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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: lolife on January 15, 2012, 11:10:49 am

Title: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 15, 2012, 11:10:49 am
 :-[ :-[

My 09 has almost 23,000 miles of worry free, great riding.  I was riding home Sunday when  I stopped for gas & my Kipass wouldn't work.  I banged on the switch with the back of my hand & got it to free the switch. 

After arriving home, nothing. I removed the little panel on the LH side & can unplug the grey connector to get the bike to the dealer.  Thankfully its still under warranty for another 6 months or so.

I know some are saying "damn, another Kipass thread".   :o

When I bought my C-14 I always wandered why not just a regular key switch?  I'd rather keep up with a key than a fob, key switches work & really its kinda hard to improve a key switch.  I don't understand why so many car manufactures are going away from keys?   :-\  My wife's 2012 Durango doesn't have a key either.

I just thought I'd report here.  If anything it gets a tad of frustration out.  Its supposed to be 65-70 degrees next weekend & I doubt I can get my bike back in 5 days.  I may ride it unplugging the connector.   8)

Thank you for listening
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: 556ALPHA on January 15, 2012, 11:30:17 am
I look forward to hearing the fix, not bashing by any means.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 15, 2012, 11:33:41 am
If it's failing consistently then I say "Good show, ole chap!".  It's the intermittent ones that the dealer is reluctant to 'fix'.  Let us know what they do.  Some say they are replacing the spring with a stronger one.  I wouldn't let them off the hook if all they do is spray it 'clean'.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: lolife on January 15, 2012, 11:37:12 am
If it's failing consistently then I say "Good show, ole chap!".    I wouldn't let them off the hook if all they do is spray it 'clean'.

Yes, its broken completely.  I've banged on it with my hand but I'm not using the ol' K-Rock.   :D

Spraying it clean is not a fix.  That's a band-aid.  I won't settle for that w/o an argument. 

Thank you for the replies
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: martin_14 on January 15, 2012, 12:07:58 pm
Yes, its broken completely.  I've banged on it with my hand but I'm not using the ol' K-Rock.   :D

Spraying it clean is not a fix.  That's a band-aid.  I won't settle for that w/o an argument. 

Thank you for the replies

good luck and keep us posted. Totally agree with the good ol' key. I hate hating, but I hate technology for technology's sake.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 15, 2012, 12:17:37 pm
:-[ :-[

My 09 has almost 23,000 miles of worry free, great riding.  I was riding home Sunday when  I stopped for gas & my Kipass wouldn't work.  I banged on the switch with the back of my hand & got it to free the switch. 

After arriving home, nothing. I removed the little panel on the LH side & can unplug the grey connector to get the bike to the dealer.  Thankfully its still under warranty for another 6 months or so.

I know some are saying "damn, another Kipass thread".   :o

When I bought my C-14 I always wandered why not just a regular key switch?  I'd rather keep up with a key than a fob, key switches work & really its kinda hard to improve a key switch.  I don't understand why so many car manufactures are going away from keys?   :-\  My wife's 2012 Durango doesn't have a key either.

I just thought I'd report here.  If anything it gets a tad of frustration out.  Its supposed to be 65-70 degrees next weekend & I doubt I can get my bike back in 5 days.  I may ride it unplugging the connector.   8)

Thank you for listening

Sorry you are having a problem.  I don't think they fixed the spring issue until the updated 2010 model year.

Keyless is *wonderful* on my car.  I have one fob, I keep it in a fanny pack or briefcase and never even think about it.  I love it.  I don't have to mess with ANY keys, EVER.  And the ignition is a push button switch.  I can open doors, trunk, even the gas filler, AND start the car, without ever touching the fob.

But on the C-14, it really does nothing for me at all.  Since it does not unlock the gas tank, and does not unlock my bags, I still have to carry a key, or mess with the silly stovekey.  And there isn't an ignition button, it is still a key switch, so I have to fiddle with something to get the bike ready to start.  And it doesn't lock or unlock the steering automatically, so you have to press, then wait, then press (but not too soon) and try to turn, etc.   It has almost all the disadvantages of a mechanical system (difficult to use, mechanical failure, multiple keyholes, manual switching, etc), all of the disadvantages of an electronic system (complex, expensive, batteries, etc).

Keyless on a bike is a good concept, if done correctly.  KISPASS is neither.  Let the flaming begin!
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Tremainiac on January 15, 2012, 12:27:08 pm
I thought I had a KIPASS issue, turned out to be loose intermittent ground at the battery.
 :D

And since I have to carry a key for the bags, top box and house, I think of the stove bolt key as my spare. Hidden in plain site.  :stirpot:
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Supatramp on January 15, 2012, 02:18:29 pm
I was 1200 miles from home when my problem reared it's ugly face, but was lucky enough to get it to work, so I could start the bike.
I recently bought a Concours ignition off a wreck for $30, just so I could dissect it. I don't think the manual, shows the inner workings of one.
I haven't drilled out the factory break off screws to remove the triple clamp yet, but have removed the door where the solenoid switch is. It has a finger that falls into slots on the barrel, where the key is. While it is engaged, the finger prevents rotation of the key tumbler. When the key is pressed in and KiPass is satisfied, the finger is lifted by the solenoid switch.

The finger is located in that small slot, above the solenoid.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/houndawgg/IMG_0396.jpg)

The plastic capsule is where the wires are sealed in a silicon like substance, maybe a solid state board in there.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/houndawgg/IMG_0394.jpg)

Under this door is the tumbler where the infamous spring, that gets replaced, is located.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/houndawgg/IMG_0397-1.jpg)

I'll put more photos up after I get everything apart, then the more knowledgeable can explain the inner workings for us.

Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: tonedeaf on January 15, 2012, 02:22:28 pm
Sorry you are having a problem.  I don't think they fixed the spring issue until the updated 2010 model year.


...at which point they put the old spring in the glove box KiPiss where is still doesn't work worth a damn.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 15, 2012, 02:25:56 pm
Not implying anything but do you use the stove knob key for everything, or does it spend it's whole life in the ignition?

Hopefully you get this taken care of without any additional headache.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 15, 2012, 02:27:57 pm
...at which point they put the old spring in the glove box KiPiss where is still doesn't work worth a damn.

I wouldn't put it past them to do that..  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: lolife on January 15, 2012, 02:58:10 pm
Not implying anything but do you use the stove knob key for everything, or does it spend it's whole life in the ignition?

I've only removed my stove knob once just to do it.  I use the key in the back of the fob for my bags. 

Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: texrider on January 15, 2012, 05:24:01 pm
I use the 'stove knob' key to open fuel and bag locks, and I occasionally give all key slots a shot of WD-40. Nary a problem so far, save one low FOB battery. (Knocks on wood)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 15, 2012, 05:49:59 pm
I use the 'stove knob' key to open fuel and bag locks, and I occasionally give all key slots a shot of WD-40. Nary a problem so far, save one low FOB battery. (Knocks on wood)

WD-40 isn't the best thing to use since it actually attracts dirt and displaces grease.  I use a dab of dry graphite lube and it doesn't wash any of the good stuff away.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: rcannon409 on January 15, 2012, 05:57:34 pm
Is it a good idea to remove the stovetop occasionally?
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 15, 2012, 06:30:08 pm
Bad juju...
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: JerBear on January 15, 2012, 06:34:20 pm
I think Ma Kawi would be best served if they went to a regular key and spent the money they saved on a better way to keep the bags in place.  Kipass is a solution looking for a problem and by golly if there isn't a problem it will create one without a solution!
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: B.D.F. on January 15, 2012, 07:49:25 pm
I do not believe it makes any difference whether you remove the key or not. Some people have a belief that removing the key is somehow bad but I think that is entirely superstitious. Clearly Kawasaki meant for the key to be removed or they would not have put the letters "FSS" on the ring around the key in the position where it can be removed (Fuel, Saddlebags, Seat or Saddle). I remove the stove knob key from the ignition whenever I need to open anything on the bike and have since 7/07 and coming up on 80K miles without incident. Then again, I am the one who invented the KiPass Bypass too....  :D

There is a lot of 'hocus pocus' about KiPass but much like 'kill the virgin, grow the corn', it seems to work but there is no correlation IMO.

Brian

Is it a good idea to remove the stovetop occasionally?
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 15, 2012, 09:05:26 pm
WD-40 isn't the best thing to use since it actually attracts dirt and displaces grease.  I use a dab of dry graphite lube and it doesn't wash any of the good stuff away.

I was going to say the same thing.  WD-40 should not be used in locks and intricate mechanical works.  It tends to gum up things and attract dirt.  It is great for unfreezing simple mechanical, like rusted hinges.  It is also good for removing sticky stuff, followed by something like alcohol to get rid of the WD-40.

I have always been told that graphite is the only proper stuff to use in locks.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 15, 2012, 09:07:39 pm
I think Ma Kawi would be best served if they went to a regular key and spent the money they saved on a better way to keep the bags in place.  Kipass is a solution looking for a problem and by golly if there isn't a problem it will create one without a solution!

I think they should scrap kipass and replace it with a simple, intelligent (chipped) key, to help deter theft.  Then spend the saved money on an integrated, factory cruise control and HID lights.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: ZG on January 15, 2012, 09:31:14 pm
I was going to say the same thing.  WD-40 should not be used in locks and intricate mechanical works.  It tends to gum up things and attract dirt.  It is great for unfreezing simple mechanical, like rusted hinges.  It is also good for removing sticky stuff, followed by something like alcohol to get rid of the WD-40.

I have always been told that graphite is the only proper stuff to use in locks.

 :goodpost:
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Mister Tee on January 16, 2012, 07:56:54 am
I find that Dupont spray teflon lube (it dries) works great in locks and it doesn't attract dirt.

I'm not opposed to the concept of a keyless start, but my problem is I have to access the side cases (or the fuel tank) almost ever single ride, so I'm STILL fumbling with a key.  There is just no advantage on this bike, for me.  If I could leave the cases in an unlocked state, it would be a different story.  And I'm not sure I like the idea of leaving modified spare keys in the cases to accomplish that end.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Conrad on January 16, 2012, 08:07:55 am
Sorry you are having a problem.  I don't think they fixed the spring issue until the updated 2010 model year.

Keyless is *wonderful* on my car.  I have one fob, I keep it in a fanny pack or briefcase and never even think about it.  I love it.  I don't have to mess with ANY keys, EVER.  And the ignition is a push button switch.  I can open doors, trunk, even the gas filler, AND start the car, without ever touching the fob.

But on the C-14, it really does nothing for me at all.  Since it does not unlock the gas tank, and does not unlock my bags, I still have to carry a key, or mess with the silly stovekey.  And there isn't an ignition button, it is still a key switch, so I have to fiddle with something to get the bike ready to start.  And it doesn't lock or unlock the steering automatically, so you have to press, then wait, then press (but not too soon) and try to turn, etc.   It has almost all the disadvantages of a mechanical system (difficult to use, mechanical failure, multiple keyholes, manual switching, etc), all of the disadvantages of an electronic system (complex, expensive, batteries, etc).

Keyless on a bike is a good concept, if done correctly.  KISPASS is neither. Let the flaming begin!

Ok...

You really wear a fanny pack?    :o
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 16, 2012, 08:31:15 am
Ok...

You really wear a fanny pack?    :o

LOL!  I was waiting for someone to comment.  Unfortunately, many times, yes.  I have to carry around medications (like pills and asthma rescue inhaler), big phone, wallet, knife, and junk and it is just too much effort to keep transferring all the stuff from one place to another, over and over.   My need for laziness wins over my need for being a "manly man".   At least it is black leather ;)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 16, 2012, 08:45:59 am
There are a couple different ways to go with the fanny pack.  You could try the satchel or the European carry all.  Either way they are still purses.   ;D

(http://blog.shoplet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/seinfeld-purse.jpg)

(http://thesatchelpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hangover-218x300.jpg)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Conrad on January 16, 2012, 08:47:32 am
LOL!  I was waiting for someone to comment.  Unfortunately, many times, yes.  I have to carry around medications (like pills and asthma rescue inhaler), big phone, wallet, knife, and junk and it is just too much effort to keep transferring all the stuff from one place to another, over and over.   My need for laziness wins over my need for being a "manly man".   At least it is black leather ;)


Sorry Max, there's only one guy who can get away with wearing a fannypack and still look manly. (and if he doesn't ain't no one gonna tell him different)

(http://i10.glitter-graphics.org/pub/1624/1624680hx98bpacv5.png)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 16, 2012, 08:55:07 am
I just don't get the mentality that admitting you need to carry more than will comfortably fit in pockets is unmasculine.  I guess I am just not that insecure about my manliness :)   Besides, the bonus is that the pack fits perfectly in my Sargent seat "pod", no keys required!
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 16, 2012, 09:01:45 am
I just don't get the mentality that admitting you need to carry more than will comfortably fit in pockets is unmasculine.  I guess I am just not that insecure about my manliness :)   Besides, the bonus is that the pack fits perfectly in my Sargent seat "pod", no keys required!

Just razzin' ya.  My buddy carries his 1911 and three of four extra mags in a fanny pack.........I don't make fun of him.  But I have asked him for a Tic Tac or Mentos a time or two.   ;D
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Son of Pappy on January 16, 2012, 09:11:39 am
Just to share my only KIPASS related issue.  Back in approx. Aug of '08 I had a brief stoppage.  I had some serious PTKSD (Post Traumatic KIPASS Stress Disorder).  I had read a post by some guy named Bob.  I had a flash back moment, started a rapid tap on the stove knob and things went back to normal.  I use the knob as Brian does and ride whenever there isnt ice on the road.  What I have come to realize is KIPASS is a manly thing, only for the brave, if you have a fondness for things like snuggies (and maybe fanny packs ;) ) you are destined for an inferior machine with less then 6 gears and will forever be digging into you pockets (under your riding pants of course) for a key.  Instead of a nice smooth bulge in your pocket you will have an unsightly mess which will be a sure thing you can't handle the awe inspiring 'Mad powahs" of KIPASS.  KIPASS is the cure for the common cold and is the best mouse trap ever, just ask Kirby ;)
52,000 miles later I have never had an issue and I have only once lubed the switch, that was somewhere around 50,000 miles ago.
To sum things up, true KIPASS issues are fairly rare and keep in mind, it is an electro mechanical system, there will be some failures, I think inherantly the system is great.
PS If this is your fanny pack all will be well in the manly world http://www.kgproducts.com/BELTBAGS.html (http://www.kgproducts.com/BELTBAGS.html)

I dont think even a camo colored snuggy will qualify tho ;D
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: lather on January 16, 2012, 10:22:58 am
 :goodpost:
One thing I can add is is that I think it is possible for debris to get into the mechanism and cause problems. If that were the cause of a failure a simple clean out might be acceptable. After reading  the early KiPass failure posts (probably 97% of which were from that one Bob dude) I started regualarly inspecting the visible components and less regualry squirting in some suitable lubricant. One one inspection I discovered a fragment of dead leaf stuck inside. I spent about an hour extracting most of it. It is a mystery how it got there since the only time I remove the stove knob key is during fueling. So I wonder if it somehow got blown in from underneath. Maybe another good reason to install a fender extender.

Anyway like SOP I had a single possible 08 KiPass  episode in the early days. It happend in my own garage and responded to gentle tapping. The episode occurred after a wash. I sprayed with WD40 and I have had no more episodes, now at 67,000 miles.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 16, 2012, 12:59:50 pm
Instead of a nice smooth bulge in your pocket you will have an unsightly mess which will be a sure thing you can't handle the awe inspiring 'Mad powahs" of KIPASS.


LOL!!!!!

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PS If this is your fanny pack all will be well in the manly world [url]http://www.kgproducts.com/BELTBAGS.html[/url] ([url]http://www.kgproducts.com/BELTBAGS.html[/url])


I will say "no", since my permit is not concealed-carry, because I refuse to submit my fingerprints to the government (like a criminal), to be searched without probable cause every time any prints are run, probably anywhere in the country.  (Yes, that is what is required in my city).
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: stevewfl on January 16, 2012, 03:07:45 pm
My stove key has only been removed once, the 1st day i owned the bike my friend Blkbird met me at the dealer up in NJ and showed me how it works.

KiPass has kept my bike hassle/failure free for >48,000 miles and still kickin' it   :D
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: lolife on January 16, 2012, 04:01:17 pm
I dropped it off at the dealer today.  No intermittent problem for me.  It was stone cold broke. 

They said they tried to call Kawi today but couldn't b/c it was MLK.  He said he'd call tomorrow & call me with the details.  We'll see what happens.   ;)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 16, 2012, 07:01:14 pm
I will say "no", since my permit is not concealed-carry, because I refuse to submit my fingerprints to the government (like a criminal), to be searched without probable cause every time any prints are run, probably anywhere in the country.  (Yes, that is what is required in my city).

So you are one of those crazy, open carry guys?   ;)

I would much rather have nobody know what is on my hip.

Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Sea Level on January 16, 2012, 07:38:14 pm
So you are one of those crazy, open carry guys?   ;)

I would much rather have nobody know what is on my hip.

Other than cops, I don't think I've ever seen an ordinary citizen openly carrying a handgun. Except at gun shows, or as they are affectionately called around here, "Sportsman Exhibitions". Speaking of unmanly men, I have a fondness for pocket guns and often carry a Baretta Jetfire .25, which slips easily into any pocket.

Max, I can sort of understand your feelings about the permit process, but getting fingerprinted makes sense to me in the context of having a license to carry. It's the best way of making sure the person purchasing the gun is the same person holding the permit. We allow fingerprinting for all sorts of innocent purposes, such as for tracing children.

But no matter how many girlie guns I may own or carry, I'll never do it in a fanny pack.   :pukeface:
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: texrider on January 16, 2012, 07:46:08 pm
The WD-40 topic seems to be in the third rail catagory along with oil and tires.

Over 40 years of trouble free usage will keep it on my shelf.

Good luck with the ignition.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 16, 2012, 09:44:37 pm
So you are one of those crazy, open carry guys?   ;) 

No, it is usually locked up, safe.

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I would much rather have nobody know what is on my hip.

Then here, you would be fingerprinted like a criminal.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: maxtog on January 16, 2012, 09:48:54 pm
Max, I can sort of understand your feelings about the permit process, but getting fingerprinted makes sense to me in the context of having a license to carry. It's the best way of making sure the person purchasing the gun is the same person holding the permit. We allow fingerprinting for all sorts of innocent purposes, such as for tracing children.

Well, since my fingerprints are not on record (and I want to keep it that way), it does absolutely nothing to identify that I am the person purchasing the gun.  I *strongly* disagree with collection of fingerprints (or DNA) from non-felons.  And I would never allow the government to fingerprint/DNA my children (if I had any).  I might take prints and store them myself... which is a huge difference.

I would happily submit my vein or retinal pattern, since I don't casually leave those all over the place.  Plus, I am aware if I am being ID'ed (plus lots of other things, but this is waaaaaaaaaaay off topic).
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Son of Pappy on January 16, 2012, 11:14:24 pm

Then here, you would be fingerprinted like a criminal.

 Or a service member, heck we give up DNA as well.  They'll get it regardless, the only real differance I see is consent.  How about the facial recognition programs in use, all those cameras going up in most, if not all, cities.  I live in a state where the law is based on "Must issue", provided of course you pass their local checks and are other wise quallified from a legal view.
Visit Idaho, you'll see lots of open carry.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: OCK913 on January 17, 2012, 03:40:57 am
I refuse to submit my fingerprints to the government (like a criminal), to be searched without probable cause every time any prints are run, probably anywhere in the country.

Perhaps you have some skeletons in your closet that your fingerprints could make known??? I am picturing the FBI's "Most Wanted" database rotating this same set of fingerprints over and over, just waiting for a match. There is a guy in charge that points them out, saying "those prints right there, if that would ever apply for a gun permit, we got him."

In its most basic form, the biggest barrier to unethical behavior is fear of getting caught.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 17, 2012, 04:28:39 am
Guys, weapons discussions are in another board 'The Range'.  Please continue there.  We're talking KIPASS issues here.  I'm not going to entertain any more posts on that subject in this thread.

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=13.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=13.0)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Restless on January 17, 2012, 06:02:00 am
Good thread from "another" forum on this topic: http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,17415.msg64795.html#msg64795 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,17415.msg64795.html#msg64795) Pics and explination on how to perform preventive maintenance on our favorite part of the bike...FWIW...YMMV.   ;)

Best wishes to the OP for a quick recovery and getting her back on the road with minimal waiting!  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Boomer on January 17, 2012, 08:27:37 am
48k miles, 4.5 years, every time I fill up the Stove knob comes out and opens my gas tank filler.
I rarely use the side bags but have had a key cut for those.

I like the fact that I can put my gloves on indoors and then head out.
I like that fact that I can't drop the keys in the fairing.
I like the fact that I can lock the bike and walk away without having to take my gloves off and fiddle around to put the keys in a pocket, from which they may be stolen.

KiPass is a good security system.
Is it perfect, no.
Is it better than keys, even chipped security keys,... yes.
If it fails on you it's a PITA, but so is losing yer keys, or having them stolen, or dropping them in the fairing.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 17, 2012, 09:51:56 am
Guys, weapons discussions are in another board 'The Range'.  Please continue there.  We're talking KIPASS issues here.  I'm not going to entertain any more posts on that subject in this thread.

[url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=13.0[/url] ([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=13.0[/url])


Absolutely correct, Jim.

What if KiPass was done with fingerprint recognition or a retina scan?   ;D

Just kidding of course.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 17, 2012, 01:56:56 pm
And we think we have problems now...
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
Post by: Tremainiac on January 17, 2012, 02:08:35 pm
Absolutely correct, Jim.

What if KiPass was done with fingerprint recognition or a retina scan?   ;D


Get reflashed at your nearest Police station...  :o
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 19, 2012, 03:31:52 pm
I called the dealer to inquire about my bike & they said Kaw is sending a "spring kit" to replace some of the inner springs in the switch.  They said they've had a few instances but nothing near a recall. 

The dealer couldn't tell me the details of the "spring kit" b/c they hadn't received the parts yet or ever replaced the insides of the switch.  They did say they disassembled my switch & couldn't visually see anything wrong with the switch. 
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: B.D.F. on January 19, 2012, 06:37:51 pm
All it is is a coil spring- it looks like something out of a retractable ball point pen. The replacement is heavier (has more force) than the original.

The KiPass activation switch is nothing more than a push button switch (technically called a momentary contact, normally open switch) that is hidden under and operated by the main ignition switch being pressed down. Occasionally the activation switch sticks in the down position and KiPass shuts down after a short time to prevent the battery from being drained. That is the entire problem- nothing more than a sticking switch worth about $0.04. And the 'fix' is just as simple- a stronger spring to return the switch back to the off position with more force.

In the really early models there was some evidence of a burr on the plunger of the switch but I have not heard anything about that being the case in a long time.

Brian

I called the dealer to inquire about my bike & they said Kaw is sending a "spring kit" to replace some of the inner springs in the switch.  They said they've had a few instances but nothing near a recall. 

The dealer couldn't tell me the details of the "spring kit" b/c they hadn't received the parts yet or ever replaced the insides of the switch.  They did say they disassembled my switch & couldn't visually see anything wrong with the switch.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: ang on January 20, 2012, 07:14:00 am
Lolife, what is the name of your dealer, I want to inquire about the spring kit.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: stevewfl on January 20, 2012, 07:22:38 am
The mad pow-ah of (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif)KiPass(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif) deserves more than 4 pages
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 20, 2012, 07:25:30 am
Lolife, what is the name of your dealer, I want to inquire about the spring kit.

Its Anderson Powersports in Anderson SC. Their number is 864-225-0651. The guy in the service dept is named Kyle.

My real name is Michael Myers. He wont have a clue who lolife is.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Flathead on January 20, 2012, 02:16:43 pm
Its Anderson Powersports in Anderson SC. Their number is 864-225-0651. The guy in the service dept is named Kyle.

My real name is Michael Myers. He wont have a clue who lolife is.

Surprised you didn't choose 'Halloween' for a handle LOL  ;D ;D

Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: MrPepsi on January 20, 2012, 03:04:32 pm
What has the world come to.
This is a Kipass thread right?
Has anyone called to make sure the Capn' is alive?
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: B.D.F. on January 20, 2012, 03:35:16 pm
I bet if you show up at the dealer wearing a face mask they will finish your bike a lot sooner....  ;D

Sorry- you are probably more than sick of having your chain pulled about that by now.

Brian

Its Anderson Powersports in Anderson SC. Their number is 864-225-0651. The guy in the service dept is named Kyle.

My real name is Michael Myers. He wont have a clue who lolife is.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: B.D.F. on January 20, 2012, 03:40:16 pm
Yeah, Bob is alive and well but doesn't frequent these parts anymore, at least not using any name we would recognize. He is quite active over on the other site though. Go over there and mention KiPass.... different site, same old reaction.  ;)

Brian

What has the world come to.
This is a Kipass thread right?
Has anyone called to make sure the Capn' is alive?
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: MrPepsi on January 20, 2012, 03:47:19 pm
Yeah I noticed.
THen someone made his year and asked for a comparison between the C14 and the Feejer.
Of course, he wrote a book.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lather on January 20, 2012, 10:50:34 pm
Yeah I noticed.
THen someone made his year and asked for a comparison between the C14 and the Feejer.
Of course, he wrote a book.
Probably broke the Guinness world record for exclaimation marks in a single post too.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 21, 2012, 04:24:01 am
Mentioning Guinness got my attention.. :P    Bob has a right to be touchy on that subject after what he went through.  I miss him here.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Axxman on January 21, 2012, 05:22:43 am
Yeah, Bob is alive and well but doesn't frequent these parts anymore, at least not using any name we would recognize. He is quite active over on the other site though. Go over there and mention KiPass.... different site, same old reaction.  ;)

Brian

So true... Bob could write 4 pages about Kipass all by himself :deadhorse: :rotflmao:

But whatever you do, Don't ask him about Amsoil....
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 21, 2012, 04:40:44 pm
Lolife, what is the name of your dealer, I want to inquire about the spring kit.

If you call them, I'm curious as to what they would say to you.  If you don't mind, would you post how they treated you?  I've had really ups & downs with this dealer.  Problem is they're only a few miles from the house but I've had excellent service & really crappy service out of them & nothing in between.

Surprised you didn't choose 'Halloween' for a handle LOL  ;D ;D

I bet if you show up at the dealer wearing a face mask they will finish your bike a lot sooner....  ;D

Sorry- you are probably more than sick of having your chain pulled about that by now.

Brian

It gets a little old but honestly I've dealt with my entire life. Every debit card purchase & phone call I make where I have to say my name, I get the same Halloween serial killer comments.  I've learned to live with it & make the most out of it.  I usually humor the person & move on.  Only time it gets really annoying is Halloween night.  My home phone blows up with prank calls.  Its my fault b/c I shouldn't have my name in the phone book as Michael Myers anyway.   :D

What's funny is I never get the comedian Mike Myers.  You'd think someone would go all Austin Powers on me but its never happened.   :o
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on January 22, 2012, 05:40:42 am

It gets a little old but honestly I've dealt with my entire life. Every debit card purchase & phone call I make where I have to say my name, I get the same Halloween serial killer comments.  I've learned to live with it & make the most out of it.  I usually humor the person & move on.  Only time it gets really annoying is Halloween night.  My home phone blows up with prank calls.  Its my fault b/c I shouldn't have my name in the phone book as Michael Myers anyway.   :D

What's funny is I never get the comedian Mike Myers.  You'd think someone would go all Austin Powers on me but its never happened.   :o

Well, it could be worse. There's a guy listed in our local phone book named Oral Sexton.  :o  I'm sure that his parents got a big laugh outta that eh? 

For a couple of years there was another listing in the same phone book for a guy named Heywood Jablome, I'm not kidding! I don't know how that one got listed but it's been removed.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 22, 2012, 06:57:54 am
You're right, it could be worse.   :o

I have a friend named Brian Adams, no one cares about ghey rock but I give him a hard time.   ;D

I know someone named Mike Hunt.  No joke, I'm sure his ribbing was a lot worse than mine.   8)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 25, 2012, 04:06:57 pm
I got my Kaw back today.  The dealer installed the spring kit & said to give it a go.  Its working fine right now.   ::)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: MrPepsi on January 25, 2012, 04:22:12 pm
I know someone named Mike Hunt.  No joke, I'm sure his ribbing was a lot worse than mine.   8)

So do I. At least I did in high school, in Oregon.
In grade school my best friend and I both had the initials BJ, so we were known as the BJ brothers.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 25, 2012, 05:46:11 pm
I got my Kaw back today.  The dealer installed the spring kit & said to give it a go.  Its working fine right now.   ::)

Did they give you any details about the spring kit?
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 25, 2012, 05:59:13 pm
Did they give you any details about the spring kit?

Unfortunately no.  They didn't get into any detail other than it was a small bag of springs & they replaced them inside the switch.  There wasn't any service people there when I picked it up so I got the story from the parts guy as I was picking up a filter & oil. 
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: gPink on January 25, 2012, 06:54:30 pm
Ask your parts guy if there was a part # on that small bag of springs.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: rcannon409 on January 25, 2012, 07:44:09 pm
Yes..part number. Is that spring available without a shop putting it in?
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: OCK913 on January 26, 2012, 05:03:22 am
I would think the part # of the spring kit should be on the service invoice .....
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: B.D.F. on January 26, 2012, 06:17:51 am
Springs? More than one? As far as I know, there is only one spring directly under the activation switch.

No part number on the new spring either, Kawasaki is just supplying them. The ignition switch assembly is officially not serviceable so no internal parts are available.

Brian

Unfortunately no.  They didn't get into any detail other than it was a small bag of springs & they replaced them inside the switch.  There wasn't any service people there when I picked it up so I got the story from the parts guy as I was picking up a filter & oil.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on January 26, 2012, 09:19:34 am
I called the service manager this morning.  I'm not trying to open a can of worms, I'm just relaying information.   ;)

He said when I brought my bike in, he placed an order for a new ignition switch & called the verify that Kaw would pay for the repair under warranty b/c he wanted to ensure he'd get paid.  Can't blame the guy for that.   :)

He said that whomever he spoke with at Kaw advised him against replacing the entire switch & said they would send him a pack of springs & they wanted him to replaced the 1 spring inside the keyswitch for the KiPass activiation switch.

He said he received a small ziplock bag with 3 springs in it.  They were all the same spring but they sent a couple extra for other repairs or if he lost 2. 

There wasn't a part number only 3 springs in a small clear ziplock bag.  He took my switch apart, cleaned it, which he said was pretty clean & installed one of the new springs.

If I've been lied to, then he told it.  I believe the guy.  I was a mechanic at a Case construction equipment dealership for 16yrs.  Our service rep not only looked over our warranty claims, sometimes they would provide parts that weren't assigned public part numbers & couldn't be ordered directly from Case but they were in fact available when certain warranty claims were submitted.  His story isn't far fetched to me.

That's about all I know to say. I haven't test ridden it other than home but the weather man says its going to be 60 & sunny on Saturday so my new spring will be getting a test then.   8)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: B.D.F. on January 26, 2012, 10:54:22 am
Makes sense on sending multiple springs. What threw me a bit was the idea that there was more than one spring inside the switch itself.

I was actually agreeing with you regarding the lack of a part number- the new spring does NOT have a part number because it is a 'backdoor' fix from Kawasaki and not anything they want the public to have access to. Officially the ignition switch assembly is not serviceable so having the dealers change a spring inside them is an unusual step.

Best of luck with the repair. The new spring should solve the problem. And thanks for letting us know how the problem was resolved for you, and posting that info.

Brian

I called the service manager this morning.  I'm not trying to open a can of worms, I'm just relaying information.   ;)

He said when I brought my bike in, he placed an order for a new ignition switch & called the verify that Kaw would pay for the repair under warranty b/c he wanted to ensure he'd get paid.  Can't blame the guy for that.   :)

He said that whomever he spoke with at Kaw advised him against replacing the entire switch & said they would send him a pack of springs & they wanted him to replaced the 1 spring inside the keyswitch for the KiPass activiation switch.

He said he received a small ziplock bag with 3 springs in it.  They were all the same spring but they sent a couple extra for other repairs or if he lost 2. 

There wasn't a part number only 3 springs in a small clear ziplock bag.  He took my switch apart, cleaned it, which he said was pretty clean & installed one of the new springs.

If I've been lied to, then he told it.  I believe the guy.  I was a mechanic at a Case construction equipment dealership for 16yrs.  Our service rep not only looked over our warranty claims, sometimes they would provide parts that weren't assigned public part numbers & couldn't be ordered directly from Case but they were in fact available when certain warranty claims were submitted.  His story isn't far fetched to me.

That's about all I know to say. I haven't test ridden it other than home but the weather man says its going to be 60 & sunny on Saturday so my new spring will be getting a test then.   8)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: roadPilot on February 04, 2012, 11:14:53 pm
Well, it could be worse. There's a guy listed in our local phone book named Oral Sexton.  :o  I'm sure that his parents got a big laugh outta that eh? 

For a couple of years there was another listing in the same phone book for a guy named Heywood Jablome, I'm not kidding! I don't know how that one got listed but it's been removed.

You do know that the phone company will let you list your number with a different name (versus what's on the bill), right? 

I highly doubt Oral's parents got a laugh, as I highly doubt Oral Sexton existed.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on February 05, 2012, 06:06:15 am
You do know that the phone company will let you list your number with a different name (versus what's on the bill), right? 

I highly doubt Oral's parents got a laugh, as I highly doubt Oral Sexton existed.


Really?

http://pipl.com/directory/name/Sexton/Oral/ (http://pipl.com/directory/name/Sexton/Oral/)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: roadPilot on February 05, 2012, 08:34:54 am
I stand corrected. That would suck today (pun intended).

But I still don't agree that parents named thier kids that 70-80 years ago (see the listings), or even if they did now, to laugh at them. 
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on February 05, 2012, 08:46:19 am
I stand corrected. That would suck today (pun intended).

But I still don't agree that parents named thier kids that 70-80 years ago (see the listings), or even if they did now, to laugh at them.

I wasn't serious when I said that his parents got a good laugh out of this, that was a bit of sarcasm...  ::)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: sqwuch on February 14, 2012, 04:32:55 pm
It's still amazing after all this time the Kipass issue is still happening
I was one of the first to have the problem, stuck 20 miles south of Hanksville UT.  A big part of the problem with this advanced system is that it can be fritzed by a fine grain of sand.  I am pretty sure this is what happened to me as there was a significant dusty crosswind for 150+ miles before it happened.  Finally banging it a few times and a couple  of other sticks it finally loosened.
I haven't had such issue since -- but also my wanting to go cross country has been compromised.  Like other who have reported the passing switch gets wet and activates -- knowing that the older models had this switch directly in the rain this should of affected a water proof switch.
Had they used a magnetic switch  I'm betting sand, duct or any other particulate wouldn't jam it.
All in all, the cracked fairing under the mirrors, the scratches have been put there with big smiles.  I with the TPS had batteries, I wish the display not only had Air temp but road temp sensing and a stealth mode because 1 ticket every 18 months is tough.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 14, 2012, 05:02:56 pm
I went across country in 2010.  No issues with the KIPASS system.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: ZG on February 14, 2012, 06:17:27 pm
Love the K-Rock avatar SQ!  ;D 
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 15, 2012, 03:59:11 am
No you don't.  It's not black.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on February 15, 2012, 04:47:13 am
No you don't.  It's not black.

Get it powder coated.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Supatramp on February 15, 2012, 10:39:57 am
I went across country in 2010.  No issues with the KIPASS system.

I went in 2011 and did.
Guess I should'a gone sooner  :-*
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: ZG on February 15, 2012, 10:45:01 am
No you don't.  It's not black.

Get it powder coated.

 8) :thumbs:
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 15, 2012, 10:47:47 am
I went in 2011 and did.
Guess I should'a gone sooner  :-*

That's probably it.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 15, 2012, 07:18:43 pm
Bad JuJu here...  Had a switch failure.  First time in about three years.  Went out to start it up after I had rode to a client's location and zilch, nada, nothing.  Pressed down and totally blank screen.  Started knocking it about and it finally came to life.  Will give it a good clean around the switch area tomorrow.  Drove it into the garage, let it sit, and tried it again.  No problems.  Hopefully I'm good for another three now.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Unclesteve on February 15, 2012, 07:48:40 pm
I don't care to remove the stove pipe key. This is easier and when fueling I use it for the gas cap. I made two, one for each saddle bag. I just remove them if I need security.

Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Unclesteve on February 15, 2012, 07:51:24 pm
This so I reduce the chance of being run over by an HUA driver.

Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on February 15, 2012, 07:52:37 pm
I like that extra tail light.  Now just black out those screw heads and it will be perfect.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Unclesteve on February 15, 2012, 08:01:57 pm
This is a must, why did Kawasaki leave it off?

Worth the time it takes...

Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 16, 2012, 04:41:00 am
Ok, guys, back on topic, please.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: stlheadake on February 16, 2012, 12:15:32 pm
So is KiPass failure all or nothing?  You either get power or nothing?  I'm just curious because I'm having an issue, but I don't think it is KiPass.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on February 16, 2012, 12:18:31 pm
So is KiPass failure all or nothing?  You either get power or nothing?  I'm just curious because I'm having an issue, but I don't think it is KiPass.

Yes, you're correct. If the activation switch is stuck you get nothing but aggravation.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 16, 2012, 12:28:18 pm
Assuming the switch failure occurs within 24 hours of the last start, the red blinky light should be on, which is indication of power of some sort. 
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: B.D.F. on February 16, 2012, 04:08:16 pm
Yes, a KiPass failure is almost certainly an outright failure and early too- right away in the starting process. If the dash lights and / or the bike makes any kind of noises at all, then KiPass is working fine. Unfortunately the symptoms of a KiPass failure and a dead battery are the same other than the red light flashing on the dash and that light only flashes for the first 24 hours after the bike is turned off anyway. So after a day goes by, a KiPass failure has the identical symptoms to a dead battery (the main battery)- you press the key down and absolutely nothing happens.

Brian

So is KiPass failure all or nothing?  You either get power or nothing?  I'm just curious because I'm having an issue, but I don't think it is KiPass.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: pdlt on February 16, 2012, 06:48:32 pm
So if I am reading this thread correctly, Kawa replaced a spring on later model bikes?  What year did they make the switch, and has there been any issues on bikes with the beefier spring?  Just curious.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Pokey on February 16, 2012, 09:04:18 pm
So far not even a hiccup from KIPASS on my 2008.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: B.D.F. on February 16, 2012, 09:59:21 pm
It seems that no one outside of Kawasaki knows. Here is what we do know: there were some instances of the activation switch sticking 'ON' (down) on C-14s made in '08 and '09 and perhaps later. There was a change of the part number on the ignition switch assembly between Gen.1 and Gen.2 bikes (2009 ends Gen. 1, 2010 starts Gen. 2) but it is not known what was changed. The sticking switch problem seems to have occurred less on later years but has turned up on Gen. 2 bikes all the way to 2011 if I remember correctly. I <assume> Kawasaki is using the stiffer spring on the current ignition assemblies but again, no information is available that I have seen to indicate exactly what was changed or when.

When a C-14 does have the sticking switch problem, Kawasaki supplies the dealer with a stronger spring and pays for the labor to R&R the switch assembly and replace that spring. The spring does not have a part number nor is it available as a separate part to customers / owners of C-14s.

Sorry but that is the best information I have and it is not very conclusive.

Brian


So if I am reading this thread correctly, Kawa replaced a spring on later model bikes?  What year did they make the switch, and has there been any issues on bikes with the beefier spring?  Just curious.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 04:44:32 am
So far not even a hiccup from KIPASS on my 2008.

Of course you know this will now happen to you.  I hope not, but making a statement like that can upset balance in the Force.  I made a statement earlier in this thread and bingo bango it happened to me shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Supatramp on February 17, 2012, 09:58:12 am
So far not even a hiccup from KIPASS on my 2008.

Mine waited till I was over 1700 miles from home  >:(
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: mkorn on February 17, 2012, 10:03:23 am
this is my fear ... as i am taking it down to bike week ... long ways from home.  /crosses-fingers
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: MGvalerio on February 17, 2012, 10:26:58 am
Come in altro Thread... ho scritto.. ,questo sistema d'accensione della moto lo devono buttare via in Kawasaki... altro difetto di detto meccanismo è che sono riuscito e senza transponder e senza premere su chiave accensione a fare partire il motore del GTR 1400 Kawasaki.


MGvalerio. ::)
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Pokey on February 17, 2012, 03:11:39 pm
I aint skeered!!!!!
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 03:13:38 pm
Neither am I , actually, and it just happened to me.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: MrPepsi on February 17, 2012, 03:17:30 pm
You guys who are chicken to take long distance rides for fear of KiPass issues better not drive, fly or cross the street either. Those could get you kilt, not just stranded.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: lolife on February 17, 2012, 04:54:12 pm
What y'all are forgetting, is if the KiPass does fail, by passing the switch is easy. 

The LH panel on top of the fairing is very easy to remove & then you can easily unplug & plug the grey connector & activate the KiPass.  I done this on a number of times when my switch "stuck".  I even had to show the dealer which plug so they could move my bike around until they repaired the switch.

I wouldn't be afraid to take mine anywhere & I've had a KiPass failure. 
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: TJ on April 07, 2013, 02:17:36 am
Any chance you could take a photo of the plug for the rest of us? You just unplug and replug and then are good to go?
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on April 07, 2013, 05:26:47 am
Any chance you could take a photo of the plug for the rest of us? You just unplug and replug and then are good to go?


See this thread for pics and a remedy made by BDF.  http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841)

If you had a Kipass switch failure you can unplug and then replug the gray connector on the left side (the connector is in the pics above) (the gauges should sweep just as if you pressed in the key while your switch was not malfunctioning) and you should be able to turn the key if you do it within 5 seconds. If you miss the 5 second window you will have to unplug and replug again.

If your bike is not starting for some other reason, this won’t work.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Riverdawg on April 07, 2013, 07:12:54 am
I had this "KIPASS" experience the first week I had the bike. On Sunday, stopped to fuel the bike and went to start up. Click....message "IMMOBILIZER ERROR", then nothing. Several tries  result in either "IMMOBILIZER ERROR" or nothing. After about 50 tries, give up, call the wife to bring the truck, load it up and take it home. At home, trying to decide to leave it loaded and take to dealer during the week, or take it off and check it out. Electrician in me can't stand it, so I unload it and push it in garage to check it out.  Pull the covers and pull out the battery, the negative post is finger loose and covered with white grease (good thing if it was tight). Tightened up and problem gone. No more problems since then.
But, this and reading all the posts make me leery. Check out spare fob key, works fine when placed in correct position. Bought a spare spare FOB and get it programmmed, works fine. To see if the big fob would work with a dead battery, I remove the battery and try it like the spare fob.

I get a "SUBKEY ID ERROR" which according to the shop manual means " The sub-key of the other motorcycle is used or the transponder is not registered"-action or remark- "Check that the serial numbers of the FOB key and KIPASS ECU are agreement".

 Don't understand why big FOB works in RF mode but fails using the chip only. Side note, Chip in big fob is in the plastic cover, not on the circuit board inside the FOB.

Just like my vehicles with regular keys, I keep a spare FOB with key secured on the bike to prevent stranding in case I were to get separated from my main FOB.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on April 07, 2013, 08:04:15 am
I had this "KIPASS" experience the first week I had the bike. On Sunday, stopped to fuel the bike and went to start up. Click....message "IMMOBILIZER ERROR", then nothing. Several tries  result in either "IMMOBILIZER ERROR" or nothing. After about 50 tries, give up, call the wife to bring the truck, load it up and take it home. At home, trying to decide to leave it loaded and take to dealer during the week, or take it off and check it out. Electrician in me can't stand it, so I unload it and push it in garage to check it out.  Pull the covers and pull out the battery, the negative post is finger loose and covered with white grease (good thing if it was tight). Tightened up and problem gone. No more problems since then.
But, this and reading all the posts make me leery. Check out spare fob key, works fine when placed in correct position. Bought a spare spare FOB and get it programmmed, works fine. To see if the big fob would work with a dead battery, I remove the battery and try it like the spare fob.

I get a "SUBKEY ID ERROR" which according to the shop manual means " The sub-key of the other motorcycle is used or the transponder is not registered"-action or remark- "Check that the serial numbers of the FOB key and KIPASS ECU are agreement".

 Don't understand why big FOB works in RF mode but fails using the chip only. Side note, Chip in big fob is in the plastic cover, not on the circuit board inside the FOB.

Just like my vehicles with regular keys, I keep a spare FOB with key secured on the bike to prevent stranding in case I were to get separated from my main FOB.

The first part of your problem with the "IMMOBILIZER ERROR" was not a issue with the stuck Kipass activation switch. If when you press in the key and the gauges sweep, the switch is ok. That's not to say that if the gauges do not sweep that it's the switch for sure, it may be or it may not be. But if the gauges do sweep, the switch is ok.

From what you're saying in the second part of your problem it sounds to me like when you had your bike programmed to 'see' the extra fob that you bought that the bike was not reprogrammed to 'see' the 'chip only' section of the larger fob. I think that your dealer screwed that part up.

See this attachment for more info. Look on page 3 and read the section on Key Fobs.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Riverdawg on April 07, 2013, 12:19:17 pm
Conrad,
The loose battery connection was the culprit with the first incident and the "IMMOBILIZER ERROR". I read thru the service notice pdf ypu posted and figured out what else happened. I went back and checked my original spare  little fob and it too gives a "SUBKEY ERROR" like the big FOB with no battery.  The service bulletin specifically describes that when a FOB is added, all FOBs must be re-registered. It appears FOBs must be registered twice, once under the "Additional registration" and again under "Immobilizer Key Registration" along with all other FOBS big or small. The document gives the example of a new transmitting FOB programming, mine was a new spare non-transmitting FOB.  It says the first procedure registers the transmitter  function, the second registers the transponder function (chip). Any FOB not registered with the "Immobilizer Key Registration", will not function, like my spare and the original big fob without a battery. I will  get this straightened out this week.
Another note, if you buy a FOB, either kind, it is useless without the code number that comes with it from the factory

Thank you very much for taking the time to post the pdf bulletin. My dealer didn't even know that the little fob had a chip in it and it had to be programmed. One of the guys in the parts department asked why I paid $40 for a little key holder that didn't even come with a key. I'll take a print out in Tuesday so I can convince them to fix all my FOBs.
Title: Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure
Post by: Conrad on April 08, 2013, 04:24:53 am
You're welcome RD, I hope that your dealer gets you fixed up.