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Offline Bart

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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2012, 07:30:54 PM »
Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. The answer is more guns (but only for "good" guys)!

Bad things happen in all 1st world countries, but why is it only in the USA that mass shootings happen so often that they are not rare? Has American society gone bad? Or could it be that of all the first world countries only the USA has so many guns?


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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2012, 08:10:21 PM »
  That's basically what the NRA is proposing. The problem with allowing this on a local level is that there's a federal firearms law that prohibits firearms from being within 1000 ft of a school. The fact is that if you drive your car on the road the school is located, you have just violated federal law. I think that this issue is such a hot-button topic, the only fair way is for the local people to decide what works for them. Regardless, TRAINING TRAINING TRAINING. Steve

You must be talking about Florida, and as far as I know it isn't a federal law. Here in Texas we can go on to school property carrying our concealed weapon (with a CHL), we just can't go into the school.

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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2012, 08:20:41 PM »
from wikipedia

Political scientist Earl R. Kruschke states, regarding the fully automatic firearms owned by private citizens in the United States, that "approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the federal agency responsible for administration of the law) and evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime. With the exception of two, which were used by law enforcement officers."[125]

Yes, this isn't a subject of the current controversy, but telling none the less.  How on earth do those evil machine guns not jump out of their safes a slaughter thousands.

Oh, I see there has been a White House petition to deport Piers Morgan LOL  ;D

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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2012, 09:36:02 PM »
You must be talking about Florida, and as far as I know it isn't a federal law. Here in Texas we can go on to school property carrying our concealed weapon (with a CHL), we just can't go into the school.

 Federal; Gun free School Zones Act, 18usc922 (q)  - it's a federal crime with up to 5 years imprisonment to possess a firearm in a school zone with the following exceptions. The school zone includes 1000 ft to the school. the following are exceptions

1) you have a concealed permit

2)the gun is uloaded, in a locked container or locked in a firearm rack

3) You're on private property , not part of the school

4) It's for use in a school program, but not nessessarily at the school

5) you're a security guarge with a contract to work at the school

6)you're acting LE

7) the gun is unloaded, and you're traversing the property to get access to legal hunting land, and have written permission from the school.


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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2012, 09:50:35 PM »
Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. The answer is more guns (but only for "good" guys)!

Bad things happen in all 1st world countries, but why is it only in the USA that mass shootings happen so often that they are not rare? Has American society gone bad? Or could it be that of all the first world countries only the USA has so many guns?

 Seeing as how this is your first post, i figure you're trolling, but I'll play along for a little bit... I'm not going to go into all the massive amount of facts, I answer with some of my own (maybe / probably wrong) observations. I think there's a lot of factors, and yes, I think the gun is well entrenched into the fabric of american culture. why not, our forefathers used it to great effect to secure out freedom. We are a new nation, relatively speaking. And yes, we have alot ogf guns. So many, in fact, that you can never get them all from the american people. and then there's at niggly little second amendment thingy.

  but let me say this - and hold me to it - man will always find a way to adapt and overcome. IF you could take all the guns magically from america, I am sure some whackjob will take an SUV, crash a gate and run over  bunch of kids hopping off buses at school If the voices in his head tell him to. So then we'll need more laws, and let's take your SUV away...even though the worst thing you ever did with your SUV was transport your kids to chuckey cheese with it... Steve

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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2012, 10:05:34 PM »
Bart only posts non MC related posts... hence no post count. 
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2012, 10:50:19 PM »
Rob, Bart only joined today.

Steve, if you really believe that if you took all the guns away from America that "some whackjob will take an SUV, crash a gate and run over  bunch of kids hopping off buses at school" then how do you explain that this SUV or other kind of carnage not happen in the rest of the 1st world on a regular basis like gun violence does in America? I hope you don't think that we are fundamentally a "bad" nation compared to the rest of the 1st world.


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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2012, 05:54:52 AM »
who says it doesn't happen in other nations? Do some research on violent incidence in other nations. Not just gun violence, but bombings, knife attacks, clubbings, etc. Look at it per capita so the #'s aren't skewed. Come back with your findings and let us know what YOUR answer is to protect our kids NOW.

 And BTW, I have some personal experience with the criminally insane, having worked for the florida DOC. I've dealt  with scitozophrenics, (sp?) psychopaths, sociopaths, and I've seen psychotic breaks. It's scary. If you want to try to understand them you need to go to a whole 'nuther level in your mind.  The surreal becomes real. Up becomes down, black becomes light. Little kids become alien spawn, and the world needs to be protected from them. Now let's see you fix that with laws...Steve

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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2012, 06:32:44 AM »
who says it doesn't happen in other nations? Do some research on violent incidence in other nations. Not just gun violence, but bombings, knife attacks, clubbings, etc. Look at it per capita so the #'s aren't skewed. Come back with your findings and let us know what YOUR answer is to protect our kids NOW.

Same time frame of the shooting there was what 22 kids cut by a knife wielding whack in China..... Not long ago in Sweden (?) there was a massive shooting at a summer camp. How about the incident in Russia where they took over the entire school?

We are far from being alone in having whacks killing children and adults alike in this world..... And keep in mind that when determined twisted minds want carnage they will have it.... After all it was nothing more than "box cutters" that  brought down the Twin Towers.
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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2012, 06:53:23 AM »
Rob, Bart only joined today.

Steve, if you really believe that if you took all the guns away from America that "some whackjob will take an SUV, crash a gate and run over  bunch of kids hopping off buses at school" then how do you explain that this SUV or other kind of carnage not happen in the rest of the 1st world on a regular basis like gun violence does in America? I hope you don't think that we are fundamentally a "bad" nation compared to the rest of the 1st world.

Yes Bart.  We in America have too much free time, too many idle people, too many people on government assistance who now can spend their time thinking up these schemes while playing their video games.  The US society is going downhill.  We have become an land of entitlements, a land where we hold acters in more reverence than those who cure cancer, or keep us safe.

Maybe this is why you don't see school shootings in other 1st world countries.
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2012, 08:21:24 AM »
Bart sure seems to be just like old Bart... who seems to post same positions as old Bart.... hmmmmmm.
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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2012, 08:35:29 AM »
Bart sure seems to be just like old Bart... who seems to post same positions as old Bart.... hmmmmmm.

Do you perhaps mean Bert? Nope Bert and Bart are two completely different indivuals.... Lets not yet lambaste Bart...
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2012, 08:36:07 AM »
My bad... not enough coffee.  ;D

My apologies Bart.  ;)
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2012, 08:37:01 AM »
You mean 'Bert'? Nah, Bart is nowhere near the level of vitriol and hate as 'Bert'.

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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2012, 08:43:53 AM »
Stop feeding the troll.
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2012, 08:59:29 AM »
Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. The answer is more guns (but only for "good" guys)!

Bad things happen in all 1st world countries, but why is it only in the USA that mass shootings happen so often that they are not rare? Has American society gone bad? Or could it be that of all the first world countries only the USA has so many guns?

First your assuming that banning guns will remove guns from our society. How's that working out for meth? How's that working out in Mexico?

Second, in the 20th century, 100,000,000+ were murdered by psycho nut jobs and the United States was relatively untouched. By that standard, America has an amazingly non violent society.

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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2012, 09:00:16 AM »
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« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2012, 09:11:38 AM »
You mean 'Bert'? Nah, Bart is nowhere near the level of vitriol and hate as 'Bert'.

With only 4 post total I should hope not......   :o
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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2012, 09:14:55 AM »
... Prohibition worked wonders keeping liquor out of the hands of law abiding citizens, didn't it?  Sure did!  It also created two whole new industries... bootlegging and organized crime!

So who had access to outlawed liquor?  Criminals.  It created the Capone's... and crime went thru the roof...

Police funding: INCREASED $11.4 Million
Arrests for Prohibition Violations: INCREASED 102+%
Arrests for Drunkenness and Disorderly Conduct: INCREASED 41%
Arrests of Drunken Drivers: INCREASED 81%
Thefts and Burglaries: INCREASED 9%
Homicides, Assault, and Battery: INCREASED 13%
Number of Federal Convicts: INCREASED 561%
Federal Prison Population: INCREASED 366%
Total Federal Expenditures on Penal Institutions: INCREASED 1,000%   


That was just booze... now do the same with a gun ban, or restrictions.  Some of those numbers above will pale in comparison when only the criminal element has them...
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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2012, 09:16:18 AM »
Twowheeladdict - I wanted to thank you for your comments on this thread. First, I thought it was very enlightening that you posted about video games affecting you personally, and that you had to get ahold of it. A picture into a tiny bit of what we may be dealing with. Really, thanks for that level of honesty, I learned from it. I also think your point about folks having free time to while away the hours in a video game (Or the internet, like I'm doing now) can lead folks to make some really bad choices.

 All - To carry it on step further, we all have heard about people seeking love, or becoming addicted to porn via the internet. go back 30 years - this NEVER happened. Society didn't have that problem. Why? HMMM, no internet maybe? Using this analogy, can we see how gun violence can be fostered by exposing the wrong person to violent video games or movie violence? It wasn't around when we were kids. and kids today don't go out and play like we did. Many spend hours a day interacting with video games rather than other people. It's not hard to see how the video games can become reality for a person who prefers that interaction instead of interpersonal relationships.

  Here's something else to consider - autism is on a rapid rise. I don't know alot about it, other than it's much more prevalent.  If so, why the sudden increase? Could there be food additives causing it? Could this be a root cause for why "times have changed" could that be a response to Barts question about why the USA is different from other countries (if indeed we are?).

Bart - I'm not opposed if you have a different position than mine. I believe that the answer to this problem will be a compromise, which means everyone is unhappy. I see the assault weapons ban being enacted; I see magazine capacity restrictions; I hope to see armed school staff; and hopefully we'll have more forceful laws to deal with mentally ill folks. And after all that, some loon, somewhere, is going to do something horrendous that violates all kinds of laws and shocks the sensibilities of rational people. Steve