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Offline rcannon409

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Ninja 1000
« on: July 09, 2012, 06:54:40 PM »
Well, its like this.  I love my c14 and dont see myself parting with it for  a long  time since I was able to get the seat and bar position to my liking.

So, I stopped into the local shop today for a c14 oil filter.  I was looking at an fz1, thinking how it might be nice for in town work, single up.  They had a nice, white 2011 that looked really good.

I overhear another customer looking at a zx14, limited.  He had a ninja 1000 for a month and wanted something Bigger, faster, etc.  So I listened.  His 2012 ninja was green, but no abs...oh, well....

Plus, the damn ninja needs the gas tank filled...can you believe that?  PLUS, it was a millionth of an inch too tall to fit in my van.   Yes, some bad words were said.

So, I ended up paying under a lot under10 for a 2012 under warranty. maybe our guy here can help me with an extension???  I would post  a pic, but its nto here!

Again, I love my c14, and its going nowhere.  I wan tit in tip-top condition for two up ridign/touring.  Plus, its a little too much for short rides.  Too heavy, too much power, and bulky.  If all my rider were over 20 miles, I'd stick with the c14.

Be warned, if making the same decision, or thinking about a ninja.  Insurance is seriously nuts on the ninja1k.  Progressive thinks its an official world superbike and wants a grand a year for good coverage.  I found another company called AMIG thats wants 272.00 per year for better coverage.  They may get all of my bikes and Progressive can kiss my ass.

So, heres what I'll have tomorrow..if I live long enough. My Cannon family has terrible genetics and we generally dont live much past 45 years old.  I've over the wall at 46.
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Offline Jeremy Mitchell

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 06:59:24 PM »
Post some pics before you die!   ;D


Good find! 
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 07:46:07 PM »
Did you give progressive the VIN # on the bike?  I know some of the insurance companies are really struggling with the ninja 1k and rating it as they would a zx10r. 

Either way hope you enjoy the bike, I've test rode em and they're pretty fun!

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 09:24:39 PM »
I did give progressive the vin and registered a complaint.   I told them this needs to be dealt with by friday, or me, the cars, and the other three bikes are going away.  Theres no reason this bike should cost twice what a z1000 costs in insurance.

Its actually a company worth fighting.   They went above and beyond the afternoon  my rental  car was punted into in the Hudson river.  Right  in the area of Sleepy Hollow (headless horseman). I'll feel bad switching, but the cost is 272 per yr vs 907....for worse coverage.
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Offline JeffM

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 11:37:02 PM »
Try State Farm. My understanding is they go by the displacement, rather than the model #.

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 06:30:40 AM »
I'll give them a cal as well, thank you.  Seriously, I wonder how progressive messed this one up so badly? Geico was sky-high as well.

I found a place called American Modern Insurance Group and they are 1/4 the price on the ninja and slightly less on the c14....No idea if its a good company or not, but we'll see. 

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 07:54:11 AM »
The guy I ride with and I both have Concours and Ninja 1000's.  Your Concours is about to get very lonely.  We have to force ourselves to ride the Concours every so often except for our annual trips.

And yes, the insurance is goofy.  Geico is the same btw.  I don't carry collision on mine.

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2012, 07:55:22 AM »
Try State Farm. My understanding is they go by the displacement, rather than the model #.

Very doubtful.  Do you think they are less on an 1800cc cruiser than they are on 1000 cc "crotch rockets"? 
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2012, 08:10:59 AM »
Very doubtful.  Do you think they are less on an 1800cc cruiser than they are on 1000 cc "crotch rockets"? 

If you are actually interested, perhaps you should actually check it out, rather than merely doubting.  Over the years, I have discovered that practices vary widely between states and carriers and probably between owner categories.  In AZ, for example, there are carriers who charge only by displacement (or a combination of cc's & MSRP), at least for certain age groups of riders.  So yes, I could get ZX14 coverage for the same price as C14 coverage.  They apparently feel that the risk is more based on the rider than on the bike.  Depending on your circumstances, that could be a good thing or a bad thing.
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 08:21:15 AM »
Very doubtful.  Do you think they are less on an 1800cc cruiser than they are on 1000 cc "crotch rockets"?

If I'm correct, and according to my co-worker who is also a State Farm agent I am - I wouldn't expect a 1800 anything be cheaper than a 1000 anything else.

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2012, 08:43:18 AM »
If you are actually interested, perhaps you should actually check it out, rather than merely doubting.  Over the years, I have discovered that practices vary widely between states and carriers and probably between owner categories.  In AZ, for example, there are carriers who charge only by displacement (or a combination of cc's & MSRP), at least for certain age groups of riders.  So yes, I could get ZX14 coverage for the same price as C14 coverage.  They apparently feel that the risk is more based on the rider than on the bike.  Depending on your circumstances, that could be a good thing or a bad thing.

What, I'm not allowed to doubt something without looking it up?  Sorry, but a company as major as State Farm is not likely to be that naive.  Sure, I could be wrong and maybe I am.  But I stand by my statement that it's doubtful.  I could see a C14 and ZX being the same because they are both sport oriented.  But comparing a 1000 cc ZX10r to an 1800 VTX or Harley Road Glide is not likely to be cheaper just because it has nearly half the displacement.    Big insurance companies are very sophisticated when it comes to how they rate vehicles. 
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2012, 09:14:33 AM »
Oh, you're allowed to doubt, all right.  But you miss out on stuff when you don't listen to people who have the answers.
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2012, 10:22:36 AM »
Congrats Roland! Now starts the slight guilt feelings when one bike gets used more than the other!
Are you gonna tune it now that you have fuel injection mapping figured out?

And Jim..... that 'vette lurking over in the corner of the garage looks like it might be some serious "kit".

Is it a Z06 or ZR-1?

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2012, 04:31:56 PM »
Try State Farm. My understanding is they go by the displacement, rather than the model #.

I don't believe that is true.  Their rates are VERY different between the GTR-1400 and the ZX14, for example.  Of course, calling and asking is far better than speculation.  I have been told that rates can vary from region to region, not just by size/model.
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2012, 04:34:30 PM »
Congrats Roland! Now starts the slight guilt feelings when one bike gets used more than the other!
Are you gonna tune it now that you have fuel injection mapping figured out?

And Jim..... that 'vette lurking over in the corner of the garage looks like it might be some serious "kit".

Is it a Z06 or ZR-1?

Fretka

Oh, that funny!  Figured out...yea.....YOU taught me all I know, and I'm still reading .  Sure, why not tune, though.  If it offers even 1/4 the improvement you got me on the c14, I would be thrilled.

I can plug the pcv into my laptop all by myself....with a flashlight.


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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2012, 04:44:39 PM »
The guy I ride with and I both have Concours and Ninja 1000's.  Your Concours is about to get very lonely.  We have to force ourselves to ride the Concours every so often except for our annual trips.

And yes, the insurance is goofy.  Geico is the same btw.  I don't carry collision on mine.



I think your right.  I LOVE my 14 for two up work and its damn good for single up as well.  Scary fast in a tight canyon.  Still, its a compromise....a damn good one at that, but heres my thoughts....

The c14 feels one size too large when in town.  Not that it wont do it, cause it will.  Just one size too large. But perfect for the freeway.  I wanted something for local riding, the under 100 mile trips.  I'll use th ec14 for long range stuff or days when I need to carry a lot. Plus, I'm carrying my wife and it will be easy to keep the tires and such in perfect condition.

Kawi SHOULD make a new c10, actually, based on the ninja 1000.  I dont think it would compete with either if they kept the weight in the high 500 range.  Based on the number of ninja 1000's for sale, they are selling well.  There are 2 2012's left in  Utah..both black, gray, non abs.  Kawasaki has 1 green and black in the warehouse..thats it.


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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2012, 04:46:19 PM »
Looks like a Z06 to me.

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2012, 07:38:20 PM »
So, I got the first 50 miles out of the way. I really like the bike.  BUT, its no c 14.   I believe my c14 with files removed and the pcv added is faster.  Its certainly smoother.   Low end torque is very good.   Its nto very smooth, although that coudl change as break-in happens.  Smooth enough, but those who say the c14 is rough woudl hate it.

The little windshield is good, though.  It smooths the air more so than blocking it.  Heres the first picture.

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2012, 08:12:19 PM »
Love the color, now get rid of the mud flap and go ride!   ;)
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 08:14:17 PM »
Yea, that flap sucks. I removed the reflectors, but my cordless dremel was dead...that flap...I did nto see a way to cut it and make it look decent, so I ordered  a muzzy's.
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