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Title: 18 years ago today
Post by: Rick Hall on September 10, 2019, 08:37:56 pm
3,000 people will be spending their last day on this earth with their families and friends.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: maxtog on September 10, 2019, 09:33:27 pm
:(
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: connie_rider on September 10, 2019, 10:11:23 pm
Gloom...………   :'(

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Rubber_Snake on September 10, 2019, 11:35:34 pm
Found this on FB...
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: B.D.F. on September 11, 2019, 12:41:29 am
I remember exactly where I was, what I was doing and how I found out. Because the information was relayed by a local (non- news) person with no details (two planes have crashed into the World Trade Center), I immediately thought it was a hoax. Thinking it was 1) a small, private plane and 2) an accident, I thought the odds of it happening twice in one day were astronomical. Of course this being a deliberate, planned attack, with full size airliners never occurred to me as even a remote possibility.

A couple of hours later I found out differently.....

Brian

3,000 people will be spending their last day on this earth with their families and friends.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: connie_rider on September 11, 2019, 06:15:56 am
I'm the same. Remember exactly where I was and what Iwas doing.
  At work working in the Dyno Lab.
We heard of 1 aircraft, and remembered we had a TV at work, where we could see what was happening.
Many of us went to look at.
We thought {hoped} it was a huge accident, and then the second Aircraft struck the Tower.
Then we knew, and will never forget.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Conrad on September 11, 2019, 06:24:23 am
Me too, I remember it all. I was at work without a clue as to what was going on. I got a call from a friend on the east coast telling me to turn on the TV in my office. I sat in front of that TV for the rest of the day...

 :'(
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 11, 2019, 07:27:01 am
Me too.  Was at a wrecking yard in Fredericksburg pulling my radio out of my car that my daughter wrecked.  Walked over to the office and they were all focused on the tv, as was I when I saw what was going on.  Horrible.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: turbojoe78 on September 11, 2019, 08:22:30 am
I was with my brother diving in Bonaire.  We went into a dive shop right after the first plane hit the WTC.  The shop owner knowing we were from the U.S. brought us in the back room where we watched the news and watched live, the second plane fly into the second tower.

It was a very strange feeling that day, being in a foreign country and seeing our country get attacked.  All the people we spoke to that day were very sympathetic, and shocked.

We did a couple dives that afternoon and then spent the night watching the news with a friend of a friend who lived on the island.

The whole world changed that day.  When we went to Bonaire, all we needed to fly was a license for identification.  When we went to leave, they wanted to see our passports.  We didn't have any and it took a little while for them to allow us to get on the plane.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: maxtog on September 11, 2019, 03:25:41 pm
The whole world changed that day.  When we went to Bonaire, all we needed to fly was a license for identification.  When we went to leave, they wanted to see our passports.  We didn't have any and it took a little while for them to allow us to get on the plane.

Indeed.  That is the further tragedy.  The trampling of the Constitution and the rise of "security theater."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 11, 2019, 06:14:58 pm
I guess when you have assholes trying to kill you all the time, things have to change.  Or we have to kill them first.  I'm good with the latter.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: tweeter55 on September 11, 2019, 07:45:49 pm
  Or we have to kill them first.  I'm good with the latter.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: FTB530 on September 11, 2019, 09:14:58 pm
I was working nights and 3/4 of the way home I had to pull off the highway and take a nap, when I woke up the first thing I heard on the radio was that a airplane has hit the WTC, my first thought was in these days with the systems in a airplane hard to believe it was an accident ,
Stopped at my moms and turned on the tv,brother was there and I told them that building will fall, about that time we saw the second plane ! Never forget!
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Rick Hall on September 11, 2019, 11:23:31 pm
I was scheduled to help turn 200 lbs of elk trimmings into sausage on the 11th. No TV here for quite some time, fired up the confuzer and got online (dial-up) just after first plane hit.

Disconnected internet (dial-up, remember?) called neighbor, said I wasn't coming up, turn on your TV (they had one), news says a plane hit WTC.
Dramatic pause, then they asked for the punch line.
I said there was none, a plane hit the WTC! TURN. ON. YOUR. TV!

Unsure of the elk trimmings, know we don't waste nuttin up here.

Rick
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: George R. Young on September 12, 2019, 07:14:07 am
. . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

Intuitively, I knew that taking off my belt and shoes was not increasing the safety of my fellow air travelers or myself. Thanks for the 'Security Theater' reference, it seems that there are lots of unintended consequences to the pretense of being more secure. This is the kind of absurdity I can really appreciate.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: B.D.F. on September 12, 2019, 02:29:00 pm
Absolutely agreed regarding the Constitution. It has been used for a doormat in the past but the events of 9/11 turned it into 'bathroom tissue'. The death of Antonin Scalia helped fuel that fire also- sometimes I think he was in the minority of those who have even read that document. <sigh>

Brian

Indeed.  That is the further tragedy.  The trampling of the Constitution and the rise of "security theater."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: connie_rider on September 13, 2019, 06:50:29 am
Can anyone else remember/post where they were/what they were doing at that moment/on that day?
When I talk to others, it's interesting to me that so many recall that moment so vividly.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: B.D.F. on September 13, 2019, 09:14:17 am
It seems pretty common with a really big, unexpected and emotional events. It is said that the same thing happened when Abraham Lincoln was shot- people remembered the moment(s) when they found out about that for the rest of their lives. Same thing with J.F.K. back in '63. These are pretty much once in a lifetime events that seem to be particularly intense because they were not expected or even thought of as a possibility. I am sure others will chime in but my guess and experience is that everyone I have spoken with about this remembers that morning with great clarity.

Brian

Can anyone else remember/post where they were/what they were doing at that moment/on that day?
When I talk to others, it's interesting to me that so many recall that moment so vividly.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Rubber_Snake on September 13, 2019, 09:15:19 am
I was with my wife at a surgery center in Modesto, CA.  She was getting painful injections in her neck as a result of a recent vehicle collision.  I was in the waiting room when the first tower was hit, but was unaware.  On the ride home, my wife said that some of the nurses were talking about an airplane that had hit one of the towers.  I figured it was a small plane and had no idea of the scope the attack.  We arrived home and I turned on the T.V. to see only one tower standing.  About one minute later, it came down.  We just sat in front of the T.V. in astonishment and disbelief the whole day. 
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: maxtog on September 13, 2019, 03:09:21 pm
It seems pretty common with a really big, unexpected and emotional events. It is said that the same thing happened when Abraham Lincoln was shot- people remembered the moment(s) when they found out about that for the rest of their lives. Same thing with J.F.K. back in '63.

Or when Regan was shot, or the space shuttle exploded.  Highly emotional and/or traumatic events tend to strengthen the memory pathways of the brain.  It is a natural survival trait, and one shared by other animals, too.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: B.D.F. on September 14, 2019, 02:02:39 pm
For me, those are perfect examples..... I do not remember the fine details around either event. The actual events, certainly but not the entire time frame around them. And I was both alive and adult for both of them :-) But I do remember extraordinarily small details and the entire time frame around the events of 9/11- maybe about one- half of that day, starting when I was told that it had happened.

Not saying you are wrong or even disagreeing with you here, just saying that that particular day, 9/11, is etched into my memory along with a number of hours surrounding it with amazing detail and in correct chronological form rather than snippets or individual images. I remember the two events you mention in more like 3 second 'clips' and not in chronological order really.

I think the reason for this is that those particular events (9/11) were outside the perceived area of possibility while the other events were not. Extremely dramatic, sure but not beyond what could be imagined (Reagan being shot and the Challenger explosion). On the other hand, it was inconceivable to me that <anything> short of a large nuclear weapon could actually knock down one of those buildings. In fact, I still believe they are, or would be, immune from actually being driven down by any outward force; they of course actually collapsed due to several floors suddenly giving way and causing 'pancaking' of the upper portions of each building.

Brian

Or when Regan was shot, or the space shuttle exploded.  Highly emotional and/or traumatic events tend to strengthen the memory pathways of the brain.  It is a natural survival trait, and one shared by other animals, too.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Cholla on September 16, 2019, 12:33:25 pm
And now the NYPD wants the investigation into what brought the towers down reopened because the official story and their investigation results don't add up.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Stasch on September 16, 2019, 04:24:07 pm
I had just walked in to a client site after a 45 minute ride during which I had no link to 'real life' and news.

As soon as I walked in, one of the ladies I worked with was very upset and asked me if I heard what had happened.  I had not.

I saw the replay of the plane hitting the first building.  I called home and told my wife to turn on the TV.  She asked why and all I could say was 'just turn on the TV'.  I couldn't put into words what I had just witnessed.

Then the entire office watched as the 2nd plane hit and both buildings collapsed.  Very surreal.

My wife and I had just returned to MI that Sunday from flying back with friends in a private plane after a weekend trip out west.

Had we been a couple days later we would have been grounded and had to find another way home.

I am not in planes that much, but having just spent that prior weekend in a plane with 2 pilots, I was keenly aware of the eerie silence of the skies and lack of aircraft activity while all flights were grounded for the next few days while things were getting sorted out.

I will NEVER forget footage of crowds celebrating and shouting 'Death to America'.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Boomer on September 24, 2019, 09:47:07 am
I was at work and saw it on the BBC News website. Shortly after we lost internet connectivity due to so many people watching via the internet, but we had a portable TV so I set that up and we all sat there watching it unfold, numb, all in shock.  :'(
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: connie_rider on September 26, 2019, 07:44:54 am
Boomer, Interesting to hear from our Buddies oversea's..
What time was it there?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: maxtog on September 26, 2019, 03:11:08 pm
What time was it there?


+5
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Boomer on September 27, 2019, 03:08:40 am
Boomer, Interesting to hear from our Buddies oversea's..
What time was it there?

Ride safe, Ted
Yeah, +5 from EST so mid afternoon. I first heard it via BBC News website about 2pm our time, only 15 mins after the first plane hit.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: maxtog on September 27, 2019, 05:40:07 am
Yeah, +5 from EST so mid afternoon.

Well, +5 from EDT to UTC, +4 from EST to UTC (it was EDT at 9/11).  I believe Britain is still doing that same, stupid "daylight saving time" crap that we do, and at the same dates, so it would always be +5.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 29, 2019, 09:49:49 am
My brane hurts.
Title: Re: 18 years ago today
Post by: Boomer on October 04, 2019, 03:29:36 am
Yes, we are still doing Daylight Savings Time or "British Summer Time" as it's called here.
We change at the same time as the USA in the autumn (fall) but in the spring there is a 2 week difference where there is only a 4 hour difference.
So, in winter we are on UTC (GMT) and in Summer UTC+1 (BST).
In New York EDT is UTC-5, but is UTC-4 in Summer due to DST.

Did anyone else just hear Jim's head explode?  :rotflmao: :rotflmao: