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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Bosco on February 17, 2012, 03:26:40 am

Title: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Bosco on February 17, 2012, 03:26:40 am
Glad you got it started :)

...  I have a very limited number of KiPass activation switch bypass harnesses and will be putting them up for sale shortly. Not as elegant as a K-rock perhaps but a lot faster and easier. ......

I will take one of the switches please. Put me on the list.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 04:17:56 am
Brian, after the last several threads on this subject, I think you'll sell all you can make.  I want one as well.  I've only had two instances (one a few days ago) of the stuck switch, but I would like the insurance.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 04:33:10 am
I would be shocked if that worked on a 2011.

I wouldn't.  It's the same mechanism.  However, I am hoping that Kwak has put the 'improved'  spring in the later models to prevent this issue from happening.  I think we've had anecdotal evidence that it occurred on a '10.  Don't remember the outcome, though.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 04:52:11 am
Brian to the rescue! Well done Brian.

Hey Jim, we need a sticky with Brian's emergency kipass activation method in it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 05:03:35 am
Not yet.  If I do sticky that info it will be in the Wiki area with a hot link in the Accessory area.  When Brian puts up his wiring harness for sale, I'll sticky that in the Accessory forum for awhile so that the general membership can see it.   I'll also put it in the Industry member area.  So there will be multiple links to the information in the future.

We had something like that in the first forum.  Thinking more about that I may start cobbling together something soon.  Brian had a wonderful thread on how to troubleshoot the no start but I think it was in the first forum..  Off a searching I will go.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: OCK913 on February 17, 2012, 05:08:30 am
I have a very limited number of KiPass activation switch bypass harnesses and will be putting them up for sale shortly. Not as elegant as a K-rock perhaps but a lot faster and easier. Brian

Let me know when you are ready to sell them, I would be interested in one.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: B.D.F. on February 17, 2012, 06:31:41 am
Great- glad that it saved you a tow. You can actually finish your vacation still using the bike- leave the top cover off and unplug / reconnect that connector whenever you need to start the bike. It is a pain but at least you will not have to abandon your trip.

Brian

Brian -- You NAILED it!!! I was able to get the motorcycle running this evening using the steps that you outlined. Tomorrow I will ride to the dealer in San Diego and get the motorcycle fixed. Yes, I will have to cancel the rest of my ride, but at least I get to ride my motorcycle to be fixed rather than have it towed!!

To the doubters: My offer stands. Anytime anyone would like to come by my house for dinner, coffee, or tire kicking, or if anyone needs a place to stay while riding, please get in touch.

Again Brian, thank you!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: lather on February 17, 2012, 07:05:15 am
I have a very limited number of KiPass activation switch bypass harnesses and will be putting them up for sale shortly.
If this is a plug and play bypass I want one please.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on February 17, 2012, 07:07:21 am
I would also like a bypass wiring kit.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: ang on February 17, 2012, 07:21:23 am
Brian, put me down for a switch.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: basmntdweller on February 17, 2012, 07:32:47 am
If you are keeping a list Brian, I want a bypass harness too.

Matt
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: gPink on February 17, 2012, 07:59:12 am
ditto
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: ljcorby on February 17, 2012, 08:57:06 am
same here.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 09:18:44 am
Whatcha makin Brian? A harness that plugs in between the two connectors under the left side that incorporates a switch?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: The Pope on February 17, 2012, 11:38:13 am
I think a little cutting is required.  ::)  Kind of a gray area.  ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 12:00:40 pm
I think a little cutting is required.  ::)  Kind of a gray area.  ::)

No cutting required if Brian is doing what I think he's doing.

If you made a wiring harness with the mating connectors to the connectors under the left side panel with a switch on the correct wire, once that harness is in place, you could just flip the switch in the event of a kipass activation switch stickage.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 17, 2012, 12:07:52 pm
Im in on a kit.  Thanks
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 17, 2012, 12:28:04 pm
No cutting or alterations to the bike required. This is also a totally reversible addition that can be removed in a few minutes and leave the bike as it was the day it left the factory.

Check the other post for photos and a brief explantion.

Brian

I think a little cutting is required.  ::)  Kind of a gray area.  ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 12:38:39 pm
No cutting or alterations to the bike required. This is also a totally reversible addition that can be removed in a few minutes and leave the bike as it was the day it left the factory.

Check the other post for photos and a brief explantion.

Brian

Which thread is that?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Son of Pappy on February 17, 2012, 12:40:47 pm
Brian, the sales profits WILL be put towards a PnP cruise, right?  Everyone knows that KIPASS issues will eventually lead ya down the huggie path ;D  How is Cap'n Fob doing?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: The Pope on February 17, 2012, 12:44:34 pm
Which thread is that?

Yes, which thread?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 17, 2012, 12:46:02 pm
Almost perfect Conrad. The only thing you missed was the switch- I am using a removable fuse instead of a switch because it is more reliable, and I am looking for the ultimate in reliability here, and it will only be used rarely. Plus a fuse holder is much easier to be absolutely sure it is weatherproof. I can offer the harness with a waterproof switch but I cannot guarantee the switch's reliability and the last thing I wanted to do was to introduce yet another piece of electronics into this chain that is not 100% reliable. After all, it is a switch failure that causes the problem in the first place so I do not believe adding another switch to the circuit is the best way to go (and either switch failing will cause a starting failure as they are in series and of opposite operation).

So here is the deal: the sub harness is exactly like an extension cord, you simply open the factory connector and place the new harness in-line. The sub harness has a pig tail that contains a fuse- should the activation switch fail or stick 'ON' as does occasionally happen, simply remove and reinsert the fuse and KiPass will activate (exactly as it does when you press down on the ignition key).

NOTE: you will still need a functioning fob to start the bike! This harness DOES NOT by pass KiPass, only the KiPass activation switch. This harness cannot be used to replace a lost / broken fob or steal a C-14. This by pass does address the only problem that KiPass has ever had, to the best of my knowledge, 100% of the time though and cannot fail to work around a stuck switch.

This product is made in the USA from the best components available. The connectors themselves are Japanese. Price is not yet determined but I will post it shortly. Price was not the object of this endeavor though, ultimate reliability and quality were.

A few photos:

The sub- harness itself:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/KiPass%20Sub%20Harness/Sub-harnesssealed.jpg)

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/KiPass%20Sub%20Harness/Sub-harnessw-fuse.jpg)

The stock connector on a C-14:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/KiPass%20Sub%20Harness/Stockconnector.jpg)

The sub- harness installed into the bike's harness:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/KiPass%20Sub%20Harness/Sub-harnessinstalled.jpg)

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/KiPass%20Sub%20Harness/Sub-Harnessinstalled2.jpg)

And, of course, this product is fully endorsed by Kirby. In fact, it is the second generation of Kirby's KiPass Korrection Kit.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/KiPass%20Sub%20Harness/Sub-Harnessw-Kirby.jpg)

Brian

Whatcha makin Brian? A harness that plugs in between the two connectors under the left side that incorporates a switch?

Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 17, 2012, 12:46:50 pm
This same thread, just a bit further down than your post.

Brian

Which thread is that?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 01:03:45 pm
Nicely done Brian.    :thumbs:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: marku8a on February 17, 2012, 01:36:44 pm
Please count me in.

Mark
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: seajay on February 17, 2012, 01:46:32 pm
Please add me to the list.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 02:01:10 pm
Seems the demand is quite strong so far...  :thumbs:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: CigarSki® on February 17, 2012, 02:52:34 pm
I'm still wiating for the plug&play fully electronic cruise control... ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: JhVenezuela on February 17, 2012, 03:14:46 pm
count me in.

Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Bosco on February 17, 2012, 03:17:09 pm
Awesome job.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 03:19:13 pm
Endorsed by Kirby? How can one go wrong, add my name to the list, dependant on pricing.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 03:21:20 pm
Endorsed by Kirby? How can one go wrong, add my name to the list, dependant on pricing.

Dependent on pricing?  It can't be that much......can it?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 03:25:54 pm
Dependent on pricing?  It can't be that much......can it?

I wouldn't think so but Kirby does need a new pair of shoes, so who knows?    :P
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on February 17, 2012, 03:29:00 pm
Is it possible to use the poll feature as a counter we can click so Brian has an accurate count on how many of these he might need ?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Axxman on February 17, 2012, 03:30:40 pm
I would like one as well ;D

Jay
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 03:33:34 pm
Is it possible to use the poll feature as a counter we can click so Brian has an accurate count on how many of these he might need ?

It's possible and it's a good idea.  Unfortunately, it wants two buttons instead of just one.  So go to voting but don't press the second button.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 03:37:12 pm
I wonder what happens if I press the button that says don't press this button?    ;D
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 03:38:07 pm
You get thumped.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: wally_games on February 17, 2012, 03:38:18 pm
That, my friends, is a thing of beauty!

I still have a question for everyone that's ever had a KiPass issue. What model year do you have that failed? I wish everyone that posted that theirs stuck would start their post with that tidbit of info.

When did Kawasaki change to a stronger spring? Wondering if my '11 has the beefier one.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on February 17, 2012, 03:40:24 pm
You get thumped.
And billed for all the kits.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 03:43:05 pm
And billed for all the kits.

I like that as well.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 17, 2012, 03:44:54 pm
That, my friends, is a thing of beauty!

I still have a question for everyone that's ever had a KiPass issue. What model year do you have that failed? I wish everyone that posted that theirs stuck would start their post with that tidbit of info.

When did Kawasaki change to a stronger spring? Wondering if my '11 has the beefier one.

Mine is an early '08 (early August '07).  We started hearing something about a spring over a year ago, I think.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 17, 2012, 03:45:18 pm
Good think that I didn't press the wrong button!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: ang on February 17, 2012, 04:15:36 pm
I need this before my once a year long road trip in three weeks! Peace of mind, priceless! Within reason of course.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: CigarSki® on February 17, 2012, 04:38:56 pm
Kipass is infallible!  ;D
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: koval68 on February 17, 2012, 05:28:26 pm
Count me in, Brian!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 17, 2012, 07:44:11 pm
No, it is not too much. In fact I can say with certainty that I am willing to accept whatever amount it takes to provide each of you with the finest KiPass activation switch bypass system yet known to the world.  ;D

Tranquility. Security. Absolute confidence that your vehicle will bring you back from wherever you happen to go. You wouldn’t think you could put a price on something like that but it turns out that you can- and that price is $50 US, including delivery via US Priority shipping in the continental US. That price even includes a genuine Bussman 15 amp fuse. For anyone outside the continental US contact me via e-mail and I will quote a price including delivery. Included with each harness are at least three (3) genuine Kirby hairs (hey, he is the shipping dept.).

I have a few harnesses ready but am not yet set up to receive funds from PayPal; that should be ready by the end of next week. I will post when the arrangements are made.

To anyone who wants to re-think buying one of these now that the price is known, I understand completely. It really was not fair to post the availability of the product without posting a price but I did not yet know what all of the components cost.

Brian




Dependent on pricing?  It can't be that much......can it?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Bosco on February 17, 2012, 09:50:25 pm
I still want one count me in. PM me your address and I will send a check if that is what you want.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: seajay on February 18, 2012, 07:27:12 am
I still want one count me in. PM me your address and I will send a check if that is what you want.

+1
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 18, 2012, 07:36:23 am
Brian, will you take a shrubbery?


Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 18, 2012, 07:47:31 am
Brian, will you take a shrubbery?


I say Ni to you knight! Ni!!!

Monty Python-The knights who say Ni!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbtcmjfKa8#)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 18, 2012, 08:38:30 am
I wanted to add that but my bandwidth is severely constrained at the moment and I'm being blocked by a firewall...  I have updated my avatar accordingly.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: overlord on February 18, 2012, 09:32:34 am
 great peice of mind   count me in...
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 18, 2012, 10:31:16 am
I am definitely still in, peace of mind miles from home is worth it.   I may have missed it but I am assuming you can access the fuse w/o removing the black panel?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 18, 2012, 11:35:35 am
Yep, shrubbery is perfectly acceptable although it must be a specific genus such as the example shown here:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/Acceptableshrubs.jpg)

And not just one but five (5) of the above shown shrubs are required. For this you get unlimited piece of mind and endless serenity.

Brian


Brian, will you take a shrubbery?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 18, 2012, 11:41:04 am
Yes- the pigtail with the fuse is simply tucked under that black panel until you need it- then you just reach under, pull out the fuse holder and remove the fuse cover and fuse. Replacing the fuse will initiate the LCD and KiPass. You can actually do it while sitting on the bike and the fuse can be removed / replaced with only one hand. Also, if you will be starting the bike a few times the fuse cover can actually be left off until the ign. is fixed so that it is easier and faster to get to the fuse. The fuse can be left hanging without any risk as it cannot hang down far enough to cause any trouble. Again, once the ign. is repaired the cover would be put back on and the fuse holder again tucked up under that black cover.

By the way, you could attach the fuse holder cover to the black panel with some double faced tape but I would not recommend it as that would make it more difficult to access when / if you ever need to, especially in the dark.

Brian


I am definitely still in, peace of mind miles from home is worth it.   I may have missed it but I am assuming you can access the fuse w/o removing the black panel?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 18, 2012, 11:50:19 am
I have 10 harnesses ready to ship. More will be available next week but I can get these out right away. Please e-mail me to give me your name and address as well as setting up payment. The folks that already stated that they wanted one will get the harnesses from the first batch.

bdfelice<at>cox<dot>net

I was really not prepared to start selling these yet and so have not had the opportunity to try them on any 2nd generation C-14s (2010 and later) I believe they will fit and work the same as there is no change to the schematic but as I have not personally verified this I want to pass along to any late C-14 owners who may want to buy one. I would really like someone with a 2010 or later model to try one out and let me know that it does work.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions or amusing stories. Kirby really likes an amusing story.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Bosco on February 18, 2012, 12:12:00 pm
e-mail sent.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: OCK913 on February 18, 2012, 02:09:17 pm
me too
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: C14_Rider on February 18, 2012, 02:30:15 pm
So just to make sure I have this right -- if I don't get the harness, and I have the problem, I can remove the left side black panel and disconnect/reconnect the gray connector, start it immediately, and I'm good to go.  Then presumably I would go to the dealer and they would replace the spring, and it should not happen again.  Right?

Has anyone gone to a dealer to see if they would replace the spring on a pre-emptive basis since it's a known issue and they must have a TSB or some communication from Kawi on it?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 18, 2012, 03:00:41 pm
Yes, exactly right. You can open / reconnect the gray connector and it will accomplish the exact same thing as using my harness. Further, you can cut and splice a fuse holder, or switch, into the bike's harness and have the same effective performance that my harness provides. I worked out how to do that very thing way back in the early days of the C-14 and posted that info., along with photos, on this very forum at least as early as '08 (might have been '07). What my harness offers is an easy, neat and unobtrusive way to get into the activation circuit without taking anything apart (after installing it of course) and being able to return the bike to fully stock; that can't happen if the wiring is spliced.

No matter what method is used, once the activation switch is sticking the only way to fix it is to take the ignition switch assembly apart, free up the original switch or replace the assembly. Kawasaki does the former and further installs a heavier spring to help alleviate the problem in the future. I would assume they are using this new, heavier spring in the later model bikes but we have seen 2011 models suffer from the same stuck activation switch as the original '08s.

To the best of my knowledge, Kawasaki is fixing sticking activation switches only after they actually stick and will not act preemptively. That said, everyone can check with his / her dealer to see if something can be done before that switch sticks.

And as always, there are plenty of references to KiPass on this forum: some real, a lot imagined and almost all of them humorous in some way or other.

Brian



So just to make sure I have this right -- if I don't get the harness, and I have the problem, I can remove the left side black panel and disconnect/reconnect the gray connector, start it immediately, and I'm good to go.  Then presumably I would go to the dealer and they would replace the spring, and it should not happen again.  Right?

Has anyone gone to a dealer to see if they would replace the spring on a pre-emptive basis since it's a known issue and they must have a TSB or some communication from Kawi on it?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 18, 2012, 04:38:11 pm
Email sent.  Thanks for the additional info. 
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 19, 2012, 06:44:15 am
Yes- the pigtail with the fuse is simply tucked under that black panel if you need it- then you just reach under, pull out the fuse holder and remove the fuse cover and fuse. Replacing the fuse will initiate the LCD and KiPass. You can actually do it while sitting on the bike and the fuse can be removed / replaced with only one hand. Also, if you will be starting the bike a few times the fuse cover can actually be left off until the ign. is fixed so that it is easier and faster to get to the fuse. The fuse can be left hanging without any risk as it cannot hang down far enough to cause any trouble. Again, once the ign. is repaired the cover would be put back on and the fuse holder again tucked up under that black cover.

By the way, you could attach the fuse holder cover to the black panel with some double faced tape but I would not recommend it as that would make it more difficult to access when / if you ever need to, especially in the dark.

Brian

A minor fix was in order Brian.     ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 19, 2012, 07:09:30 am
Absolutely true, KiPass is highly reliable. Then again, how many cars suffer a flat tire..... and how many carry spare tires?  ;)

Brian

A minor fix was in order Brian.     ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 19, 2012, 07:13:19 am
Absolutely true, KiPass is highly reliable. Then again, how many cars suffer a flat tire..... and how many carry spare tires? ;)

Brian

Quite a few of us, actually..
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 19, 2012, 07:17:21 am
Quite a few of us, actually..

But two spares Jim? That's a bit much don't you think?    ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 19, 2012, 09:18:53 am
Sigh...
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 94gixxerod on February 19, 2012, 10:08:55 am
I'm in, as well.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Kirby on February 19, 2012, 11:25:40 am
Hey, I originally wanted to use at least four in series but Brian thought that was a tad too much. I think it sort of looks like a halo on me....

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/4Timesasgood.jpg)

Kirby

But two spares Jim? That's a bit much don't you think?    ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 20, 2012, 07:41:08 am
The first batch is spoken for and will ship tomorrow, 21 Feb. If I missed anyone I apologize but it got a little fast and furious on my end with both e-mails and private mails coming in. Please let me know and I will have additional harnesses by the end of this week.

For those who purchased the harnesses, thank you and I hope you find it to be a quality product that works well. If you have any trouble with installation just contact me and we can work through it.

If anyone else wants one of these harnesses, I will have more by the end of this week. E-mail me and you can get in on the next batch.

Thanks again,
Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 23, 2012, 05:03:52 pm
Got mine today Brian.  Thanks.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 23, 2012, 06:28:40 pm
Great. I believe you are the very first person to get one. Let me know how it works for you and if you have any questions or problems just let me know.

Brian

Got mine today Brian.  Thanks.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 94gixxerod on February 24, 2012, 07:28:42 am
Brian, received mine, as well.  Looks like a quality product. Will install this next week, after I get my bike out of the shop. I hope to never need to use the feature, but
thanks for the peace of mind!
Tim
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 24, 2012, 11:36:36 am
Brian,
I rolled the bike out of the garage and about 30 minutes later the Bypass was installed and tested.  The instructions were outstanding and the install was very easy.  I decided to remove the windshield since it only takes a couple minutes because the push/pull pin was not cooperating with the re-install.  That was the hardest part of the entire process.  Here are a few photos of the install.  I used a little velcro and attached the Bypass to the lip of the black panel on the backside for easy access.  I need to remember to add an extra fuse in the road bag just in case.  I know Kipass failures are minimal but I did not want to be on the side of the road taking things apart on a vacation in unfamiliar areas.  This can literally be used as a quick fix solution to get you back on the road in a matter of seconds.  I am guessing that the 50.00 price may have scared a couple guys off but it is well worth it for the peace of mind.  Kipass was the biggest fear that I had while on vacation and this eliminates that now.  Thanks for making a plug and play component.

Plug is inside the large black rubber cover
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/DSC02799.jpg)
Gray connector exposed as well as the front accessory leads
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/DSC02800.jpg)
Installed and ready to be tested
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/DSC02802.jpg)
Plenty of wire to access the fuse
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/DSC02808.jpg)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 24, 2012, 03:05:34 pm
Thanks for the kind words and glad to hear a 'field report'.

The velcro is an excellent idea and will be incorporated into future versions; sorry I did not think of it to all of you first generation harness owners. You can pick up a small square of self adhesive 'hook and loop' fastener readily though at almost any retail store.

One minor correction though- you will never need a spare fuse for that harness. The fuse is only being used as a way to break / make contact and is far too big to ever be opened in that circuit. The circuit itself is protected by a fuse already on the bike, and much lower in current rating than the one supplied in the harness.

Brian

Brian,
I rolled the bike out of the garage and about 30 minutes later the Bypass was installed and tested.  The instructions were outstanding and the install was very easy.  I decided to remove the windshield since it only takes a couple minutes because the push/pull pin was not cooperating with the re-install.  That was the hardest part of the entire process.  Here are a few photos of the install.  I used a little velcro and attached the Bypass to the lip of the black panel on the backside for easy access.  I need to remember to add an extra fuse in the road bag just in case.  I know Kipass failures are minimal but I did not want to be on the side of the road taking things apart on a vacation in unfamiliar areas.  This can literally be used as a quick fix solution to get you back on the road in a matter of seconds.  I am guessing that the 50.00 price may have scared a couple guys off but it is well worth it for the peace of mind.  Kipass was the biggest fear that I had while on vacation and this eliminates that now.  Thanks for making a plug and play component.

<snipped photos>

Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 24, 2012, 03:08:42 pm
Gotcha, if I recall it is a 10A on the 2009 models.  I may still pack one in case my club hands lose it in the process of trying to break the circuit, hopefully I will never have to be in that position.  If it can happen I seem to be the guy who has the bad experience.  I actually taped up the hole for my windscreen mechanism during the install so the push/pull pin could not fall through so that explains where my mindset is.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on February 24, 2012, 04:14:57 pm
Mine arrived today and I'm very pleased with it. The instructions are excellent and the part is very well made.  Installation is no big deal at all due to these pics and excellent instructions. Thank You!  It evne caused my wife to ask, "What the hell is THAT?"
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: ang on February 24, 2012, 05:40:46 pm
Arrived and installed. Nice product, very well made. Thanks, Brian!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Bosco on February 24, 2012, 06:42:15 pm
I got mine today also. I will install tomorrow and take some pics.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: koval68 on February 24, 2012, 08:03:58 pm
Arrived and installed. Nice product, very well made. Thanks, Brian!
Lucky you! Still waiting for mine.......and I think CSIS is watching my house :o  ;D
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: ang on February 24, 2012, 08:56:49 pm
Tom, I went over the border to pick it up, that's why it was so fast?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: koval68 on February 25, 2012, 05:50:59 am
Tom, I went over the border to pick it up, that's why it was so fast?
That explains! I'm sure my package will be arriving"repackaged by Customs" ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: seajay on February 25, 2012, 07:19:27 am
Received mine yesterday, and hope to install today. I'll report back if I run across any problems, but I'm not expecting any given the detailed instructions.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 25, 2012, 08:12:58 am
I'll be putting mine on today.  Very detailed instructions, Brian.  Excellent work!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: timbo on February 25, 2012, 04:33:45 pm
Brian, got mine today and installed it. Just to let you know, yes it works on my 2011. Thanks!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Bosco on February 25, 2012, 06:35:26 pm
I installed mine today. Great instructions. Sorry no pics.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 25, 2012, 07:50:22 pm
Thanks for the feedback and the kind words folks. Glad to hear that everyone got them installed without any difficulty.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 25, 2012, 07:53:49 pm
Yeah, I had to sign a customs document swearing that the package did NOT contain (amongst many other things) any oleo or butter products. (!!) What's up with that? Don't you Canadians like butter? Needless to say that I took the butter out of the package before shipping it- good thing I read the restrictions, eh?

 :D

Not sure exactly what that thing is going to look like on an X- ray machine but you may have to explain yourself. 'No, it is just a harness.... really!'

Brian


Lucky you! Still waiting for mine.......and I think CSIS is watching my house :o  ;D
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: OCK913 on February 25, 2012, 09:41:20 pm
I received mine and although I have not installed it yet, I am not anticipating any issues at all. I must say that this is about as OEM as a non-OEM product can possibly by.......... Excellent job sourcing the harnesses!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on March 01, 2012, 04:15:04 pm
I updated mine to spec 1a squared  by using the Velcro to mount the holder under the plastic cover.  It will be simple to access, but holds it well out of the way.  It was not bad before, btu this is very secure.  Plus, I'll get even with the dealership with this fuse....
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gildaguz on March 18, 2012, 07:14:12 pm
I have a doubt, when the KIPASS problem is present and you bypass the system by removing and reintalling the fuse in this kit this will free up the ignition to be able to turn the stove  knob and unlock the steering?
Thanks
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: 556ALPHA on March 18, 2012, 08:03:47 pm
that is exactly what it does, for 5 seconds.  Brian?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on March 19, 2012, 04:57:28 am
I have a doubt, when the KIPASS problem is present and you bypass the system by removing and reintalling the fuse in this kit this will free up the ignition to be able to turn the stove  knob and unlock the steering?
Thanks

that is exactly what it does, for 5 seconds.  Brian?

If your fob is in range and you remove the fuse and reinsert it, you will have a few seconds to press in the stove knob key. I'm not sure that it's 5 seconds though. Just be ready to press the key down as soon as you put the fuse back in.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on March 19, 2012, 09:24:40 am
If the KiPass activation switch is stuck down, which is the only KiPass problem I have ever heard of, then yes, when you remove and reinsert the fuse the LCD display with illuminate and the usual start up sequence will begin. The key will turn as usual after you press the key down, and then the LCD will illuminate in the usual starting process.

The first and second batches of harness are gone but I do have some in stock at the moment. If anyone is interested in one of these, shoot me an e-mail (my e-mail address is on the left side of this page under my icon).

Brian


I have a doubt, when the KIPASS problem is present and you bypass the system by removing and reintalling the fuse in this kit this will free up the ignition to be able to turn the stove  knob and unlock the steering?
Thanks
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: jqram35 on March 20, 2012, 01:45:38 pm
email sent
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: jqram35 on March 20, 2012, 09:09:17 pm
PayPal sent
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: att2008vn on March 24, 2012, 07:27:53 am
Hi,

Some of you may find this question ridiculous but i m wondering if your KIPASS is running fine, how do you test this harness ??

Thanks

at
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: jqram35 on March 24, 2012, 03:36:35 pm
I would guess ( not having installed mine yet) that you could take the FOB far away like it was dead and use the bypass to get her running...

PS received mine today lightening fast shipping. Thanks
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: DGOLD on March 24, 2012, 06:23:50 pm
After installing my bypass today ( almost gave up trying to seperate the original connecter) I came up wth another possble use for it and One that I will probably use often. By pulling the fuse my 21 and 25 year old sons won't be borrowing the bike without me agreeing. I just hope that I remember when the fuse is out.   ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on March 24, 2012, 06:54:54 pm
Now that is an interesting and good idea. Yep, without that fuse in place no one is going to start the bike or even get anything to happen at all (no display, no relay clicks, nothing). And it is easy enough to insert / remove that you could do it everyday and really not get sick of it.

Yes those connectors are hard to separate but they are also absolutely waterproof and vibration proof. I think it is better that they be that way as they spend virtually all of the time just sitting there; if they were easier to remove at the expense of reliability I think it would be a poor trade- off.

Brian


After installing my bypass today ( almost gave up trying to seperate the original connecter) I came up wth another possble use for it and One that I will probably use often. By pulling the fuse my 21 and 25 year old sons won't be borrowing the bike without me agreeing. I just hope that I remember when the fuse is out.   ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on March 24, 2012, 07:03:08 pm
Thanks for the kind words. Most of the shipping speed is courtesy of the USPS.  ;)

The bypass only bypasses the activation switch, there is no practical (read: financially viable) way to bypass KiPass itself. The bike still needs a valid fob w/in range, either through the RF portion and a few feet away or by using the RFID portion which is inside the ignition switch housing. The bypass harness cannot be used to start any C-14 without a valid fob in range so it could not be used, for example, to steal a C-14 or start one that had already been stolen. Not to suggest anyone bought one for that purpose of course, I am merely pointing out that there is absolutely no risk that my bypass can be used in any illicit way on anyone's C-14.

Brian


I would guess ( not having installed mine yet) that you could take the FOB far away like it was dead and use the bypass to get her running...

PS received mine today lightening fast shipping. Thanks
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on March 24, 2012, 07:04:23 pm
By holding the key down until the LCD display shuts down.

Brian

Hi,

Some of you may find this question ridiculous but i m wondering if your KIPASS is running fine, how do you test this harness ??

Thanks

at
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: BMahar on March 26, 2012, 09:18:42 am
 Thanks Brian for making this by-pass available.
 Mine arrived and I installed it within a short time, thanks to your thorough instructions.
 I hope I never have to use it on my 2011 Black Concourse.
 Brent
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: mikeboileau on March 26, 2012, 01:18:56 pm
Very interesting solution!

 :chugbeer:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Barry on April 19, 2012, 07:40:51 am
Sent an e-mail... definitely want one.  Nice solution to a potetially VERY big problem.  KIPASS adds no convenience or value, yet creates a huge single point of failure.  <shakes head>.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 23, 2012, 04:58:58 am
There is apparently some confusion- some folks think they have 'ordered' a harness by voting in this poll. Unfortunately it does not work that way- the poll is not mine and I
have no idea or way to tell who voted. If anyone wants a harness that person should e-mail me directly.

My e-mail is the envelope icon directly under my avatar to the left of the screen.

To those who have already purchased a harness, thanks for buying them and, of course, thanks for the kind words about the harnesses.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on April 23, 2012, 05:17:33 am
There is apparently some confusion- some folks think they have 'ordered' a harness by voting in this poll. Unfortunately it does not work that way- the poll is not mine and I
have no idea or way to tell who voted. If anyone wants a harness that person should e-mail me directly.

My e-mail is the envelope icon directly under my avatar to the left of the screen.

To those who have already purchased a harness, thanks for buying them and, of course, thanks for the kind words about the harnesses.

Brian

Really? Some folks thought that they placed an order just by voting? Maybe those guys should park their bikes for a while. I think that the Connie might be too complicated for them, all those buttons and such, it's very confusing.    ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 23, 2012, 05:27:39 am
Down boy, down!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 23, 2012, 09:22:16 am
Wow Conrad, are you really that cranky about the post or did the dog wet the carpet just before you stared typing?  ;D

I don't think they thought they actually placed the order but perhaps they thought they were beginning the process of buying one. I assume they thought they would be contacted, which is not really unreasonable if we assume it was my poll, and I had access to the voting list.  It is no big deal either way other than those folks who thought something should have happened before now.

Brian

Really? Some folks thought that they placed an order just by voting? Maybe those guys should park their bikes for a while. I think that the Connie might be too complicated for them, all those buttons and such, it's very confusing.    ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on April 23, 2012, 09:28:56 am
Monday morning and back to work after a great three day camping trip.

Color me cranky. 
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 23, 2012, 03:24:36 pm
Ah, it happens <shrugs shoulders>.

Brian

Monday morning and back to work after a great three day camping trip.

Color me cranky.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Necron99 on April 30, 2012, 06:30:53 am
a quick scan of Fred's video for removal, and that was an easy install.

Is there an easy way of re-popping those push rivets?  I got it from the backside, but felt like I was going to pierce my fingertip....
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 30, 2012, 11:35:33 am
Yep, those rivets are reusable.

To remove, push the center pin down about 1/8" below the rivet head height and the rivet will release.

To install, push the center pin out of the rivet body toward the direction of the rivet head (it will not continue down through the rivet body). Make sure the rivet petals are collapsed and install the rivet body, followed by installing the rivet pin until it is flush with the rivet head.

Some people just pull the rivet pin out of the body until it is about 1/8" above the rivet head (but still in the rivet) but I have not always been successful with that- removing the pin entirely makes reassembly easy.

Brian


a quick scan of Fred's video for removal, and that was an easy install.

Is there an easy way of re-popping those push rivets?  I got it from the backside, but felt like I was going to pierce my fingertip....
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 30, 2012, 11:37:54 am
I have some harnesses in stock, if anyone is interested drop an e-mail my way and you too can be the proud owner of a 'Reduced Angst' (TM) KiPass system.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 30, 2012, 01:36:43 pm
Hey, it certainly helped me improve my personality!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on May 01, 2012, 05:10:03 am
Hey, it certainly helped me improve my personality!

Says who?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 01, 2012, 05:22:24 am
The voices in my head.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on May 01, 2012, 05:26:35 am
The voices in my head.

In that case, carry on Sir Robin.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Necron99 on May 13, 2012, 07:40:57 am
You have NO idea how DUMB I feel for not trying that.  LOL  Thanks!

Yep, those rivets are reusable.

To remove, push the center pin down about 1/8" below the rivet head height and the rivet will release.

To install, push the center pin out of the rivet body toward the direction of the rivet head (it will not continue down through the rivet body). Make sure the rivet petals are collapsed and install the rivet body, followed by installing the rivet pin until it is flush with the rivet head.

Some people just pull the rivet pin out of the body until it is about 1/8" above the rivet head (but still in the rivet) but I have not always been successful with that- removing the pin entirely makes reassembly easy.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on May 14, 2012, 12:14:01 pm
I would not feel dumb if I were you- those rivets are NOT self explanatory or intuitive. I didn't figure it out myself either, I picked it up somewhere; trust me, I would have pried them out and wiped out the rivet and possibly the plastic panels they held together if left to my own devices.

By the way, I took the coward's way out and cut the brake line guides off of the front fender. My thought was $6 or $8 per wheel removal would be worth it after playing with them for 20 minutes. Turns out you do not even need them.

Brian

You have NO idea how DUMB I feel for not trying that.  LOL  Thanks!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: kitesurfer on June 18, 2012, 07:29:36 am
i have not checked this forum for awhile.  the only reason I bought a goldwing vs the conny was the KEYPASS.  i may again be in the hunt!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Dack1 on July 15, 2012, 06:46:08 am
Hey guys,
Just wanted to drop my nickles worth. I saw this post the other day while lurking and e-mailed Brian (Wednesday), he responded with a PP addy and by saturday morning I had it in hand. This harness is very nice looks as though Kawasaki made it. You could not ask for a better answer to the Kpass issue (especially after having a problem 600 miles from home.) and Brian's quick response and shipping was a breath of fresh air in today's society. $50 is a bargin IMO.
This forum is such a great resource.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on July 17, 2012, 09:52:25 pm
I test mine once and a while. Secretly hope my Kpass will mess up so I can take advantage of this.  Its been well worth the peace of mind having mine installed.

Install was easy and Brians instructions were top-notch.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on July 18, 2012, 04:27:44 am
I test mine once and a while. Secretly hope my Kpass will mess up so I can take advantage of this.  Its been well worth the peace of mind having mine installed.

Install was easy and Brians instructions were top-notch.

It's like drop protection for your bike. Once you have it, you'll never need it. Just don't leave it at home...
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on July 19, 2012, 02:34:03 pm
Thanks for the kind words.

As far as shipping, PayPal and the USPS really assist in making that quick and efficient; the whole process is really pretty slick and that aids in not adding wasted time between ordering, shipping and actual delivery. The USPS has also been very efficient in delivery- the harnesses get just about everywhere in the continental US in the 2-3 days they claim it will take.

Brian

Hey guys,
Just wanted to drop my nickles worth. I saw this post the other day while lurking and e-mailed Brian (Wednesday), he responded with a PP addy and by saturday morning I had it in hand. This harness is very nice looks as though Kawasaki made it. You could not ask for a better answer to the Kpass issue (especially after having a problem 600 miles from home.) and Brian's quick response and shipping was a breath of fresh air in today's society. $50 is a bargin IMO.
This forum is such a great resource.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on July 19, 2012, 02:53:34 pm
Again, thanks for the kind words.

That was the goal in making the harness really- for anyone to just be able to forget about the whole issue. Not many activation switches have failed but every one that has was certainly an unexpected event for that particular C-14 owner. So the harness is really just a mechanical way to do something to not have to think about it ever again. I used to brush off the whole KiPass activation switch sticking issue but then again, I had a bypass on my own bike from very early on so I guess I could afford to be cavalier. The great majority of C-14s will never have any kind of failure with KiPass; adding the bypass just allows those with a little bit of concern to finally forget about it entirely and not have the thought rattling around in the back of our (collective) heads. And of course the bypass is not required to work- around the stuck switch issue, it just makes it easy and fast to do so, especially if you have to do it several times such as when on a trip or something similar.

To everyone who has commented on the quality of the harness and the components used, thank you. The goal in making these harnesses was never to make them as cheaply as possible but as well as they could be made. I have tried to make the harnesses so they were the last part on the bike to fail; I like to think that the harnesses will still be functional and sealed long after all the C-14s are no longer on the road.

Brian


I test mine once and a while. Secretly hope my Kpass will mess up so I can take advantage of this.  Its been well worth the peace of mind having mine installed.

Install was easy and Brians instructions were top-notch.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 19, 2012, 03:31:21 pm
...... long after all the C-14s are no longer on the road.

Brian

 :yikes:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: scootertrash on August 14, 2012, 04:01:00 pm
I should buy one of these if they are still available. Can i get a better understanding of how it work's and what I get. Roger, 916-600-1601
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 14, 2012, 04:35:04 pm
Well, if you read the entire thread you would have found it here http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841)  There isn't much more than that.  It's even got pictures.  Even I could understand it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on August 14, 2012, 04:43:14 pm
Well, if you read the entire thread you would have found it here [url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841[/url] ([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841[/url])  There isn't much more than that.  It's even got pictures.  Even I could understand it.


If it still makes sense you're not there yet.  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on August 14, 2012, 04:48:43 pm
Yep, that link that Jim provided contains just about all the info. available. This forum along with the other forum will provide all the information you ever wanted about KiPass and a whole lot more....

If you are interested in a bypass harness drop me an e-mail and I will answer any questions you have....about the harness, answers about the stock market or politics take longer and are not free. My e-mail address is just under the icon of me and my wife riding in the snow on the top / left of  your monitor.

Thanks for the interest.

Brian

I should buy one of these if they are still available. Can i get a better understanding of how it work's and what I get. Roger, 916-600-1601
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Schmez on August 26, 2012, 08:51:10 pm
KIPASS is pretty sweet - if you have friends that do not have this feature - here is a cool alternative for them - it uses their Cell phone as the key - like the FOB is for KIPASS - pass it along:
www.bratkey.com (http://www.bratkey.com)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on October 03, 2012, 12:44:01 pm
Got a few harnesses in stock if anyone is interested.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: NuckaMan on February 03, 2013, 01:40:09 pm
Mine came in the mail Saturday.

Thank you for the fast shipping and look forward installing it and having the peace of mind when far away from home.

P.S. Fantastic job in the install instructions.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 05, 2013, 05:25:08 pm
Thanks for the kind words and glad to hear you are happy with the product and service.

And so far, the USPS has certainly done their part in delivering these things on time. They get a lot of bad press and opinions but their performance and reliability has been very good for me.... at least so far.

Brian

Mine came in the mail Saturday.

Thank you for the fast shipping and look forward installing it and having the peace of mind when far away from home.

P.S. Fantastic job in the install instructions.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Scaffolder on February 05, 2013, 05:57:35 pm
Just curious. Will these work for people that may have lost their fobs?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on February 06, 2013, 04:20:59 am
Just curious. Will these work for people that may have lost their fobs?

100% not. You can not start a C14 without a fob period.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 06, 2013, 07:15:25 am
No, nothing reasonable or affordable will replace a lost fob besides another fob....  The bypass is only used to work around a stuck activation switch, at which point any number of fobs won't help.

Brian


Just curious. Will these work for people that may have lost their fobs?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Scaffolder on February 07, 2013, 09:39:20 pm
That is what I thought.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: TJ on April 07, 2013, 11:01:27 am
Once I get to my new address in Colorado I will be ordering one of these. Good thread, glad they made it a sticky.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Barry on April 16, 2013, 04:17:53 pm
Installed mine last night.  Bought it about a year ago.  Sad, true.  literally a 15 minute job, tools out to tools back and hands washed.  Tested it, worked EXACTLY as described. 

Buy one.

Barry
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Glennn on June 28, 2013, 11:56:15 pm
Another happy customer.  Just installed the bypass now, hardest part was getting the damn existing connector apart. 

Thanks, Brian!!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on July 04, 2013, 06:13:33 pm
Thanks for the kind words. Glad the install went well for you.

The connector is tight but that is because it is very well sealed so really it is 'a good thing'. Those things really are waterproof.

Brian (trying to rid the world of KiPass failures, one bike at a time)

Another happy customer.  Just installed the bypass now, hardest part was getting the damn existing connector apart. 

Thanks, Brian!!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on July 04, 2013, 06:16:24 pm
Finally, at long last, there is now a website that makes the KiPass activation switch bypass available. No information yet but I am still trying to figure out how to make scrolling text pages. But the site is functional and will also function as inventory control; if the 'Buy' button works then I have some in stock. If inventory is exhausted, the buy function will not work until the stock is replenished. Or at least that is how I think it will work if I have set it up correctly.  ::)

www.InControlne.com (http://www.InControlne.com)

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on July 10, 2013, 05:20:59 pm
Update: 10 July 2013, the site will now accept payment for the bypass or anything else listed.

Finally, at long last, there is now a website that makes the KiPass activation switch bypass available. No information yet but I am still trying to figure out how to make scrolling text pages. But the site is functional and will also function as inventory control; if the 'Buy' button works then I have some in stock. If inventory is exhausted, the buy function will not work until the stock is replenished. Or at least that is how I think it will work if I have set it up correctly.  ::)

[url=http://www.InControlne.com]www.InControlne.com[/url] ([url]http://www.InControlne.com[/url])

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 11, 2013, 04:13:37 am
Really?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on July 11, 2013, 06:20:06 am
Sure, works great. And now you can buy more than one if you want. I dare you, no I DOUBLE DARE you to try it. Buy two.

 :rotflmao:

Brian

Really?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: BobK on November 23, 2013, 07:06:58 am
I just bought my 2011 and realize that I probably won't need this it is nice to know I won't be stuck on the road in case the switch goes bad. Brian, I just ordered the unit, can you get to the fuse holder without having to remove anything i.e. just reach in and find it?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 24, 2013, 08:43:32 pm
Yes. I just leave mine hanging (easy boys!) and reach under the cover to find it. Some people prefer to mount the fuse holder cover to the fairing cover or similar. It comes with sticky backed Velcro hook 'n loop fastener already on the fuse holder cover so the choice is up to you.

Your harness will go out tomorrow morning.

Thanks for the order.

I sold one to a gentleman a week or so ago who's bike had the switch stuck closed all the time. He was negotiating with either his dealer or Kawasaki to fix the ign. switch ass'y but that is really what should happen, under warranty IMO. But at the moment, he was using the bypass to start the bike every-time. Glad to provide a useful device but sorry to hear he needed it so often.

Brian

I just bought my 2011 and realize that I probably won't need this it is nice to know I won't be stuck on the road in case the switch goes bad. Brian, I just ordered the unit, can you get to the fuse holder without having to remove anything i.e. just reach in and find it?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: BigAlan on November 25, 2013, 02:24:31 am
OK dumb as question time, i have a 11 bike so what does this bypass thingy do, replace, benefit us?

Just got here on this thread and have looked, everybody seems to want one but i have no idea what it is or does.

Alan
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on November 25, 2013, 04:09:55 am
OK dumb as question time, i have a 11 bike so what does this bypass thingy do, replace, benefit us?

Just got here on this thread and have looked, everybody seems to want one but i have no idea what it is or does.

Alan
Kind of like your first girlfriend.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 27, 2013, 01:39:28 pm
I just saw this question.

What the bypass is and what it does are defined earlier in this thread. There are pictures here: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841)

The bypass bypasses a stuck activation switch on KiPass. When you press the key down to 'wake up' the bike, you are using the KiPass activation switch. Occasionally, that switch sticks and as a result the bike cannot be started until that switch is fixed or some type of bypass used. This is a user- installable bypass that is put into the bike before that switch sticks and if and when it does, the bypass is readily available and an easy way to work around that stuck activation switch.

Do a Google search, or a search on this forum for KiPass and 'stuck kipass', '[put bad words here] KiPass', etc. and you will find a wealth of information. Well, perhaps not a wealth actually but certainly a lot of it.  ;)

If you have any specific questions ask away and I will be happy to answer them.

Brian

OK dumb as question time, i have a 11 bike so what does this bypass thingy do, replace, benefit us?

Just got here on this thread and have looked, everybody seems to want one but i have no idea what it is or does.

Alan
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 27, 2013, 01:43:18 pm
I just saw this question.

What the bypass is and what it does are defined earlier in this thread. There are pictures here: [url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841[/url] ([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841[/url])

The bypass bypasses a stuck activation switch on KiPass. When you press the key down to 'wake up' the bike, you are using the KiPass activation switch. Occasionally, that switch sticks and as a result the bike cannot be started until that switch is fixed hammered/cursed into submission or some type of bypass used. This is a user- installable bypass that is put into the bike before that switch sticks and if and when it does, the bypass is readily available and an easy way to work around that stuck activation switch.

Do a Google search, or a search on this forum for KiPass and 'stuck kipass', '[put bad words here] KiPass', etc. and you will find a wealth of information. Well, perhaps not a wealth actually but certainly a lot of it.  ;)

If you have any specific questions ask away and I will be happy to answer them.

Brian


FIFY
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 27, 2013, 01:50:58 pm
Yeah, nothing screams 'elegant' like screaming at and beating on your bike with a rock.... For those people, we will soon be coming out (easy boys!) with a new model bypass that the owner operates by unscrewing the wirenut and scraping the wires against each other. ;D

Brian

FIFY
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: BigAlan on November 27, 2013, 02:55:47 pm
I just saw this question.

What the bypass is and what it does are defined earlier in this thread. There are pictures here: [url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841[/url] ([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.msg82841#msg82841[/url])

The bypass bypasses a stuck activation switch on KiPass. When you press the key down to 'wake up' the bike, you are using the KiPass activation switch. Occasionally, that switch sticks and as a result the bike cannot be started until that switch is fixed or some type of bypass used. This is a user- installable bypass that is put into the bike before that switch sticks and if and when it does, the bypass is readily available and an easy way to work around that stuck activation switch.

Do a Google search, or a search on this forum for KiPass and 'stuck kipass', '[put bad words here] KiPass', etc. and you will find a wealth of information. Well, perhaps not a wealth actually but certainly a lot of it.  ;)

If you have any specific questions ask away and I will be happy to answer them.

Brian



Ahh thats what it does, well how much are these gadgets and who can supply me with one?

Thanks
Alan
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 27, 2013, 02:58:03 pm
The man above...  B.D.F.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: BigAlan on November 27, 2013, 03:30:36 pm
Yeah, nothing screams 'elegant' like screaming at and beating on your bike with a rock.... For those people, we will soon be coming out (easy boys!) with a new model bypass that the owner operates by unscrewing the wirenut and scraping the wires against each other. ;D



Brian


Mr BDF, how much inc postage to the UK for one of these special gadgets please?

Thanks
Alan
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 27, 2013, 03:47:02 pm
Ah, the UK.... sorry to bear bad news but that is a little pricey unfortunately. I charge actual shipping costs and to the UK it is $10 (US dollars, sorry but I do not know the USD -> GBP conversion) w/out tracking number or insurance, and an additional $13 for tracking and insurance for a total shipping price of $23 (!!). The price of the harness itself is $50 and includes shipping but only in the US. For whatever reason, shipping outside the US is very expensive using our postal service (or any other than I have found). And it is less convenient for me as well because I actually have to go to the post office with international packages while domestic shipping is done via postal pickup. Even Kirby thinks the whole international shipping thing is a little.... <wait for it> nuts.

Shipping time is usually pretty quick although the last one I shipped to the UK took a couple of weeks- maybe it got hung up in customs? Normal time is more like a week or so.

You can dilute the cost of shipping somewhat by buying both a KiPass activation switch bypass as well as the Low fuel warning eliminator at the same time- shipping cost remains at the above stated price but both items will come in the same box. A thread about the low fuel warning eliminator is here: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0)

And we can be on a first-name basis if you want so feel free to call me B.  ;D  (Brian)

As always, please feel free to ask any questions either on the forum directly or via e-mail (under my name on the top / left of this page- the little letter icon).

Brian


Mr BDF, how much inc postage to the UK for one of these special gadgets please?

Thanks
Alan
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on November 27, 2013, 04:31:50 pm
BigAlan, find a few others on the island that would be interested and share the shipping cost.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 27, 2013, 05:25:39 pm
Good idea- I will work with a group (easy boys!).

By the way, the first time I read that sentence I though it said "BigAlan, find a few others on the island that would be inebriated and share the shipping cost."  ;D

Brian

BigAlan, find a few others on the island that would be interested and share the shipping cost.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rhhall on November 27, 2013, 06:20:29 pm
I would not feel dumb if I were you- those rivets are NOT self explanatory or intuitive. I didn't figure it out myself either, I picked it up somewhere; trust me, I would have pried them out and wiped out the rivet and possibly the plastic panels they held together if left to my own devices.

By the way, I took the coward's way out and cut the brake line guides off of the front fender. My thought was $6 or $8 per wheel removal would be worth it after playing with them for 20 minutes. Turns out you do not even need them.

Brian
Glad I'm not the only one to curse the brake line guides...
 :doh:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 28, 2013, 04:49:25 am
If thine guide offends thee, pluck it out.  Got rid of mine some years back.  Actually, they're still there but just hanging on the line itself.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: BigAlan on November 28, 2013, 06:42:57 am
I have a friend (surgeon) who lives in New York and typically she travelled to England today, i shall speak to her and see when she is coming over again (or any of her friends) and get one sent to her there, that way carrying it back here saves postage and time.

Thanks
Alan
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 28, 2013, 09:17:29 am
That works.

Years ago I had a friend in England who used, as I did, Japanese model engines. The problem was that in the UK the tariffs on those things more than doubled the price. So I would procure them here and send them off with a friend of mine who happened to be a pilot on the NY / London route at that time- he would bring a folded up box that already had the address in place.

Brian

I have a friend (surgeon) who lives in New York and typically she travelled to England today, i shall speak to her and see when she is coming over again (or any of her friends) and get one sent to her there, that way carrying it back here saves postage and time.

Thanks
Alan
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: ben on March 06, 2014, 09:25:39 am
Lol how much is that harness, and w :ohere can it be bought...please and thanks
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on March 06, 2014, 10:25:39 am
It is not going to work for you without a valid fob Ben. My harness does not bypass KiPass, only a stuck KiPass activation switch.

Brian

Lol how much is that harness, and w :ohere can it be bought...please and thanks
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: mikeb2411 on June 20, 2014, 01:58:54 pm
You can dilute the cost of shipping somewhat by buying both a KiPass activation switch bypass as well as the Low fuel warning eliminator at the same time- shipping cost remains at the above stated price but both items will come in the same box. A thread about the low fuel warning eliminator is here: [url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0[/url] ([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0[/url])


Hey Brian, I was interested in your "Low Fuel" override but am now interested in both the Low Fuel and KiPass override/bypass. What's the cost for both...shipped in the U.S.A.?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on June 21, 2014, 04:15:52 pm
It looks like I did not respond to this (??)- the price of both products together is $100 and includes shipping.

Brian

Hey Brian, I was interested in your "Low Fuel" override but am now interested in both the Low Fuel and KiPass override/bypass. What's the cost for both...shipped in the U.S.A.?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: hlh1 on December 05, 2014, 03:18:23 pm
Brian, Just tried to send you a PM and it "blocked" my personal message.  How to do I get both of these for my 2009 C14, the Kipass Bypass and the Low Fuel eliminator?  Paypal? 

Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: sailor_chic on December 05, 2014, 05:54:30 pm
I would try his email contacts listed on his website.

http://www.incontrolne.com/ (http://www.incontrolne.com/)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on December 05, 2014, 06:00:56 pm
Yep, personal messages are shut down but do not take it personally- I did it because I had so much correspondence coming from so many directions I could not keep up with what I had responded to and I had not. It is not you or anyone that is restricted, it is the entire private mail on the forum (and not just this forum either). Just trying to channel the communications through a smaller number of places.

I have a web site set up to purchase the KiPass activation switch bypass as well as the low fuel warning eliminator: www.incontrolne.com (http://www.incontrolne.com)  Anyone can also e-mail me directly from this forum at any time, about any subject (even Kirby).

Thanks for the interest.

Brian

Brian, Just tried to send you a PM and it "blocked" my personal message.  How to do I get both of these for my 2009 C14, the Kipass Bypass and the Low Fuel eliminator?  Paypal?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: hlh1 on December 06, 2014, 06:55:06 am
I would try his email contacts listed on his website.

[url]http://www.incontrolne.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.incontrolne.com/[/url])


Just bought them from Brian, thanks! 
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on December 06, 2014, 01:26:32 pm
Thanks for the order. They will go out first thing Monday and you will get a tracking number tomorrow (Sunday) night.

Brian

Just bought them from Brian, thanks!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Classvino on December 10, 2014, 08:34:19 pm
Brian;

I gotta ask....

I've been checking back every few weeks for a while now, and I still see no more information on the Exciting new farkle!

Any hints?  C'mon,  Inquiring minds wanna know!

 ;)

Jamie

Yeah, Yeah... I know - Put up or shut up, right?   I've been leaving hints about both your items around the desk here, hoping someone will order one for Christmas or a birthday...   But I'll order one in the spring if nobody shows me any farkle love over the holidays...
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on December 11, 2014, 11:22:24 am
 ;D  New product is ready. New website is not and it is kicking my butt.

The current website was done in WebEasy just to get something up (Easy Boys!) while a better tool was found (Easy!). That tool looked, and may still be, Expression Web but I gotta' say, Microsoft got me.... again. After making substantial progress, the last 5% seemed to be impossible but upon closer examination, it was more like the last 25%. The situation is bad enough for me that I was nearly willing to spring for DreamWeaver, and beyond it being too expensive for the purpose, it too looks like a learning / using nightmare. It is so bad I miss Front Page....

So therein lies the entire problem: dealing with the website, both formatting it in a manner I like (the current version is close) but retaining enough flexibility to have some additional features including, perhaps, an interactive Q&A, comments section and similar (although frankly I am concerned what Kirby might type....).

The great news for you folks in Canadaland is that there appears to be a new method of shipping across the US / CAN border that does NOT cost a ridiculous amount of money. Still nothing reasonable for the rest of the world but at least Canadians have access to these products at just a few dollars more than normal cost. Those in the UK are still in the $25 shipping cost range, which frankly is ridiculous on a $50 item, and that is my cost for shipping (I do not mark up shipping).

Thanks for the interest and let me know if you need a bigger Magic Marker or perhaps a bucket of paint and brush to leave bigger hints around the desk.... :-)

Brian

Brian;

I gotta ask....

I've been checking back every few weeks for a while now, and I still see no more information on the Exciting new farkle!

Any hints?  C'mon,  Inquiring minds wanna know!

 ;)

Jamie

Yeah, Yeah... I know - Put up or shut up, right?   I've been leaving hints about both your items around the desk here, hoping someone will order one for Christmas or a birthday...   But I'll order one in the spring if nobody shows me any farkle love over the holidays...
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Rhino on December 11, 2014, 12:55:16 pm
Yes but enquiring minds want to know, what is the "Exciting new farkle"? Because as you know, even though I don't know what it is, I almost can't ride without it.  ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Classvino on December 11, 2014, 06:42:05 pm
Yes but enquiring minds want to know, what is the "Exciting new farkle"? Because as you know, even though I don't know what it is, I almost can't ride without it.  ;)

I couldn't help but notice the complete (but conspicuous by its absence) lack of a description either....    ;D

Jamie
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: hlh1 on December 11, 2014, 06:46:40 pm
Thanks for the order. They will go out first thing Monday and you will get a tracking number tomorrow (Sunday) night.

Brian

Installed and working! 
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: fartymarty on December 12, 2014, 12:27:21 pm
Because as you know, even though I don't know what it is, I almost can't ride without it.  ;)

 :rotflmao:

I think there is a lot of that bug going around, especially here. No vaccine for it yet, only money seems to fend off it's firm grip (easy boys).
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: elp_jc on December 20, 2014, 12:31:01 am
So what's the deal with these 'Kipass' failures? Are they still an issue even on late 2014 bikes? If not, when was the issue corrected for good? I'll buy a new '13 or '14, and want to know if this is still an issue. Although I have to say a quick shot of silicone spray every few months could eliminate that issue, no? But that harness has the extra feature of functioning like a theft-deterrent device. Hope I don't have to buy either product (Kipass bypass and LFW harness), but I will if still a problem. Thanks.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on December 20, 2014, 06:44:33 am
The activation switch failures are down since Kawasaki put in a stiffer (Easy Boys!) spring under that switch. They still stick though- I had a customer in (I think?) Nevada who was plagued by the same old problem with a 2014 :-(  The way to eliminate the problem is to put in a positive displacement switch that is mechanically linked to the main key mechanism so when it sticks, the rider can pull on the switch until it is free and back in the 'OFF' position.

Brian

So what's the deal with these 'Kipass' failures? Are they still an issue even on late 2014 bikes? If not, when was the issue corrected for good? I'll buy a new '13 or '14, and want to know if this is still an issue. Although I have to say a quick shot of silicone spray every few months could eliminate that issue, no? But that harness has the extra feature of functioning like a theft-deterrent device. Hope I don't have to buy either product (Kipass bypass and LFW harness), but I will if still a problem. Thanks.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 12, 2015, 01:37:52 pm
I now (12 Apr 2015) have some of these in stock again.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Gigantor on April 21, 2015, 09:27:28 am
Was the Kipass issue resolved in the 2014 C14?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 21, 2015, 09:45:39 am
Not judging by some of my customers situations. Apparently, the beat goes on....

The only thing Kawasaki did to address this problem that I am aware of is to install a stiffer (Easy Boys!) spring in the activation switch somewhere back around 2011 or 2012. It did reduce the incidence of the problems but did not eliminate them unfortunately. Reducing the number of occurrences is a good thing but does not do a rider much good if it is he / she that is stuck; there is little comfort in knowing you are now in a small group of people who will be stranded.

Brian

Was the Kipass issue resolved in the 2014 C14?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: speedracersworld on October 08, 2015, 06:31:53 pm
Great- glad that it saved you a tow. You can actually finish your vacation still using the bike- leave the top cover off and unplug / reconnect that connector whenever you need to start the bike. It is a pain but at least you will not have to abandon your trip.

Brian

My bike acted up a couple of days ago but I thought it timed me out because I just pushed the switch too many times without starting it right away. Today it happened twice & now it did it again. I kept hitting/ tapping the key & it unlocked once but stuck again. I'll try the tricks you listed.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 09, 2015, 04:39:52 am
What year bike?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod
Post by: Conrad on October 09, 2015, 04:48:32 am
My bike acted up a couple of days ago but I thought it timed me out because I just pushed the switch too many times without starting it right away. Today it happened twice & now it did it again. I kept hitting/ tapping the key & it unlocked once but stuck again. I'll try the tricks you listed.

You can also press the stoveknob down all the way and then let your finger slide off to the side, thus allowing the knob to spring back up with a pop. Some have had luck in unsticking the switch this way.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: fartymarty on October 09, 2015, 09:38:33 am
What year bike?

Appears to be a '13 going by this pic?
Quote from: picture from speedracersworld seat for sale post
([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20285.0;attach=24678;image[/url])
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 09, 2015, 07:30:57 pm
I have this mod plus a hammer.  One can't be too careful.  Also never wash it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on October 10, 2015, 07:07:47 am
I have this mod plus a hammer.  One can't be too careful.  Also never wash it.

You never wash your hammer?    ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on October 10, 2015, 11:51:08 am
I think what the man may or may not do with his hammer is rather private. At least I do not want to know anymore about it.....

Brian

You never wash your hammer?    ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 12, 2015, 05:28:12 am
Ah, forum Twits.  It makes life worth living... :finger_fing11:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: charliespain on October 22, 2015, 12:44:49 pm
Hi Brian.¡
Can you indicate the installation?
Is it easy to install?
Could you put on the web explanatory pdf documents on the installation.
tell me the shipping to Spain
Thank you
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on October 22, 2015, 01:45:03 pm
Hey charlie...how you been? Good to hear from you.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: speedracersworld on November 10, 2015, 09:08:10 pm
What year bike?

Sorry, mine is an 08. That seat picture was the one whos seat I bought ;)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 11, 2015, 05:26:53 am
Opps- missed this post, sorry.

Complete instructions come with the harness. Basically, you have to remove the top / left fairing cover, unplug a connector and then plug in the new harness into the connectors on the bike; very easy to do.

Shipping to Spain is expensive: last time I checked, it was $27 to Europe! (my cost- I do not mark up shipping). The good news is that for the same shipping price, you can get both the KiPass activation switch bypass and the low fuel warning indicator in the same box. But unfortunately, it is still expensive for us to ship outside the US.

Brian

Hi Brian.¡
Can you indicate the installation?
Is it easy to install?
Could you put on the web explanatory pdf documents on the installation.
tell me the shipping to Spain
Thank you
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Eupher on November 11, 2015, 09:11:35 am
Question regarding care and feeding of the stoveknob and its scurrilous spring -- will using a lockset lubricant keep things more or less springy?

Apologies if this bit of info is covered somewhere else -- if it's in the owner's manual, I missed it.

I don't have problems with my C14 yet (only 500 miles on it so far), but as I routinely remove the stoveknob when I park it, condensation can get down inside of the lockset I would think, creating the expected corrosion...

Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 11, 2015, 09:23:14 am
Lets try to keep this thread 'pure' for it's intended purpose which is ordering and questions about the BYPASS Mod itself.  As far as questions on lubing the switch assembly go ahead and create a new thread on that.  Thanks.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 11, 2015, 01:36:44 pm
10 Nov. 2015: I have some of these back in stock finally. I tried to contact all who had contacted me about purchasing one but if I missed anyone, I apologize and it was not on purpose.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: hlh1 on November 11, 2015, 01:51:23 pm
I have this mod and haven't needed it, yet. 
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 11, 2015, 02:20:22 pm
That's the whole point, isn't it?  It's insurance and piece of mind.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 11, 2015, 02:47:14 pm
Yep, just like a spare tire.... we all have them, not too many of us actually use them and all of us hope to not use them.

This is one of those things that does not enhance the bike, is nothing you can point out, and certainly will not amuse the bike owner nor others like a lot of other, shinier farkles do. But maybe, just maybe, it could save a LOT of really nasty words followed by a [walk, taxi ride, friend picking you up] and having the bike towed.

Brian

I have this mod and haven't needed it, yet.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: hlh1 on November 11, 2015, 02:54:36 pm
That's the whole point, isn't it?  It's insurance and piece of mind.

Exactly!
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on November 11, 2015, 02:55:48 pm
That's the whole point, isn't it?  It's insurance and piece of mind.

Think of how much easier it is to install Canyon Cages when the bike is laid out right there in front of you on it's side.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: maxtog on November 11, 2015, 04:45:16 pm
Question regarding care and feeding of the stoveknob and its scurrilous spring -- will using a lockset lubricant keep things more or less springy?


See
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=110 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=110)
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=17864 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=17864)
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=16380 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=16380)
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=15286 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=15286)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on November 11, 2015, 07:17:54 pm
Brian, I bought one the first  units you made. WHY?

When you get this bike, there is a certain percentage of failure with this spring....5%, 10% who knows.

However, becoming aware of the issue makes this number double. 

Becoming aware of this possible issue, and doing nothing, makes this number double again.

Go out and look at your bike, in the safety of your garage. Decide which towing company you'd call, and how exactly you could strap it to a tow vehicle without damage.

I know we cant guarantee never breaking down. Still,...

I dont remember how much money I paid for my harness. However, when I walk towards the bike after I've parked it at the top of  a canyon, and the phone says "No service", its nice to know the ignition barrel issue wont stop me. For me, that is like paying for  a spare tire and its well worth whatever I had to pay.

If these thigns were 5000.00, then sure, we could talk about it.  When you buy a piece of emergency equipment, and can forget the price, its a good deal.

Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on November 12, 2015, 12:54:57 pm
Thanks for the kind words. And yep, they are not $500 but $50, including postage.

Some people ask me if they can store the bypass on the bike and then actually install it if / when needed. Of course that could be done but it rather defeats the purpose of the bypass in the first place, which is to provide an easy, quick and absolute solution to a stuck activation switch. I think it is much, much easier to install the bypass in a few minutes of spare time, in the garage or wherever the owner normally stores the bike, where there is decent light, instructions and no urgency. And the second part of that is basically what you said; the whole purpose of the bypass is to absolutely put it out of the C-14's owner's mind as even a sliver of worry so installing it on the bike and forgetting about it (until needed) is the best way to go.

Brian

Brian, I bought one the first  units you made. WHY?

When you get this bike, there is a certain percentage of failure with this spring....5%, 10% who knows.

However, becoming aware of the issue makes this number double. 

Becoming aware of this possible issue, and doing nothing, makes this number double again.

Go out and look at your bike, in the safety of your garage. Decide which towing company you'd call, and how exactly you could strap it to a tow vehicle without damage.

I know we cant guarantee never breaking down. Still,...

I dont remember how much money I paid for my harness. However, when I walk towards the bike after I've parked it at the top of  a canyon, and the phone says "No service", its nice to know the ignition barrel issue wont stop me. For me, that is like paying for  a spare tire and its well worth whatever I had to pay.

If these thigns were 5000.00, then sure, we could talk about it.  When you buy a piece of emergency equipment, and can forget the price, its a good deal.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: EZ on February 08, 2016, 11:47:35 am
Brian, are you still fabricating units for purchase?

Sorry, just noticed the website.

Thanks
Norman
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 08, 2016, 12:13:37 pm
No problem, and the answer is yes I am still making them. I also happen to have some in stock at the moment and will ship the morning after the order is placed.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions before you purchase; you can post any question(s) publicly, in this thread if you choose, or e- mail me directly and I will get back to you (my e-mail is the icon just under my avatar at the top / left of any of my posts).

Brian

Brian, are you still fabricating units for purchase?

Sorry, just noticed the website.

Thanks
Norman
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 08, 2016, 01:45:22 pm
What year C-14 do you have Norman? Or are you buying this for a friend.... ?

 ;D

Brian

Brian, are you still fabricating units for purchase?

Sorry, just noticed the website.

Thanks
Norman
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: EZ on February 08, 2016, 01:51:28 pm
Its an 09'  I just ordered from your site and it did not ask for specific year?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 08, 2016, 01:56:44 pm
Yes, I received the order and the circuit will go out tomorrow morning.

The reason I asked what year is that I have a question about the 2015 model specifically. It has nothing to do with the KiPass activation switch bypass, but anyone installing a bypass will have the answer to my question, at least after he / she installs it.

Brian

Its an 09'  I just ordered from your site and it did not ask for specific year?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conniesaki on February 08, 2016, 06:00:11 pm
...

Go out and look at your bike, in the safety of your garage. Decide which towing company you'd call, and how exactly you could strap it to a tow vehicle without damage.

...

This comment just made me realize it's probably wise to stow two ratchet straps on your bike, ones you'd trust to secure your bike on a tow truck.

More cheap insurance.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: EZ on February 25, 2016, 05:07:48 pm
Finally had a chance to install. Very trick little deal. For anyone wondering, a blind monkey could install this in about 10 minutes.  If you didn't know better you would think this was an OE part. Nicely done Brian  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on February 25, 2016, 07:30:46 pm
Thanks very much for the kind words.

I did try to make it as 'slick and easy' as possible, and it is a point of pride that I do my utmost to use the best parts, materials and assembly techniques that I possibly can. My hope is that my little farkles are still waterproof and working as new long after the vehicle itself has been scrapped.

If you like the install of this circuit, you should see the low fuel warning eliminator; not a single tool or even a mild curse- word required.  ;D

Thanks again for the compliment about the product!

Brian

Finally had a chance to install. Very trick little deal. For anyone wondering, a blind monkey could install this in about 10 minutes.  If you didn't know better you would think this was an OE part. Nicely done Brian  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conair on April 02, 2016, 08:02:20 pm
Yah Kipass  great idea! If its so wonderful why is all this necessary? Love my bike ,I belong to the fob hater club!! ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on April 02, 2016, 09:29:47 pm
It's the switch hanging up.  Has nothing to do with the fob.  You need to join the switch hater club.  If you want to discuss the switch issue, start  a new thread, please.  BTW, this did happen to me twice early on.  I have his bypass and have never had to use it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: amphibsailor on July 29, 2016, 02:13:59 am
Order placed via website/PayPal  for both the Kia Bypass and the lo-fuel bypass.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: robval1987 on August 19, 2016, 07:10:06 am
Ok first of I just purchased a 2010 Concours on my Birthday Tuesday down in Lewisville Tx. Took it for a test drive and I love this bike, loaded it up on the trailer and headed home. Somehow, somewhere I was able to lose the only key fob that came with the bike between the Dealer and my Driveway. Took the bike to my local dealer to order another (new keyfob, with blank spare key, and the emergency fob and blank spare key for it) so now just short of $570, they had the parts overnighter and today they will program the new key fobs and I'll have the keys cut by the locksmith that was able to pick the lock on the pan to get to the owners manual (that luckily had the key number wrote in it). So I've heard that there is a bypass switch and I would like to order one can someone lead me in that direction please. Having a keyfob is great and all, but I don't want to ever be left stuck again if keyfob is lost or missing.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on August 19, 2016, 08:00:05 am
How did you get the bike to the dealer?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: zarticus on August 19, 2016, 09:01:26 am
I hate to break the news but without at least 1 fob or passive fob you cannot program new fobs. You will have to replace the whole Kipass system which is big $. If the dealer figures out a way to program the fobs without replacing the whole system please let us know how they did it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on August 19, 2016, 09:04:30 am
...and here I was going to try to ease him into it.... ::)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on August 19, 2016, 09:30:38 am
Ok first of I just purchased a 2010 Concours on my Birthday Tuesday down in Lewisville Tx. Took it for a test drive and I love this bike, loaded it up on the trailer and headed home. Somehow, somewhere I was able to lose the only key fob that came with the bike between the Dealer and my Driveway. Took the bike to my local dealer to order another (new keyfob, with blank spare key, and the emergency fob and blank spare key for it) so now just short of $570, they had the parts overnighter and today they will program the new key fobs and I'll have the keys cut by the locksmith that was able to pick the lock on the pan to get to the owners manual (that luckily had the key number wrote in it). So I've heard that there is a bypass switch and I would like to order one can someone lead me in that direction please. Having a keyfob is great and all, but I don't want to ever be left stuck again if keyfob is lost or missing.

As far as anyone here knows, you HAVE to be able to turn on the bike's ignition in order to program any new fobs into the system and a working fob is required. If you don't have any means of turning on the ignition then you are screwed to the tune of around $1k or more.

As for the bypass switch, you still have to have a working fob (small or large) and there's no way around that.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 19, 2016, 11:08:34 am
How did you get the bike to the dealer?

Trailer again?

This ought to get pretty interesting...

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :banghead: :banghead: :popcorn:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on August 20, 2016, 04:18:24 pm
If you have lost the last (or only) fob that came with that C-14 then the entire KiPass ECU will have to be replaced and the bike programmed to recognize / use the new KiPass system. This will be fairly expensive, something over $700 (at a high discount) for the ECU, which will come with two new fobs, and the labor to install the unit and program the bike at the dealer.

You need to have one valid, working fob to program the bike to recognize additional fobs. A C-14 without any valid, recognized fobs is quite expensive to 'fix'.

There are no work- arounds for KiPass available anywhere; my bypass is a KiPass activation switch bypass, not a KiPass bypass.

Best of luck and sorry to have to pass along this bad news.

Brian

Ok first of I just purchased a 2010 Concours on my Birthday Tuesday down in Lewisville Tx. Took it for a test drive and I love this bike, loaded it up on the trailer and headed home. Somehow, somewhere I was able to lose the only key fob that came with the bike between the Dealer and my Driveway. Took the bike to my local dealer to order another (new keyfob, with blank spare key, and the emergency fob and blank spare key for it) so now just short of $570, they had the parts overnighter and today they will program the new key fobs and I'll have the keys cut by the locksmith that was able to pick the lock on the pan to get to the owners manual (that luckily had the key number wrote in it). So I've heard that there is a bypass switch and I would like to order one can someone lead me in that direction please. Having a keyfob is great and all, but I don't want to ever be left stuck again if keyfob is lost or missing.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: maxtog on September 12, 2016, 05:07:00 pm
Somehow, somewhere I was able to lose the only key fob that came with the bike between the Dealer and my Driveway. Took the bike to my local dealer to order another (new keyfob, with blank spare key, and the emergency fob and blank spare key for it) so now just short of $570, they had the parts overnighter and today they will program the new key fobs and I'll have the keys cut by the locksmith that was able to pick the lock on the pan to get to the owners manual (that luckily had the key number wrote in it). So I've heard that there is a bypass switch and I would like to order one can someone lead me in that direction please. Having a keyfob is great and all, but I don't want to ever be left stuck again if keyfob is lost or missing.

You already now know the trouble you are in.... but I must say that the dealer should NEVER have sold you a bike with only a single fob.  It is the wrong thing to do.  Of course, many dealers have NO IDEA how KIPASS works and thus how important it is to always have a minimum of the two fobs that come with the bike.  If they are a Kawasaki dealer, they have the software/hardware already to program a fob, and for as little as $20 or something (their cost) they could have provided a passive fob for you to add to the active one you were given.  Ug.

Perhaps after you educate the dealer how much this screwed you, they will work with you to help correct the issue (maybe providing all the labor for free and parts at cost).  Can't hurt to ask them.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on September 13, 2016, 05:02:36 am
You already now know the trouble you are in.... but I must say that the dealer should NEVER have sold you a bike with only a single fob.  It is the wrong thing to do.  Of course, many dealers have NO IDEA how KIPASS works and thus how important it is to always have a minimum of the two fobs that come with the bike.  If they are a Kawasaki dealer, they have the software/hardware already to program a fob, and for as little as $20 or something (their cost) they could have provided a passive fob for you to add to the active one you were given.  Ug.

Perhaps after you educate the dealer how much this screwed you, they will work with you to help correct the issue (maybe providing all the labor for free and parts at cost).  Can't hurt to ask them.

What the dealers should do and what they actually do do (ha!) are two different things. I think that we've heard of a couple of instances where the dealer had no idea what the passive was, other than a 'key holder' and didn't pass the fob on to the buyer. I think that one dealer was even reported to have tossed the fob in the trash. 
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: steveb19 on November 17, 2016, 09:24:23 am
Hi
Posted a few months back about my 2008 going dead on me. Turned out main fuse/ starter relay and plug all burnt out. Suspected ignition switch so bought a complete assembly on flea bay .
Then dismantled old and new, put my receiver on "new" one (off a 2010 model) retaining the actual switch . Obvious,y this means I have an odd key in ignition but as never used it anyway reckoned I could get by.didnt think would affect kpass as it just mechanical.
However tonight I reassembled everything. Red light flashes on dash and I can turn ignition on if I manually hold down solenoid at same time.
Need to get solenoid to work and also. Fuel injection system doesn't prime when I switch on, so will not start
Any ideas anyone?
Would the  bypass kit a member sells overcome these problems?
Steve


Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: B.D.F. on November 17, 2016, 12:53:24 pm
I believe your situation is caused by the ECU (the 'main' ECU) and the KiPass ECU not recognizing each other. More accurately, the KiPass ECU not recognizing that it is in the bike it is supposed to be in. What I think you will have to do is have a dealer, or someone that owns or has access to the Kawasaki diagnostic software / hardware, program the KiPass ECU to work with the 'new bike' (different ECU) that it is installed with now. Also, the ignition switch section of KiPass, where the key goes, and the KiPass ECU, which is under the saddle, are two separate parts that again have to be programmed to work together. Without that happening, the bike will not start.

So your problem is not really the solenoid releasing, it is the entire KiPass system not allowing you to start the bike because it has not be authorized (programmed) to do so in the current combination that you have.

Best of luck with this.

Brian

Hi
Posted a few months back about my 2008 going dead on me. Turned out main fuse/ starter relay and plug all burnt out. Suspected ignition switch so bought a complete assembly on flea bay .
Then dismantled old and new, put my receiver on "new" one (off a 2010 model) retaining the actual switch . Obvious,y this means I have an odd key in ignition but as never used it anyway reckoned I could get by.didnt think would affect kpass as it just mechanical.
However tonight I reassembled everything. Red light flashes on dash and I can turn ignition on if I manually hold down solenoid at same time.
Need to get solenoid to work and also. Fuel injection system doesn't prime when I switch on, so will not start
Any ideas anyone?
Would the  bypass kit a member sells overcome these problems?
Steve
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: Rhino on November 18, 2016, 07:05:18 am
More accurately, the KiPass ECU not recognizing that it is in the bike it is supposed to be in.

We now live in an age where your motorcycle can have an identity crisis. Maybe service mechanics should start calling themselves MC therapists.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: B.D.F. on November 18, 2016, 08:40:57 am
Maybe but it is pretty rare. What is not rare is for modern motorcycles to rack up 100,000 miles with no (perceivable) loss in performance, no internal (Easy Boys!) engine work or actually any drivetrain attention, other than normal maintenance, of any kind.

A lot of people choose to remember 'the good old days' as better than they really were I think. True, new things are more complex but they are also more robust, durable and a far better value than everything that preceded them, at least IMO.

And all of this from the guy who offers the 'fix' for the only part of KiPass that I know of to actually fail.... pretty ironical, huh?    ;) ;D

Brian

We now live in an age where your motorcycle can have an identity crisis. Maybe service mechanics should start calling themselves MC therapists.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: Rhino on November 18, 2016, 09:31:50 am
Maybe but it is pretty rare. What is not rare is for modern motorcycles to rack up 100,000 miles with no (perceivable) loss in performance, no internal (Easy Boys!) engine work or actually any drivetrain attention, other than normal maintenance, of any kind.

A lot of people choose to remember 'the good old days' as better than they really were I think. True, new things are more complex but they are also more robust, durable and a far better value than everything that preceded them, at least IMO.

And all of this from the guy who offers the 'fix' for the only part of KiPass that I know of to actually fail.... pretty ironical, huh?    ;) ;D

Brian

Tru dat! 72,000 and zero problems so far. Not even the infamous KIPASS failure. My brother keeps telling me his Valkyrie is the most reliable bike out there. But I have to remind him that between his 2 Valks and my Valk every one of them:

had clutch damper plate fail at ~50,000
had rear spline on the drive shaft fail at ~70,000
had starter butting fail every ~10,000 until installation of headlight relay

And mine also had petcock fail at ~60,000

The C14 is a remarkable bike.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: B.D.F. on November 18, 2016, 11:18:01 am
Well actually, I was speaking for all modern vehicles, motorcycles, autos, backhoes, etc., etc. They are more complex but at the same time, perform better, last longer and are more reliable overall. Certainly there are more complex systems that require more specialized repair / replacement than in the olden' days, such as electronic fuel injection vs. a carburetor, but overall, the entire vehicle(s) are more reliable. When I was younger, it was nothing to see strings of cars stuck on the side of the road during a heavy rainstorm 'cause the distributors were full of water, and very common to see a LOT of cars that would not start when it was unusually cold, often in mall parking lots and so forth.

I cannot speak for the Valkyrie but I do have the utmost respect for Honda products in general, and the Gold Wing specifically. A reliable, tough and robust bike for more than 30 years now. And I have never owned any Honda road vehicle in my life (I do have a Honda snowblower).

But again, from my own point of view, I do not miss in the least wiping out distributor caps, replacing leaking and arcing spark plug wires, rebuilding carburetors, trying to coax a little more life out of an automatic choke that is stuck (and never did work quite right from day one) and on and on. And that is just the junk sitting on the actual engine to make it run, not any part of the engine itself; dive in a little deeper (Easy Boys!) and a lot of the changes in how engines are made along with the materials (our C-14's have ceramic cylinder walls: they cannot be rebored or even honed but then again, the do NOT NEED to be rebored or rehoned!) and the change in not only lifespan but how well old engines run now is almost unbelievable. It is nothing to find vehicles with over 150K miles that not only still run correctly and very well but also are not worn- they do not use oil, make blue smoke, become hard to start due to low compression and so forth. Like I said, I do not miss the 'bad old days', at least regarding road vehicles.

Excepting '34 Fords, '67 Mustang fastbacks (had one in British racing green), '55- 6- 7 Chevy's and a handful of others.  ;D

Brian

Tru dat! 72,000 and zero problems so far. Not even the infamous KIPASS failure. My brother keeps telling me his Valkyrie is the most reliable bike out there. But I have to remind him that between his 2 Valks and my Valk every one of them:

had clutch damper plate fail at ~50,000
had rear spline on the drive shaft fail at ~70,000
had starter butting fail every ~10,000 until installation of headlight relay

And mine also had petcock fail at ~60,000

The C14 is a remarkable bike.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: zarticus on November 18, 2016, 05:50:59 pm
Well actually, I was speaking for all modern vehicles, motorcycles, autos, backhoes, etc., etc. They are more complex but at the same time, perform better, last longer and are more reliable overall. Certainly there are more complex systems that require more specialized repair / replacement than in the olden' days, such as electronic fuel injection vs. a carburetor, but overall, the entire vehicle(s) are more reliable. When I was younger, it was nothing to see strings of cars stuck on the side of the road during a heavy rainstorm 'cause the distributors were full of water, and very common to see a LOT of cars that would not start when it was unusually cold, often in mall parking lots and so forth.

I cannot speak for the Valkyrie but I do have the utmost respect for Honda products in general, and the Gold Wing specifically. A reliable, tough and robust bike for more than 30 years now. And I have never owned any Honda road vehicle in my life (I do have a Honda snowblower).

But again, from my own point of view, I do not miss in the least wiping out distributor caps, replacing leaking and arcing spark plug wires, rebuilding carburetors, trying to coax a little more life out of an automatic choke that is stuck (and never did work quite right from day one) and on and on. And that is just the junk sitting on the actual engine to make it run, not any part of the engine itself; dive in a little deeper (Easy Boys!) and a lot of the changes in how engines are made along with the materials (our C-14's have ceramic cylinder walls: they cannot be rebored or even honed but then again, the do NOT NEED to be rebored or rehoned!) and the change in not only lifespan but how well old engines run now is almost unbelievable. It is nothing to find vehicles with over 150K miles that not only still run correctly and very well but also are not worn- they do not use oil, make blue smoke, become hard to start due to low compression and so forth. Like I said, I do not miss the 'bad old days', at least regarding road vehicles.

Excepting '34 Fords, '67 Mustang fastbacks (had one in British racing green), '55- 6- 7 Chevy's and a handful of others.  ;D

Brian
Anyone who had the joy of having to set points on older vehicles will appreciate today's technology  :finger_fing11:
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF NEEDED I think!
Post by: Eupher on December 06, 2016, 07:26:33 am
Anyone who had the joy of having to set points on older vehicles will appreciate today's technology  :finger_fing11:

Yep. Feeler gauges weren't all that "feelable" or precise, and I remember GMs attempt to employ the hex-key-on-a-flexible-screwdriver as a better way to set points without the feeler gauge. Of course, GMs rather ingenious way of putting the distributor in the back of the engine up next to the firewall didn't help...

But anyway, I for one am grateful for not having to sync carbs (remember that headache?) and while the entire "mapping" thing and how that is done is a mystery to me, that technology provides mo betta performance.

Of course, when those things go south, ya gotta dig deep into pockets to pay for the parts...
Title: FAU BDF
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 19, 2017, 03:38:51 am
Hi Brian

what would the cost plus shipping to the UK be please.

Alternatively could you share the part numbers for the connectors

Cheers


Mike
Title: Re: FAU BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on January 19, 2017, 06:58:18 am
Last time I looked, it was pretty reasonable: something like $9 (US) as I remember. It used to be $27 (!!!) but someone woke up and added a little sanity to the international mail system of the US. Still, not nearly as reasonable as the Royal Post; I buy small items from the UK often because they are readily available and shipping cost is competitive with shipping costs internally (Easy Boys!) in the US.

I do not know the part numbers offhand but I doubt it would do you any good anyway because there are minimum order requirements and shipping from Japan is not reasonable for a one or two piece order. That plus the price of two crimping tools means making one harness is prohibitively expensive. If you want to do it on your own, I would suggest cutting and slicing wires directly, that is the way I did it on my own bike many years ago; in fact, that is the reason I offer the harness- because some people wanted the by-pass but were not comfortable altering the bike's wiring directly.

If you shoot me your postal address via e-mail I will give you an exact price for the harness including shipping.

Brian

Hi Brian

what would the cost plus shipping to the UK be please.

Alternatively could you share the part numbers for the connectors

Cheers


Mike
Title: Re: FAU BDF
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 19, 2017, 07:12:52 am
Last time I looked, it was pretty reasonable: something like $9 (US) as I remember. It used to be $27 (!!!) but someone woke up and added a little sanity to the international mail system of the US. Still, not nearly as reasonable as the Royal Post; I buy small items from the UK often because they are readily available and shipping cost is competitive with shipping costs internally (Easy Boys!) in the US.

I do not know the part numbers offhand but I doubt it would do you any good anyway because there are minimum order requirements and shipping from Japan is not reasonable for a one or two piece order. That plus the price of two crimping tools means making one harness is prohibitively expensive. If you want to do it on your own, I would suggest cutting and slicing wires directly, that is the way I did it on my own bike many years ago; in fact, that is the reason I offer the harness- because some people wanted the by-pass but were not comfortable altering the bike's wiring directly.

If you shoot me your postal address via e-mail I will give you an exact price for the harness including shipping.

Brian

CheersBrian,


email sent.

Can you calculate the cost including one of your Fuel level doohickeys as well please.


Have you ever considered a little something to sound an audible warning if your fob proximity sensor starts flashing?
Title: Re: KiPass By Pass Mod.
Post by: B.D.F. on January 19, 2017, 07:31:37 am
Replied via e-mail.

Looks like shipping to the UK is $7 currently for anyone else interested. That is for one or both products packaged together.

No, not working on anything regarding any fob warnings; it would not do a user much good anyway as that warning may not happen until much later, minutes or even hours, after the fob is lost anyway so an indicator would not help locate a dropped fob. The bike and the fob only communicate at very specific events and if riding down the road in the same gear, the bike will not 'look' for the fob- if on the highway (motorway in the UK I believe), the bike would not poll the fob for as long as the ride lasted, which could be hours. As the system currently works, there is no practicable way to electronically detect that the fob has left the bike (been dropped) unfortunately.

Thanks for the interest,
Brian

CheersBrian,


email sent.

Can you calculate the cost including one of your Fuel level doohickeys as well please.


Have you ever considered a little something to sound an audible warning if your fob proximity sensor starts flashing?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: C14lvr on January 19, 2017, 01:45:44 pm
Brian,
After just finishing reading all 16 pages of the thread, I kept reading where several folks asked the question about when (what year) Kaw started putting the stiffer springs in.

Mine is a 2011 model. While mine has never stuck, (yet...) it has scared me every time (3 now) I've tried to set the switch to lock the forks (switch turned far left with forks turned left.)

All 3 times, it did not want to release afterwards! Talk about being stranded! All you could do is turn a very tight circle, making for a very short trip! Lol...

After a lot of effort, it finally released. One time, after it released, the stove knob literally turned all the way around 360 degrees! I thought sure something had broken, but it didn't.

So, needless to say, I don't use the steering lock feature anymore.
Suggestions of what could be wrong? Anyone else experience this?

But, my 2011's Kipass has never stuck. 46,000 miles now.
Don't know if that means by 2011 they went to the stiffer spring, or if I've just been lucky...?
Bob
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on January 20, 2017, 11:03:40 am
Just my opinion here but that does not sound like the activation switch sticking Bob, it sounds like the fork locking mechanism is sticking. This is actually quite common, especially on bikes that the fork lock is not regularly used and gets full of road grime; then on the unusual occasion when you do try to use it, it sticks.

The fork lock is basically a shot- pin that moves down and gets in the way of the lower triple clamp. Take a good light and look under the front fairing on the left side of the frame and you should be able to see the actual locking mechanism. I would suggest cleaning it with some type of spray solvent, being careful not to use one too aggressive and cover all painted parts on the front of the bike before using it. Then after the solvent dries, spray the entire mechanism, from both the top and bottom (as best you can) with a dry lube such as silicone spray. That should help a lot but eventually the mechanism will again get sticky if not used regularly.

That is the other way to deal with the issue: use the fork locks all the time and they should not get clogged with grime in the first place. Unfortunately the way you describe using yours is exactly how most of us use ours- only very occasionally. I do not think I have ever actually used mine but then again, I figure if someone wants to push my C-14 any distance, especially up a ramp, and then replace the entire KiPass system to get it started they actually worked hard enough to sort of, kind of, 'earn' it or at least a couple of rides on it 'till they get caught....

Brian

Brian,
After just finishing reading all 16 pages of the thread, I kept reading where several folks asked the question about when (what year) Kaw started putting the stiffer springs in.

Mine is a 2011 model. While mine has never stuck, (yet...) it has scared me every time (3 now) I've tried to set the switch to lock the forks (switch turned far left with forks turned left.)

All 3 times, it did not want to release afterwards! Talk about being stranded! All you could do is turn a very tight circle, making for a very short trip! Lol...

After a lot of effort, it finally released. One time, after it released, the stove knob literally turned all the way around 360 degrees! I thought sure something had broken, but it didn't.

So, needless to say, I don't use the steering lock feature anymore.
Suggestions of what could be wrong? Anyone else experience this?

But, my 2011's Kipass has never stuck. 46,000 miles now.
Don't know if that means by 2011 they went to the stiffer spring, or if I've just been lucky...?
Bob
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Classvino on January 20, 2017, 11:23:52 am
...I figure if someone wants to push my C-14 any distance, especially up a ramp, and then replace the entire KiPass system to get it started they actually worked hard enough to sort of, kind of, 'earn' it or at least a couple of rides on it 'till they get caught....

Yeah - kind of a built-in theft insurance - hopefully any prospective thieves "know" how difficult/expensive it is to actually make a ECU-crippled, stolen C14 back into a functional running bike...

And a couple minutes on YouTube will show you how easy it is to break most fork locks anyway...  just a few kicks...  though I don't see one posted about the C14

Jamie
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on January 20, 2017, 11:37:44 am
That is because even the thought of stealing a motorcycle protected by the aura of KiPass strikes fear into the most hardened (Easy Boys!) of criminals! To paraphrase Yogi Bera: '90% of KiPass is half mental'.

 ;D

Brian

Yeah - kind of a built-in theft insurance - hopefully any prospective thieves "know" how difficult/expensive it is to actually make a ECU-crippled, stolen C14 back into a functional running bike...

And a couple minutes on YouTube will show you how easy it is to break most fork locks anyway...  just a few kicks...  though I don't see one posted about the C14

Jamie
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on January 20, 2017, 05:20:47 pm
Fork lock?
This bike has a fork lock?

The shear weight of trying to push this sucker around is a deterrant to theft, let alone when you throw on a haevy anchor chain, wrapped around the rear over the seat and thru the wheel, and then place Kirby on the seat holding a sign saying " I tried to steal this bike... it wasn't worth the effort... arggggghhhhh"

I do spray aerosol lithium grease up into the lock pin yearly, and actuate it, but truthfully I've never used that lock as a security feature...
I have a 1/2" cable lock that lives in my trunk, and I use it thru the rear rim, and up and over the seat, and string it thru the sleeve and leg of my Stich for safe storage in questionable areas..
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on January 20, 2017, 05:58:08 pm
Why does your 'Stich have questionable areas? What are those questionable areas? Have you tried washing or at least deodorizing it?

Sorry, could not resist. :-)

Brian


<snip>

I have a 1/2" cable lock that lives in my trunk, and I use it thru the rear rim, and up and over the seat, and string it thru the sleeve and leg of my Stich for safe storage in questionable areas..
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 20, 2017, 08:30:47 pm
Sadly, the same thing occurred to me.. :o
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on January 21, 2017, 06:08:51 am
Sadly, the same thing occurred to me.. :o

In a questionable area?
Title: Detailed Explanation of KIPASS
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 21, 2017, 07:26:16 am
apologies if this is teaching granny to suck eggs but found the below link and thought it an interesting read


http://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/kawasaki_kipass.html (http://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/kawasaki_kipass.html)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 21, 2017, 08:24:45 am
In a questionable area?

Dunno.  Was drinking when I posted that.
Title: Re: Detailed Explanation of KIPASS
Post by: Conrad on January 21, 2017, 08:41:15 am
apologies if this is teaching granny to suck eggs but found the below link and thought it an interesting read


[url]http://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/kawasaki_kipass.html[/url] ([url]http://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/kawasaki_kipass.html[/url])


A fairly comprehensive explanation of the KIPASS system. From what we know two related points are incorrect.


How KIPASS Works
This is how the Kawasaki Concours is started. The central ECU, called the Smart ECU (because it also controls the TPMS), constantly sends out RF waves, even with the keyswitch turned off. When the keyfob is within 5 feet of the Smart ECU, the keyfob "transponds," that is, receives the Smart ECU's signal and returns it with its own unique electronic signature attached. The Smart ECU compares this signature with its six previously stored registrations and if there is a match, the Smart ECU then seeks security confirmation from the other two ECUs, one at a time. Acknowledgement by the keyswitch ECU via the CAN bus permits the keyswitch to be pushed down and then rotated. At the same time, the Smart ECU seeks security confirmation from the FI (engine) ECU via CAN, in order for the fuel injection and ignition systems to be activated.


Our understanding here is that the 'smart ECU' only sends out a signal (query) when the stove knob key is pressed down. When the fob detects this query it responds with an authentication signal that tells the ECU that's it's ok to allow the stove knob to be unlocked and rotated to turn on the ignition.



If the bike's battery runs down or is disconnected, the KIPASS system will not operate. That is, the keyswitch cannot be pushed down and rotated because the while RF thing is not happening. The keyfob's battery is likewise vulnerable. If a keyfob is stored on the vehicle, this will of course be within 5 feet of the Smart ECU. The fob and ECU will in this case continuously communicate, which will dramatically shorten the life of the keyfob's 5-year rated battery. Naturally, a keyfob should not be kept on the vehicle anyway, since this would make the vehicle able to be started at any time. (Sure, you could remove the key from the keyswitch, but the vehicle was not designed to be used this way, a fact that can be attested to by the size and shape of the key's head.) A worst-case scenario concering keyfobs is possible on the 2010 and later Concours having the computer controlled glovebox. Since a keyfob is required to operate the glovebox, leaving a fob in the glovebox where its battery can more quickly run down can result in the unfortunate situation wherein the bike cannot be started because the fob having a dead battery is inside the glovebox and the glovebox cannot be opened until the the keyswitch is operated. A Catch-22 in other words.
 

Since we know that that ECU doesn't continuously transmit a signal the underlined section above is incorrect.



'the keyfob's 5-year rated battery'

5 years?  :o  That ain't happenin either. 
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on January 21, 2017, 10:06:20 am
That is correct: the system does not 'send out' anything on a continuous basis. In fact, that is the exact reason we have to press the ignition switch down in the first place; to power up the system and have KiPass poll for fobs [insert jokes here].

This is why we should all have and always use a well honed B.S. filter on whatever 'facts' we happen to see / hear / read / dream. Remember, in the olden' days, there were only five elements: earth, water, air, fire and ether, and that was taught by the some of the finest human minds known.

A fairly comprehensive explanation of the KIPASS system. From what we know two related points are incorrect.

<snip>

Our understanding here is that the 'smart ECU' only sends out a signal (query) when the stove knob key is pressed down. When the fob detects this query it responds with an authentication signal that tells the ECU that's it's ok to allow the stove knob to be unlocked and rotated to turn on the ignition.

<snip>


'the keyfob's 5-year rated battery'

5 years?  :o  That ain't happenin either.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on January 21, 2017, 10:09:40 am
Are there different elements on the other side?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 21, 2017, 03:53:36 pm
?
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: gPink on January 21, 2017, 07:07:08 pm
Flat earth.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 21, 2017, 08:35:10 pm
Righto
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: C14lvr on January 21, 2017, 10:20:14 pm
Thanks, Brian. I'll give that a try.

The only thing... the first time I tried to use the fork lock and it malfunctioned the bike was new.
I happened to be over 100 miles from home at the time, and had stopped at a restraunt.
I decided to lock it up, and that was the time the stove knob switch actually turned a full 360 degrees on me. That freaked me out. But it eventually freed up, and unlocked.

You guys are probably right about how easily it could be broken and defeated, though.
Pushing this beast would raise a lot of attention!
It's bulk is it's best defense!

Hey... at least my Keypass has never stuck!
But thanks Brian for the info on how to get outta that jamb if it happens.
Bob
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on January 22, 2017, 05:48:16 am
Flat earth.

No one knows since all the **** keeps falling off.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: kzz1king on April 04, 2017, 04:03:43 pm
Do you just plug the bypass in and leave it? Or do you just plug it in when/if you need it?
Wayne
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: kzz1king on April 04, 2017, 04:06:39 pm
Do you just plug the bypass in and leave it? Or do you just plug it in when/if you need it?
Wayne

Scratch that! Went and reread, the fuse is the switch. Put fuse in if/when you need it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: fartymarty on April 06, 2017, 09:18:28 am
Sadly, the same thing occurred to me.. :o

You've been hangin' with the wrong crowd, and our "group think" is starting to get a toe hold in your brain.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on April 06, 2017, 10:21:03 am
Other way around- the fuse stays in the harness until the activation switch sticks- then you remove and reinsert the fuse to activate the system. Which is a good system because you will not lose or misplace the fuse, and the fuse assembly is waterproof while closed.

Brian

Scratch that! Went and reread, the fuse is the switch. Put fuse in if/when you need it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on May 28, 2017, 07:39:18 pm
28 May 2017 Update:

Finally have some in stock. They can now be ordered from my web page for delivery in the US, and e-mail me for shipping overseas.

I tried to respond to all who had inquired about these but please forgive me if I missed anyone (multiple e-mail addresses to keep track of).

BTW: for whatever reason, shipping a small package overseas from the US has become somewhat reasonable. No idea why this is but it is a pleasant surprise to me, and I hope so of my customers!

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on June 08, 2017, 04:47:12 pm
Brian, I just went to your page and noticed the "low fuel eliminator".  Do we have a thread regarding that?  I need one...I detest that warning.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 08, 2017, 04:50:09 pm
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0)
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on June 08, 2017, 04:59:10 pm
Wow, four minutes and Jim already beat me to it.... :-)

Yep, and I happen to have some in stock at the moment also- I usually run out of them and take far too long to rebuild stock but you happen to catch me 'fat' with them.

Please feel free to e-mail me with any questions or of course post them here for public viewing if you want. Either way, I will do my best to answer them.

BTW- you can clear that and any other warning (although only one at a time) by pressing and holding the top button, then pressing and releasing the bottom button, then releasing the top button. The warning will clear but the range display will still not work until you re- fuel; my circuit eliminates the warning and also allows the range indicator to continue to function. I just wanted to pass that along because any C-14 owner can clear the warning without buying anything and I do not want to sell anything under false pretenses. Full disclosure and all, so when I testify to Congress it goes smoothly.... unlike Kirby's testimony, which is going to be a disaster as I keep telling him. Of course, he feels immune to any form of prosecution or punishment..... but I digress.   ;D

Brian

Brian, I just went to your page and noticed the "low fuel eliminator".  Do we have a thread regarding that?  I need one...I detest that warning.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on June 08, 2017, 06:14:02 pm
So, Ive been seeing that warning for 4 years? I feel like a fool...always hated that warning.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on June 08, 2017, 09:18:18 pm
Do not know what to say- this information was in the original '08 (released in June of '07) model year owner's manual. ???????????

My farkle does more: it eliminates the spastic finger dance (that many find impossible to dangerous, especially with heavy gloves on) to remove the warning AND it preserves the range function.

Best of luck whichever way you go.

Brian

So, Ive been seeing that warning for 4 years? I feel like a fool...always hated that warning.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on June 09, 2017, 07:24:02 am
Brian, it just goes to show....as smart as you are, you cant fix dumb.  I was dumb,  and should have read about canceling the warning, and at some point, I will get this device. 

The piece of mind I get with your KIPS device is worth way more than the dollars I paid for it.

For me, the computer in this bike is its worst feature. It is dangerous when you have pop up messages appear.  Cant help but assume the worst, and it takes my mind off of what I should be concerned with.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 09, 2017, 08:31:55 am
I know dangerous..
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on June 09, 2017, 11:39:16 am
I do not think it is really 'dumb', it seems to be an open secret. :-)   An awful lot of C-14 owners either do not know that warnings (all warnings, not just the low fuel warning) can be cleared but have trouble remembering how to and then actually executing the maneuver to do so. I do find it a bit tricky to manipulate the buttons (Easy Boys!) in the dark, while riding, especially with heavy gloves but it can be done. What I also find annoying is that each warning must be cleared individually; when riding in cold temps. it is common enough to get the 'low battery' tire pressure sensor warning every single time the bike is started, and it is normally both wheels, so the warnings must be cleared twice. A true PITA IMO.

Yeah, the display does get a bit over- aggressive on showing us warnings that are just not that important (low TMPS battery.... is it really that big a deal? In the same realm as having 3 lbs. of air pressure left in a tire? The display would have us believe it is.....).

As to dumb, I cannot remember how to set the clock on the bike.... twice a year when the time changes. Sometimes I hit it pretty quickly, sometimes I fumble around for far too long, and sometimes I convert the readout to French. Hey, stuff happens.

Brian

Brian, it just goes to show....as smart as you are, you cant fix dumb.  I was dumb,  and should have read about canceling the warning, and at some point, I will get this device. 

The piece of mind I get with your KIPS device is worth way more than the dollars I paid for it.

For me, the computer in this bike is its worst feature. It is dangerous when you have pop up messages appear.  Cant help but assume the worst, and it takes my mind off of what I should be concerned with.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on June 10, 2017, 07:48:48 am
The low battery thing irritated me, too. I felt like the battery would not have been nearly as low had it not kept reminding me how low it really was.

As if soemoen falls in a lake, then spends the next three hours yelling, "I'm drowning"    Well, obviously, you're not, or you would have gone quiet, much earlier.

Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on June 10, 2017, 03:26:23 pm
OFFTOPIC:

That one I think they actually fixed. Kawasaki used to use an different brand and type of tire pressure sensor, and the low battery flaw was inside that sensor. Now they use Schrader sensors (like everyone else) and I do not believe the Schrader suffer from this problem.

Also, the <base> Schrader sensor is readily available every place that sells or services  tires, and it is cheap. Unfortunately, Kawasaki does not use the basic version but has their own made for them so we cannot just swap ours out for standard Schraders but must use the Schrader sensors that Kawasaki sells.

So I guess this is like a good news / bad news joke. Though the original sensors were also quite expensive. So maybe this is really a bad news / bad news / newer bad news joke.... and it is on us, the C-14 owners. Really, at this point in time when much more reasonable systems are available from third- party manufacturers, it now sort of makes sense to just scrap the OEM sensors (disable them- we still need the valve stem) and use an after market setup. Sure it is an add- on and not built into the bike but then again, most of us have about 83 add- on gizmos all over the place so what is one more discreet thingy stuck to the dash?

Brian

The low battery thing irritated me, too. I felt like the battery would not have been nearly as low had it not kept reminding me how low it really was.

As if soemoen falls in a lake, then spends the next three hours yelling, "I'm drowning"    Well, obviously, you're not, or you would have gone quiet, much earlier.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: rcannon409 on June 11, 2017, 10:08:24 am
Great points on the sensor, as usual.

My rear sensor is an original 08 model, and I had no trouble putting  anew battery in it.

When I took my bike to the shop....not sure when this was.  It went to the shop for the removal of that rear brake clevis guard they had installed on the prior visit...maybe 2012?

Anyway, at that time the front sensor was showing "low battery" so they replaced it.  Im afraid that I ended up with the one where you cant get to the battery.

I love Brians products and ideas. Every product has that, "Duh, why didn't I think of that" feel to them.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on June 11, 2017, 03:27:15 pm
Thank you for the kind words. You probably would not love all my ideas though; you have only seen a few of the more polished ones :-)  Some of them..... well, let's just say they cannot be polished and leave it at that.  ;D 

About the new sensor: I believe someone opened one of them and the battery is not actually potted, so while there is some cutting and hacking involved, the batteries can be replaced <reasonably> easily Certainly much more easily than an epoxy potted sensor. Now that assumes I am remembering all of this correctly and the sensor I saw is what Kawasaki is actually supplying. I believe it was in a post on this forum (the only vehicle forum I use so it almost has to be this one) so you can probably find it. Or maybe the original author will chime in with a pointer to his / her original post and photos about it.

Brian


Great points on the sensor, as usual.

My rear sensor is an original 08 model, and I had no trouble putting  anew battery in it.

When I took my bike to the shop....not sure when this was.  It went to the shop for the removal of that rear brake clevis guard they had installed on the prior visit...maybe 2012?

Anyway, at that time the front sensor was showing "low battery" so they replaced it.  Im afraid that I ended up with the one where you cant get to the battery.

I love Brians products and ideas. Every product has that, "Duh, why didn't I think of that" feel to them.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: B.D.F. on June 29, 2017, 06:17:38 am
To my non- US customers and potential customers: shipping prices have recently dropped dramatically. I have no idea why this is but what was a common price to ship to many parts of the world overseas was in the $20 to $30 (US) range, which was frankly ridiculous. These were the prices actually charged me to ship my products; I do not tack on any extra for shipping. And of course, a shipping charge of $30 was quite substantial on a $50 retail cost product.

I just got a price to ship to Australia and it was $8 (US) which includes both actual shipping charges as well as exchange rate surcharges. Shipping to Canada has been $5 (US) recently.

I just wanted to let the folks outside the US know that my products are now a lot more reasonable to purchase due to a dramatic decrease in shipping costs.

Brian
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Bonsaicat on October 23, 2018, 02:30:23 pm
Why wouldn’t you just remove the switch solenoid? in the ignition
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: Conrad on October 24, 2018, 06:34:58 am
Why wouldn’t you just remove the switch solenoid? in the ignition

You're a newbie so I'll go easy.

Did you see how many guys have posted in this thread? Do you think that if the solution to the Kipass issue was as simple as removing the solenoid that someone would have thought of that by now? No, it's not that simple and no, you can't just remove it.
Title: Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
Post by: fartymarty on October 30, 2018, 12:15:41 pm
Why wouldn’t you just remove the switch solenoid? in the ignition


Different folks consider some work difficult and to others it's just not a big deal as they've been doing it for years and have all the tools and most of the knowledge at hand. The link below shows how Fred Harmon did it years ago, so you can be the judge. I think he just cleaned it and lubed it instead of removing it. Personally I wouldn't do all that until it was an established problem on my bike and it's not something that I'd want to do on a long trip. I think that's the beauty of Brian's product, you simply plug it in the system and it sits silently at the ready to save the remainder of your trip and then get you home where you can either fix it in your garage or take it (ride it in) to the shop. YOMV.

http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/kipass (http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/kipass)