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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: So Cal Joe on November 14, 2011, 05:03:14 PM
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I had the front tire presser sensor replaced a few months back, To day I got the LOW BATTERY SENSOR F message. No problem, I headed to the dealer, about 10 miles and the message went away and all was normal and when I cycled through to the tire pressure screen it showed 42 F and 42 R. O.K. so it was just a fluke. Turned around and headed back on my ride, then a few miles down the road the warning came on again. O.K. I turned around and headed to the dealer again, but this time I took a picture of the LOW BATTERY message, before I got to the dealer it went away again. I showed the service guy the picture and he said he would me a new unit.
So does it recycle itself back to normal after a while? I though it would keep flashing LOW BATTERY. Once when it did it I pushed both buttons to cancel the warning flashing and the red light came on like it is suppose to, after a short time it went off also. Is this normal? Is it like an alarm that resets itself after so long?
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What was the outside temp?
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I had the front tire presser sensor replaced a few months back, To day I got the LOW BATTERY SENSOR F message. No problem, I headed to the dealer, about 10 miles and the message went away and all was normal and when I cycled through to the tire pressure screen it showed 42 F and 42 R. O.K. so it was just a fluke. Turned around and headed back on my ride, then a few miles down the road the warning came on again. O.K. I turned around and headed to the dealer again, but this time I took a picture of the LOW BATTERY message, before I got to the dealer it went away again. I showed the service guy the picture and he said he would me a new unit.
So does it recycle itself back to normal after a while? I though it would keep flashing LOW BATTERY. Once when it did it I pushed both buttons to cancel the warning flashing and the red light came on like it is suppose to, after a short time it went off also. Is this normal? Is it like an alarm that resets itself after so long?
It is normal. There is nothing wrong with the battery voltage but something wrong with how the low battery message is triggered. Mine did that for 4 years but now have finally stopped, probably because the batteries are now finally getting old and tired after 60,000 miles.
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What was the outside temp?
The outside temp was about 70 so it wasn't that. When I was in Colorado a few weeks back i got the LOW BATTERY message from the rear unit when I started off in the morning but that went away in a few miles.
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It is normal. There is nothing wrong with the battery voltage but something wrong with how the low battery message is triggered. Mine did that for 4 years but now have finally stopped, probably because the batteries are now finally getting old and tired after 60,000 miles.
They are going to change the sending unit, if it still happens after that then I will have it back at the shop again. It's not normal to act that way. I only have just under 12,000 miles and it never acted like that before. I don't think I would put up with it. If it is something with the way the message is triggered they will have to figure that out, I'm not riding it with that message flashing in my face.
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I aggree it is not appropriate for the units to give false low battery warnings in cool or cold weather but it was very common, if not the norm for the 08 and 09s. I can't say about the later models, supposedly the units have been updated but I have not seem any claims that the issue has been resolved. I did not get the warnings durning my first winter but they were constant during winter 2, 3 and 4. None so far this fall and I have ridden in sub 40 weather.
Google passivation layer for more info. Consider a 5 dollar coin battery lasting 5 plus years of daily use. I think that is pretty good. They should have made the battery user replaceable but then they probably don't consider tires user replaceable.
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I aggree it is not appropriate for the units to give false low battery warnings in cool or cold weather but it was very common, if not the norm for the 08 and 09s. I can't say about the later models, supposedly the units have been updated but I have not seem any claims that the issue has been resolved. I did not get the warnings durning my first winter but they were constant during winter 2, 3 and 4. None so far this fall and I have ridden in sub 40 weather.
Google passivation layer for more info. Consider a 5 dollar coin battery lasting 5 plus years of daily use. I think that is pretty good. They should have made the battery user replaceable but then they probably don't consider tires user replaceable.
That's exactly how it started on my 2010. Cool mornings it would come and go. It go progressively worse over a few months. I finally had it replaced and the problem was fixed. BTW, because mine came and went a lot, I also took pictures of my dash with the message and the miles showing. That made it easy for me to get the dealer to replace it under warranty.
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Thanks for the replies. If it was a cold morning I probably would not thought anything of it but it was in the 70's so I figured there was something wrong. I'll let you know how the new one works. Now I'm thinking about having the front tire replaced at the same time, if they won't charge me labor. I have 8,000 miles on it but it's not close to the wear bars, probably have 4 or 5000 more miles to go.
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There was something about running the air pressure over 50# then back to 42 and that resets it.
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Perhaps the wheel was colder than that from overnight temperatures? What you are describing is usually attributed to low temperatures, starting in the low 60's or 50's F. The situation changes when the sensor warms up a bit. Those are the temperatures the sensor is soaked to, not the outside temperature though, so first thing in the morning the sensors may be quite a bit colder than the ambient temperature.
Brian
The outside temp was about 70 so it wasn't that. When I was in Colorado a few weeks back i got the LOW BATTERY message from the rear unit when I started off in the morning but that went away in a few miles.
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Mine are both now doing it "all the time" so I just called the dealer. They say bring it in and leave it.........I say why? We need to see it occur then order parts, then perform the install. I say......just order the damn sensors, this is a common problem on this bike.....they say no can do and Kawi has to approve it. I say.......Kawi better approve or no more buying a Kawi for me. So now I have to ride it in and let them see it, then they will contact Kawi and hopefully they will approve. I then need to schedule appt for the repair, and it is getting cold here in OHIO. Maybe I will just wait until Spring, I have a warranty until July. What a pain in the ass!!!!!!!! ::)
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Take a picture. It will last longer.
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My TPM sensors are doing the same thing as yours are Pokey.
I snapped a couple of pics with the cell and e-mailed them to my dealer's tech. He told me that the pics weren't necessary, he'd take my word for it. He wanted to know when I wanted him to change out the sensors. I told him that since there's only maybe another 4 weeks of riding season left here that I would just bring in my bike sometime in the spring. He said cool, just let him know when to order the sensors.
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Well, your problem is really with your dealer so this might or might not help- Take a photo of the sensor warning with a current (or reasonably current) newspaper in the photo. Sort of like a hostage photo. ;) Seriously, it really does show the fault and proves that it is happening and should be enough as long as your dealer is reasonable. If they are not reasonable then there is no fix for that that I have found yet. Dropping the bike off is the usual way to deal with warranty issues but it really is not necessary in this case IMO as it is a well known problem and easy to document.
Brian
Mine are both now doing it "all the time" so I just called the dealer. They say bring it in and leave it.........I say why? We need to see it occur then order parts, then perform the install. I say......just order the damn sensors, this is a common problem on this bike.....they say no can do and Kawi has to approve it. I say.......Kawi better approve or no more buying a Kawi for me. So now I have to ride it in and let them see it, then they will contact Kawi and hopefully they will approve. I then need to schedule appt for the repair, and it is getting cold here in OHIO. Maybe I will just wait until Spring, I have a warranty until July. What a pain in the ass!!!!!!!! ::)
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I will take a picture, can't hurt things I reckon.
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I told mine it was doing it, they replaced it. The End.
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Mine did the warning thing for a long time and finally did go out in the front tire. I'll get the battery replaced when it's time to change the tires. When this originally started my dealer said the same thing. "Bring it in and leave it so we can ride it until we see this happen." Yeah right.
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I got the same exact message on my display this morning. It was a little troubling considering I just bought the bike a month and half ago. More annoying is the message wouldn't go away despite my best efforts to cycle thru the normal screens. I pulled over at a 7-11 to see if my tires were indeed low. They were not so I hopped back on the bike and headed towards the 101 fwy. When I looked down at the screen again, the error was gone. It was 32 degrees (believe it or not in SoCal) at 6 a.m. so I just figured the issue was caused by frigid the temps. I fully expect it to manifest at some point. Thanks for the suggestion on taking a pic. I'm going to do that and show the shop so they see that it's happening with less than 1000 miles on the bike.
I had the front tire presser sensor replaced a few months back, To day I got the LOW BATTERY SENSOR F message.
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I've seen that too, but only when its below 35. Maybe they didn't expect people to ride when it was that cold.
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It gets worse as the units age.... I'm getting issues at 50F now...
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It gets worse as the units age.... I'm getting issues at 50F now...
Are we still talking about TPS or something else now Sparky? :stirpot: ;) :chugbeer:
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Are we still talking about TPS or something else now Sparky? :stirpot: ;) :chugbeer:
:P
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There was something about running the air pressure over 50# then back to 42 and that resets it.
That sounds very interesting, but I have never seen that anywhere... this is the first I have ever heard of such a concept...
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It's been mentioned a time or two here, possibly in the last incarnation.....I don't think I've seen much success with it. It's only used for a new sensor that isn't feeling all that well.
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That sounds very interesting, but I have never seen that anywhere... this is the first I have ever heard of such a concept...
It's been mentioned a time or two here, possibly in the last incarnation.....I don't think I've seen much success with it. It's only used for a new sensor that isn't feeling all that well.
If I remember correctly, this was about 'waking the sensor' up from a stand-by mode. I'm not sure that it was verified to work or not.