are going to take care of the whole problem they (or you) are going to have to take the bike to a Kawasaki dealer and have the service dept. program the bike to use the sensor.

Brian


Had my tires changed today and they cracked the front sensor. They had a sensor by chance for some reason new in the box so they put it in(they're not even a dealer). I did write the codes but is'nt there some device we could buy and do this stuff ourselves? This sucks having to go dealer for anything. On the upside I got 2 tires mounted, balanced and a brand new sensor for the grand total of $58:)
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: Supatramp on January 12, 2012, 04:53:29 PM
The bike has to be programmed to recognize the sensor(s), not the other way around.
Brian
I have a wheel I bought off a wreck with a sensor, do I need a number, other than what's on the sensor, to get it programed to my bike?
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: DenverC-14 on January 12, 2012, 05:27:53 PM
The bike has to be programmed to recognize the sensor(s), not the other way around.

To program the bike, you will need the KDS3 software / hardware package and that is about $700 as I remember. Yes, you can buy that package and do it yourself. Dealers seem to be charging about 1/2 hour of labor to program the bike to recognize new hardware (TPS sensors or fobs).

A Kawasaki dealer would have included the programming in the price of the sensor install but a non- Kawi dealer would not be able to do the programming and most likely not even be aware that any programming is necessary. If the people who broke the sensor are going to take care of the whole problem they (or you) are going to have to take the bike to a Kawasaki dealer and have the service dept. program the bike to use the sensor.

Brian
My tire guy broke my front sensor. He ordered a new one, and I had to go to a local Kawi dealer to get it to work. I.e. ^ He was a man of his word and paid me for the labor to calibrate it.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: So Cal Joe on January 12, 2012, 05:31:40 PM
I have a wheel I bought off a wreck with a sensor, do I need a number, other than what's on the sensor, to get it programed to my bike?
The dealer needs the number on the sensor to program it to your bike.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: Tactical_Mik on January 12, 2012, 05:46:49 PM
I have a wheel I bought off a wreck with a sensor, do I need a number, other than what's on the sensor, to get it programed to my bike?

You would need the number that came on the plastic wrapping the sensor came in.  The numbers on the body of the sensor are not what is needed to program the bike to "see" the sensor.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: Supatramp on January 12, 2012, 06:13:22 PM
You would need the number that came on the plastic wrapping the sensor came in.  The numbers on the body of the sensor are not what is needed to program the bike to "see" the sensor.
I was afraid of that, thanks :)
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Post by: B.D.F. on January 12, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
That is not correct- the number needed to program the KiPass ECU to recognize a TPS sensor is printed on the label on the sensor itself. In fact, it is on the sensor twice, once on the outside and again underneath the cover so even if the outer label is illegible, the cover can be taken off (one screw) and the inside label will be easy to read.

Brian


You would need the number that came on the plastic wrapping the sensor came in.  The numbers on the body of the sensor are not what is needed to program the bike to "see" the sensor.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: B.D.F. on January 12, 2012, 08:35:50 PM
You can have the bike programmed to recognize the sensor. The number needed to program the ECU is on the label on the outside of the sensor, and again on the inside of the sensor as well.

Brian


I have a wheel I bought off a wreck with a sensor, do I need a number, other than what's on the sensor, to get it programed to my bike?
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: h2smokin on January 12, 2012, 08:38:12 PM
I'm glad the # on the sensor is what is needed as I did'nt get the bag when they installed sensor today. Dealer service also mentioned needing # on sensor
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: Supatramp on January 12, 2012, 09:33:29 PM
You can have the bike programmed to recognize the sensor. The number needed to program the ECU is on the label on the outside of the sensor, and again on the inside of the sensor as well.
Brian
Thanks Brian, I'll check and see which dealers in my area perform this service.
There's a couple used sensors on Ebay, for more than I paid for the whole wheel, tire, rim, and rotor. I was wondering how they could get the prices, they are asking, when I'm sure they don't have the original packaging.
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: lather on January 13, 2012, 07:40:59 AM
It is the ignition FOB that has the required number only on the plastic wrapping, not the TPS.
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Post by: Tactical_Mik on January 13, 2012, 09:27:42 AM
Apologies for the mis-information about registering.  I got my memos crossed.  I need a better grey matter filing system.
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Post by: oldnslo on January 13, 2012, 09:34:52 AM
They need to register the new sensor to the bike with a special diagnostic tool.  It's pricey.
  My dealer only charges $18.00 to program the sensor. :thumbs:
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: h2smokin on January 13, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
It just cost me $34 to get the sensor programmed this morning. I should be good for awile I hope. How long do the batteries in these last approx? Someone needs to do a replacement battery service for these
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Post by: B.D.F. on January 13, 2012, 03:05:49 PM
I believe Murph was offering that service (Murph's kits).

Kawasaki says the TPS batteries should last approximately 5 years. A lot of them seem to be failing long before that age though. The TPS sensors have been changed twice but they <seem> to be using the same technology and battery as the first units. Perhaps the low voltage warning has been set a bit lower and these new sensors will go longer before generating the warning.

Brian

It just cost me $34 to get the sensor programmed this morning. I should be good for awile I hope. How long do the batteries in these last approx? Someone needs to do a replacement battery service for these
Title: Re: does dealer have to flash tire press. sensors?
Post by: Z71 on January 15, 2012, 09:50:09 PM

Kawasaki says the TPS batteries should last approximately 5 years. A lot of them seem to be failing long before that age though. The TPS sensors have been changed twice but they <seem> to be using the same technology and battery as the first units. Perhaps the low voltage warning has been set a bit lower and these new sensors will go longer before generating the warning.

Brian

I have "low TPS sensor battery" message flashing now for both sensors when I first ride the bike.  At first it was only he rear one. The bike is an '09 with low miles.

For the asking price these clowns have for these sensors,  the batteries should last at least 50 years, not 5.