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Title: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: ninjawarrior1400 on January 15, 2013, 03:58:50 pm
I can't believe the insanity in Washington.......everyone that protects Obama, carries an assault weapon! He wants you to NOT have one......so you can call 911 when someone is breaking into your home......then wait for the police to finish their coffee break, they arrive, you are dead, they write the report, call the medical examiner...process the scene....then leave....next call!!

They tried to regulate moonshining, drugs, and prostitution....none of it worked.....if guns go underground.....anyone wanting one will just pay a bigger price......nuff said!

Next thing they will ban motorcycles because they cause too many injuries.......then maybe toothbrushes and razors so you can't shave unless in the company of a police officer.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Miss Silvera on January 15, 2013, 05:18:47 pm
I can't believe the insanity in Washington.......everyone that protects Obama, carries an assault weapon! He wants you to NOT have one......so you can call 911 when someone is breaking into your home......then wait for the police to finish their coffee break, they arrive, you are dead, they write the report, call the medical examiner...process the scene....then leave....next call!!


Nope you got that wrong...POTUS wants us UNARMED.....train rides are next then a "shower"   

Serious....POTUS wants us unarmed...his long term goals are to extend the time a pres can hold office, disarm America, and become Kim Jong eel the 3rd , except to China this time
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Strawboss on January 15, 2013, 05:49:23 pm
It doesn't matter what we think. Debate all you want. Talk all you want. Have forums and town meetings all you want. Better strap in its going to be a bumpy ride like you've never seen before. Thought the dark years of the Clinton second term were bad? You ain't seen nothin.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Pokey on January 15, 2013, 06:45:11 pm
We can only hope that many states and their counties will uphold the Constitution. There are MANY former and current military and law enforcement that will in fact do all they can to uphold and protect the Constitution, and the oaths they took.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Strawboss on January 15, 2013, 07:09:32 pm
Coincidental that the NY law was signed today, by a Republican controlled house and a Democratic controlled Senate, one day before the President announces 19 possible Executive Orders concerning firearms. Well, it is NY after all. But I find this telling in the argument by them to come as to how much support they'll say there is out there for sweeping changes, "common sense" changes. Now, theres that phrase again.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: tjpgi on January 15, 2013, 07:36:05 pm
Whatever laws they pass will be impotent if the 100's of millions of gun owners simply ignore them. Obama chooses what federal laws he will enforce and respects, well so can the American people. What has he done to enforce the federal law against illegal drugs in Colorado, Washington and California?
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Snibbor on January 15, 2013, 07:54:51 pm
Well, now that it's official that we're keeping Texas, I say a new petition is in order for New York to secede.  Commie @#$$#$
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Conrad on January 16, 2013, 04:38:08 am
I can't believe the insanity in Washington.......everyone that protects Obama, carries an assault weapon! He wants you to NOT have one......so you can call 911 when someone is breaking into your home......then wait for the police to finish their coffee break, they arrive, you are dead, they write the report, call the medical examiner...process the scene....then leave....next call!!

They tried to regulate moonshining, drugs, and prostitution....none of it worked.....if guns go underground.....anyone wanting one will just pay a bigger price......nuff said!

Next thing they will ban motorcycles because they cause too many injuries.......then maybe toothbrushes and razors so you can't shave unless in the company of a police officer.

You know, there ARE other types of firearms besides 'assault weapons'?
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on January 16, 2013, 05:04:05 am
You know, there ARE other types of firearms besides 'assault weapons'?

Yes, true. I don't have any "assault" weapons so no dog in the fight but - You can see that NY limited total mag capacity to 7 rounds. Supposedly no new semi-auto pistols can be purchased, so CC'ers in NY will have to buy revolvers. This is just another step to infringe on your ability for self defense.

Look at it this way - back in the 70's and early 80's when uzi's and tec9's were getting attention, the police made a sweeping push to move AWAY from revolvers to large cap semi's because they were 'outgunned" by the criminals. Now that large cap semi's are the norm and available to all criminals, ordinary law-abiding people are pushed back to revolver capacity. How much sense does that make? This is just another way to disarm the law abiding citizen, all the while saying "we're not infringing on your rights".  BS. Steve
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: timsatx on January 16, 2013, 06:38:18 am
Even my little KelTec P11 would be illegal with 10 rounds.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Miss Silvera on January 16, 2013, 07:12:24 am
Hahahah...and I'm laughing at NY stupidos...   Like this is gonna work....O me...I don't understand how they can be so near sighted

several revolvers now available with 8 and 9 shots...S&W, Ruger

If the law sticks, I would expect to see more....

I would also expect to see a magazine exchange set up

Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Nosmo on January 16, 2013, 07:23:25 am
Please don't tell these idiots that a double-action revolver is functionally the same as an auto-loading pistol, they'll want to ban them, too.  Then we'll be back to Colt SAA's.  It just proves that this whole thing is a form of mass hysteria brought on by the media blitz.  The only thing the average non-gun-owning American hears is "9mm SEMI-AUTOMATIC....SEMI-AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLE....etc."  People will want to ban what they hear about, since that is all they know.  While I routinely carry an auto-loading pistol, I don't consider myself all that much "under-defended" with my S&W 4" 629 .44 Mag, or the Ruger 4" GP-100 .357, or my .38 Colt Dick Special, and a couple of speedloaders. 

Which brings up this question:  What is the legality of a speedloader for one of the .22 revolvers that has a 10 round cylinder?  Do these fools consider a speedloader to be a removable magazine?  (Sshhhhh...don't tell them it even exists.)
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Outback_Jon on January 16, 2013, 07:41:49 am
Which brings up this question:  What is the legality of a speedloader for one of the .22 revolvers that has a 10 round cylinder?  Do these fools consider a speedloader to be a removable magazine?  (Sshhhhh...don't tell them it even exists.)
I don't know about a speedloader, but I'd guess that moon clips for larger capacity revolvers might be problematic.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: leyenda30 on January 16, 2013, 07:56:18 am
It seems the solution has already been made to answer these (informed?) election driven lawmakers.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Nosmo on January 16, 2013, 08:09:52 am
It seems the solution has already been made to answer these (informed?) election driven lawmakers.

I want one!  I'm sure I can find a good holster to hide that under my T-shirt. ;D

Hhmmm...two firing pins, one rotating cylinder, looks like the bottom barrel (inner circle of the cylinder) will run out of ammo before the top barrel.  I bet it kicks like a summ-bitch when both are firing together.  (Or maybe not with all that weight of steel in the frame/cylinder.)
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Outback_Jon on January 16, 2013, 08:19:49 am
I want one!  I'm sure I can find a good holster to hide that under my T-shirt. ;D

Hhmmm...two firing pins, one rotating cylinder, looks like the bottom barrel (inner circle of the cylinder) will run out of ammo before the top barrel.  I bet it kicks like a summ-bitch when both are firing together.  (Or maybe not with all that weight of steel in the frame/cylinder.)
Is it one cylinder, or two?  Looks like it might be one inside the other. 
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: leyenda30 on January 16, 2013, 08:31:01 am
It looks like it has a selector mechanism on the hammer...maybe
?
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: jonathan on January 16, 2013, 08:42:07 am
I'm in Canada where we do have gun control laws and I am happy about that. We are allowed guns for hunting and for collecting under tightly controlled conditions. Yes, we have criminals with guns that don't have licences, but we also have police with automatic weapons that seem to keep that under control. If the general population underwent the same screening, training and qualification that the police do then I would be OK with them carrying, but not, as it appears in the US, when any jackass with a extra $200 can buy a gun and carry it in public just waiting for someone to **** him off.

I think that US gun laws are basically non-existent and many innocent people are dying that don't need to. Our gun laws aren't perfect, but everyone that wants to still gets to hunt and target shoot without taking pot shots at random citizens.

As an aside; why do you need assault rifles? Deer don't shoot back.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: gPink on January 16, 2013, 09:04:11 am
Posts like this will consign this thread to the Arena. When it does we'll continue this conversation. In the mean time, please consider the fact that you have insulted a majority of the members of this forum. In short, screw you.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Conrad on January 16, 2013, 09:10:51 am
Posts like this will consign this thread to the Arena. When it does we'll continue this conversation. In the mean time, please consider the fact that you have insulted a majority of the members of this forum. In short, screw you.


+1

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Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Walker18 on January 16, 2013, 09:15:56 am
In a calm voice Jonathan, you and your countrymen grew up with your laws, as we grew up with ours. Now we as a country are being forced
into a limited freedom change, and a vast majority are not in agreement with them. If the shoe were on the other foot, how would your countrymen
react to a similar change? With open arms? And accepting criticism from non-citizens, plus being insulted on your intelligence? Without the understanding
on how the majority of us grew up controlling our weapons, being instructed from our family, instructors and military, an intelligent opinion should not
be formed without that knowledge, don't you think??
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: jonathan on January 16, 2013, 09:24:56 am
In a calm voice Jonathan, you and your countrymen grew up with your laws, as we grew up with ours. Now we as a country are being forced
into a limited freedom change, and a vast majority are not in agreement with them. If the shoe were on the other foot, how would your countrymen
react to a similar change? With open arms? And accepting criticism from non-citizens, plus being insulted on your intelligence? Without the understanding
on how the majority of us grew up controlling our weapons, being instructed from our family, instructors and military, an intelligent opinion should not
be formed without that knowledge, don't you think??

Thank you for explaining that. I am trying to understand this situation and did not mean to insult anyone. We do not get the insight from the media here, only the sensationalism.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: leyenda30 on January 16, 2013, 09:38:53 am
The fact that we live in a modern age we have modern firearms to defend against the same and is as it should be. My intent is for my protection from terrorism in what ever form. Homeland security admits they cannot control our boarders or criminals and the facts prove this. We the people need to get this fact presented not the need for deer rifles and single shot 22s. That is the REAL purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect ourselves from tyranny from what ever source. The law could not stop the psychos. An organize and armed public might be able to, as well as defend against the armed drug cartels south of us. How would you feel living near the border with the proposed laws in effect? All warm and fuzzy I'm sure. JP
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Walker18 on January 16, 2013, 10:01:03 am
Thank you for explaining that. I am trying to understand this situation and did not mean to insult anyone. We do not get the insight from the media here, only the sensationalism.

And that is a BIG problem for us. It is apparent that the current administration, along with the entertainment industry (including the media), are in
lock step to lead the (sh)people down a path that is beneficial for the controlling principals, not for the citizens. I personally find that the media
scores big numbers of supporters in cities, consisting of a melting pot of folks from around the world, with their mindset from their own countries
beliefs. And then you have the city folk, that never step outside of their overpopulated lifestyle, and who would never step into any body of water
that isn't contained by concrete. Not too many hunters live in the city, nor do too many of them concern themselves with how the other 90% of America
live, or support themselves and others. The old 'head in the sand' scenario.. As I speak for myself, I know that the majority of America is disgruntled
with the direction our so called leaders are pointing us to. I'm very afraid that a re-alignment may be forming, and this catalyst will divide us. So be it..
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Nosmo on January 16, 2013, 10:01:41 am
Thank you for explaining that. I am trying to understand this situation and did not mean to insult anyone. We do not get the insight from the media here, only the sensationalism.

And that right there is a LARGE part of our problem.  The "media" in the U.S. acts as a mouthpiece for the liberal section that does not give a fig for accuracy in reporting.  The whole mission is to create sensationalism to keep churning the issues for "discussion", which means argument. Almost everything you hear/read about firearms, and the posession and use thereof, on television and newspapers, is inaccurate, misleading, just plain wrong.  Hollywood never gets it right.  Everything shown in movies and television is inaccurate.  The non-gun-owning people accept this as gospel and form their opinions based on inaccurate info.  Case in point:  An AR-15 IS NOT an "assault rifle", since it has no fully automatic function.  It just LOOKS like one.  And banning units solely because they have a pistol grip is just pandering to the uninformed who don't know what they are talking about.  They want to limit magazines to 10 rounds.  But they don't know that you can chamber a round, then "top-up" your magazine and have a total of 11 rounds in the pistol.  (Sshh...don't tell them.)  You'd be surprised how many people think semi-automatic means machine gun.  It does not.  Long before the general acceptance of the "AR" style weapons, there were semi-automatic rifles used for hunting.  And what about lever-action?  In the hands of an experienced person they are pretty darned fast.  The lever-action Henry repeater was the "assault rifle" of it's day, and the hand-cranked Gatling gun was supposed to make warfare obsolete.  The .223  cal AR is not legal for hunting in many areas due to it's power rating.  But you can use an auto loading BAR in .30-06, with much greater killing power and no one wants to ban those.  And in either case you may be limited in the number of rounds carried while hunting. 

Society needs a monster.  If we don't have one, we will invent one.  We NEED to have something to focus our anger at. It is much easier to focus that anger at things than at other people, although we do that too.  Today we are focusing our anger on firearms.  Tomorrow it will be something else that "they" want banned.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: devilboy on January 16, 2013, 10:14:26 am
I'm in Canada where we do have gun control laws and I am happy about that. We are allowed guns for hunting and for collecting under tightly controlled conditions. Yes, we have criminals with guns that don't have licences, but we also have police with automatic weapons that seem to keep that under control. If the general population underwent the same screening, training and qualification that the police do then I would be OK with them carrying, but not, as it appears in the US, when any jackass with a extra $200 can buy a gun and carry it in public just waiting for someone to **** him off.

I think that US gun laws are basically non-existent and many innocent people are dying that don't need to. Our gun laws aren't perfect, but everyone that wants to still gets to hunt and target shoot without taking pot shots at random citizens.

As an aside; why do you need assault rifles? Deer don't shoot back.

I disagree 100% with his  point of  view!!!   BUT WE  must defend his right to free speech above all! WE can not pick and choose which rights we accept and which we don't depending on his point of view  even  while being diametrically opposed .
and remember liberals like deer dont shoot back because they don't have guns.... ;D
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Nosmo on January 16, 2013, 10:19:40 am
When assault rocks are banned, only Cro-Magnon criminals will have rocks:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tactical-Assault-Rock-from-CroMagnum-Arms-International-CAI-NOW-IN-BLACK-/261154614856? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tactical-Assault-Rock-from-CroMagnum-Arms-International-CAI-NOW-IN-BLACK-/261154614856?)
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Pokey on January 16, 2013, 10:51:26 am
The 2nd Amendment wasn't put into place for hunting......end of story. And you can bet your butt that many AR platforms are in fact used for hunting, and no they are not assault rifles.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on January 16, 2013, 11:07:19 am
It's really simple. America has LOTS of guns.  You can't wish them away. "when you outlaw guns, only criminals will have guns".   It really is as simple as that.  When you make a gun free zone, law-abiding citizens are forced to not carry guns there.  But nut jobs and criminals don't care, so they walk into shooting gallery and shoot with impunity.

People always think that if you have concealed carry, it's like the Old West, shootouts on every corner, non stop death. Well, the vast majority of states have it and have for a while, do you hear about a lot of shootouts by concealed carrying folks. No, you only hear about nut jobs and gang bangers, neither of them follow laws so what good does a law do?


Think about it, what laws would have stopped Newton CT? 
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Conrad on January 16, 2013, 11:17:40 am
A VERY interesting video that covers this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w0o7YgiTFm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w0o7YgiTFm4)
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on January 16, 2013, 11:48:28 am
A VERY interesting video that covers this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w0o7YgiTFm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w0o7YgiTFm4)

 wow - don't miss this one. he really nailed it. Thanks for posting.  Steve
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: connie1 on January 16, 2013, 12:00:03 pm
In Canada we have misguided gun laws.  I say misguided because they are meant for the liberals to quote and feel safe, but as mentioned numerous times criminals don't adhere to laws.  Banning anything more than ten in a mag is silly, I could carry 10 mags and switch out without missing a beat. I have a rifle that was deemed 'prohibited' because it looks like an assault rifle, and it does look menacing,but that doesn't make it any more dangerous than a semi auto hunting 'shaped' rifle. (In Canada prohobited means I have to have it registered and when I tip over it has to be destroyed, I can't will it to my son)  They prohibited small concealable semi's (32's) to keep the gangers from carrying them but a small 45's are fine.  Many other laws were brought in to make the shooting sports jump through hoops but not actually make them illegal.  The laws are more of a make work project than anything... because they only affect the law abiding citizens.
I've always believed that concealed carry laws are the great equalizer in a society as it promotes cordiality amongst citizens.  You sure won't lip off or have road rage against someone that is on equal footing to you.  The weak and downtrodden have as much power in a disagreement when they could be packing.  You wouldn't worry about your mother living alone if she had some defense and the criminals knew it.  The liberals would argue that the whackjobs would be able to carry too, and yes they probably would, but they likely woudn't go around using it if they knew that everybody else is also packing.  It keeps the 'Ma'am and Sir' in day to day dealings.
I could go on and on about stupid attempts by governments to step on it's citizens by first removing guns from the populace.
Just my opinion of course.

Good luck to you my American friends.  You are the last bastion of 'freedom' on the planet. 
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: BruceR on January 16, 2013, 12:05:24 pm
If the general population underwent the same screening, training and qualification that the police do then I would be OK with them carrying, but not, as it appears in the US, when any jackass with a extra $200 can buy a gun and carry it in public just waiting for someone to **** him off.

I think that US gun laws are basically non-existent and many innocent people are dying that don't need to. Our gun laws aren't perfect, but everyone that wants to still gets to hunt and target shoot without taking pot shots at random citizens.

As an aside; why do you need assault rifles? Deer don't shoot back.

First off, not everyone who owns a gun is a jackass, and not everyone is allowed to carry, and MOST are not just waiting for some one to **** them off.  I don't mind ignorance, but dayum son!
I'd like to also inform you that there are currently over 2,000 gun laws on the books in the USA.  Hardly non-existent, and if the criminals break the laws to commit crimes, what good will another law do?
And...2nd amendment was never about hunting.  Again, I point out your ignorance.  Read our Constitution, find out why the second amanedment exists, and try to have an intelligent conversation on the subject.  You'd be surprised the power you have when you begin a debate with actual knowledge and facts on your side.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: tjpgi on January 16, 2013, 12:25:31 pm
Good luck to you my American friends.  You are the last bastion of 'freedom' on the planet

Thanks for your comments but our rights are on a major down slide with no end in sight. Now you can get fined just for being born and not buying government defined health insurance and our Supreme Court, with a conservative Justice, made it all constitutional. No the last bastion of freedom died with the last century. We are all doomed to one world government dictated "regulation nations".
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: basmntdweller on January 16, 2013, 12:47:13 pm
For the record, over 46 laws were broken in the sandy hook event if it actually went down as the authorities claim. I don't think any more would have made a bit of difference. 
I have carried much of my adult life. I have yet to get pissed off and shoot anyone. Actually only laid a hand on my gun once during an escalating situation but it calmed down without any serious problems.
I think we are very quickly headed towards revolution in this country.

I love my country but hate my effin government!
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: jonathan on January 16, 2013, 03:42:45 pm
First off, not everyone who owns a gun is a jackass, and not everyone is allowed to carry, and MOST are not just waiting for some one to **** them off.  I don't mind ignorance, but dayum son!
I'd like to also inform you that there are currently over 2,000 gun laws on the books in the USA.  Hardly non-existent, and if the criminals break the laws to commit crimes, what good will another law do?
And...2nd amendment was never about hunting.  Again, I point out your ignorance.  Read our Constitution, find out why the second amanedment exists, and try to have an intelligent conversation on the subject.  You'd be surprised the power you have when you begin a debate with actual knowledge and facts on your side.

I did not mean to imply that everyone that owned a gun was a jackass and I am learning a lot from this discussion.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: sherob on January 16, 2013, 03:59:15 pm
If you read the 2nd Amendment, and understand what it was meant to do, it was to insure that a Militia (common man) had the same power to protect themselves from government, both domestic and foreign.

At that time, a well armed Militia is what they had... rifles, pistols, swords, even cannon were the same between civilian and the Armed forces.  There weren't any differences.  Fast forward to today, and we have a huge difference between our civilian arms and what our military have access to. 

Now they are even taking it further...
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Cuda on January 16, 2013, 05:37:52 pm
The TRUTH of the mater is criminals and nuts who want to do mass killings don't care about ANY LAWS , most of the time they kill them selfs, so these LAWS only screw with honest law abiding people that would never do any thing anyway , so it drives me CRAZY when they say common sense won in NY .
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Nosmo on January 16, 2013, 06:22:52 pm
Some months ago I had a discussion with the wife of a good friend.  She just could not accept that some people have no respect for laws.  Her take is that if there is a law against something, then NO ONE will do it because people obey laws.  (Oh, yeah, then why do we have police?)   No amount of reasoning, statistics, argument or whatever would get her to accept the idea of "outlaws", people to whom laws mean nothing.  I asked her if she had ever exceeded the speed limit when driving and she said, "Well, sure, but that's different."  Yes different in degree, but still a disregard for the speed law.  She felt she was OK to do that, but I still couldn't convince her that there are people who feel the same way about laws against murder and assault.  I cannot understand her mindset.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: booger on January 16, 2013, 07:08:22 pm
Nope you got that wrong...POTUS wants us UNARMED.....train rides are next then a "shower"   

Serious....POTUS wants us unarmed...his long term goals are to extend the time a pres can hold office, disarm America, and become Kim Jong eel the 3rd , except to China this time

I totally agree with you Silvera.  I had always contended if Obama had not won this election, he wouldn't have stepped down.  This bastard wants to rule us, not be our POTUS
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: timsatx on January 16, 2013, 09:23:17 pm
One thing I think is funny is the NRA made the argument that Obama is being a hypocrite since his kids have armed guards at their school but yet he doesn't think others should have that luxury. Then Obama and his henchmen scream that they should leave the kids out of it and not use them as political folly. Then we come to today where they had all those school kids with him when he made his pathetic little speech.  :nuts:
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Nosmo on January 16, 2013, 09:49:30 pm
One thing I think is funny is the NRA made the argument that Obama is being a hypocrite since his kids have armed guards at their school but yet he doesn't think others should have that luxury. Then Obama and his henchmen scream that they should leave the kids out of it and not use them as political folly. Then we come to today where they had all those school kids with him when he made his pathetic little speech.  :nuts:

Politicians never miss an opportunity to exploit kids or other groups to their own advantage.  And you're right, "pathetic" is exactly what that was.  Just another double-speak, super-spin photo op.  It's OK for him and Rosie Fat-donell to have armed guards for their kids, but not you.  It's OK for him to exploit kids for his agenda, but not you.  Shame on their parents for letting/making them get involved in that.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Jay on January 17, 2013, 12:15:14 am
...nut jobs and gang bangers, neither of them follow laws so what good does a law do?

Think about it, what laws would have stopped Newton CT?


Good point & good question.
Is Executive Vice President and CEO of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre, right? Do we need to have armed personnel at all of our schools?

If Sandy Hook Elementary School Principal Dawn Hochsprung had a weapon, could she have stopped Adam Lanza from slaughtering those 20 little kids and their teachers? If the Teachers were armed, could they have stopped him? Could armed guards have prevented Adam Lanza from even entering the school in the first place?

(http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/dawn.jpg?w=300) 
Sandy Hook Elementary School Principal Dawn Hochsprung (killed)


(http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/nf-sandy-hook-victims-1217.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1)
Sandy Hook Elementary School Kids & Teachers who were shot to death in December 2012

I agree that armed guards in every school is the most immediate response, but it is not the only response.

The Second Amendment, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.", needs to be understood and respected by ALL citizens--those who are armed, and those who are not--before we can have a meaningful discussion about how to deal with the shooting of innocents in our country.

Name-calling, baseless accusations, and delusions only sink us all deeper into the quagmire of inaction. The NRA has some good points, but it also is stirring the pot rather than addressing the concerns of a lot of people in our society. Same can be said of our leaders in DC. On TV, on radio, in newspapers, and on the Web, many are fanning the flames of hysteria.

Were is the honest discussion, the facts & figures, the proper definitions of weapons, respect for the killed, concern for the ill, and justice? Were is the justice for those five & six-year-old kids who were gunned down 10 days before Christmas? Were is the justice for those two firefighters who were responding to a house fire in Webster when they were shot to death on Christmas Eve 2012? Were is the justice for those 12 people shot dead at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado in July 2012?

I believe that justice for these folks will come from us when we decide how to stop the shooting of innocents in public places in The United States.
Can "The Greatest Country on Earth" do that much for itself?
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: stewart on January 17, 2013, 04:39:38 am
Thanks Jay and others for having a discussion.

My personal view would not be respected it seems on the forum, so I'll plead the 5th.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Conrad on January 17, 2013, 04:39:56 am
Some months ago I had a discussion with the wife of a good friend.  She just could not accept that some people have no respect for laws.  Her take is that if there is a law against something, then NO ONE will do it because people obey laws.  (Oh, yeah, then why do we have police?)   No amount of reasoning, statistics, argument or whatever would get her to accept the idea of "outlaws", people to whom laws mean nothing.  I asked her if she had ever exceeded the speed limit when driving and she said, "Well, sure, but that's different."  Yes different in degree, but still a disregard for the speed law.  She felt she was OK to do that, but I still couldn't convince her that there are people who feel the same way about laws against murder and assault.  I cannot understand her mindset.

We all know that all those scumbags in our prison system are innocent right?    :o
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on January 17, 2013, 05:04:13 am
We all know that all those scumbags in our prison system are innocent right?    :o

  to this point - I was a corrections officer for 6 years a long time ago. Prison, not jail, big difference. I used that time to study personalities and traits. I'm not a psychologist, but I have a clue about how criminals and insane people think. I've actually been really considering doing a youtube video to try help people understand some of these issues. When you really "get it" you understand how Sandy Hook happened, and how banning the gun completely wouldn't have stopped it from happening. Steve
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: timsatx on January 17, 2013, 06:15:00 am
Thanks Jay and others for having a discussion.

My personal view would not be respected it seems on the forum, so I'll plead the 5th.

I think you are mistaken. Either that or you are using the wrong terminology. I think most folks will respect your views. They may not agree with it, but they would respect it. JMO
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: gPink on January 17, 2013, 06:22:37 am
I think you are mistaken. Either that or you are using the wrong terminology. I think most folks will respect your views. They may not agree with it, but they would respect it. JMO

What we don't respect is uneducated, ill informed, unsubstantiated attacks.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Necron99 on January 17, 2013, 06:38:47 am


Were is the honest discussion, the facts & figures, the proper definitions of weapons, respect for the killed, concern for the ill, and justice? Were is the justice for those five & six-year-old kids who were gunned down 10 days before Christmas? Were is the justice for those two firefighters who were responding to a house fire in Webster when they were shot to death on Christmas Eve 2012? Were is the justice for those 12 people shot dead at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado in July 2012?

I believe that justice for these folks will come from us when we decide how to stop the shooting of innocents in public places in The United States.
Can "The Greatest Country on Earth" do that much for itself?

Lost in the rush to protect future innocents is the fact that hundreds of people a day protect themselves with firearms.  Are we willing to take away their defense?  Do the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?  We need to look at ways to protect the few WITHOUT leaving naked the many.  Banning semi automatic rifles and limiting magazines are WORTHLESS in protecting people and HARMFUL to legitimate defenders.  It's feel-good legislation at its worst.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Strawboss on January 17, 2013, 11:26:23 am
Liberals legislate by emotions, and usually very quickly after a tragedy as you'll never see them move quicker any other time. "Never let a tragedy go unused", not sure who said it first, I heard it 20 years ago and it was pinned to Rahm Emanuel lately, not sure if its true. As I said in another thread. Using the death of innocent children to further a political agrenda to pass Draconian laws none of which would have prevented the tragedy in CT thoroughly disgusts me.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: tjpgi on January 17, 2013, 01:30:18 pm
The TRUTH of the mater is criminals and nuts who want to do mass killings don't care about ANY LAWS , most of the time they kill them selfs, so these LAWS only screw with honest law abiding people that would never do any thing anyway , so it drives me CRAZY when they say common sense won in NY .

Cuda where do you find these Avatars?? :o
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Jay on January 17, 2013, 01:53:09 pm
We need to look at ways to protect the few WITHOUT leaving naked the many.

That's a valid point. So, how do we do that?
How do we respect the rights of responsible gun-owning citizens while protecting the lives those who are unarmed?
Is there a balance that can exist?

1) Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter) stole his weapons from his mother, who legally purchased them.

2) William Spengler (Webster NY shooter) killed those Firefighters with weapons from Dawn M. Nguyen, who legally purchased them--except that she specifically purchased the rifle & shotgun for Spengler, a convicted felon, so it was technically illegal.

3) James Holmes (Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooter) "legally" bought his weapons, ammo, and ballistic wear on the internet.

These three nut-jobs found their way to deadly armament with the express intent of doing harm.
Now, how do we address that? What can we do as a society to keep unhinged scumbags from deadly weaponry?
THAT is what current events are focused on.
Again, Is there a balance that can exist?
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: gPink on January 17, 2013, 02:33:38 pm
Jay, an answer to your question 'What can we do as a society to keep unhinged scumbags from deadly weaponry?' would bring Peace on Earth and Goodwill to Men. Ain't gonna happen. Sorry.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Conrad on January 17, 2013, 02:58:33 pm
This guy is SPOT ON.

MrColionNoir: How to Stop MASS SHOOTINGS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3t7j2tUec#ws)

Great hat too.    :)
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on January 17, 2013, 03:01:49 pm
Jay - have you ever spent time with 

murderers? I have.

sociopaths? I have.

Psychopaths? I have.

Ever seen a psycotic break? I have.

If you understand how they work, you'll understand that you can NEVER balance the needs of society to protect us by denying  a person their ability to immediate defense.

Keep this in mind - these guys were seriously off the chain BUT they were intelligent and had the ability to plan and execute with devastating success.

When you get inside their heads, you might start understanding that disarming the population - in any amount - has ZERO effect on someone with a horrific plan.

 If we REALLY want protection, we must first identify the threat, which means understanding it. As long as the average person thinks people like the Sandy Hook murderer are just like us but "had a bad day" we, as a society, are never going to make any progress in defending ourselves from this type of evil insanity.

If you'll Just remember this, INSANE DOESN'T EQUAL STUPID  - that's a good starting point . Steve
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Outback_Jon on January 17, 2013, 04:43:25 pm
2) William Spengler (Webster NY shooter) killed those Firefighters with weapons from Dawn M. Nguyen, who legally purchased them--except that she specifically purchased the rifle & shotgun for Spengler, a convicted felon, so it was technically illegal.

That's not "technically illegal", it is explicitly illegal.

Here's the form (Form 4473) for purchasing a firearm:  http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf (http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf)

Quote
Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?
Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.
and
Quote
Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer:
For purposes of this form, you are the actual transferee/buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or otherwise acquiring the firearm for yourself (e.g., redeeming the firearm from pawn/retrieving it from consignment, firearm raffle winner). You are also the actual transferee/buyer if you are legitimately purchasing the firearm as a gift for a third party.  ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER EXAMPLES:  Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr.
Jones the money for the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer
“NO” to question 11.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown goes to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer “YES” to question 11.a. However, you may not transfer a firearm to any person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18 U.S.C.§922(g), (n), or (x).
Please note: EXCEPTION: If you are picking up a repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer
11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: gPink on January 17, 2013, 05:06:02 pm
Is 'technically illegal' like 'a little bit pregnant'?
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Jay on January 17, 2013, 07:09:26 pm
That's not "technically illegal", it is explicitly illegal.


tech·ni·cal·ly 
Adverb
According to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly: "technically, a nut is a single-seeded fruit"

And William Spengler was explicitly nuts!  ;)

Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Jay on January 17, 2013, 08:13:03 pm
Jay - have you ever spent time with 

murderers? I have.

sociopaths? I have.

Psychopaths? I have.

Ever seen a psycotic break? I have.

If you understand how they work, you'll understand that you can NEVER balance the needs of society to protect us by denying  a person their ability to immediate defense.

Keep this in mind - these guys were seriously off the chain BUT they were intelligent and had the ability to plan and execute with devastating success.

When you get inside their heads, you might start understanding that disarming the population - in any amount - has ZERO effect on someone with a horrific plan.

 If we REALLY want protection, we must first identify the threat, which means understanding it. As long as the average person thinks people like the Sandy Hook murderer are just like us but "had a bad day" we, as a society, are never going to make any progress in defending ourselves from this type of evil insanity.

If you'll Just remember this, INSANE DOESN'T EQUAL STUPID  - that's a good starting point . Steve

OK, insanity doesn't equal stupidity; never intended to equate the two.
However, shooting little kids in their classroom, sniping firefighters at a fire, slaughtering movie patrons in their seats, all equal "scumbag" in my opinion.

Yes, I have dealt with murderers, sociopaths, and psychopaths in my 20 years as a Paramedic in the Bay Area: Oakland, a shooting gallery; San Francisco, sociopath and psychopath central. I put in my time serving the public and don't care to be scolded.

Also didn't say or imply anything about denying anyone “their ability to immediate defense “ or "disarming the population."  And I certainly did not imply that Adam Lanza was "just like us but 'had a bad day.'" I am not speaking from ignorance or from absolutism.

Maybe this isn't the best forum for such a heated subject, but we all have this one thing in common: Motorcycles.
At least that's a small bit of shared ground...possibly too small to support such a heavy topic.

Could be there are no "solutions" at this time in history. Perhaps many more of us need to be trained and armed and in public places to balance the odds a bit more in the favor of the unarmed. Maybe that's the best we can do right now.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Snibbor on January 17, 2013, 08:22:58 pm
This guy is SPOT ON.

MrColionNoir: How to Stop MASS SHOOTINGS ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3t7j2tUec#ws[/url])

Great hat too.    :)


Seems so simple, doesn't it.  I kinda like this bit too.

The 2nd Amendment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50#)
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on January 17, 2013, 08:31:51 pm
OK, insanity doesn't equal stupidity; never intended to equate the two.
However, shooting little kids in their classroom, sniping firefighters at a fire, slaughtering movie patrons in their seats, all equal "scumbag" in my opinion.

Yes, I have dealt with murderers, sociopaths, and psychopaths in my 20 years as a Paramedic in the Bay Area: Oakland, a shooting gallery; San Francisco, sociopath and psychopath central. I put in my time serving the public and don't care to be scolded.

Also didn't say or imply anything about denying anyone “their ability to immediate defense “ or "disarming the population."  And I certainly did not imply that Adam Lanza was "just like us but 'had a bad day.'" I am not speaking from ignorance or from absolutism.

Maybe this isn't the best forum for such a heated subject, but we all have this one thing in common: Motorcycles.
At least that's a small bit of shared ground...possibly too small to support such a heavy topic.

Could be there are no "solutions" at this time in history. Perhaps many more of us need to be trained and armed and in public places to balance the odds a bit more in the favor of the unarmed. Maybe that's the best we can do right now.

Relax Jay, I wasn't scolding. And I asked if you "spent time" not "dealt with" I mean "spent time" as in "locked up". I had a chance to spend YEARS with the same individuals, to see how they think and live, day in day out. My response to you was generic in that everyone wants to know "what do we do" and I think understanding the demon in their head and heart is the place to start, not by disarming or limiting the ability of potential victims to defend themselves. Steve
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: OCK913 on January 17, 2013, 11:45:43 pm
This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking but are too cautious to express openly.   
 
I hope it never comes to what he is advocating but I can certainly see where the possibility exists.
 
God help us all if it ever does happen.
 
PS Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan, grew up in the Indiana, Illinois, and Texas, and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan. Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan. His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name "D.H. Garrison, Jr."
 
Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison
I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
 
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
 
Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
 
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
 
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
 
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.
 
I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
 
Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?
 
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
 
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
 
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
 
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
 
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
 
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much  in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
 
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
 
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
 
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority cannot take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
 
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
 
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
 
Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
 
I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
 
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
 
This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
 
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
 
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas and Patriotic Americans take **** off of no one, especially our own government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
 
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I cannot tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
 
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
 
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
 
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.
 
Are you willing to die to take my guns?

---------------------------------
 
 
 
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Walker18 on January 18, 2013, 06:38:14 am
Powerful read.. Can you believe that we all may actually be at this point? Not something that one can just reach for the remote and change
the channel on, though most of America will just do that, then cry foul when their version on 'rights' is infringed upon.. May God be with us all,
and may our Constitution weather through these difficult times. Shoulder to shoulder, true Americans can and will defend our countries freedom,
which brings up a vital question; what direction will our United States military branches back? Would they, or could they actually fire upon
honest Americans who are only defending our Constitution? Time will tell..
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: gPink on January 18, 2013, 07:20:40 am
H.R. 5122 (109th): John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007

 Section 1076 -
Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: wally_games on January 18, 2013, 04:44:10 pm
H.R. 5122 (109th): John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007

 Section 1076 -
Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.

Please help the ignorant here (me). Did this House bill pass? Was it also passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush? Just asking.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: sherob on January 18, 2013, 05:06:34 pm
Please help the ignorant here (me). Did this House bill pass? Was it also passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush? Just asking.

It became law... then they did this...

In 2008, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 struck much of the existing text in section 1076. That same section had been what Naomi Wolf talked about when she commented to Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!: "You don’t make it easier for the President to declare martial law, as we just did with the 2007 Defense Authorization Act."[3] The revised section of the law, section 1068 had one amended section had multiple parts with the same exact text. These sections (bolded to show the similar parts) read as follows:
`Sec. 333. Interference with State and Federal law
`The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other :means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it--
`(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States
within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, :privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and :the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that :right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
`(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes :the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have :denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.'.[4]
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: gPink on January 18, 2013, 05:32:15 pm
Oh that's so much better. I'm glad they cleared up any possible misunderstanding.
 
Thanks Rob.

Maybe ILL-inois will be their test grounds.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Pokey on January 18, 2013, 07:17:52 pm
Constitution is no longer worth the paper it is written on.
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Snibbor on January 20, 2013, 10:24:25 pm
If something like that happened, a line would be drawn within the military as well.  Some would obey, some would not. 
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: booger on January 21, 2013, 05:50:16 pm
This guy is SPOT ON.

Great hat too.    :)

Great video......But the hat is mediocre ;)
Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: Conrad on January 24, 2013, 08:16:59 am
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Title: Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
Post by: timsatx on January 24, 2013, 02:52:22 pm
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