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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 06:11:23 pm

Title: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 06:11:23 pm
 Dont know if i just have knack for finding the new or unheard of stuff but i came aross these and dont know if anyone else has heard of them or if my searching abilities on this site continues to suck

for 07-11

http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?item=518 (http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?item=518)

for 12-14

http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?item=515 (http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?item=515)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on January 24, 2014, 06:14:04 pm
Interesting that they are splitting years that way.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 06:28:15 pm
Interesting that they are splitting years that way.

i was thinking the same but just posted it as they have it
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 06:33:54 pm
the also have bag protectors for 12-14

http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?item=512 (http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?item=512)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 06:37:26 pm
if you order through fleabay they have free shipping....

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=t-rexstands&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xconcours&_nkw=concours&_sacat=0&_from=R40 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=t-rexstands&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xconcours&_nkw=concours&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

seriously thinking about these
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on January 24, 2014, 07:23:12 pm
Interesting that they are splitting years that way.

Probably just errors.  There is no such thing as a 2007 C14.  And 2010 though 2014 are identical.  I sent them an Email pointing out the errors on the three products that are all mislabeled (it is a pretty huge set of errors!!)

I have never seen these before.

Interesting- looks like McE is up for some competition now.  The rears are very similar to McE.  The front bars they are making look like they won't protect as well as the Canyon Cages because they are a two point instead of three point installation.  I would be greatly concerned that they could snap off the engine mount when hitting hard.

I could see this starting a long thread of discussion...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: RBX QB on January 24, 2014, 07:36:27 pm
...
Interesting- looks like McE is up for some competition now.  The rears are very similar to McE.  The front bars they are making look like they won't protect as well as the Canyon Cages because they are a two point instead of three point installation.  I would be greatly concerned that they could snap off the engine mount when hitting hard.
...

That.

And the CCs just look sexier.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 07:41:28 pm
Im concerned that the CC will get in the way of my new touring pegs or my legs while using them, these appear to set higher and should be clear. Plus they are $100+ cheaper. I am not really looking for complete protection, just as a slow slide or drop type situation i want to be able to ride it home.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on January 24, 2014, 07:45:31 pm
Im concerned that the CC will get in the way of my new touring pegs or my legs while using them,

That is a possibility, depending on where the pegs are located.

Quote
these appear to set higher and should be clear. Plus they are $100+ cheaper. I am not really looking for complete protection, just as a slow slide or drop type situation i want to be able to ride it home.

I completely understand.  But it will be a really, really bad day for you if you drop a little harder than you expect and break the engine mount.  That is a lot more serious than damaged plastics.  I am not quite sure HOW serious it will be... but I bet someone on the forum will tell us :)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 07:51:24 pm
That is a possibility, depending on where the pegs are located.


Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 24, 2014, 08:08:09 pm
I'm not sure I'd throw my business to a site that can't get the years and gens right on the Concours.  It's sloppy.  If they can't get that right what else isn't right?  But that's just me...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 08:11:55 pm
Probably just errors.  There is no such thing as a 2007 C14.  And 2010 though 2014 are identical.  I sent them an Email pointing out the errors on the three products that are all mislabeled (it is a pretty huge set of errors!!)



let us know what you hear from them
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 08:22:25 pm
I'm not sure I'd throw my business to a site that can't get the years and gens right on the Concours.  It's sloppy.  If they can't get that right what else isn't right?  But that's just me...

Just wonder if the engineers/designers made the mistake or the computer geek running thier site did. OR the extreemly hott office secretarty did: If thats the case she is completely forgiven.  :thumbs:

Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: manowarwi on January 24, 2014, 08:28:17 pm
I've never seen these before either, but I do have a set of T-Rex stands that I bought back when I was riding sport bikes their their build quality was excellent and their pricing was reasonable.  That being said, I'm still happy with my canyon cages and think they'll provide better protection in a tip over.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Pokey on January 24, 2014, 08:30:18 pm
Should probably fix the weeping oil on the manifold before doing anything else......just sayin of course.  ;)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 24, 2014, 08:45:48 pm
Should probably fix the weeping oil on the manifold before doing anything else......just sayin of course.  ;)

Previous owner told me to just start using the center stand.  :battle:
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: ZG on January 24, 2014, 08:50:59 pm
OR the extreemly hott office secretarty did:


Yummy, me like!  :P :thumbs: :chugbeer:
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on January 24, 2014, 09:00:05 pm
I'm not sure I'd throw my business to a site that can't get the years and gens right on the Concours.  It's sloppy.  If they can't get that right what else isn't right?  But that's just me...

I have to admit that it would scare the crap out of me too.  It is a critical thing to get wrong.  Let's see if they listen to my Email and at least fix it.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 24, 2014, 09:04:55 pm
If they are correct and there is an 07 C14, I'm going to be really pissed.  I thought I was an early adopter.  I'd be doubly pissed if I owned a '10 and found out it was really a gen1 bike (and paid more... :rotflmao: )  believing all that Kwakery about improved heat management and such...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on January 24, 2014, 09:22:42 pm
(comparison)

Here is a shot of the canyons from my bike at a SIMILAR crop.  Unfortunately, the bike is at a significantly different angle and on side stand, not center.  So you have to move it around some in your mind (I tried to overlay the two in GIMP, but they are just too different for it to work).  They would interfere with each other at full forward position.  Can't say about leg interference...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 25, 2014, 06:50:34 am
What I would really love is a set of Top Blocks,  but I just can't swing or justify the price
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Pokey on January 25, 2014, 11:33:37 am
Previous owner told me to just start using the center stand.  :battle:


Previous owner is a smart ass.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Rhino on January 25, 2014, 06:20:36 pm
Im concerned that the CC will get in the way of my new touring pegs or my legs while using them, these appear to set higher and should be clear. Plus they are $100+ cheaper. I am not really looking for complete protection, just as a slow slide or drop type situation i want to be able to ride it home.

The CC's make a great place to mound pegs.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: kwakrider on January 27, 2014, 12:19:40 am
If they are correct and there is an 07 C14, I'm going to be really pissed.  I thought I was an early adopter.  I'd be doubly pissed if I owned a '10 and found out it was really a gen1 bike (and paid more... :rotflmao: )  believing all that Kwakery about improved heat management and such...

100% correct! Mate of mine got his C14/GTR in September 2007. First one in SA if I'm not mistaken...thing is he's only put 15 000 km's on it so far...lol...just getting loose!  :)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on January 27, 2014, 05:41:07 am
100% correct! Mate of mine got his C14/GTR in September 2007.

That is still a 2008.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Conrad on January 27, 2014, 05:54:37 am

Yummy, me like!  :P :thumbs: :chugbeer:

 :P
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: kwakrider on January 28, 2014, 01:36:20 am
That is still a 2008.

That may be so, but it's registered as a 2007 model, not a 2008!!
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 28, 2014, 04:04:04 am
In the US it's considered an '08.  Outside the US, the laws must be different, eh?
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on January 28, 2014, 04:27:47 am
In the US it's considered an '08.  Outside the US, the laws must be different, eh?
I think it must be a time zone thing.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 28, 2014, 04:45:50 am
More like Twilight..
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on January 28, 2014, 04:55:43 am
http://youtu.be/NzlG28B-R8Y (http://youtu.be/NzlG28B-R8Y)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on January 28, 2014, 05:43:17 am
That may be so, but it's registered as a 2007 model, not a 2008!!

That is a quirk of your country.  They can call it anything they want, but it is a 2008 model.  Of course, I always thought the practice of releasing model years earlier and earlier and earlier was stupid and should be stopped.  Kinda like the Christmas "season" starting weeks and weeks earlier and earlier each decade.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: jonathan on January 28, 2014, 09:13:42 am
I can see myself hitting my shin on those.

(http://t-rex-racing.com/imgs/large/N62-7EG-2-web.jpg)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: kwakrider on January 29, 2014, 12:29:11 am
That is a quirk of your country.  They can call it anything they want, but it is a 2008 model.  Of course, I always thought the practice of releasing model years earlier and earlier and earlier was stupid and should be stopped.  Kinda like the Christmas "season" starting weeks and weeks earlier and earlier each decade.

Totally true that, my mate thought about trading his connie in on a new 2013 model, and just because it's registered as a 2007 model and not a 2008, the stealership wanted to knock off quite a substancial amount off....swines!! >:(  I agree, that practice should be stopped, but it wont unfortunately!
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Boomer on January 29, 2014, 05:04:15 am
Mine is a 2007.
The UK license plates (tags) have the year on them and mine is an 07.
Bought new on Aug 5 2007 and yes Kawasaki call it a 2008 model even if it was available in the USA & Europe late July 2007 and earlier in Japan.
I call mine a 2007 coz it riles certain people  ;D 8) and since I never plan on selling it who cares what the "value" is.

As for the frame sliders, all except the Kawasaki/TopBlock ones are fugly, and those are over-priced.
If you like them, good for you. Just let me know if yer planning on riding over here with them and I'll close my eyes. <LOL>
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2014, 05:20:02 am
Excellent....always good to piss off the locals, Boomer.  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on January 29, 2014, 05:21:44 am
As for the frame sliders, all except the Kawasaki/TopBlock ones are fugly, and those are over-priced.  If you like them, good for you. Just let me know if yer planning on riding over here with them and I'll close my eyes. <LOL>

We will make sure to close OUR eyes to avoid looking at YOUR bike after you drop it :)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: kwakrider on January 29, 2014, 11:22:38 pm
We will make sure to close OUR eyes to avoid looking at YOUR bike after you drop it :)

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on January 31, 2014, 03:30:31 pm
think im going to pass on these because I too think they will be in the way of my leg while useing my forward pegs
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 31, 2014, 04:02:18 pm
At least you are thinking ahead...and not invoking the law of unintended consequences.  We see that quite often here.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 04, 2014, 05:09:28 pm
Well, guess I'll find out soon if these are good or not.
Set I ordered are supposed to arrive tomorrow.

Price for the set was decent, and should work fine with my AST touring pegs.

Hopefully, won't ever have to put their strength to the test...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on February 05, 2014, 01:30:58 pm
Well, guess I'll find out soon if these are good or not.
Set I ordered are supposed to arrive tomorrow.

Price for the set was decent, and should work fine with my AST touring pegs.

Hopefully, won't ever have to put their strength to the test...

this is what i was concerned with. could you get me a picture of you sitting on the bike with  your feet on the touring pegs after you intstall these?
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 05, 2014, 03:36:24 pm
this is what i was concerned with. could you get me a picture of you sitting on the bike with  your feet on the touring pegs after you intstall these?

Sure thing. Will do.

They were supposed to have arrived today, but no show. No the expected delivery day has changed to "N/A".
There's been no update from Fedex since origination notice Monday morning.
So, I called Fedex, they said they haven't ever received them!
Sent a message to TRex asking why they haven't sent them yet...

They're coming from Dallas, so it's only about a 45 minute flight to Tulsa.

Oh well.........

Just tired of starring at the 4 walls and snow.


Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 07, 2014, 11:45:35 am
Update- Friday Feb 7th...

Today's finally supposed to be delivery day.

Only a few more hours................... ::)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 09, 2014, 09:59:20 pm
Ok, good news! The kit did arrive Friday.
Here's what I received...

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-18.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-18.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-19.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-19.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-21.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-21.jpg.html)

The engine guard block pieces look pretty beefy, and are solid pieces.

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-20.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-20.jpg.html)

While reading the instructions, I read this line that said "made in USA".
Then I found this sticker on the bubble wrapped parts...

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-17.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-17.jpg.html)

The bag guard sliders look pretty good, too.
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-22.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-22.jpg.html)

Then I realized they forgot to ship my front fork sliders!
So, after a call to TRex Racing, spoke with a guy named Oscar... He personally apologized for the oversight and rushed to the post office to mail the slider kit. Should be here tomorrow.
I asked him about the apparent contradiction about where it's made.
Seems most of it is made in Dallas, but some is made in Vietnam...? Hmmmnnn...

I also made him aware that they have the years all wrong on their site... I think he got it straight, finally, and said they'd make the correction.

That's all for now... More pics will be posted soon. Looks like the weather's finally going to warm up here by mid week, and next weekend's supposed to be in the mid 60's!
Gonna try to get the kit installed by then.
Bob


Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on February 09, 2014, 10:11:20 pm
I also made him aware that they have the years all wrong on their site... I think he got it straight, finally, and said they'd make the correction.


No corrections yet http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?category=32 (http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?category=32)
And they never even replied to my Email.  Perhaps hearing it multiple times will help, though.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on February 10, 2014, 04:11:47 am
Did I see any new bolts in the kit? If so check for correct sizing with a corresponding nut even if you have to go to the hardware store. Be sure and clean old thread locking compound from bolts  and holes. Test fit bolts before reassembly.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 10, 2014, 06:11:19 am
Yes, all new hardware comes with it.

M8x30, M8x60, M10x70, and nuts. Spacers...
No Locktite provided.

It also says, "Medium strength thread lock compound is required for use on the all bolts involved with the installation." (Direct quote, I didn't make this typo...)

The instructions say,"The bolts are made of the strongest grade 12.9".

Slider pucks are made of UHMW-PE... Solid.

"Aluminum threaded studs are made of aircraft grade aluminum alloy 6061-T6 and anodized using Japanese UV- resistant dies and treatment process."

Torque specs they provide-
"In general, they are 30-35 ft/lb for 10 mm bolts, 40-45 ft/lb 12 mm bolts."
Bolts attaching to the aluminum bar... 12ft/lb.

They also have a large paragraph disclaimer...

Pucks are all replaceable.
Email- customerservice@t-rex-racing.com.
Phone- 972-243-7868.

As mentioned before, I bought mine on Ebay, complete kit includes front engine guards, rear bag guards, and front axle sliders. $309.99, free expedited shipping Fedex.

You can also buy the sets separately.

Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 10, 2014, 06:19:51 am
Did I see any new bolts in the kit? If so check for correct sizing with a corresponding nut even if you have to go to the hardware store. Be sure and clean old thread locking compound from bolts  and holes. Test fit bolts before reassembly.


+1, gPink!
Instructions also stress to make the initial installation of all bolts finger tight at first.

They also have a line that says, "T-Rex Racing requires that this product to be installed by a certified technician."

Guess it's fortunate for me that I hold Master's Certification from ASE...?
Guessing that makes me "certified"...

(I always figured that card they gave me to carry in my wallet just meant I was "certifiable"...
Lol
 ;)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 10, 2014, 06:41:07 am
Many folks here are certifiable.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on February 10, 2014, 07:23:49 am
Many folks here are certifiable.
I didn't get my paperwork.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 10, 2014, 07:54:01 am
I didn't get my paperwork.

Maybe it's still being processed?

 ;).   ;D
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 10, 2014, 08:24:48 am
Here's a couple of picture diagrams of the assembled parts.
Front first-
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-25.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-25.jpg.html)

Then, the rear-
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-24.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-24.jpg.html)

Here's a close up of the engine slider block-
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-23.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-23.jpg.html)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on February 10, 2014, 10:47:59 am
Maybe it's still being processed?

 ;).   ;D
Until them I'm free-range.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 10, 2014, 01:17:56 pm
Started looking closer today at the kit, and decided to test fit a few parts.

Then, I noticed this.....

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-28.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-28.jpg.html)

Looks like they slipped a bit when they welded the insert...
Got some slag inside the thread.
So, looks like I get to buy and use an M8 tap now...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 10, 2014, 01:22:13 pm
Front sliders arrived today.

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-27.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-27.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-26.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-26.jpg.html)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 10, 2014, 02:50:55 pm
Now to fix those threads...
This required a M8x1.25 tap.
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-30.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-30.jpg.html)


Now those threads work properly.

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-29.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-29.jpg.html)

Just a small oversight on their part, but still should have been caught and repaired before it left the factory, IMHO.

No biggee, though. Hopefully, the rest is good, and everything lines up.

Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 11, 2014, 07:21:10 am
I loosely assembled the rear bag guard setup together, and measured the total width...
40" wide.

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/XJOK2PLAY/image-31.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/XJOK2PLAY/media/image-31.jpg.html)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 11, 2014, 09:01:07 am
Also,
They tell the metric size and length of the bolts, but not the thread count.
I had to figure that part out.
(Another small oversight, but important detail.)
 ???
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on February 11, 2014, 02:43:59 pm
Also,
They tell the metric size and length of the bolts, but not the thread count.
I had to figure that part out.
(Another small oversight, but important detail.)
 ???

make a note of it on here if you remember incase anyone else decided to go this route
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 11, 2014, 04:03:17 pm
I decided to weigh the total kit, including the front sliders.
18 lbs.

Anyone know what a full set of Canyon Cages w/front axle sliders weighs to compare?
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 11, 2014, 04:13:32 pm
Less than 16lbs according to the mailing label on the CC set for an 08/09.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on February 11, 2014, 04:20:10 pm
Less than 16lbs according to the mailing label on the CC set for an 08/09.
That doesn't include the dust from setting on shelf.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: ZG on February 11, 2014, 04:42:16 pm
That doesn't include the dust from setting on shelf.


 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 11, 2014, 07:19:55 pm
Less than 16lbs according to the mailing label on the CC set for an 08/09.

So, these are in the same ballpark, sounds like.

What I would like to figure out is someway to fasten the rear bars on securely, but in a quick release form. That way they could be removed quickly and easily if the bags come off.

'Cause, once these are bolted on, and the bags are removed...
Not only are they going to be like CC's, but they'll stick way out from the bike and could be a hazard!

Sort of like... Tip over protection that could cause you to tip over....  ???

Ya know... Like an oxymoron.....   :o

Lol... ;D

Hmmmnnn.... I might just need to run over to Fastenal tomorrow....

What do you guys think about that idea?
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on February 11, 2014, 07:25:07 pm
I would be afraid a quick disconnect would be a weak link.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 11, 2014, 07:34:08 pm

 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 >:( :battle:
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: ZG on February 11, 2014, 08:33:01 pm
>:( :battle:


 ;D :chugbeer:
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on February 11, 2014, 11:23:18 pm
What I would like to figure out is someway to fasten the rear bars on securely, but in a quick release form. That way they could be removed quickly and easily if the bags come off.

Solution- don't take the bags off :)  (Works for me, anyway)

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Cause, once these are bolted on, and the bags are removed...
Not only are they going to be like CC's, but they'll stick way out from the bike and could be a hazard!

I don't see why they would be much more of a hazard with or without the bags.  Perhaps they are less visible to a person walking around them.  Is that what you mean?  But they are less attractive than the MCE small rears, due to the thing that sticks out (perhaps slightly more functional, however).
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 12, 2014, 04:06:14 am
So, these are in the same ballpark, sounds like.

What I would like to figure out is someway to fasten the rear bars on securely, but in a quick release form. That way they could be removed quickly and easily if the bags come off.

'Cause, once these are bolted on, and the bags are removed...
Not only are they going to be like CC's, but they'll stick way out from the bike and could be a hazard!

Sort of like... Tip over protection that could cause you to tip over....  ???

Ya know... Like an oxymoron.....   :o

Lol... ;D

Hmmmnnn.... I might just need to run over to Fastenal tomorrow....

What do you guys think about that idea?

Without the bags, the rear guards look quite fugly.  I've had them on at least a couple of years now and have never run into them with the bags on or off.  The only time I run them sans bags is when I'm taking it to the shop as I try to minimize potential damage.  They really don't take that long to take off.  The right side takes a tad longer as I have to remove the exhaust first.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Conrad on February 12, 2014, 04:41:05 am
Less than 16lbs according to the mailing label on the CC set for an 08/09.

That 16lb box that's been sitting on your garage shelf (for what, a year now?) doesn't include the rear CCs since you already have those on the bike right?



I decided to weigh the total kit, including the front sliders.
18 lbs.

Anyone know what a full set of Canyon Cages w/front axle sliders weighs to compare?

MCE doesn't make front sliders.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 12, 2014, 05:23:52 am
Actually it only seems a few days, C, in VJ time.  Think Ent.  You would be correct in that this is only the CC for the front.  Don't know how much they weigh in the rear.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 12, 2014, 06:27:04 am
First, I have a rather unique situation...
I live in an apartment, and I'm allowed to keep my bike parked on my covered front porch.
I have a small ramp I use to transition the 6" rise.
It requires the bike sort of makes a left hand turn as it parks.
The space between support posts is about 5'.
It's the ONLY time I remove the bags, and I do it just to make sure I don't accidentally scuff them up.
With these guards on permanently, it may present a new challenge for me.

Plus, how ridiculous bag guards look when the bags are removed has been one of the biggest complaints most have said, not to mention just HOW fugly they are... I totally agree!  :P

If there was a way to make the guards easy and fast to remove when the bags come off would solve that issue. Removing 6 bolts, 4 of which are from the backside, is neither quick, or easy. But, any form of quick release fastener would ABSOLUTELY have to be configured securely... and at this point I don't know how one accomplishes that...yet. But I'm going to at least investigate possibilities.
If there's some type of fastener on the market that would fit the bill, then Fastenal probably will have it.

As to the weight comparison, Virginia Jim...
If the number you gave is for just the fronts, no rears, no front axel sliders... Then this kit is going to be much lighter than a CC setup.

Regardless, adding 18 lbs. is still a substantial weight gain...
(Looks like there may be a future carbon fiber slip-on in my future, just to break even! Lol)






Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: stevewfl on February 12, 2014, 12:09:06 pm
Just thrash your C14s like a rented mule, enjoy. 

"Race" and an added 16 pounds of fat don't belong in the same sentence anyway (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: stevewfl on February 12, 2014, 12:10:20 pm
I'm not sure I'd throw my business to a site that can't get the years and gens right on the Concours.  It's sloppy.  If they can't get that right what else isn't right?  But that's just me...


+1

but but but.....  its a "Race" product (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 12, 2014, 07:19:01 pm
Just thrash your C14s like a rented mule, enjoy. 

"Race" and an added 16 pounds of fat don't belong in the same sentence anyway ([url]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif[/url])


Ya know, up until last fall that was my attitude.
While on a weekend trip to Eureka Springs, got up on a crisp Saturday morn with my buddies, pulled away from the motel for a full day of carving great twisties, went into a curve about a quarter mile away doing about 30 mph, cold tires.... and the front wheel slipped out on something loose in the road I didn't even see!
 I didn't go down, but it was close!

Since then, it got me thinking how much damage the bike would've seen if I'd gone down, and just how quickly it can happen, even with as many miles logged as I have.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 12, 2014, 07:40:17 pm
Weather warmed up a little today, so I managed to get the sliders installed on the front fork and look closer at the attachment points on the bike.

Fork sliders took 5 minutes, and were pretty self-explanitory.
Long bolt goes through one washer, slider, bushing... Then through the hollow axel on the bike to the other side, then another bushing, slider, washer, and the nut. The nut has a plastic bushing insert, so it stays on, yet is easily removed for wheel removal, etc.

The sliders measure 2" long.

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Planning on installing the rest by the weekend. Weatherman says mid-60's this weekend!
Woohoo! ;D

The engine guards may be a challenge on mine, since I have AST touring pegs, and it's bracket is under one attachment bolt on each side, and my Rostra module mounting bracket is under another one on the left side...

But, one thing about it...
This project will prove whether or not it can be added with those accessories already in place or not, and answer that question.

Looking at it today, I believe it will work fine.
(He says with his fingers crossed...)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 13, 2014, 07:22:06 am
Since then, it got me thinking how much damage the bike would've seen if I'd gone down, and just how quickly it can happen, even with as many miles logged as I have.

Grasshopper is learning...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on February 13, 2014, 05:20:52 pm
My original thought was just to get the frame slider wasn't really thinking about the bag protector. My thoughts were if i go down i just want to be able to ride it home, nothing more. I just think the bag protectors are gawg awful ugly sticking out. Might convince myself other wise but i doubt it ..lol
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: stevewfl on February 13, 2014, 05:52:04 pm
Ya know, up until last fall that was my attitude.
While on a weekend trip to Eureka Springs, got up on a crisp Saturday morn with my buddies, pulled away from the motel for a full day of carving great twisties, went into a curve about a quarter mile away doing about 30 mph, cold tires.... and the front wheel slipped out on something loose in the road I didn't even see!
 I didn't go down, but it was close!

Since then, it got me thinking how much damage the bike would've seen if I'd gone down, and just how quickly it can happen, even with as many miles logged as I have.


I still have that attitude. Folks suggested when i purchased my bike to get radiator guards, rails, pin my bags so they won't fall off, front fender flap, headlight protector, and all sorts of stuff I can't think of.  Anyway, I didn;t do any of those things.  I told everyone I'll keep my KIPASS FOB BATTERY FRESH!

I've ran my bike >83,000 miles without issue in all sorts of extreme heat, cold, and terrain. Now 4 years later and high miles my bike isn't worth much.   If it gets messed up now due to protection, I'll simply part it out on the fleabay!  ;D

My bike has survived all this and tons more without the first hint of aftermarket protection:

Infinitely long GRAVEL roads wOOt

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Sand

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Rocky roads

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And just good times in plain nasty chance "ice on bridges" conditions =)

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Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on February 13, 2014, 06:52:03 pm
My original thought was just to get the frame slider wasn't really thinking about the bag protector. My thoughts were if i go down i just want to be able to ride it home, nothing more. I just think the bag protectors are gawg awful ugly sticking out. Might convince myself other wise but i doubt it ..lol

My thoughts about this...
First, seldom do I ride w/o the bags. I'm thinkin' not only are they great for extra storage, carrying tools, etc... But... They probably could save your leg if you laid it over by preventing that 700 + lb. bike from laying down on it and smashing it into the asphalt.
Guards just help more.
Yes, w/o bags...I totally agree how ugly they look.

Second, replacement bags and paint is not cheap.

But hey... Everybody's different, and ymmv, as they say.
Personally, I hate adding the weight, but... I still gotta make several more payments... Lol
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on February 21, 2014, 05:05:07 pm
No corrections yet [url]http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?category=32[/url] ([url]http://t-rex-racing.com/catalog.php?category=32[/url])
And they never even replied to my Email.  Perhaps hearing it multiple times will help, though.


Today I FINALLY got an Email from them ("Oscar") saying they fixed the problems on their site with the Concours years.  Yep, fixed!
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 21, 2014, 07:40:26 pm
 :thumbs: about time..
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on February 21, 2014, 08:57:53 pm
Any updates on the install?
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Conrad on February 22, 2014, 05:56:25 am
Today I FINALLY got an Email from them ("Oscar") saying they fixed the problems on their site with the Concours years.  Yep, fixed!

Oh thank goodness! I'll be able to sleep so much better tonight.    ;)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 22, 2014, 09:10:23 am
Excellent news for you, C!
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: 2talltim on February 23, 2014, 06:34:31 pm


Planning on installing the rest by the weekend. Weatherman says mid-60's this weekend!
Woohoo! ;D

The engine guards may be a challenge on mine, since I have AST touring pegs, and it's bracket is under one attachment bolt on each side, and my Rostra module mounting bracket is under another one on the left side...

But, one thing about it...
This project will prove whether or not it can be added with those accessories already in place or not, and answer that question.

Looking at it today, I believe it will work fine.
(He says with his fingers crossed...)


????
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on March 17, 2014, 10:28:20 am
Any updates on the install?
Hi again, to all...

So sorry for the delay in this thread!
The weather here turned pretty ugly for a while, and then I came down sick with the flu.

Good news is, the weather's now better, and so am I.
I'll be posting more soon.
Bob
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on April 02, 2014, 08:29:46 am
Update:

Well, I managed to get the entire kit installed finally!

However, while riding 2 up this past weekend, a design flaw with the rear bag guards reared it's ugly head. It confirmed my fears.

After getting the rear's installed, and looking underneath at them, I noticed they actually wind up over the top of the 2 upper swingarm braces.

Now, unloaded and on the centerstand, they are about 5" above them. But, it did make me wonder if there would be a suspension clash, once the suspension is compressed with weight, and working up and down.

Turns out, they do collide!
They clear fine if only riding solo, but not 2up.
Once we felt the rear bottoming out, I stopped and adjusted the rear preload.
But, it did not help.
I now have some small rub places on the bikes swingarm braces.

So, I have notified them of the design flaw, and they have agreed to refund the money, and will start immediately to redesign them. Once they have the problem resolved, they'll send me out a new set.
I sent them pics of the situation, and the paint damage to my suspension parts.

So... For now, I'm removing the bag guards, and waiting to get my next revised set.

I'll update with pics once I get the next set installed.

I will add, they took the news very well, showed good concern, promptly responded to me once they received my email and pics, promptly offered a refund, and got to work to correct the issue.
Can't ask more than that from any company, IMHO.

Stay tuned... More to follow.
Bob
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 02, 2014, 10:00:04 am
SOOOOOOOO.....
how's about sharing those pictures of there design flaw with us, so's we can figger stuff also....
Having installed a trailer hitch to my beast, it raises even more issues if I desired these, as the hitch mounts to common hard points also... making it a real chore...(I had to completely cut the hitch I bought apart, and re-weld all the tabs back on, and repaint it to make it work because the manufacturers didn't even come close to making a consistent welding jig for the model I bought.)...
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 enquiring minds like to ponder pre-purchase... ;)
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on April 02, 2014, 08:43:40 pm
Ok, Man of Blues... since you asked, yee shall receive!


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Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on April 02, 2014, 08:59:14 pm
The other issues I brought up to them included;

1) The flat brace bracket that the rear guards are welded to is too thin and flimsy.
2) The size of the piping is too small (1/2"). Aren't Canyon Cage rear hoops made out of 1"?

My fear is, if I should go down while moving forward, they're too weak, and will fold up into the bags, causing more damage than without them.

3) why is the "Concours 14" lettering running downhill on the front pucks instead of following the lines of the bike, and why are they shaped so strangely? Makes no sense to me.
He told me that was the only way they could squeeze the wording on there, due to space...
I told him it looked not only stupid, but totally inappropriate, and would only draw negative attention to his product.

While the front setup is very strong, and I believe will do the job in a crash, they look pretty ugly, IMHO. They sure aren't TopBlocks, by any means... But Top Block's problem is too expensive for an incomplete kit, for me. And the thought of spending $550 for their fronts, and $200 more for Canyon Cage rears didn't appeal to me at all. Shoot, for $750 you might as well ride naked and fix the damage! They're nuts! There is a limit to what you can spend for a protection kit, before it becomes just stupid...

But, when I found out Saturday, while riding 2up with stuff in the bags, that they won't clear in the rear... Well...that just sucks! Then to find damage to the finish?
I asked how they could have overlooked something like this?
He said, "We only had the donor bike for a short time."

Does anyone know if those rear top braces on the C14 are painted silver, or powder coated?
To me, it looks like they're painted and I can see some primer showing from underneath... but not for sure...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on April 02, 2014, 09:13:28 pm
Ok, Man of Blues... since you asked, yee shall receive!

Yeesh- that is amazing they missed that.  I am glad I got the good pricing on the McE Canyons.  They really did take the time to do it right.

At least it sounds like they are really working with you, wish is good to hear.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on April 02, 2014, 09:22:02 pm
Yes, they were good about the call, offered me a refund for the rears, and said they'd get right on a redesign...and should have it in a couple of weeks.
They will then send me version 2...

Stay tuned... by the time this is over, I'll be wishing I'd got a good deal on CC's, too I bet!
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Conrad on April 03, 2014, 04:44:58 am
Yes, they were good about the call, offered me a refund for the rears, and said they'd get right on a redesign...and should have it in a couple of weeks.
They will then send me version 2...

Stay tuned... by the time this is over, I'll be wishing I'd got a good deal on CC's, too I bet!

What's the price difference between the MCE CCs (including the rear set) and the T-Rex version?
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: gPink on April 03, 2014, 04:55:25 am
What's the price difference between the MCE CCs (including the rear set) and the T-Rex version?
The bigger question is 'Will they fit on the shelf?'.

I think they are even uglier than the gen 1 Canyon Cages.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Conrad on April 03, 2014, 05:27:59 am
The bigger question is 'Will they fit on the shelf?'.

 :rotflmao:

I think they are even uglier than the gen 1 Canyon Cages.

+1! Sorry but those things are hideous!
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 03, 2014, 06:18:27 am
:rotflmao:

+1! Sorry but those things are hideous!

Hmmm, and what makes you laugh so?
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: ZG on April 03, 2014, 07:17:19 am
The bigger question is 'Will they fit on the shelf?'.


 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Conniesaki on April 03, 2014, 09:07:33 am
Hate to say, but it appears that instead of doing R & D on their dime they decided to use an actual customer as their guinea pig. A sort of 'Ask for forgiveness later rather than permission ahead of time' dealio.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: Conrad on April 03, 2014, 09:51:35 am
Hmmm, and what makes you laugh so?

I think that you know...
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 03, 2014, 11:25:45 am
Ok, Man of Blues... since you asked, yee shall receive!



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thanks,
 that was what I wanted to see.
The points the guards mount to are already occupied by my trailer hitch, so that counts them off my list....

 :-[
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on April 03, 2014, 07:31:24 pm
Man OF Blues,
Yes, I noticed that in your pictures.
The problem is, there's a lack of frame member other than where the peg mounts are on these bikes.
Not a lot of options.

Seems like that's been an issue for everything I've added!
Not much additional space... anywhere.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on April 03, 2014, 07:32:37 pm
Hate to say, but it appears that instead of doing R & D on their dime they decided to use an actual customer as their guinea pig. A sort of 'Ask for forgiveness later rather than permission ahead of time' dealio.

Yes, I totally agree. +1
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: C14lvr on April 03, 2014, 07:39:27 pm
They did give me a call today, refunded $159 back to my PayPal acct.
Done deal.

I'm now on the waiting list for their next improved batch.

When I bought these and started this thread, I had high hopes that these would be cool, especially for the price... which was $309 on Ebay. Front fork sliders, front guards, bag guards.

But... So far... Looks kinda grim for me to recommend them.
Like some have said, they're hideous without the bags on.
But I never ride w/o my bags, so it wasn't an issue.

Oh well, live and learn, I guess.
Title: Re: T-Rex Racing Frame Sliders
Post by: maxtog on April 03, 2014, 10:05:30 pm
Like some have said, they're hideous without the bags on. But I never ride w/o my bags, so it wasn't an issue.

The McE rears are not all that much less hideous without the bags on.  But why take them off??  Problem solved.