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Offline vortex2

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Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« on: August 10, 2011, 06:00:19 PM »
Just checked my valves at 25k on my '10 and they are all within spec. :)
Are people replacing the cover gasket and the o-ring on the side cover?
I have re-used gaskets like this in the past if they aren't damaged.
That said I don't want to dis-assemble the whole bike again if the cover
gasket leaks.

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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 10:52:20 PM »
Didn't replace mine and no leaks. If it ain't broke....

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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2011, 05:29:32 AM »
There has been some leakage on these gaskets with a small number of bikes.  I also subscribe to the 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' philosophy but I don't think I would like to tear the top end down and remove all the plastics and what not to again to replace it.  It's not that expensive, I would replace it.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2011, 07:29:58 AM »
A leaky valve cover gasket was the motivation for checking/adjusting my valves. In spite of the leak I didn't replace the gasket. Just make sure that when you put it back together that you use some RTV silicone sealer.

Incidentally, I think the reason why my gasket was leaking was because one of the cover hold down bolts was not tight enough. Be careful do not over tighten.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2011, 07:31:56 AM »
It's better to replace it now, than to find it leaking after you get everything back together.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2011, 08:57:34 PM »
I believe I've seen mention that '08s tend to leak and an updated gasket is available. Aren't there some o-rings that need replacing too, if the camshafts get pulled?

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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2011, 09:33:29 PM »
I just finished my second valve adjust and again re-used the original gasket and I used a thin bead of Permatex Blue RTV on the forward edge. No sign of oil leak before or after. I did the TB sync after the shim swap, doing just enough re-assembly to run the engine. So it was easy to watch for leaks while running the engine for the sync.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2011, 09:33:36 PM »
Just make sure that when you put it back together that you use some RTV silicone sealer.

Do not use RTV sealant on an O-ring type gasket; it's not designed for it. O-ring type gaskets get installed clean & dry; if there's a leak, replace the gasket.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2011, 09:38:40 PM »
I believe I've seen mention that '08s tend to leak and an updated gasket is available. Aren't there some o-rings that need replacing too, if the camshafts get pulled?
The 4 oil pipes have   a bunch of o-rings but I did not replace them either. They looked perfect and the oil pipes fit in their whole quite snugly. 
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2011, 09:45:34 PM »
Do not use RTV sealant on an O-ring type gasket; it's not designed for it. O-ring type gaskets get installed clean & dry; if there's a leak, replace the gasket.
Are you referring to the Cylinder Head Cover gasket? I don't consider it an o-ring but it might be made of the same stuff.

Manual Page 5-14:
Cylinder Head Cover Installation •Replace the head cover gasket with a new one. •Apply silicone sealant [A] to the cylinder head as shown.
for those w/o a manual the diagram shows sealant to be applied to the halve moon cut-outs of the cylnder head that mate with the gasket.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 09:53:43 PM »

for those w/o a manual the diagram shows sealant to be applied to the halve moon cut-outs of the cylnder head that mate with the gasket.

That, I did.

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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 10:43:34 PM »
Are you referring to the Cylinder Head Cover gasket? I don't consider it an o-ring but it might be made of the same stuff.

Manual Page 5-14:
Cylinder Head Cover Installation •Replace the head cover gasket with a new one. •Apply silicone sealant [A] to the cylinder head as shown.
for those w/o a manual the diagram shows sealant to be applied to the halve moon cut-outs of the cylnder head that mate with the gasket.

   It's not the material, but the cross-section. The gasket fits into the valve cover with a half-round "protrusion"; that shouldn't get sealant. The cutouts are too "thick" to create a good seal, so they should get a SMALL amount of sealant on the bottoms. The correct sealant is:

Kawasaki Bond (Silicone Sealant): 92104-0004

   This is a grey silicone sealant similar to Yamabond. It is critical that all surfaces are free of oil and grease when using this type of sealant (use A LITTLE carb cleaner on a rag to clean it, then let it dry, then wipe again) Do not use RTV black or RTV blue.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2011, 07:36:28 AM »
I think the cause of my leaky gasket was a loose bolt. It came that way from the factory. The Kawasaki "quality control legend lives on".
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2011, 05:16:44 PM »
Well so far the Permatex Blue has worked fine for my bikes.
   It's not the material, but the cross-section. The gasket fits into the valve cover with a half-round "protrusion"; that shouldn't get sealant. The cutouts are too "thick" to create a good seal, so they should get a SMALL amount of sealant on the bottoms. The correct sealant is:

Kawasaki Bond (Silicone Sealant): 92104-0004

   This is a grey silicone sealant similar to Yamabond. It is critical that all surfaces are free of oil and grease when using this type of sealant (use A LITTLE carb cleaner on a rag to clean it, then let it dry, then wipe again) Do not use RTV black or RTV blue.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2011, 05:58:36 PM »
The valve cover does not use a gasket, it is a seal. And because it is a square section rather than an O-ring, it really will not deform with extended use. So in my opinion, it is not necessary to replace it. The same valve cover seal has been used on C-14s since 2008 and there have not been any updates.

Kawasaki specifies a small amount of sealant be used in the radii of the seal where the camshaft bearings were bored in the head. I actually used a small bead of sealant all around the seal, between the valve cover and the seal itself, and when I install the cover I do not fully tighten the cover bolts- I leave them slightly loose (maybe 1/32 of an inch or so). Then after a few hours I tighten the valve cover bolts; this allows the RTV sealant to mostly cure and tends to force the seal to actually seal. C-14s have a bit of a reputation for some oil weepage in the front / left corner of the valve cover and so far the method outlined has worked for me. By the way, I use whatever brand of high temperature RTV sealant I happen to have on hand, and whatever color I happen to have.

The O-ring on the right side crankcase cover can be re-used also but it will tend to flat- spot over time. It is relatively easy to replace though so there is not much risk there even if you have to replace it later. I also use a dab (technical term: it means 'not too much') of RTV sealant where the O-ring crosses the rubber block that feeds the wires to the outside of the cover.

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Just checked my valves at 25k on my '10 and they are all within spec. :)
Are people replacing the cover gasket and the o-ring on the side cover?
I have re-used gaskets like this in the past if they aren't damaged.
That said I don't want to dis-assemble the whole bike again if the cover
gasket leaks.
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Re: Valve adjustment-replace the cover gasket?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2011, 09:43:01 AM »
Thanks Brian. I will try your procedure today.