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Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« on: July 14, 2018, 03:21:50 PM »
I just read this through revzilla.  Interesting.  I didn’t see any mention of required speeds or conditions.  I suppose that is to be worked out later.  Personally, I always maintained the Department philosophy that if you’re shoulder passing, someone could pull out in front of you (in case of an overheat, flat tire, or any roadside emergency) and put you at risk.  Plus, oftentimes, there is a lot of debris on the shoulders.  (At least out on CA highways).

However, if the driving public knows that motorcycle shoulder passing is permitted in heavy, congested traffic, maybe they will double check before pulling out.  A smart rider can shoulder pass safely if he/she does it at a reasonable speed and pays attention.  I can see some riders taking far too much advantage of this and getting themselves in trouble.  Heck, they do it now in California (in certain areas).  Personally, I like the idea.

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2018, 04:37:37 PM »
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However, if the driving public knows that motorcycle shoulder passing is permitted in heavy, congested traffic, maybe they will double check before pulling out.

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2018, 05:48:54 PM »
Yeah, he had me for a minute too. :-)

Shoulder passing is merely a way to ensure which side of the truck runs you over IMO.  ;) ;D

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2018, 08:35:22 PM »
In Hawaii, where the maximum speed limit at most is 50 mph or so, I would think maybe not.
Especially since about the time Mr. Squid is passing on the shoulder he will encounter Mr/Mrs Tourist stopped to take a scenic selfie photo and rudely interrupt by way of collision.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2018, 08:57:27 PM »
I would love to see this everywhere, in cases where the weather is hot and traffic is going maybe half the posted speed limit or less.  Cagers don't understand just how incredibly hot it is crawling or stopped in summer daytime heat (wearing proper gear, of course).... at times, it can be intolerable and even dangerous (lethargy, dizziness, dehydration, heat stroke).

I would certainly use it on occasion, if conditions were right, and do so carefully.

I am not a fan of the concept of lane splitting or filtering, however.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 06:07:13 AM »
I would have to disagree with you on the lane splitting and filtering Max. I’m not talking high speed lane splitting or high speed deferential. Just moving thru slow moving or stopped traffic and filtering at stop lights. Allowing bikes to move to the front reduces backups for everyone. It is safer for us to insure we have cars stopped behind us to prevent being rear ended.

As for heat, try riding an air cooled bike in stop and go traffic on a 100 degree day! You will be wishing you could split lanes and filter!!!
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2018, 08:29:33 AM »
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Yeah, wishful thinking on my part.::)  We have lane splitting out here, though, and most cagers are used to it.  Some even move over to give you more room.  If shoulder passing became the norm, maybe, just maybe, more would double check.  It is reality, though, there are always boneheaded idiots that are blessed with the world revolving around them and do whatever they want, whenever they want.  Not only that, but when someone DOES experience a roadside emergency, too many panic and dive to the shoulder.  That’s why it would always be incumbent on the rider to shoulder pass at a reasonable speed differential and not blast past stopped traffic at 50 mph.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 05:04:14 AM »
... maybe they will double check before pulling out.

This is, of course, after they make the FIRST check.  Which everyone does.  Right?

Max mentioned how incredibly hot it can get.  Try out the Lincoln Tunnel in NYC in the Summer.  Tour Buses all around and all the engines blasting out diesel exhaust.  And, oh yeah, no one's going anywhere because traffic is jammed up all the way to Montauk...

I'm in favor of Motorcycle ONLY lanes with higher speed limits.  Call your Congressman/woman/person!

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 08:24:34 AM »
How ya gonna pay for building m/c only lanes?
Ijf existing lanes are used now congestion gets worse.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 10:49:40 AM »
They already have bicycle lanes. Who is paying for those? All they would need on most multi lane highways and interstates is some paint on the paved left shoulder for a motorcycle lane that is roughly the same size as a bicycle lane.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 12:02:15 PM »
They already have bicycle lanes. Who is paying for those? All they would need on most multi lane highways and interstates is some paint on the paved left shoulder for a motorcycle lane that is roughly the same size as a bicycle lane.
And, per the article, the only time motorcyclists could use the shoulder would be during congested or stopped traffic.  Precise regulations tbd...
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 12:47:07 PM »
And, per the article, the only time motorcyclists could use the shoulder would be during congested or stopped traffic.  Precise regulations tbd...
My reply was in response to having motorcycle only lanes, not riding the shoulder in Hawaii.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 02:55:17 PM »
My reply was in response to having motorcycle only lanes, not riding the shoulder in Hawaii.

I don't think anyone will cough up money for motorcycle-only lanes.  The best anyone could probably hope for is signage and such to allow slow shoulder use (probably right side) by motorcycles during stopped or very slow moving traffic.  And even that will be hazardous to motorcycles, mostly due to debris that gets pushed onto the shoulder.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 03:32:14 PM »
I will admit to using the shoulder to get past a looooong line of cars backed up at a stop sign on a 4th of July weekend in MN.  It was very hot and the a/c on my bike wasn't working so what was I supposed to do?   ;D  I'll take my chances on the ticket in that situation.  Yes, you do need to be extra alert for someone pulling over, but with everyone stopped it isn't too likely. 

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 03:36:33 PM »
My reply was in response to having motorcycle only lanes, not riding the shoulder in Hawaii.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2018, 07:45:22 PM »
Just my two cents, but I distinctly remember reading the motorcycle instruction guide provided by the DMV that motorcycles are to be treated just like any other motor vehicle and entitled to the entire width of the lane.  For the life of me, I'll never understand why some motorcyclists want more rights than the other motor vehicles on the road.  We say we want the cars to "share" the road but we want special consideration all the time, i.e. shoulder usage, lane splitting, special MC lanes, etc...  I can understand why some would want that, but what happened to "sharing the road" and equal treatment?  So you're stuck in traffic?  Isn't everyone else?  So it's hot on the bike?  Isn't the price we pay for doing something we love?

I guess I will never understand the need for the special treatment other than some people feel like they are "owed" special treatment because they are on two wheels instead of four... Cagers are bad enough without special rules.  Why enrage them further?  Again, just my two cents.

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2018, 08:38:54 PM »
but we want special consideration all the time, i.e. shoulder usage, lane splitting, special MC lanes, etc...  I can understand why some would want that, but what happened to "sharing the road" and equal treatment?  So you're stuck in traffic?  Isn't everyone else?  So it's hot on the bike?  Isn't the price we pay for doing something we love?

I just want to not die from heat stroke wearing protective gear and helmet, in the full sun, with no wind, and cars all around spewing tons of additional heat, while cagers are sitting in air conditioned lounge recliners reading their phones, listening to 7 speaker stereos, in the shade, in shorts, and sipping nice beverages, usually without having to cycle a clutch constantly, during the extreme delays.

On other fronts, motorcyclists push for HOV access, and that seems reasonable, just like tolls should be less.  Motorcycles are only a fraction of the weight, emissions, gas use, and size of cars, and only a fraction of the wear on the roads.  Many can only [or reasonably only] carry one person.  And in many situations, they take up far less parking space.

I certainly don't expect special motorcycle lanes, that really is unreasonable.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2018, 05:13:32 AM »
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2018, 08:48:26 PM »
I just want to not die from heat stroke wearing protective gear and helmet, in the full sun, with no wind, and cars all around spewing tons of additional heat, while cagers are sitting in air conditioned lounge recliners reading their phones, listening to 7 speaker stereos, in the shade, in shorts, and sipping nice beverages, usually without having to cycle a clutch constantly, during the extreme delays.

On other fronts, motorcyclists push for HOV access, and that seems reasonable, just like tolls should be less.  Motorcycles are only a fraction of the weight, emissions, gas use, and size of cars, and only a fraction of the wear on the roads.  Many can only [or reasonably only] carry one person.  And in many situations, they take up far less parking space.

I certainly don't expect special motorcycle lanes, that really is unreasonable.

I agree with you regarding the tolls as well as the HOV access.  Here in Arizona we have many HOV lanes that allow motorcycles all the time and it really is a godsend even thought I sometimes get the "evil eye" from the cagers.

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2018, 11:38:44 PM »
I've only ridden in Arizona for about 35 years now so I may not know as much as others about riding in the heat. At times, I find it quite uncomfortable when stuck in traffic and the temperature is well in excess of 100 degrees. Maybe it's just me....

I also spend a lot of time on the Left Coast. Been there several hundred times over the years, both riding and driving. Usually riding. I'm sure I have thousands of miles splitting lanes and for the vast majority of those miles, have usually been given more than enough room to split lanes safely. I can say without reservation that in all but a few instances, the a$$holes that crowded me had OTHER THAN CALIFORNIA PLATES. Usually AZ or NV tags.

Please don't go on about special privileges. Unless, of course, you bring up the 1 ton extended cab, 8 foot bed dually with just the driver in it that takes up as much room as at least 4 motorcycles. Or the motorhome that takes up as much as 8. (Unless it's towing a huge trailer then it's up to about 12 motorcycles worth of road.) Or special parking for "Low Emitting, Fuel Efficient Vehicles" that motorcycles are prohibited from using. Or all of the Handicapped spots being used by people, and I use that term loosely, too daggum fat to walk to the store. Or bicycle lanes. Or pedestrians crossing the street with the "Don't Walk" sign flashing while they mess up traffic. I could go on and on, but I digress.

If you don't want to split lanes, don't. No one is forcing you to do so. Don't do anything that you don't feel safe doing. I know good and well that every time I ride my motorcycle may be my last. I accept that. If you're going to ride,  you're gonna go down. Believe it. Motorcycling it self is not inherently dangerous. It is, however, extremely unforgiving of inattention, ignorance, and/or incompetence. Of the motorcyclist AND those around him. Riding at a snail's pace in traffic readily lends itself to inattention. I have never been anything but ON TOP OF MY GAME  when splitting lanes. Or riding fast. That's just me.

All of that aside, I would much rather split lanes than ride on the shoulder.
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