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Title: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on June 24, 2011, 07:33:19 pm
Not sure if this has been posted yet from the old site.  This was very helpful for me and will hopefully help someone else.  The difference in handling from the stock setup was drastic.......in a good way!
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: wildnphx on June 24, 2011, 07:40:00 pm
Looks good except does it take into consideration your weight?  or for two up your passenger weight?
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Gsun on June 24, 2011, 09:38:03 pm
It has a couple of two up settings. Would like to know the rider weight that this is based on.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Boonedawg on June 25, 2011, 06:00:52 am
I'm at 250 lbs. solo, any suggestions? (other than loose 60 lbs.) ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: curly on June 25, 2011, 06:27:48 am
According to the owner's manual you need to loose 100lbs :o
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Barry on June 25, 2011, 07:24:17 am
It has a couple of two up settings. Would like to know the rider weight that this is based on.

Yes.  For one up and two up....
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conrad on June 25, 2011, 07:33:28 am
Looks good except does it take into consideration your weight?  or for two up your passenger weight?

It has a couple of two up settings. Would like to know the rider weight that this is based on.

I could be wrong (I thought I was once) but since it says 'Standard 150lbs' twice in the chart and in the owner's manual they base the settings on a 150lb rider. I'd say it's based on a 150lb rider.   ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Gsun on June 25, 2011, 09:00:44 am
It would seem I can't read very well! I guess it would be a 150lb. passenger as well.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: rcannon409 on June 25, 2011, 09:09:12 am
I notice a year is not specified.  The 08/09 forks work much better with the  higher oil level from the 10/11 machines, btu I wonder if the settings on this chart still cross over? I suspect they will since the higher oil level typically effects bottoming resistance.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Barry on June 25, 2011, 09:15:20 am
I could be wrong (I thought I was once) but since it says 'Standard 150lbs' twice in the chart and in the owner's manual they base the settings on a 150lb rider. I'd say it's based on a 150lb rider.   ;)

Yes... but it also says something like "deals gap setting ", some track settings, and "Mike Brown's settings".  My guess ( and I was wrong once too ) is that there is NON-OEM info in the PDF.  Just a guess.

The rider(s) that compiled that data may not weigh 150 lbs.

Barry
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: ZG on June 25, 2011, 09:27:58 am
I'm at 250 lbs. solo, any suggestions? (other than loose 60 lbs.) ;)

That would be just losing the potato launcher...  ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: IRULE on June 26, 2011, 10:57:14 am
This is very helpful.  Thanks.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on June 26, 2011, 12:23:52 pm
     Some of the old timers can probably remember who came up with this chart.  It seems like the guy said he was around 185.  I'm thinking if you're a little heavier, it would mostly be just a preload adjustment. (?)  Folks with more knowledge feel free to share please!

     For me, I really noticed a difference on bumpy curves; it now is much easier to hold the line, but you do lose a little comfort in the process.  Good luck and happy riding folks. ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: mikeboileau on June 26, 2011, 04:14:05 pm
150 lb rider........I wish!
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Gsun on June 26, 2011, 06:49:15 pm
150 lb rider........I wish!
Me too. I'd have to gain 10 lbs.!
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: mikeboileau on June 26, 2011, 07:02:29 pm
Me too. I'd have to gain 10 lbs.!

I would have to stop growing at 13.

 :yikes:
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: ZG on June 26, 2011, 07:07:13 pm
I'm a buck sixty with a really big chew in and the C14 feels like I'm riding a clydesdale, but the suspension is perfect!  :thumbs: ;D
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: gonzosc1 on June 27, 2011, 01:58:47 pm
highly recommend the zip tie on the fork trick and you will know 100% much suspension you are using on the forks.

everything else is all about your weight, riding style,   

http://www.gostar-racing.com/club/motorcycle_suspension_set-up.htm (http://www.gostar-racing.com/club/motorcycle_suspension_set-up.htm)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Burbs on June 27, 2011, 03:36:17 pm
Thanks for posting that up.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: rcannon409 on June 27, 2011, 04:15:22 pm
I'm at 250 lbs. solo, any suggestions? (other than loose 60 lbs.) ;)

I've got it.....gain 50lbs and use the two-up settings.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: mikeboileau on June 27, 2011, 04:34:36 pm
I've got it.....gain 50lbs and use the two-up settings.

That's the settings I use.....
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Irish-14 on June 27, 2011, 04:58:19 pm
I understand these are Japanese bikes, and they tend to be a tad lighter than we are, but 150lbs? As a mature, adult male, the only way you should weigh 150lbs is if you have a tumor, or are 5'7" or less. I would suggest 180-200lbs would be the average for a male riding a 688lb bike in our fantastic country. I didn't include women, because it would hurt my fragile ego to see a female riding the bike that I treasure so...sexist? yes. Honest? yes. Go Irish!
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: mikeboileau on June 27, 2011, 08:08:35 pm
I understand these are Japanese bikes, and they tend to be a tad lighter than we are, but 150lbs? As a mature, adult male, the only way you should weigh 150lbs is if you have a tumor, or are 5'7" or less. I would suggest 180-200lbs would be the average for a male riding a 688lb bike in our fantastic country. I didn't include women, because it would hurt my fragile ego to see a female riding the bike that I treasure so...sexist? yes. Honest? yes. Go Irish!

 :goodpost:
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 28, 2011, 04:01:19 am
     Some of the old timers can probably remember who came up with this chart.  It seems like the guy said he was around 185.  I'm thinking if you're a little heavier, it would mostly be just a preload adjustment. (?)  Folks with more knowledge feel free to share please!

     For me, I really noticed a difference on bumpy curves; it now is much easier to hold the line, but you do lose a little comfort in the process.  Good luck and happy riding folks. ;)

It was Dan from Richmond, Va I believe.  I've used them and have had pretty good results.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on June 28, 2011, 08:21:29 am
It was Dan from Richmond, Va I believe.  I've used them and have had pretty good results.

Thank you oh chivalrous one!  
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: mikeboileau on June 28, 2011, 08:37:38 am
 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: martin_14 on June 28, 2011, 10:35:40 am
Not sure if this has been posted yet from the old site.  This was very helpful for me and will hopefully help someone else.  The difference in handling from the stock setup was drastic.......in a good way!

at some point in the past forum I printed out this doc but never got around the issue and my suspension settings are what I got from the day I bought the bike.
Could somebody explain what the clicks are, and how do you read it? Please make it dumb-proof, plain dictionary-available English...  ;D
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 28, 2011, 11:10:59 am
As you turn the adjusters you will feel them 'detent' (not to be confused with Detente).  In other words, you'll feel it more than hear it.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on June 28, 2011, 12:04:03 pm
at some point in the past forum I printed out this doc but never got around the issue and my suspension settings are what I got from the day I bought the bike.
Could somebody explain what the clicks are, and how do you read it? Please make it dumb-proof, plain dictionary-available English...  ;D

And if your not sure you felt or heard a click, turn it the opposite direction to confirm(it's alot easier to feel and hear for some reason).
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: mikeboileau on June 28, 2011, 01:40:38 pm
Did anyone ever post a chart on this?
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conrad on June 28, 2011, 01:44:13 pm
Did anyone ever post a chart on this?

See the first post
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: mikeboileau on June 28, 2011, 01:47:10 pm
See the first post

Thank you!
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: martin_14 on June 28, 2011, 11:56:38 pm
As you turn the adjusters you will feel them 'detent' (not to be confused with Detente).  In other words, you'll feel it more than hear it.

Thanks Jim!
now more questions:
1. Front forks - spring preload: when it says "14 mm from all the way out", what do the mm mean?
2. Rear shock - spring preload: when it says "6 clicks from all the way in", it means that first I have to rotate it clockwise (in) all the way, and then rotate 6 clicks counterclockwise (out?
3. Rear shock - rebound damping: when it says "1 turn", it means 180° or 360°?
4. last but not least: what is the sag?
Please, if you think that I am an utter ignorant in these things and need to be babied... you're right!  :-[
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: stevewfl on June 29, 2011, 12:00:52 am
Suspension is where its at.

If you're even the least uncomfortable your local track tuner will hook you up for 30-50 bux and its the best mod you can do as far as real performance (beyond holding a throttle wide open and going straight) (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conrad on June 29, 2011, 05:34:26 am
Thanks Jim!
now more questions:
1. Front forks - spring preload: when it says "14 mm from all the way out", what do the mm mean?
2. Rear shock - spring preload: when it says "6 clicks from all the way in", it means that first I have to rotate it clockwise (in) all the way, and then rotate 6 clicks counterclockwise (out?
3. Rear shock - rebound damping: when it says "1 turn", it means 180° or 360°?
4. last but not least: what is the sag?
Please, if you think that I am an utter ignorant in these things and need to be babied... you're right!  :-[

mm is from that new fangled measurement system, perhaps you've heard of it? The metric system?  ;)

mm = millimeters
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 29, 2011, 05:47:58 am
Rear shock rebound damping - 1 turn....

One turn is turning the screw 360 degrees from start so if you mark a point on the screw and in relation to where it is in the housing and turn either way 360 degree you'll wind up at the same point again.  You can also relate it to minute positions on a clock.  A quarter turn would be 15, half turn 30, 3/4 turn 45, full turn 60.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 29, 2011, 05:59:40 am
Sag - Screen Actors Guild or what happens when you get older....

Oh, we're talking MC here...

Motorcycle Suspension - Setting Sag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK3flKxf41U#ws)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: martin_14 on June 29, 2011, 06:23:42 am
mm is from that new fangled measurement system, perhaps you've heard of it? The metric system?  ;)

mm = millimeters

Yeah, right, tell that NASA. They have been using it unofficially since the end of the eighties, and officially (finally!) since the '90s. Even the UK dropped that nonsense a long while ago.
I still find it amusing that you guys measure time in plain "seconds" and not something like "shiwanas"...  ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: rcannon409 on June 29, 2011, 08:24:48 pm
I think there may be some confusion on the fork side of the chart. The preload is specified in mm, but at the top of the column it is labeled (from all the way OUT).  Measuring from all the way out would  give  a different measurement that simply measuring how much preload is on the spring, relative to the fork cap, as the owners manual shows.

If you follow the wording in the chart, 16mm preload from "all the way out" would actually be more preload than the 11mm figure.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: att2008vn on June 30, 2011, 09:58:11 am
Hi,

Sorry for being off the main topic : anybody having an after-market shocks on '10-'11 Connie ??

Thanks

at
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: davidnixon on July 01, 2011, 12:02:50 pm
I think there may be some confusion on the fork side of the chart. The preload is specified in mm, but at the top of the column it is labeled (from all the way OUT).  Measuring from all the way out would  give  a different measurement that simply measuring how much preload is on the spring, relative to the fork cap, as the owners manual shows.

If you follow the wording in the chart, 16mm preload from "all the way out" would actually be more preload than the 11mm figure.


I agree with you RC - I think that the wording is screwy
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Fretka on July 01, 2011, 12:41:10 pm
Dis ain't rocket science pholks! There are simple well documented steps to setting suspension. Yes! you can do this yourself with 2 or 3 tools and one person helping you.

Would the board collectively like a how-to thread with those who know helping those who need?

Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conrad on July 02, 2011, 05:49:40 am
Dis ain't rocket science pholks! There are simple well documented steps to setting suspension. Yes! you can do this yourself with 2 or 3 tools and one person helping you.

Would the board collectively like a how-to thread with those who know helping those who need?

Yes
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Gsun on July 02, 2011, 10:25:01 am
Ditto.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Fearless on July 02, 2011, 03:30:55 pm
I posted this spread sheet a couple of years ago. I weigh 215 lbs loaded with gear and my wife is 130 LBS. I prefer my suspension a little more on the stiff side rather than soft. I actually went to a professional to have the sag and base dampening set up. The dampening settings are also set up for aggressive riding. A lot of trial and error went into fine tuning these settings, but you will probably want to make some minor adjustments depending on your weight.

Not sure if this has been posted yet from the old site.  This was very helpful for me and will hopefully help someone else.  The difference in handling from the stock setup was drastic.......in a good way!
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: rcannon409 on July 02, 2011, 04:30:12 pm
I've tried most of the settings on the spread sheet and the comments listed on it are spot on.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: wally_games on July 02, 2011, 05:10:14 pm
HELP!!

I was doing some adjusting on the rear preload to soften it up a tad. The spreadsheet is based on the number of clicks in, but the manual lists the "normal" settings on the number of clicks out. While trying to figure out how the two compared, the knob started to get very stiff and is now at the point that it will NOT turn by hand.

Don't want to force it, so do any of you have any suggestions on what I might have done? I guess it's a trip to the dealer for me next week.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on July 02, 2011, 08:41:51 pm
I posted this spread sheet a couple of years ago. I weigh 215 lbs loaded with gear and my wife is 130 LBS. I prefer my suspension a little more on the stiff side rather than soft. I actually went to a professional to have the sag and base dampening set up. The dampening settings are also set up for aggressive riding. A lot of trial and error went into fine tuning these settings, but you will probably want to make some minor adjustments depending on your weight.

Thank you for stopping by.  I'm about the same weight and I don't think the ride is really all that rough.  But the handling is so much better.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: gonzosc1 on July 03, 2011, 11:57:45 am
HELP!!

I was doing some adjusting on the rear preload to soften it up a tad. The spreadsheet is based on the number of clicks in, but the manual lists the "normal" settings on the number of clicks out. While trying to figure out how the two compared, the knob started to get very stiff and is now at the point that it will NOT turn by hand.

Don't want to force it, so do any of you have any suggestions on what I might have done? I guess it's a trip to the dealer for me next week.

is it hard to turn in both directions or just when tightening in??  I noticed on my bike that its gets harder to turn as I turn it inward. to help with this put it up on center stand to take weight off the rear suspension.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: wally_games on July 03, 2011, 12:44:33 pm
is it hard to turn in both directions or just when tightening in??  I noticed on my bike that its gets harder to turn as I turn it inward. to help with this put it up on center stand to take weight off the rear suspension.
It's locked up completely. Won't turn either direction. I think that it is about nine clicks out from all the way in.
Luckily that isn't too far off and I'll ride it into the shop and have them look at it this next week. It's still under warrantee.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Burbs on July 07, 2011, 07:01:35 pm
HELP!!

I was doing some adjusting on the rear preload to soften it up a tad. The spreadsheet is based on the number of clicks in, but the manual lists the "normal" settings on the number of clicks out. While trying to figure out how the two compared, the knob started to get very stiff and is now at the point that it will NOT turn by hand.

Don't want to force it, so do any of you have any suggestions on what I might have done? I guess it's a trip to the dealer for me next week.

UGH! My worst nigtmare! Let us know what you find out after you get it back from the shop. I'd be curious to see that caused that.

Good luck.

-Chris
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: wally_games on July 07, 2011, 08:06:45 pm
Swapped emails with the service department at Grapevine Kawasaki where I bought the bike. I was told that they've had instances where the biggest guy in their service department was barely able to turn the knob. Once they worked on it and got it to move, it continued to work fine. Evidently I'm not the only person to ever have this occur.

They told me to bring it by and they'll check it out. I'll be there noon tomorrow.

I asked what would happen if they can't turn it. They said they'd order another shock under warrantee and it would be there in about three business days.

Will keep you all posted.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conhardcore on July 08, 2011, 09:31:32 am
Swapped emails with the service department at Grapevine Kawasaki where I bought the bike. I was told that they've had instances where the biggest guy in their service department was barely able to turn the knob. Once they worked on it and got it to move, it continued to work fine. Evidently I'm not the only person to ever have this occur.

They told me to bring it by and they'll check it out. I'll be there noon tomorrow.

I asked what would happen if they can't turn it. They said they'd order another shock under warrantee and it would be there in about three business days.

Will keep you all posted.

Please do.  I bought my 11 Black C14 at Grapevine Kawasaki as well.  In fact just picked it up yesterday after it's initial 1K service.  Also had the Cee Bailey Euro WS, V&H CS1 can installed and had them remove the 2"Heli Bar risers.  Don't mean to disrupt the thread however.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: martin_14 on July 08, 2011, 09:33:02 am
Please do.  I bought my 11 Black C14 at Grapevine Kawasaki as well.  In fact just picked it up yesterday after it's initial 1K service.  Also had the Cee Bailey Euro WS, V&H CS1 can installed and had them remove the 2"Heli Bar risers.  Don't mean to disrupt the thread however.

I do. Please post pictures of that can!  ;D
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: MrPepsi on July 08, 2011, 10:11:12 am
Awesome. I love it, I printed it instantly.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: riverbound51 on July 08, 2011, 02:27:56 pm
Dis ain't rocket science pholks! There are simple well documented steps to setting suspension. Yes! you can do this yourself with 2 or 3 tools and one person helping you.

Would the board collectively like a how-to thread with those who know helping those who need?


 Thanks.  The chart is very helpful. 
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 09, 2011, 06:13:26 pm
I got a weird situation. I printed the chart and decided to try out one setting for two up. When I go to set my rear preload, I noticed I go not go all the way out from where it was currently on the bike. I thought from factory, they are set to 12 clicks from all the way out. It appears as if there was no preload at all! I could go in, like making it stiffer. Is this possible?! I did recently put muzzy's links, but did not mess with the preload. Would it cause the preload to zero our completely?

I set it to 20 clicks from all the way out. Feel a bit harsh with two up. On the front, do I have to wrench the nut all the way out before I start turning it in and measuring? Mine were at 10mm. I used the end of a dial caliper to measure and set them at 14mm.

I dunno...I was a bit surprised that my bike was at zero preload (could be a cause of muzzy installation) and 10mm on front all this time.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on July 10, 2011, 05:19:10 pm
I got a weird situation. I printed the chart and decided to try out one setting for two up. When I go to set my rear preload, I noticed I go not go all the way out from where it was currently on the bike. I thought from factory, they are set to 12 clicks from all the way out. It appears as if there was no preload at all! I could go in, like making it stiffer. Is this possible?! I did recently put muzzy's links, but did not mess with the preload. Would it cause the preload to zero our completely?


I set it to 20 clicks from all the way out. Feel a bit harsh with two up. On the front, do I have to wrench the nut all the way out before I start turning it in and measuring? Mine were at 10mm. I used the end of a dial caliper to measure and set them at 14mm.

I dunno...I was a bit surprised that my bike was at zero preload (could be a cause of muzzy installation) and 10mm on front all this time.

Not sure if I'm understanding you , but to me you're saying the rear preload backwards.  You should be starting from all the way out (counterclockwise) and turning in (clockwise) 20 clicks.  Is that what you're doing and I just wasn't tracking with you or did that clear it up?
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 10, 2011, 08:30:23 pm
Not sure if I'm understanding you , but to me you're saying the rear preload backwards.  You should be starting from all the way out (counterclockwise) and turning in (clockwise) 20 clicks.  Is that what you're doing and I just wasn't tracking with you or did that clear it up?

I started the rear preload from all the way out and turned clockwise for 20 clicks. But I was expecting it to be already at 12 clicks clockwise from all the way out since that is the factory setting. However, mine was completely all the way out - no clicks clockwise. Also, the dampner was not at 1 1/4 turn either. It was atleast 2 turns. It just concerned me that I was riding the bike like that for a bit, but it handled ok.

So, currently, I have used the following settings from the chart.

Front:
Pre-load: 14mm
Damping: 5 clicks counter clockwise from all the way in.

Rear:
Pre-load: 20 clicks clockwise from all the way out.
Dampning: 1 1/4 turns.

I am  210 lbs and wife is about 135 lbs. And yet this setting seems harsh to me. Before I finagle with it more, I want to make sure I am not doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on July 11, 2011, 09:08:40 am
That sounds right.  I guess I have grown accustomed to the ride.  I was wondering if this stiffer setting would cause the suspension to wear out sooner. (?)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 11, 2011, 09:18:31 am
How and what do you guys use to measure the pre-load on the front end? I am using the end of a dial caliper that sticks out (one that is used to measure depth) and then measure the extended end against an el-cheapo mm straight edge I have. I am not sure how much accuracy is of concern here.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Barry on July 11, 2011, 11:32:18 am
How and what do you guys use to measure the pre-load on the front end? I am using the end of a dial caliper that sticks out (one that is used to measure depth) and then measure the extended end against an el-cheapo mm straight edge I have. I am not sure how much accuracy is of concern here.

Are you measuring pre-load or sag ?

For pre-load, IIRC the adjuster has lines, and you can measure it with a straight edge marked in mm.  Sag is more difficult as you have static and dynamic sag to adjust and account for.



Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 11, 2011, 12:42:50 pm
Measuring pre-load
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Barry on July 11, 2011, 12:48:21 pm
Measuring pre-load

Ahhh... then you can measure by the lines exposed (say, you can see 4 of 10 lines - as an example) or go by mm exposed, or mm in from max.  Make sure you aren't comparing apples to oranges.

10mm exposed adjuster is NOT the same as 10mm in from full out.  Make sure the adjustment you are tying to reach is either measured from full in, or full out.  Sorry if that's confusing.

If whatever guide you are using says things such as "10mm out from full soft", or "10mm out from full firm", that's easy to follow.

Setting up your suspension will make you a much happier rider.  Trust me.

Good luck,
Barry
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 11, 2011, 12:59:29 pm
Ahhh... then you can measure by the lines exposed (say, you can see 4 of 10 lines - as an example) or go by mm exposed, or mm in from max.  Make sure you aren't comparing apples to oranges.

10mm exposed adjuster is NOT the same as 10mm in from full out.  Make sure the adjustment you are tying to reach is either measured from full in, or full out.  Sorry if that's confusing.

If whatever guide you are using says things such as "10mm out from full soft", or "10mm out from full firm", that's easy to follow.

Setting up your suspension will make you a much happier rider.  Trust me.

Good luck,
Barry

O o ! I might have been doing that wrong. I was measuring the exposed adjust from top of the nut where you put your wrench to the bottom of it as shown in the manual. I am confused now...can you explain to me how to measure from all the way in? I think the manual says to measure from the all the way in - of course, what it says did not enter my thick head...
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Barry on July 11, 2011, 01:20:17 pm
Sorry if this muddies the water.  I don't remember what the .pdf said. 

But many times you will read "10 clicks from full soft" or "10 clicks from full firm"... I don't know if that's all they way in, or all the way out.  It can vary on damping settings....  *USUALLY* firm is all the way in and soft all the way out for pre-load.

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve (in or out).  But say there is 100 mm of adjustment.  90 mm exposed would be 10 mm from all the way in.  That make sense?

Probably looking at both your guide (the .pdf we have had posted here?) and your manual at the same time, will explain what you need to do.

Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 12, 2011, 01:11:26 pm
I reset my suspension again making sure I read and re-read the manual correctly. Let me first discuss the front end setting and hopefully, someone can chime in if I am doing this correctly.

Pre-load: Per the manual, I just need to measure the distance from the top of nut that you wrench to the base of it to check your preload. I measured mine and made sure I had 14mm on both side. I also counted the number of visible lines in the bolt and they are the same on both sides. For the dampening force, I rotated the dial (for lack of better word), until I was all the way in. Then I rotated it counter clockwise for "5" clicks.

I am sorry for posting this over and over again, but this whole setting is making me buggy! I am finding the ride to be a bit harsh and I want to set it right. But at the same time, I do not want the ride to be squirly. I am trying to set my front end back to factory settings (which according to manual is 14mm and 5 clicks from all the way in). I am thinking my harsh riding is due to my stiff setting on my rear shocks and I will set that over the next few days, but I want to make sure my front is set right first.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: tundra dweller on July 13, 2011, 07:38:49 am
When making any changes be sure to write down what you currently are running.
If you are tweaking settings make one change and test ride it. I bring the tools along and do it on the road writing down the changes.
Once you get it dialed in the rear pre-load-black knob- should only need a few (or more) clicks in for fully loaded/passenger riding. then a few clicks back for solo.
The front pre-load settings should be given in what the distance is above the fork cap (showing). This and proper tire pressures transform the C-14's handling.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: wally_games on July 14, 2011, 11:45:51 am
I forgot to come back and post what resulted from my "rear preload knob lockup". Took it back to the dealer last Friday. They took into the shop for about 15-20 minutes, then came back and asked me where I wanted it set. I told them 16 clicks in, and that's where they set it. (I'm about 165# or so with gear, had the bags off.)

I asked them what they did just in case it happened again. They said they just worked it loose and that if it stuck again to bring it back. I don't know if they put some kind of wrench with a big cheater bar, or what, but I know that I couldn't get it to move AT ALL.

When I got home, I tried turning the knob and it was very easy to adjust, two fingers and a thumb.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Fearless on July 14, 2011, 07:29:21 pm
AWAZ,

You are making the adjustments correctly. If you want to fine tune the ride, just dial the dampening a click or two in or out and then take note on how it rides. Generally, as you screw the dampening in, the suspension will feel firmer and when you dial it out (counter clockwise) it will feel softer. Same with the rear dampening. Turning it clockwise will make the bike feel firmer, and turning it counterclockwise will make it feel softer.

The preload adjustment is primarily for setting the proper sag which is based on your weight.

FYI - From what I understand the 2010 and newer C14s have more fluid in the front forks so the dampening settings might be different than the 2008 and 2009s.

I reset my suspension again making sure I read and re-read the manual correctly. Let me first discuss the front end setting and hopefully, someone can chime in if I am doing this correctly.

Pre-load: Per the manual, I just need to measure the distance from the top of nut that you wrench to the base of it to check your preload. I measured mine and made sure I had 14mm on both side. I also counted the number of visible lines in the bolt and they are the same on both sides. For the dampening force, I rotated the dial (for lack of better word), until I was all the way in. Then I rotated it counter clockwise for "5" clicks.

I am sorry for posting this over and over again, but this whole setting is making me buggy! I am finding the ride to be a bit harsh and I want to set it right. But at the same time, I do not want the ride to be squirly. I am trying to set my front end back to factory settings (which according to manual is 14mm and 5 clicks from all the way in). I am thinking my harsh riding is due to my stiff setting on my rear shocks and I will set that over the next few days, but I want to make sure my front is set right first.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: gonzosc1 on July 15, 2011, 01:46:56 pm
I reset my suspension again making sure I read and re-read the manual correctly. Let me first discuss the front end setting and hopefully, someone can chime in if I am doing this correctly.

Pre-load: Per the manual, I just need to measure the distance from the top of nut that you wrench to the base of it to check your preload. I measured mine and made sure I had 14mm on both side. I also counted the number of visible lines in the bolt and they are the same on both sides. For the dampening force, I rotated the dial (for lack of better word), until I was all the way in. Then I rotated it counter clockwise for "5" clicks.

I am sorry for posting this over and over again, but this whole setting is making me buggy! I am finding the ride to be a bit harsh and I want to set it right. But at the same time, I do not want the ride to be squirly. I am trying to set my front end back to factory settings (which according to manual is 14mm and 5 clicks from all the way in). I am thinking my harsh riding is due to my stiff setting on my rear shocks and I will set that over the next few days, but I want to make sure my front is set right first.

I know everyone feels the bike differently. but 14mm preload on the front is too soft. for your size the factory setting are too soft. the factory setting are for a 150lb rider!!   start with the front first and get it feeling right before adjusting the rear. 
 what I have realized is at the factory setting for us big americans is that its not even in the ballpark of comfort. got turn it up just to start to get there. the harsh feeling that I felt was not that the bike is stiff. it was that the bike was so loose that the suspension wasn't doing what it needed to!
 
try the zip tie trick. put a zip tie on each fork. don't crank it down, just tight enough to stay place but lose enough to slide as the forks move. then ride as you would at any given time. after some time stop and measure the distance between the zip tie and the fork seal. 
 total travel of the front suspension is 4.4 inches(manual) you need around 30mm sag or so. thats "around"  1 1/4 inches. so you should shoot for around 3.25" of travel on the measurement between the zip tie and the fork seal. ride and adjust preload til you get "around" this measurement. 
 damping is where you will find the comfort. one problem with the forks on most bikes from japan is that they are setup for light weight people.  for two up full load comfort the fork oil needs to be changed to a heavier weight oil. if sag can't be set properly then heavier springs will have to be added also!   this is a great bike, but a goldwing its not!

 
I'm 180lbs. for solo riding I have 10mm showing on the front and 3 clicks out from full in on the dampening,  rear is set at from full out 17 clicks in for cruising and 20 in clicks for twisties, and dampening at 1 turn out from full in.
 for two up with some load I  set the front dampening 1 click out from full in. and go to 25-27 clicks in on the rear and don't change the dampening.

just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 15, 2011, 02:17:48 pm
After reading through this thread and having my Friday beer, I want to thank everyone who has contributed here.  A most excellent thread indeed.   :chugbeer:
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Makz58 on July 15, 2011, 05:20:33 pm
After reading through this thread and having my Friday beer, I want to thank everyone who has contributed here.  A most excellent thread indeed.   :chugbeer:
I would have to agree in all honesty after three Friday vodka martinis. LOL Seriously though good good thread Hic...
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 15, 2011, 05:34:06 pm
FYI - From what I understand the 2010 and newer C14s have more fluid in the front forks so the dampening settings might be different than the 2008 and 2009s.

Glad to have you back, Mr. Fearless. :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Makz58 on July 19, 2011, 05:59:48 pm
OK stupido here I understand everything but the front fork preload. How and where is this measured as per the manual??? The reference to all the way out is fu$$ing me up. Not in line with the manual....Simple is what simple does should have went to College more years. Anyway help please.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: gonzosc1 on July 19, 2011, 06:58:30 pm
OK stupido here I understand everything but the front fork preload. How and where is this measured as per the manual??? The reference to all the way out is fu$$ing me up. Not in line with the manual....Simple is what simple does should have went to College more years. Anyway help please.

in the little owners manual, page 195, simple.  righty tighty(in),
lefty loosey(out), 
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 20, 2011, 07:59:05 am
OK stupido here I understand everything but the front fork preload. How and where is this measured as per the manual??? The reference to all the way out is fu$$ing me up. Not in line with the manual....Simple is what simple does should have went to College more years. Anyway help please.

Yes, the 'all the way out' reference to the front pre-load in the chart attached to this thread messed my brain up too. I think all you need to do is just measure from the top of the nut where you put your wrench to the base. If you are 14mm, you are at stock. Then just wrench it in or out depending on what you want and measure. I counted the number of lines showing on both side to kind of make sure I got them both at the same measurement.

Honestly, I did like the stock front setting (14mm preload and 5 clicks dampening) and the rear at 20 clicks from all the way out. But wife hated it. She got a hurt back and the bumps were too pronounced. I eased the rear back to 16 clicks and she is happy. But the ride is not as sure footed as before. Guess I will have to get used to it.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Gearhead82 on July 20, 2011, 08:06:15 am
Yes, the 'all the way out' reference to the front pre-load in the chart attached to this thread messed my brain up too. I think all you need to do is just measure from the top of the nut where you put your wrench to the base. If you are 14mm, you are at stock. Then just wrench it in or out depending on what you want and measure. I counted the number of lines showing on both side to kind of make sure I got them both at the same measurement.

Honestly, I did like the stock front setting (14mm preload and 5 clicks dampening) and the rear at 20 clicks from all the way out. But wife hated it. She got a hurt back and the bumps were too pronounced. I eased the rear back to 16 clicks and she is happy. But the ride is not as sure footed as before. Guess I will have to get used to it.

The measurement is actually from the top of the adjusting nut to the top of the nut below it.  Not to the base.  There is a picture in the manual that shows this clearly.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Awaz on July 20, 2011, 08:17:46 am
The measurement is actually from the top of the adjusting nut to the top of the nut below it.  Not to the base.  There is a picture in the manual that shows this clearly.

You are correct. By base, I meant the base of the nut where you put your wrench, but it could be misleading. The owner's manual shows it clearly.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Fearless on July 21, 2011, 07:11:45 pm
Good to be back. I got lost during the Web site transition. Looks like I'm starting over with 0 posts. I'm a newbie again

After reading through this thread and having my Friday beer, I want to thank everyone who has contributed here.  A most excellent thread indeed.   :chugbeer:
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: MrPepsi on July 27, 2011, 09:02:18 am
This worksheet did wonders for my two up riding feel.
I used the two up setting 2 and it was awesome.
Stopped at a weigh station and topped out at 1100 lbs fully loaded, two up with all gear.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Ninjadad on August 31, 2011, 08:57:20 pm
New to the site and wanted to say what's up. Was looking for information on C14 suspension settings and this site popped up. Like what I've been reading and think I'll stay a while.

I changed my settings based on the PDF, will let you know how it feels in the morning.

Any 14 riders in Lancaster?
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Sofa King on August 31, 2011, 10:38:39 pm
New to the site and wanted to say what's up. Was looking for information on C14 suspension settings and this site popped up. Like what I've been reading and think I'll stay a while.

I changed my settings based on the PDF, will let you know how it feels in the morning.

Any 14 riders in Lancaster?

Which Lancaster?
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: okxd45 on August 31, 2011, 10:40:33 pm
He's talking California.....on his profile.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Ninjadad on September 01, 2011, 07:01:45 am
Dough!!  Sorry about that, Yes Lancaster, California
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Ninjadad on September 01, 2011, 10:59:14 am
Height 5'11
Weight 230
Man, after the selected changes it felt like I rode in on a new bike this morning. It's a short 30 min ride with very few curves, but the curves I did take I paid close attention to my turn in and how the bike was reacting.

Before the change the bike would run wide and i had to really strongarm it to hold the line, and on roll-ons I could feel it squatting as I rollded on the throttle. Now after the change

Front 16MM up top and 3 clicks out from full in.
Rear 25 clicks in from full out and 1.5 turns out from full in.

My connie falls into the curve and holds the line without me forcing it to.
Suspension feels solid and firm rolling down the road, the plushy feel is gone but i prefer to have the solid feeling when I'm in the twisties.
The roll on squat was minimal, and the rush of power is almost immediate.

Heading out o Malibu this weekend and will continue to pay attention on the handling and let you know if I made additional adjustments.

Hope this helps other riders over 150 pounds (he he).
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: gtrdon on September 01, 2011, 07:38:54 pm
I remember this from the old site I think it was based on 190lb rider. I have used these settings been very pleased.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: gonzosc1 on September 02, 2011, 02:12:00 pm
Height 5'11
Weight 230
Man, after the selected changes it felt like I rode in on a new bike this morning. It's a short 30 min ride with very few curves, but the curves I did take I paid close attention to my turn in and how the bike was reacting.

Before the change the bike would run wide and i had to really strongarm it to hold the line, and on roll-ons I could feel it squatting as I rollded on the throttle. Now after the change

Front 16MM up top and 3 clicks out from full in.
Rear 25 clicks in from full out and 1.5 turns out from full in.

My connie falls into the curve and holds the line without me forcing it to.
Suspension feels solid and firm rolling down the road, the plushy feel is gone but i prefer to have the solid feeling when I'm in the twisties.
The roll on squat was minimal, and the rush of power is almost immediate.

Heading out o Malibu this weekend and will continue to pay attention on the handling and let you know if I made additional adjustments.

Hope this helps other riders over 150 pounds (he he).

16mm's on front preload???? and your 230lbs.
 just doesn't sound right, but if it works what the hell.  8)   it just caught my eye cuz factory setup is 14mm for 150lb person. I'm 180lbs with front preload set at 10mm.  factory setting was way to mushy with very heavy nose dive under braking.  now our rear setting are close together
 
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: qyetman on September 03, 2011, 09:46:05 pm
IRISH, I am 5'10' 44 and at 150# the heaviest I have ever been. I have had 3 C10's and ridden thousands of miles, solo snd 2up, never had an issue handling my bikes. This is my first C14. I have about 600 miles solo and 300 miles 2up no problems so far. Always said I would rather be skinny than overweight!!
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Ninjadad on September 06, 2011, 11:04:47 am
I'll recheck that tonight, maybe I made a mistake...Thanks for the follow-up.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: OCK913 on July 06, 2012, 03:27:42 pm
I know this is an old thread, but I was searching for some info and found myself here. I have never really done any adjustments on my suspension since I got the bike....it felt pretty good after delivery and I just left it alone. Well, on the 4th we had family/friends over and my curious nephew was hanging out with the guys in the garage. He was fascinated with the C14 so I let him set on it and act like he was riding, all innocent enough. Well, when I wasnt looking he started inspecting everything and my brother caught him turning the rear dampner knob like it was a spinning top. I went out there today to put it back to normal and I am not sure where normal is. I see postings refering to "clicks" but mine doesnt "click".... in fact, i am not finding an all the way in or out either..... it just seems to turn and turn and turn. What has this kid done to my adjuster??
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 07, 2012, 05:53:06 am
It should be more of a 'detent' feeling and not a 'click' as such.  You should feel something, though.  Just checked mine and it does detent, but it takes nearly a turn to do so on mine.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conrad on July 07, 2012, 05:53:56 am
I know this is an old thread, but I was searching for some info and found myself here. I have never really done any adjustments on my suspension since I got the bike....it felt pretty good after delivery and I just left it alone. Well, on the 4th we had family/friends over and my curious nephew was hanging out with the guys in the garage. He was fascinated with the C14 so I let him set on it and act like he was riding, all innocent enough. Well, when I wasnt looking he started inspecting everything and my brother caught him turning the rear dampner knob like it was a spinning top. I went out there today to put it back to normal and I am not sure where normal is. I see postings refering to "clicks" but mine doesnt "click".... in fact, i am not finding an all the way in or out either..... it just seems to turn and turn and turn. What has this kid done to my adjuster??

The clicks are rather subtle and on some bikes can be easy to miss. That said, if you're not finding the 'stops', either all in or all out, you have a different problem.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 07, 2012, 05:57:10 am
Justifiable homicide if you ask me....
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conrad on July 07, 2012, 06:24:10 am
Justifiable homicide if you ask me....

On a first offence Jim?  :o

I think that losing a hand would suffice.
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 07, 2012, 09:44:49 am
Ok....loss of hand, then execution.  Happy now?  ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 suspension setup
Post by: Conrad on July 08, 2012, 05:45:46 am
Ok....loss of hand, then execution.  Happy now?  ;)

Yes, now I am.