Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: CrashKLRtoConnie on May 12, 2011, 08:08:01 AM
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When you leave your Connie do you remove the Stove
Pipe KNOB Key?
Do you use the stove pipe key to lock the forks?
If you leave the stove pipe key in her, has anyone noticed / found that someone had tried to force it to turn? (Steal her)
I may be foolish, but I have assumed that the FOB system security makes the connie safer than most bikes, and almost always leave the stove pipe in with the forks unlocked.
Brent
EDIT: Changed "Pipe" to "Knob" to correct thread subject -Max
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When you leave your Connie do you remove the Stove Pipe Key? No
Do you use the stove pipe key to lock the forks? No
If you leave the stove pipe key in her, has anyone noticed / found that someone had tried to force it to turn? (Steal her) Not yet, and hopefully never
I may be foolish, but I have assumed that the FOB system security makes the connie safer than most bikes, and almost always leave the stove pipe in with the forks unlocked.
Brent
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Nope I never remove the key, Yes I lock my front forks, and no I don't think anybody has ever messed with it!
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I don't remove mine.
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I leave mine in at work and most places I go. If I take a road trip to an unfamiliar area or park outside a hotel overnight I'll probably pull it just so no passerby gets any ideas.
My fear is not having my bikes stolen - I love it but if it disappeared and never came back I would gladly take an insurance check and buy a new one - my fear is someone sees that key, hops on it to see if they could steal / mess with it and then get frustrated and knock it over or something stupid like that and then I have a damaged Concours.
I should add I NEVER lock my forks. If someone needed to move my bike for any reason I want them to be able to instead of having it tip over on them. I've already been at work where we park a few bikes in a single spot and then because some person parked their car too close to us, the first person to leave for the day had to play musical bikes to get theirs out. It falls under the I prefer that no one touches my bike but if they do I'd like to make the chance of damage as low as possible category.
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There is a fork lock?
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Yes, only when I need to use it for the tank at fuel stops and once in awhile for the bags. Fork locks? Maybe twice since new.
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Stove pipe? Stove knob you mean right? :D
I've only had mine out a couple of times back when I frist bought the bike, other than that it stays put.
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I take my key out to put gas in it and to work the saddlebags. I only lock the forks when I'm out someplace or in a less than desirable area.
To operate the fork lock turn the handlebars full left or pull with your left hand then turn stove key counterclockwise. You may have to push down I cant remember off the top of my head.
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Really? Can it be done? No, No, No. I have only turned the thing to turn it on, and rotated once screaming in frusteration after I left it in the on position after shut-down...killing the battery. Thank God for jumper cables.
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I don't even remove it to fill the tank and unlock the bags. I use the fob key.
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Wouldn't that be +3?
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I leave mine in at work and most places I go. If I take a road trip to an unfamiliar area or park outside a hotel overnight I'll probably pull it just so no passerby gets any ideas.
My fear is not having my bikes stolen - I love it but if it disappeared and never came back I would gladly take an insurance check and buy a new one - my fear is someone sees that key, hops on it to see if they could steal / mess with it and then get frustrated and knock it over or something stupid like that and then I have a damaged Concours.
I should add I NEVER lock my forks. If someone needed to move my bike for any reason I want them to be able to instead of having it tip over on them. I've already been at work where we park a few bikes in a single spot and then because some person parked their car too close to us, the first person to leave for the day had to play musical bikes to get theirs out. It falls under the I prefer that no one touches my bike but if they do I'd like to make the chance of damage as low as possible category.
All good points...........
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I have'nt removed mine yet but maybe on my trip. I worry someone will see the key and start messing with it though and maybe break something. Might be better if they see an empty key hole
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Nope, I never remove it...
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I think I have taken mine out once or twice since I bought it and that was only to see what it looked like.
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I got a separate key made for the side cases and the gas tank. I epoxied it into a black knob and that key stays in the right side case 98% of the time. The stove knob never goes to FSS position or comes out now. I just find it more convenient. It utilizes the full awesomeness of KIPASS.
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1) No, it is meant to be left in the bike and should be there to protect the ignition switch from the elements.
2) I have never locked the front forks.
3) Not yet but I travel in pretty safe areas and use an alarm when leaving the bike in a public area so that will chirp before anyone can tinker with the key.
4) KiPass is both a security device as well as device that increases convenience. Someone will be along shortly to challenge that last point but that is what was intended by the mfg., and that is how it has worked for me for the last four years. ;)
Brian
When you leave your Connie do you remove the Stove Pipe Key?
Do you use the stove pipe key to lock the forks?
If you leave the stove pipe key in her, has anyone noticed / found that someone had tried to force it to turn? (Steal her)
I may be foolish, but I have assumed that the FOB system security makes the connie safer than most bikes, and almost always leave the stove pipe in with the forks unlocked.
Brent
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Never take it out man !!! she likes it in
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Never take it out man !!! she likes it in
There it is... :rotflmao:
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It is made out of soft metal, and bends easily. Based on experience and having to straighten the key a couple of times, now I never remove it. Made extra keys to open luggage and gas cap.
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Took mine out once to see it. In the same instance I locked the forks to see how to do it and haven't done either thing since.
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Is there another fork lock besides the lock position on the ignition switch?
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I leave the key in. I do lock the forks when I'm parked anywhere but my garage. I don't think anyone has tried to mess with it.
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Yes, only when I need to use it for the tank at fuel stops and once in awhile for the bags. Fork locks? Maybe twice since new.
Ditto for me.
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Wouldn't that be +3?
Thank you for keeping the math correct. You are now our resident arithmetician and astrologer astronomer.
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As already said, the stove knob key is designed to be left in the bike. The only reason to remove it is to add fuel, open a pannier or remove the seat! The ignition switch has nothing to protect it from dirt and moister out of the switch other than the plastic cap of the stove knob key. So IMO it should never be removed other than for a short duration pertaining to the bike. I never used the stove knob key. I had spare keys on soft fobs made for this use.
I would lock the forks at night or in unfamiliar area's when the bike may be out of site for more than a short time frame.
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No, only the fork lock position of the main ignition switch. To the best of my knowledge, there is only one way to lock forks on each motorcycle, whether that method is the ignition or a separate lock on the frame.
Brian
Is there another fork lock besides the lock position on the ignition switch?
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To no one in particular, I always remove the ignition key to open the fuel cap ('gashole'), saddlebags or to unlock the seat, and find that the most convenient way to use the bike. I never use the fob key and I have not had any additional keys made. The ignition key is starting to show a bit of wear but has not bent yet (I am a bit disappointed in that, it sounds more exciting than what my key has done.... nothing).
Brian
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I haven't removed it. I use the small key in the FOB.
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i leave stove key thing in the bike and fob in glove box .
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In fact I can't even get the down key out of the bike without a pair of pliers. I just can't grip it enough.
I do want to get some new keys made as I lost the credit card style that comes with the 2011.
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i haven't ever removed mine in 32,000 miles.
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i only take the key out when messing with the bags. its always in there and locked.
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Yes you must remove it and never leave it on the bike. Anyone with a pair of vice grips can force the key to start the bike and steal it.
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I don't even remove it to fill the tank and unlock the bags. I use the fob key.
+1
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It can be removed?
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Yes you must remove it and never leave it on the bike. Anyone with a pair of vice grips can force the key to start the bike and steal it.
No it can't. The bike won't start without a fob. The stove top portion is designed to 'slip' around the key. Forcing the top clockwise accomplishes nothing. Not sure if you were serious with that answer or not.
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I was also thinking that with the "stove knob" key out, rain would make a little pond in the recess.
Are those getting spare fob keys made, getting them done at any typical place that duplicates keys, or does it require a locksmith?
Thanks,
Peter
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I was also thinking that with the "stove knob" key out, rain would make a little pond in the recess.
Are those getting spare fob keys made, getting them done at any typical place that duplicates keys, or does it require a locksmith?
Thanks,
Peter
I made the mistake of spending too much by ordering a blank ($14) from my dealer and having it cut at my local locksmith ($1). I'd take the key to your local locksmith and see if they have a blank for you.
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spare key made life is easy.
not worried about someone using vice grips and stealing the bike ???
if I am worried about the location and theft i use disk locks.
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Stove Pipe? :rotflmao:
I removed the knob key once in the beginning to prove I could do it and to test the other keys in the ignition, otherwise it remained in the ignition where it belongs. :thumbs:
I use the spare keys to work all the other locks period and probably will make the "knob" type spares from Radio Shack for the bags eventually. Why risk bending the stove key?? :nuts:
I locked the steering once, again to prove it could be done. No one has messed with my bike (so far) but then again it's never been far from my sight when parked or at least not for long. I work at an Army Reserve Center so the risk of that has been low.
Kipass ROCKS! :chugbeer:
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Had my bike a year and haven't removed the key yet. I also never lock my forks.
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I don't even remove it to fill the tank and unlock the bags. I use the fob key.
+ Me too. I use the fob key to access the bags and the tank. I never remove the Stove knob. Most people don't realize what it does. I only lock my forks at home. When I'm away I leave them unlocked in-case another biker needs to move me out a little to access his ride.
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never thought of that......... ???
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I never remove mine!
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I use the stove knob for gas and the fob key for the bags an seat.
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I don't even remove it to fill the tank and unlock the bags. I use the fob key.
I never take mine out...I had several keys made at the local lock smith from my fob key. Cost me $11 total. I have one on a key chain I keep in the glove box on the tank. I put it in my pocket when I leave the bike.
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This thread is 4 pages now?
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No, never take mine out at all. Its been out twice since new and I do lock the forks.
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>32,000 miles, never removed the stove thingie (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/badteeth.gif)
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All the time. If Kipass is going to break it will break.
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So ..... ::) With the stove knob on the bike all of the time, anyone could come up to the bike, remove the stove key, open up the bags, remove the seat, take any and all items you had stored in the bags or under the seat. :o
Hummmmmmm...... I think Mama Kaw need to just make the stove knob a simple switch (not keyed) and then give us a real key for all of the lockable items on the bike.
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So ..... ::) With the stove knob on the bike all of the time, anyone could come up to the bike, remove the stove key, open up the bags, remove the seat, take any and all items you had stored in the bags or under the seat. :o
Hummmmmmm...... I think Mama Kaw need to just make the stove knob a simple switch (not keyed) and then give us a real key for all of the lockable items on the bike.
You can't remove the stove knob key without the kipass fob. ::)
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So ..... ::) With the stove knob on the bike all of the time, anyone could come up to the bike, remove the stove key, open up the bags, remove the seat, take any and all items you had stored in the bags or under the seat. :o
Only if you leave it in the FSS position. I only leave it in off or the steering lock position. Key will not come out in those positions.
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I remove it all the time. I thought the whole reason for KIPASS was not having to dig in your pocket for a key. ::) I take it out for gas and for the bags. I did use a graphite lock lubricant on the gas tank lock so that the key would work smoothly so I have had no issues. I still don't see the whole convenience think about KIPASS since you still need the key for the gas tank and the bags but it is what it is and the bike starts and runs. Personally a key would be easier. It's fine if you are simply riding, but if you actually have to put gas in the bike for some reason or maybe want to use the bags the system doesn't offer any convenience.
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Reply to PH14 message regarding Graphite dusting of locks.
I always was taught by my dad to use graphite in locks. A few months ago when I went to a local locksmith, he told me not to use graphite as if it gets wet or get sprayed with silicone it cannot escape the lock and can cause binding / damage to the lock. He told me to use a teflon or silicone spray in the locks.
Anyone know if this is correct?
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e told me to use a teflon or silicone spray in the locks.
Anyone know if this is correct?
I don't know if that is correct or not, but this is what I use in mine as well as lube the chain on my wifes bike
(http://p.hostingprod.com/@properautocare.com/RSSFeedPics/TeflonLube.jpg)
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Reply to PH14 message regarding Graphite dusting of locks.
I always was taught by my dad to use graphite in locks. A few months ago when I went to a local locksmith, he told me not to use graphite as if it gets wet or get sprayed with silicone it cannot escape the lock and can cause binding / damage to the lock. He told me to use a teflon or silicone spray in the locks.
Anyone know if this is correct?
Graphit is best on locks and every locksmith I have talked to recommends it. I'm surprised the one you talked to told you otherwise. It cannot bind when it gets wet. Silicone will simply attract dirt so it is best not to use it. I used a graphite based lock lubricant once on my C14 gas cap lock about 8000 miles ago and it has been in the rain over and over and over again and the key slips in and out very smoothly. Before using the graphite the key would bind. Since a little graphite was on the key, the ignition works smoothly without binding as well. If you have ever disassembled a lock after someone used silicone on it you will never again use silicone on a lock.
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I don't know if that is correct or not, but this is what I use in mine as well as lube the chain on my wifes bike
I like the new avatar COG!! :thumbs: :P
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I like the new avatar COG!! :thumbs: :P
;D Time for a change 8)
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Excellent- here we have a thread about the [best oil to use in KiPass]. Just for the record, I started one of these KiPass- lube threads years ago but it was wiped out in the recent crash.
;D
The jury seems to be out on what kind of lube to use in the keyhole of the various locks on motorcycles and also on what to lube the KiPass activation switch with. I will confess to using a small amount of silicone spray on the key and then using the key to transfer a small amount of it to the leaves (whatever they are called) of locks. It seems to work for me but might be the worst idea ever. ??
Brian
Reply to PH14 message regarding Graphite dusting of locks.
I always was taught by my dad to use graphite in locks. A few months ago when I went to a local locksmith, he told me not to use graphite as if it gets wet or get sprayed with silicone it cannot escape the lock and can cause binding / damage to the lock. He told me to use a teflon or silicone spray in the locks.
Anyone know if this is correct?
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I like the new avatar COG!! :thumbs: :P
+1 I asked for the full size version!
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Removed it once after about the first 3 months of ownership, Ki-Rock was needed later that night, coincidence? Never removed it again and now over 22,000 miles and that was only Ki-Rock incident.......
'09 non-ABS
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Hey, that is close enough to proof for me. Sort of like 'kill the virgin so the corn will grow'- they killed a virgin every year and by huckies, the new crop of corn grew.
I think it is OK to remove the stove knob key if you throw salt over your shoulder afterward though. ;)
Brian
Removed it once after about the first 3 months of ownership, Ki-Rock was needed later that night, coincidence? Never removed it again and now over 22,000 miles and that was only Ki-Rock incident.......
'09 non-ABS
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+1 I asked for the full size version!
Full size and real life version!
BTW, I leave my key in all the time. However to keep people from messing with it and other things on the bike, I always cover the bike when I travel. A cover helps with that and keeps the bike dry. :thumbs:
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Leave in and always lock the forks. Only remove for fuel and bags. But only have 400 miles on the bike so far so that could change over time.
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Hey, that is close enough to proof for me. Sort of like 'kill the virgin so the corn will grow'- they killed a virgin every year and by huckies, the new crop of corn grew.
I think it is OK to remove the stove knob key if you throw salt over your shoulder afterward though. ;)
Brian
Which shoulder Brian? I think that it matters. Face away from the bike too, Connie is on a salt free diet.
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I only removed and used the stove key once. I opened the fuel cap with it. When I closed the fuel cap (key still in) my ape-like hand somehow bent the key right over - it was remarkably soft. I was then terrified that it would snap off because I had to bend it back to remove it from the lock. It is nearly straight now, but I'll never use it again for fear I'll break it off :)
Anybody know if it can be replaced?
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Yes you must remove it and never leave it on the bike. Anyone with a pair of vice grips can force the key to start the bike and steal it.
True? That is the first I have heard of that - so if I forget my KIPASS fob, I can just muscle the stove knob key and start the bike? Cool!
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You need a valid fob to start the bike. There is no other way. The key could be forced to turn but the bike will not start without a valid fob w/in range.
Brian
True? That is the first I have heard of that - so if I forget my KIPASS fob, I can just must the stove knob key and start the bike? Cool!
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You need a valid fob to start the bike. There is no other way. The key could be forced to turn but the bike will not start without a valid fob w/in range.
Brian
KIPASS saves the day again! :D
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I do not know. I am not much for superstitions other than the amusing factor; it would be a life- long high point to get someone to do the KiPass incantation, including the dance that goes with it. I tried to teach Bob but I think we all know how that went (he couldn't remember anything past " I pledge, to the fob of KiPass, one starting system, undefeatable....." it is 'undefeatable' where he chokes up).
Brian
Which shoulder Brian? I think that it matters. Face away from the bike too, Connie is on a salt free diet.
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I leave mine in when parked, and use it for gas and bags. I've got in the habbit of leaving it in the FSS position, so it's handy to get in the bags if needed when parked. Most of the time, it's in the FSS position. If I leave the bike somewhere shady, I'll lock the steering.
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But if you leave it in the sunshine you don't bother to lock the steering?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Brian
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If I leave the bike somewhere shady, I'll lock the steering.
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Key stays in the ignition. Only removed when refueling. Main fob in my pocket. Back-up fob in my watch pocket.
Mike
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Yes, only to open the fuel tank, otherwise it stays put, no matter where I'm at. 3 yrs 3 months no problems...T
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But if you leave it in the sunshine you don't bother to lock the steering?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Brian
Saw that coming from a mile away. Had one of these waiting for ya. :chugbeer:
Drink up. 8)
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Or use that big key right in front of you. ;)
Brian
Bags always kept my stuff dry, through rain storms, road spray and washings. Knobbed my cases, with the added bonus of using either
bag key to unlock the tank without having to take the gloves off, or search in my pocket (which one today) for the FOB! Ahhh!!
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:yikes:
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Or use that big key right in front of you. ;)
Brian
Nope, never do. My knobbed key always in the right bag.
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Nope, never do. My knobbed key always in the right bag.
Took my big key out once, felt like I was doing somthing wrong or dirty..LOL
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Took my big key out once, felt like I was doing somthing wrong or dirty..LOL
:thumbs: Had a friend just buy a 2011 on eBay. Didn't bother to read the manual and was using the key that slides out of the FOB to open the bags and thought it was a PITA. Then he asked what the FSS position on the stove knob was for. :rotflmao: I showed him my solution of getting extra keys and epoxy them into radio knobs. He definitely likes that better.
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You are living right on the edge I tells' ya'! And the wrong, dirty part is putting it in....
Yeah, somewhere along the line, another commandment was added: Thou shalt not remove thy key from thy ignition on a C-14'. Fortunately for me, that "rule" was conjured up long after I bought mine and so I started using the main stove knob key for everything, just as Kawasaki intended, and have continued to this day. I think it works fine but if you guys are right, and there is a price to pay, I think sometime in the next 50 years, something bad is going to happen to me and we will all know I never should have taken the ign. key out in the first place. Well YOU will all know but not me I guess 'cause of that 'something bad' having already happened.
Brian
Took my big key out once, felt like I was doing somthing wrong or dirty..LOL
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You are living right on the edge I tells' ya'! And the wrong, dirty part is putting it in....
Yeah, somewhere along the line, another commandment was added: Thou shalt not remove thy key from thy ignition on a C-14'. Fortunately for me, that "rule" was conjured up long after I bought mine and so I started using the main stove knob key for everything, just as Kawasaki intended, and have continued to this day. I think it works fine but if you guys are right, and there is a price to pay, I think sometime in the next 50 years, something bad is going to happen to me and we will all know I never should have taken the ign. key out in the first place. Well YOU will all know but not me I guess 'cause of that 'something bad' having already happened.
Brian
Gnomes? Goblins? Gremlins?...
If you take that main stove knob key out...even momentarily...they'll run over from the beach and pour sand and salt water in your ignition.
Only if you're close to the ocean though...
Over in the high plains...they get dust storms.
Troof.
I use the big old stove knob key for everything, all the time, every time I ride the bike. That's what it's for...lol.
That's why the ignition says "FSS".
Rem :o
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You are living right on the edge I tells' ya'! And the wrong, dirty part is putting it in....
Yeah, somewhere along the line, another commandment was added: Thou shalt not remove thy key from thy ignition on a C-14'. Fortunately for me, that "rule" was conjured up long after I bought mine and so I started using the main stove knob key for everything, just as Kawasaki intended, and have continued to this day. I think it works fine but if you guys are right, and there is a price to pay, I think sometime in the next 50 years, something bad is going to happen to me and we will all know I never should have taken the ign. key out in the first place. Well YOU will all know but not me I guess 'cause of that 'something bad' having already happened.
Brian
If mother kawi really intended for you to take the key out and use it for the bags, why did she make it so BIG? You really don't want that stove knob in your pocket. What is the use model? Ride to a restaurant, turn to FSS, take it out, use it to open bags to put glove in or take out a book or what ever, lock the bags back up, put the key back in the ignition, activate KIPASS, turn it all the way back to lock. Now reverse the process when you get out of the restaurant. What a PITA! I mean they really didn't think this thing through.
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This is OUTSTANDING! We have not had a spirited 'discussion' of the merits / disasters of using the ign. key on a C-14 in a long time. Bob used to be the leader of that pack (the 'anti's'- he hated everything) but he is no longer with us (figuratively speaking, I assume and hope Bob is still very much with us).
Where you are going wrong is confusing 'taking the key out of the ign.' and 'putting they key in your pocket'. Why would you want to do that? Take the key out of the ign., use it where needed, then put it back. Easier and faster than tanking a key out of your pocket to do the same task.
And before we get to the part about how weak the ign. key is and how often it bends, try not to use it as a prying tool, don't step on it, etc., and all will be well. I remember one person forgetting the ign. key in a saddlebag, then kicking said key as he was throwing a leg over the bike. And of course, he whined about how weak the key was- stupid key!
I have been using the ignition key everywhere (Easy Boys, not THAT much of everywhere) since '07 and I still have an absolute full head of hair without the slightest hint of a bald spot! Coincidence? I don't think so..... A lot of you guys who never take the ignition key out are bald, which only goes to prove my point.
Brian
If mother kawi really intended for you to take the key out and use it for the bags, why did she make it so BIG? You really don't want that stove knob in your pocket. What is the use model? Ride to a restaurant, turn to FSS, take it out, use it to open bags to put glove in or take out a book or what ever, lock the bags back up, put the key back in the ignition, activate KIPASS, turn it all the way back to lock. Now reverse the process when you get out of the restaurant. What a PITA! I mean they really didn't think this thing through.
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The only thing I have to say about that is :popcorn:
If you decide to use the Big As* Stove Knob Key or BASKK for short, be careful as we've had numerous reports and Internet rumours that the key stuck within it, can bend very easily. If it's never taken out, it can't bend and get stuck in the ignition or the tank. Brian just leads a charmed life. He also soaks his fob in wine... ::) I mean, really? :rotflmao:
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I never said you shouldn't use it, I just said it felt wrong for some reason...LOL...I usually have a fob key in my right bag at all times unless the bike is unattended for a long period of time. So when I pull up to a gas pump I just reach over and grab the one out of my bag.
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This is the thread that keeps on giving :) (yeah, I injected new life into it from http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=19115.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=19115.0) )
Amazingly, I never even posted to this thread.... probably one of the several other similar ones. I had a third-party key made so I don't have to remove the stove key nor do I have to disturb/disassemble the active fob I keep in a zippered jacket pocket. Seems to work well, although it is bent some (the damn lock on the gas tank gets hard to turn all the time).
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Once just because and it went right back where it came from.
Use a fob key or a key that was cut for all needs.
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I usually use the stove knob for everything, although lately I have begun to use the fob key. I have an idea though for a ground breaking innovation that would eliminate the need to dig the fob out of the pocket and remove the little key. It would work for both the ignition and the bags and would eliminate the need to carry a fob. I'm going to call it...a key. :thumbs:
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a KEY....what's that an acronym for?
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Hey, it was not me but rather a moderator but still.... holy thread resurrection Batman! Still, it IS the same discussion, four years later. :-) And those people who are ascairt of taking the ign. key out are still wrong, four years later.
:rotflmao:
Brian
This is the thread that keeps on giving :) (yeah, I injected new life into it from http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=19115.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=19115.0) )
Amazingly, I never even posted to this thread.... probably one of the several other similar ones. I had a third-party key made so I don't have to remove the stove key nor do I have to disturb/disassemble the active fob I keep in a zippered jacket pocket. Seems to work well, although it is bent some (the damn lock on the gas tank gets hard to turn all the time).
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In some other language, it stands for So Simple Only a Caveman Would Want It.
KiPass Rocks!
Brian
a KEY....what's that an acronym for?
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Hey, it was not me but rather a moderator but still.... holy thread resurrection Batman! Still, it IS the same discussion, four years later. :-) And those people who are ascairt of taking the ign. key out are still wrong, four years later.
:rotflmao:
Brian
An oldie but a goodie! :chugbeer: :rotflmao:
I don't usually think twice about using the ignition key. It is usually quicker than getting the one out of the fob. I have kept my locks nice with graphite though so the key slides in and out out easily and turns nicely.
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An oldie but a goodie! :chugbeer: :rotflmao:
I don't usually think twice about using the ignition key. It is usually quicker than getting the one out of the fob. I have kept my locks nice with graphite though so the key slides in and out out easily and turns nicely.
So that's what KEY means...who knew.. :o We call it something else where I come from.
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Hey, it was not me but rather a moderator but still.... holy thread resurrection Batman! Still, it IS the same discussion, four years later. :-) And those people who are ascairt of taking the ign. key out are still wrong, four years later.
:rotflmao:
Brian
"ascairt"?...Hahahahahahaha....
6:19am Atlantic Time (that's an hour ahead of Eastern Time...lol) and I just snarfed coffee out my nose when I read "ascairt"...LOL.
I know you're all still in bed....
:o
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Not all of us. :(
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I usually use the stove knob for everything, although lately I have begun to use the fob key. I have an idea though for a ground breaking innovation that would eliminate the need to dig the fob out of the pocket and remove the little key. It would work for both the ignition and the bags and would eliminate the need to carry a fob. I'm going to call it...a key. :thumbs:
:yikes: Luddite!
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Not all of us. :(
Haha...the lights are still out in New York City when you get out of bed...lol!!
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Hey, it was not me but rather a moderator but still.... holy thread resurrection Batman! Still, it IS the same discussion, four years later. :-) And those people who are ascairt of taking the ign. key out are still wrong, four years later.
:rotflmao:
Brian
If you wait long enough, history will always repeat itself. Now with modern communications the cycle is compressed.
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:yikes: Luddite!
:finger_fing11:
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;D
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I think sometime in the next 50 years, something bad is going to happen to me and we will all know I never should have taken the ign. key out in the first place.
Well, I took it out and got leukemia a week later... so remove it at you own risk ;D. Ha ha.
Seriously, decided to use it exclusively. I'm already used to turn the bike off at 'FSS', for fueling, etc. And when at a restaurant or something, will just throw it in a pocket or something. One of the 'new' 2014 bikes I looked at had ignition/key damage due to somebody thinking he needed more force to turn the key. If the key is left in the ignition while on a trip, it might attract attention not just from thieves, but from somebody wanting to go for a joy ride... and ruin your trip if he tries too hard to turn the key and either breaks it inside, and/or damages the ignition. But that's just me ;).
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On a serious note (difficult in any KiPass thread), sorry to hear about your health issues and I wish you the very best in overcoming the condition. Not my field but as I understand it, your condition is extremely treatable and you have every reason to be positive regarding the outcome of treatment. Again, the very best as you move forward.
As far as someone tampering with the key left in the ignition: it does not seem to be a problem. Kawasaki made the 'stove knob' key with a ratchet mechanism in it so excessive force used to turn it will not damage the lock, only ratchet the key knob around the actual key itself. The only harm is that they key knob will end up being 'miss- timed' and will no longer align with the marks on the ign. switch housing. Still, the key will work fine and of course there are new stove knob keys available from Kawasaki to fix the timing problem. If it were to happen to me, I would tinker with the key itself and see if I could get it to ratchet back to the original position, being careful not to damage the key itself of course.
Brian
Well, I took it out and got leukemia a week later... so remove it at you own risk ;D. Ha ha.
Seriously, decided to use it exclusively. I'm already used to turn the bike off at 'FSS', for fueling, etc. And when at a restaurant or something, will just throw it in a pocket or something. One of the 'new' 2014 bikes I looked at had ignition/key damage due to somebody thinking he needed more force to turn the key. If the key is left in the ignition while on a trip, it might attract attention not just from thieves, but from somebody wanting to go for a joy ride... and ruin your trip if he tries too hard to turn the key and either breaks it inside, and/or damages the ignition. But that's just me ;).
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Yes. :-X
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I never thought about someone tapering with the bike with key in. I have always left the key in and locked the steering.
Never had any problems so far. I like the fact that the red light flashes, makes it look like there is an alarm.
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If the key is left in the ignition while on a trip, it might attract attention not just from thieves, but from somebody wanting to go for a joy ride... and ruin your trip if he tries too hard to turn the key and either breaks it inside, and/or damages the ignition. But that's just me ;).
Ya know, it's almost the opposite of what you would think....
Your first thought is to worry about thieves and people creeping around in the dark up to no good...
When the problem is far more likely to happen in broad daylight, right in front of you. One of your 6+ foot 250 pound friends gets on your bike, and tries to turn the key on. Before you realize what he's up to, you see him lean into it a bit so he can put some real force on the key that he cannot turn, and bam, he forces the knob itself to turn...lol.
LOL. I've watched it happen, more than once...lol. That simple black knob is a very complex and mysterious device in he eyes of the average man. That fact that it will not turn *should* make one realize that something else is required...but all it really makes them realize is that more force is required...lol.
Rem :o
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I just remembered that I used it once to open petrol cap and twisted the key badly. Straightened it and thought best not risk breaking it, that's was the last time it took it out.
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I just remembered that I used it once to open petrol cap and twisted the key badly. Straightened it and thought best not risk breaking it, that's was the last time it took it out.
If the key twisted, your petrol cap lock is in some serious need of lubrication. Use graphite. All my locks turn very easily. Simple quick maintenance.
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It's actually quite easy to bend with that monstrous cap on the end of the key..
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I also found that unless the lock is lubricated as PH suggests, it's difficult to remove from the lock. I used a dremel to cut little groves in the sides so I can get a good grip. No need now since I never take it out anymore.
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Good point, I will lube the petrol cap, but I do think the key is made from softer material. The keys from the fob do feel stiffer ( easy boys)........ to use Brian's phrase ;)
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If the key twisted, your petrol cap lock is in some serious need of lubrication. Use graphite. All my locks turn very easily. Simple quick maintenance.
Yep, I had the same problem. The issue is that the gas tank lock seems to corrode quickly and needs constant lubrication (like several times a year) for some reason. I do use graphite spray (which can be quite a mess) on both the cylinder and the side slides.
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Mine doesn't. Must be the salt air in your neck of the woods.
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Maybe it's just me but if I push down on the gas hole cap ever so slightly, the ignition key turns effortlessly with no fear of catastrophic failure.
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Maybe it's just me but if I push down on the gas hole cap ever so slightly, the ignition key turns effortlessly with no fear of catastrophic failure.
Haha...I was just going to say the same thing...you guys ARE giving the filler cap a little push down, right? Mine turns like butter, always has...my current 2010 C14, and the 08 before it.
Must be the salt air in your neck of the woods.
Don't think so...I'm at sea level, right next to the ocean...and it doesn't cause any problems for me.
Actually, I didn't even know there were problems with the fuel filler lock until I read this...
They've always worked fine on both my C14's, and the bikes before them as well.
Rem
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The salt is different up North than in the Mid-Atlantic. Everyone knows that.
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The salt is different up North than in the Mid-Atlantic. Everyone knows that.
Haha...is this a Geico Commercial?...lol.
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It just might be. Their HQ is just west of me.
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It just might be. Their HQ is just west of me.
See, I knew it.
Seriously...I've never had an issue with the fuel filler locks, but...I don't notice a lot of things that others do...so what I don't notice doesn't really matter...lol.
Rem
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There are some bikes that got a sort of whitish crud around the cap. Don't really know why. Mine has never got it and I haven't had a problem with using my spare key on it.
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Mine doesn't. Must be the salt air in your neck of the woods.
I posted about it in another thread somewhere. Mine gets this white stuff on it somehow. Could be the area, who knows.
To others- yes, I always push down while turning.
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Good point, I will lube the petrol cap, but I do think the key is made from softer material. The keys from the fob do feel stiffer ( easy boys)........ to use Brian's phrase ;)
Yes, I believe you are correct, the stove key does seem to be softer.
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Vindicated! :banana :banana
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What'd you do, have the dummy bite down on both keys and see which key had the deeper impressions?
:-)
Brian
Yes, I believe you are correct, the stove key does seem to be softer.
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I do agree that it is important to push down with the key (or put pressure on the petrol cap opposite to the hinge ) before turning. There seems to be some back pressure from the rubber seal.
The key is soft, it bent easy and straightend easy.
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Yes, I believe you are correct, the stove key does seem to be softer.
Maybe it needs a little blue pill. ;D
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Or Cialis, that way it gets hard when you want it to. :rotflmao:
Maybe it needs a little blue pill. ;D
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What'd you do, have the dummy bite down on both keys and see which key had the deeper impressions?
:-)
Brian
Nah, I know it was soft, it's been soaking in Pamolive.
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Or Cialis, that way it gets hard when you want it to. :rotflmao:
For those times you want to spend time in a bathtub on a beach with your motorcycle.
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And who does not?
By the way, I just glanced at the title of this thread and read it as 'stove knob key'.... but it really says 'stove pipe key'. Hmmmm, what is a stove pipe key? Who thinks the key in the ign. of a C-14 looks like a stove pipe?
Brian
For those times you want to spend time in a bathtub on a beach with your motorcycle.
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Hey, something new to soak my fob in! I ran out of ideas for things to dip that thing into years ago- thanks!
Brian
Nah, I know it was soft, it's been soaking in Pamolive.
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By the way, I just glanced at the title of this thread and read it as 'stove knob key'.... but it really says 'stove pipe key'. Hmmmm, what is a stove pipe key? Who thinks the key in the ign. of a C-14 looks like a stove pipe?
Good point. I don't even know what a "stove pipe" is, unless that is the chimney/exhaust from a wood burning stove or something? Certainly doesn't look like a pipe. Certainly doesn't look like just a stove. Attached is a photo of the knobs on my stove (really old stove). Yep, looks like that! I am changing the name of the thread to match (although all the existing posting subjects will, unfortunately, still say "stove pipe").
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For those times you want to spend time in a bathtub on a beach with your motorcycle.
I know I don't want MY motorcycle anywhere near a beach. The few times I encountered sand near the beach while riding a motorcycle were VERY scary. And to keep it on topic- sand is probably not a good thing for the ignition key, anyway :)
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Hey, something new to soak my fob in! I ran out of ideas for things to dip that thing into years ago- thanks!
Brian
:rotflmao:
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And who does not?
By the way, I just glanced at the title of this thread and read it as 'stove knob key'.... but it really says 'stove pipe key'. Hmmmm, what is a stove pipe key? Who thinks the key in the ign. of a C-14 looks like a stove pipe?
Brian
I had noticed that. I wonder if that's because it's smokin'?
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I never heard of a stove pipe key, this is close though...
(https://bakebros.agiliron.net/collateral//test/product/15-121_1.JPG)
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Did you clean that up for the picture?
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Did you clean that up for the picture?
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I never heard of a stove pipe key, this is close though...
Blech.
This is better
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Blech.
This is better
Looks as if you've covered all the bases on that one Max.
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Maybe it needs a little blue pill. ;D
If you ride over 4 hours there could be trouble :yikes:
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If you ride over 4 hours there could be trouble :yikes:
And what trouble might that entail? Will we need to seek medical help? I would call the news desk and brag.....
FWIW, I never remove the whatever it's called key. Use a FOB key to open bags and gas cap, and always lock the forks. Habit, If some wanted to roll it away, they would just go around in a circle.
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Vindicated! :banana :banana
now you do like the banana...
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nobody can stay mad at the banana :banana
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:)