Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: gildaguz on November 26, 2018, 06:07:17 PM
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Had to remove the rear sensor to replace the battery again because last one last just only a few months probably because the one I put on have it stored for a few years and was no good.
Having the sensor out take the chance and try a generic programmable sensor and having a tool that is capable to copy the ID from the old sensor and write it down in the generic sensor or if you have the sensor ID you can input it manually in the tool and write it down in the generic sensor, new sensor price is in the $30.00 range , the only problem is that you have to use a steam valve for vehicles and fabricate a little bracket to secure the sensor or use a strap to secure it to the wheel, it works perfectly and wake up faster than the stock one, will post pictures later because files are too large and system does not allowed me to download
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Does any body know how to edit the photos to make them the smaller size good enough to post them here?
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(https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/gildaguz/20181126_183730_zpslis24inc.jpg)
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(https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/gildaguz/img_20181126_191005_zps4f95vtxu.jpg)
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(https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/gildaguz/img_20181126_190846_zpswdoonhhq.jpg)
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(https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/gildaguz/20181126_115051_zps37cpjhm5.jpg)As you can see in the tool the ID is the same that is in the concours sensor
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So you are talking about this?:
http://www.schraderinternational.com/Products/Product-Folder/NA-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA (http://www.schraderinternational.com/Products/Product-Folder/NA-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA)
So this is a sensor that can clone our stock sensor's ID and connect to the stock TPMS display? Interesting...
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Does any body know how to edit the photos to make them the smaller size good enough to post them here?
Well, that varies dramatically on what computer and tools and OS you have. I use nothing but Linux, and resize/edit photos locally using "GIMP" which is also available (free/open source) for other operating systems, such as MS-Windows. I do recommend you upload photos rather than link to them, since at any moment, hosted photos will disappear and then the thread becomes far less useful for future readers.
You can also use online tools (web sites), such as: http://resizeimage.net/ (http://resizeimage.net/) or http://www.picresize.com/ (http://www.picresize.com/)
PS- you reference a "as you can see on the tool" in one of the postings, but there is no photo of that :)
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Well, that varies dramatically on what computer and tools and OS you have. I use nothing but Linux, and resize/edit photos locally using "GIMP" which is also available (free/open source) for other operating systems, such as MS-Windows. I do recommend you upload photos rather than link to them, since at any moment, hosted photos will disappear and then the thread becomes far less useful for future readers.
You can also use online tools (web sites), such as: http://resizeimage.net/ (http://resizeimage.net/) or http://www.picresize.com/ (http://www.picresize.com/)
PS- you reference a "as you can see on the tool" in one of the postings, but there is no photo of that :)
Thanks
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So you are talking about this?:
http://www.schraderinternational.com/Products/Product-Folder/NA-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA (http://www.schraderinternational.com/Products/Product-Folder/NA-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA)
So this is a sensor that can clone our stock sensor's ID and connect to the stock TPMS display? Interesting...
So you are talking about this?:
http://www.schraderinternational.com/Products/Product-Folder/NA-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA (http://www.schraderinternational.com/Products/Product-Folder/NA-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA)
Yes it is the one
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/TPMS-Programmable-Sensor-Schrader-Programmable-EZ-Sensor-w-Rubber-Valve/253993583205?epid=16017016124&hash=item3b23328265:g:g3YAAOSw2fRb9e~y:rk:6:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/TPMS-Programmable-Sensor-Schrader-Programmable-EZ-Sensor-w-Rubber-Valve/253993583205?epid=16017016124&hash=item3b23328265:g:g3YAAOSw2fRb9e~y:rk:6:pf:0)
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Yes it is the one
Well, amazing if that works, and the price is dirt cheap! Of course, you still have to get the tool to program it, and it seems you needed to do some work to make it fit. Should be an interesting experiment. I know many people will want to read more about your experiences, especially programming, accuracy, and how it holds up over time.
It seems to suffer the same flaw as all these other sensors- internal battery that will die. They claim 7 to 10 years of service.
I checked the "fitment" guides on their site, neither Kawasaki nor Concours were listed anywhere that I could find. Maybe you should let them know they could have another market they don't even know about :)
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Well, amazing if that works, and the price is dirt cheap! Of course, you still have to get the tool to program it, and it seems you needed to do some work to make it fit. Should be an interesting experiment. I know many people will want to read more about your experiences, especially programming, accuracy, and how it holds up over time.
It seems to suffer the same flaw as all these other sensors- internal battery that will die. They claim 7 to 10 years of service.
I checked the "fitment" guides on their site, neither Kawasaki nor Concours were listed anywhere that I could find. Maybe you should let them know they could have another market they don't even know about :)
I have many years working on cars and after this system come to the market have some experience working with that, yes it is correct, in the applications kawasaki is not listed and also the tools to program them have no kawasaky as an option but what i did was to search for the menu for a vehicle were the tool is able to read the kawasaki stock sensor ID and in the same menu for that vehicle used the option to write that ID to the EZ sensor and it work, those 315 Megahertz sensors work in most of vehicles but the operation is different for each brand of vehicle, the one that worked for mine is the 2009 Mazda 3, so any one that want to try it just have to get one of the EZ sensors and go tho any tire shop that have a generic tool capable to program SCHADRER EZ sensors and ask to program it using the menu for 2009 Mazda 3 , you have to bring the old sensor or write the ID found in the stock sensor
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I wonder if registering the Schrader ID number to the bike's KIPASS ECU with KDS would work?
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I wonder if registering the Schrader ID number to the bike's KIPASS ECU with KDS would work?
The Schrader EZ sensors come with an ID and also you can overwrite them with the number on your kawasaki sensor or if you know the number registered on the KEYPASS ECU just Write one of those on the new EZ sensor and that is it , you do not need to pay to the Stiller to do any programing with the KDS
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After you have the sensor programed there are two ways to test it before you mount it in the tire and go for a ride to confirm that it work, it can be done with the stock Kawasaki sensor or the generic sensor, just hold it in your hand and standing next to your bike with the ignition on get a magnet and rub the sensor around, it will wake up the sensor and show in he display, will show no pressure but will display the low tire warning message, the other way that wake it up is securing the sensor with electrical tape to your bicycle rear tire and while holding the bicycle up next to the motorcycle spin the tire, this procedure is also good for when you replace the stock sensor battery, it is good to confirm that it work before you put every ting back together
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Thanks GG. A magnet to wake the sensor up eh? Never thought/heard/imagined that - well done.
I don't quite follow the earlier post about ID number. Are you saying they come with/out an ID number? I can see the 8 digit number in your pix. I don't have access to the tool to change the Schrader sensor ID number to the original Kaw ID number but I do have KDS to delete an old sensor ID number and add a a new ID number - the one printed on the Schrader sensor.
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I wonder if registering the Schrader ID number to the bike's KIPASS ECU with KDS would work?
sorry, I forgot that when I answered your question , yes it come with a 6 digits ID that can be overwrite and for you that have that tool you can write that number to the KIPAS ECU and it must work
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Good find but what I wonder is will it trigger the bogus low battery warning in a year just like the OEM?
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Good find but what I wonder is will it trigger the bogus low battery warning in a year just like the OEM?
soon or later it will, it use a battery too
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I haven't had any issues with my sensors after I replaced the batteries in them and that's been awhile ago, probably close to 4 years now at least.
As far as photos go, the easiest way is to dial down the picture size on the phone or camera. If you have Windows 10, you can resize through the photo viewer by right clicking on the image. You'll see a resize button and from there you have options.
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can this scanner be used to clone the programmable sensors ??
https://www.amazon.com/Autel-TS401-Activation-MX-sensor-Programming/dp/B00AERMVYC (https://www.amazon.com/Autel-TS401-Activation-MX-sensor-Programming/dp/B00AERMVYC)
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It does the same but with a different sensors brand, they work in the same frecuency, that is a good deal compared with this one
https://www.bartecusa.com/tech400pro (https://www.bartecusa.com/tech400pro)
It is the one I used to do mine,
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How would it connect to the bike?
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Excellent info., thanks! And that tool is inexpensive enough to break even just replacing the sensors on a couple of bikes!
Brian
It does the same but with a different sensors brand, they work in the same frecuency, that is a good deal compared with this one
https://www.bartecusa.com/tech400pro (https://www.bartecusa.com/tech400pro)
It is the one I used to do mine,
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How would it connect to the bike?
My understanding is that it doesn't connect to the bike but clones the stock sensor by writing its ID number to the Schrader sensor with the 'tool.'
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Those interested will probably will need more information about the mounting/bracket. Does the sensor need an air connection to the valve stem for reference to atmosphere, or does it have a self-contained vessel it compares against? It looks in your photo like it is not air-connected to the stem, its just hanging there off that bracket you made. (This could be a $ opportunity for someone to sell Concours "kits" with programming service and pre-made brackets.)
As an aside- without a reference to atmosphere, it cannot have an accurate reading for various elevations. But I am thinking it is too small a difference to matter with this? I played with some calculations and it seems it would be only about 1.5 psi difference between sea level and 3000ft. Does the OEM compare to atmosphere? (It looks like it probably does).
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Those interested will probably will need more information about the mounting/bracket. Does the sensor need an air connection to the valve stem for reference to atmosphere, or does it have a self-contained vessel it compares against? It looks in your photo like it is not air-connected to the stem, its just hanging there off that bracket you made. (This could be a $ opportunity for someone to sell Concours "kits" with programming service and pre-made brackets.)
As an aside- without a reference to atmosphere, it cannot have an accurate reading for various elevations. But I am thinking it is too small a difference to matter with this? I played with some calculations and it seems it would be only about 1.5 psi difference between sea level and 3000ft. Does the OEM compare to atmosphere? (It looks like it probably does).
The sensor is enclosed inside of the tire and read only the pressure inside of the tire, same as the OEM i in this system the atmospheric pressure do not affect the reading but the temperature does
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My understanding is that it doesn't connect to the bike but clones the stock sensor by writing its ID number to the Schrader sensor with the 'tool.'
That is correct, for the ECU is like if the old OEM sensor still there, no programing needed to the bike ECU
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This is the material that i used to made the bracket, the bolt that secure the bracket to the valve stem come with it and is perforated to let the air flow and you need a little bolt to secure the sensor to the bracket and mount the flat side of the sensor against the rim, there are different kind of valve stem depending on the brand
(https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/gildaguz/20181127_192722_zpst6ummxvq.jpg)
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Here is how it look from outside
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Here are two different stem valve, the one at the left is the one i used and it is for BMW vehicles and the air flow though the center of that bolt , the one at the right is the schrader, same brand as the sensor and the air flow through two little holes as the one you see in the picture
(https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/gildaguz/20181127_195145_zpsqbyvkilp.jpg)
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-Mini-VALVE-STEM-TIRE-SENSOR-TPMS-SERVICE-REBUILD-KIT-VS-BM03/232229605595?hash=item3611f690db:g:7d8AAOSwA3dYlqQd:rk:31:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-Mini-VALVE-STEM-TIRE-SENSOR-TPMS-SERVICE-REBUILD-KIT-VS-BM03/232229605595?hash=item3611f690db:g:7d8AAOSwA3dYlqQd:rk:31:pf:0)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schrader-34000-Aluminum-Clamp-in-Style-Valve-for-TPMS-Snap-in-Sensor/323397242604?epid=1524869404&hash=item4b4bfa4eec:g:nbwAAOSwzlFbc4ar:rk:15:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schrader-34000-Aluminum-Clamp-in-Style-Valve-for-TPMS-Snap-in-Sensor/323397242604?epid=1524869404&hash=item4b4bfa4eec:g:nbwAAOSwzlFbc4ar:rk:15:pf:0)
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It does the same but with a different sensors brand, they work in the same frecuency, that is a good deal compared with this one
https://www.bartecusa.com/tech400pro (https://www.bartecusa.com/tech400pro)
It is the one I used to do mine,
these are the Autel sensors...
more info from Autel.... "...if you buy a Autel MX Sensor in which you can use the TS401 or the TS501 to read the ID number from the TPMS Sensor you are replacing and program that ID number into the new Autel MX TPMS Sensor."
https://www.amazon.com/Autel-315MHz-Programmable-Pressure-Monitoring/dp/B075SBSV5Y/ref=pd_bxgy_263_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B075SBSV5Y&pd_rd_r=36e7cd62-f2ba-11e8-977c-95c218487850&pd_rd_w=bj4Mf&pd_rd_wg=yiWmN&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=6725dbd6-9917-451d-beba-16af7874e407&pf_rd_r=F6KPJVXHVYTAECVJ86TJ&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=F6KPJVXHVYTAECVJ86TJ (https://www.amazon.com/Autel-315MHz-Programmable-Pressure-Monitoring/dp/B075SBSV5Y/ref=pd_bxgy_263_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B075SBSV5Y&pd_rd_r=36e7cd62-f2ba-11e8-977c-95c218487850&pd_rd_w=bj4Mf&pd_rd_wg=yiWmN&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=6725dbd6-9917-451d-beba-16af7874e407&pf_rd_r=F6KPJVXHVYTAECVJ86TJ&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=F6KPJVXHVYTAECVJ86TJ)
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Why did it need the angled mount? Did it protrude too far into the tire the way it came?
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Why did it need the angled mount? Did it protrude too far into the tire the way it came?
Yes it does and the centrifugal force that is what wake up the sensor will not be the same, the sensor is designed to be on a position in the wheel the way that it wake up when wheel spin ans as those sensor are designed for cars and no for motorcycles the purpose of the bracket is to mount the sensor in the way that must be
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Thanks for researching this; I use those same sensors at work every day. We have a drawer full of them. This makes me wonder if there are right-angle valve stems that will work.
edit : Such as
https://www.chapmoto.com/bikemaster-45-degree-angled-valve-stem-310-03-33?gclid=CjwKCAiAlvnfBRA1EiwAVOEgfGn1O8wSeMj8ZDaD9xP5N2YMHVrfmecnIgERZ8eUX6Bey-woIwNyXhoClZ8QAvD_BwE (https://www.chapmoto.com/bikemaster-45-degree-angled-valve-stem-310-03-33?gclid=CjwKCAiAlvnfBRA1EiwAVOEgfGn1O8wSeMj8ZDaD9xP5N2YMHVrfmecnIgERZ8eUX6Bey-woIwNyXhoClZ8QAvD_BwE)
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This makes me wonder if there are right-angle valve stems that will work.
I was thinking the same thing. The straight ones are such an incredible pain in the *ss sometimes. I like the 45 degree one, seems like a perfect compromise between straight and 90 degrees.
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Thanks for researching this; I use those same sensors at work every day. We have a drawer full of them. This makes me wonder if there are right-angle valve stems that will work.GP
edit : Such as
https://www.chapmoto.com/bikemaster-45-degree-angled-valve-stem-310-03-33?gclid=CjwKCAiAlvnfBRA1EiwAVOEgfGn1O8wSeMj8ZDaD9xP5N2YMHVrfmecnIgERZ8eUX6Bey-woIwNyXhoClZ8QAvD_BwE (https://www.chapmoto.com/bikemaster-45-degree-angled-valve-stem-310-03-33?gclid=CjwKCAiAlvnfBRA1EiwAVOEgfGn1O8wSeMj8ZDaD9xP5N2YMHVrfmecnIgERZ8eUX6Bey-woIwNyXhoClZ8QAvD_BwE)
Good, do not forget, as you will not find in the tool menu theoption, for Kawasaki motorcycles just find a brand and model of. Vehicle that the tool. be able to read the Kawasaki OEM sensor identification number and under same menu input that information to the generic sensor
2009 Mazda 3 worked for me but there should be moore
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With those angled valve stem is easy to mount the sensor using a bracket, just a little bit of imagination
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Any difficulties balancing the wheel?
Wayne
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Any difficulties balancing the wheel?
Wayne
it does not make any difference
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Good, do not forget, as you will not find in the tool menu the option, for Kawasaki motorcycles just find a brand and model of. Vehicle that the tool. be able to read the Kawasaki OEM sensor identification number and under same menu input that information to the generic sensor
2009 Mazda 3 worked for me but there should be moore
I decided to check this process out just for the heck of it. My bike has 433MHz sensors so I bought an Autel 433 MX sensor plus their MaxiPad for reading/programming/cloning. I also have KDS3 and a coupla spare early stock sensors into which I'd fitted new batteries. Following gildagauz' comment in reply #18 I entered the Autel sensor's ID into the Kipass ECU after I'd found a vehicle which read the genuine Kaw sensor as detailed below and programmed the Autel sensor to suit the vehicle, 'tested' it using the Autel feature, did the' propeller thing' as outlined below and got no reading.
The Autel MaxiPad read the stock sensor ID ok - after I had gone thru about 50 'vehicles' on its data base to find one that would read it - so I copied and programmed the Kaw sensor into the new generic sensor. Using the 'test' feature of the MaxiPad it showed that the new sensor did in fact have the same ID number as the Kaw sensor.
Using KDS I programmed that spare Kaw sensor into the bike's Kipass ECU, did the 'propeller thing' with the sensor on a piece of cord for 75 seconds until the bike's display showed the flat tyre warning and 0 psi. I turned the ignition off. I then put the cloned Autel sensor on the cord, gave it a whirl for a couple of minutes and - nothing. I turned the ignition off. I then repeated the whirling with the Kaw sensor - flat tyre warning and 0 psi. So I did it again with the cloned sensor for a bit longer without success.
All this after recently 'playing' with 2 new 433MHz LDL sensors from a TireWatch kit, which look identical to the early Kaw sensor. Surprisingly, neither of the new LDL replacement 'kit' sensors worked on my bike after the ID number was programmed into the KIPASS ECU with KDS. I contacted the supplier of the TireWatch kit who contacted the factory in France as to why this is so, to be told that the 'baud rate' of Kaw sensors and the kit sensors is different even tho the frequency is the same and the 8 digit ID number is similar alpha-numeric.
Doing some Googling I found this interesting thread which seems to explain why non-OEM sensors will not work.
https://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/2-goldwing-technical-forum/468273-gl1800-tpms-possibility.html (https://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/2-goldwing-technical-forum/468273-gl1800-tpms-possibility.html)
So, after reading back thru this thread, my question to gildaguz is: did you actually get the generic 315MHz sensor to function correctly in a C14? I ask this in light of your reply #18 wherein you write: yes it come with a 6 digits ID that can be overwrite and for you that have that tool you can write that number to the KIPAS ECU and it must work'
I have a Schrader programmable sensor 'in the mail' to give it a try, as that's the brand you used. Stay tuned in the New Year.
:chugbeer:
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I received the Schrader a few days ago. I found a 'vehicle' that would read the 315MHz sensor data using the Autel Maxi TPMS Pad but have been unable to read the 433MHz data as yet. I've emailed Schrader about it but have had no response - as yet. I think 'I'm wasting my sweetness on the desert air' to quote a poet I just can't recall right now.
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I received the Schrader a few days ago. I found a 'vehicle' that would read the 315MHz sensor data using the Autel Maxi TPMS Pad but have been unable to read the 433MHz data as yet. I've emailed Schrader about it but have had no response - as yet. I think 'I'm wasting my sweetness on the desert air' to quote a poet I just can't recall right now.
So, after reading back thru this thread, my question to gildaguz is: did you actually get the generic 315MHz sensor to function correctly in a C14? I ask this in light of your reply #18 wherein you write: yes it come with a 6 digits ID that can be overwrite and for you that have that tool you can write that number to the KIPAS ECU and it must work'
I am sorry but been away from the forum for a while
Yes the 315 MHz worked fine on my 2009 concours
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Thanks GG. I haven't heard back from Schrader, will give them another try/
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(https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/gildaguz/img_20181126_191005_zps4f95vtxu.jpg)
Can anyone tell me why the OEM TPMS is marked " 315/433 Mhz" ?
How or why does it operate on both frequencies ?
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Can anyone tell me why the OEM TPMS is marked " 315/433 Mhz" ?
How or why does it operate on both frequencies ?
maybe because that picture is not an OEM....?
this whole scenario, is once again being discussed on the COG forum, and it deals with the Autel sensor, and programmer... and the problems associated with making it work...
currently, we have no solution, maybe one will miraculously appear, but I'm not doing the "breath hold"...
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Thanks GG. I haven't heard back from Schrader, will give them another try/
Just to report back that there's nothing more to report from me. I tried two different email addresses for Schrader, one in USA and one in Europe as I recall, and received no replies.