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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Feral Cat on January 19, 2018, 11:33:08 pm

Title: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Feral Cat on January 19, 2018, 11:33:08 pm
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Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Freddy on January 20, 2018, 05:13:12 am
Finally one afternoon while exiting Hwy880 in Fremont the right front caliper locked up while the left did not engage causing a massive steering vibration that caused the back of the bike to also start oscillating.

Firstly, under what braking conditions did this occur? 

Secondly, how would that cause a massive steering vibration?

Thirdly, how would 'a massive steering vibration' cause 'the back of the bike to also start oscillating?'

Fourthly, what is the cause of the 'stuck right caliper?' 

Fiftly, was the rear brake operational?

Obviously, the bike couldn't easily be moved without releasing it - how was this done?

I don't doubt what you say occurred, just curious and don't follow how your experiences relate to the linked system with TC.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 20, 2018, 06:41:09 am
started having ABS/linked brake issues like what many have noticed. Rear brake pedal drops, front brake grab and general unpredictable braking.

Many?  If this forum is at all representative of what does on out there in the real world, I am not sure you could use the word "many".  I admit my memory isn't all that great, but there are tens of thousands of postings on this forum and I can't recall any with a story even remotely similar to yours.  I am not trying to dismiss or diminish what happened to you, but try to set a perspective.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on January 20, 2018, 06:48:55 am
You might post on the COG forum also.... http://forum.cog-online.org/ (http://forum.cog-online.org/)
I have heard there is also a Fakebook thing for the Concours...might stir up something there.
Please keep us informed.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Conrad on January 20, 2018, 07:27:22 am
Snip

Kawasaki dealer in Fremont, CA confirmed the issue in writing. Original Kawasaki dealer in Monterrey county also confirmed the problem. Kawasaki stated this was a "know issue with ALL Concours 14 BEFORE 2016" Kawasaki also stated this is a "characteristic of all Concours 14s".


All C-14s?

Keep in mind that first gen C-14s (2008 & 2009) did not have TC or linked brakes. Are you saying that these are also involved in this?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 20, 2018, 08:28:39 am
GTR owner since 2014

First time post on here 2018


Offering to supply referral to legal aid?


Thinly disguised spam?

Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: connie_rider on January 20, 2018, 08:45:48 am
I'd be interested to hear more.
Many of us have complained about the Linked brakes.
Maybe Momma KAW will have to do something?
ie; Mebbe a callback?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: bowtie39 on January 20, 2018, 08:54:07 am
Thought the newer linked system started with the '15 :-\
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: lather on January 20, 2018, 08:55:53 am
All C-14s?

Keep in mind that first gen C-14s (2008 & 2009) did not have TC or linked brakes. Are you saying that these are also involved in this?
As an 08 owner II caught that also: "ABS/linked brake issues"
OP should clarify which years he his suit addresses.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: harry76 on January 20, 2018, 09:03:37 am
Sounds like BS to me.
Many bikes have been made with just one front caliper, I guess they would all have a massive steering vibration.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 20, 2018, 11:01:49 am
As C said, it ain't affecting the Classic C14's as we aren't linked.....thank goodness.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on January 20, 2018, 11:11:26 am
Once again the superiority of the Gen 1 shines through. 8)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: DGOLD on January 20, 2018, 11:15:15 am
60000 miles and my 2010 stops like a champ. Why have I not heard of any issue like this. All I remember are complaints of linked brakes as a concept but not practical problems.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 20, 2018, 01:37:22 pm
I'd be interested to hear more.  Many of us have complained about the Linked brakes.

Well, there is a huge difference between complaints about linked brakes due to a personal preference- either not liking linked brakes or not liking how strongly they are linked, and a reports of caliper lockups or rear pedal drops!

I have read every post on the two main forums since zggtr.org went live (again) in 2011 and have only seen just personal preference complaints about the linked system.

As far as I am aware, the only design change with the linking that has ever been done was to just lessen the linking (2015 I think).
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 20, 2018, 01:48:58 pm
The only "known" issue I'm aware of is the one that prompted a recall, issued in 20089 & 2012

+++++

On eligible units of 1400 GTR and 1400GTR ABS models small stones or other road debris can become trapped between the rear brake pedal and guard and prevent the pedal from fully releasing. This can cause over heating potentially leading to rear brake damage and lock up or failure of the rear brake. On 14 GTR ABS models with K-ACT the front brake may also be affected because it is linked with rear brake operation.

The repair consists of replacing the rear master cylinder rod end and removing the guard.
++++++

Launch Date   Recalls Number   Make   Model(s)   Concern   VIN Start   VIN End   Build Start   Build End
1   01/02/2008   RM/2008/005   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   side case may become detached   JKBZGT40AAA005036   JKBGT40AAA013543      
2   01/02/2008   RM/2008/006   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear carrier may become detatched   JKBZGT40AAA005036   JKBZGT40AAA011397      
3   19/01/2009   RM/2009/002   KAWASAKI   ZG1400A8F   possible loss of control due to rear brake lock up.   JKBZGT40AAA005036   JKBZGT40AAA015140      
4   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40CCA013002   JKBZGT40CCA017411      
5   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40AAA005009   JKBZGT40AAA015140      
6   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40AAA019001   JKBZGT40AAA0222802      
7   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40CCA000036   JKBZGT40CCA003557      
8   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40CCA006032   JKBZGT40CCA009994      
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 20, 2018, 02:01:15 pm
The only "known" issue I'm aware of is the one that prompted a recall, issued in 20089 & 2012

Yep, and that wasn't related to linked brakes at all.  I did have that recall done at some point.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 20, 2018, 02:02:58 pm
Yep, and that wasn't related to linked brakes at all.  I did have that recall done at some point.
I never said it was specifically a linked brake issue although the recall did note there may be some front brake problems due to the linked nature(as per the quote in my post)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 20, 2018, 02:09:28 pm
I never said it was specifically a linked brake issue although the recall did note there may be some front brake problems due to the linked nature(as per the quote in my post)

Yeah, on a linked system (every Concours 2010+), if a rock jams the rear pedal down, it will activate both front and rear brakes.  Not a great thing to happen.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Rob9876 on January 20, 2018, 02:36:43 pm
I did a quick search of the COG forums and those 2 recalls are the only things I found also.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on January 20, 2018, 02:40:39 pm
I wonder if this is ABS related as opposed to linked brakes.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 20, 2018, 02:58:22 pm
I wonder if this is ABS related as opposed to linked brakes.

Perhaps.  The "linked" focus part of the thread started with reply 6.  Otherwise it was presented as an "ABS/Linked" issue.   It is still one I have never seen before.   "Feral Cat" (thread author) registered at 12:36am, posted an hour later, and hasn't posted since (although last active at 11:47).  Need more information.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 20, 2018, 04:17:24 pm
sometimes if  it looks like a duck and it sounds like a duck it is a duck.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: sanmo on January 21, 2018, 06:29:08 am
GTR owner since 2014

First time post on here 2018


Offering to supply referral to legal aid?


Thinly disguised spam?

It may very well be a duck that we are discussing here, but that bike may have been a 2014 model purchased brand new in 2017. Time for the deerstalker to be cleaned up a bit?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Conrad on January 21, 2018, 06:30:03 am
sometimes if  it looks like a duck and it sounds like a duck it is a duck.

Ducks have ABS?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on January 21, 2018, 08:00:05 am
Ducks have ABS?

Only if you are planning to post about a pending lawsuit against a duck, it seems...
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 21, 2018, 09:03:10 am
Might I remind all members that this thread concerns lawsuits against Kwackers concerning brakes, ABS, and linking.  It is not about ducks of any sort.  I also must say that no ducks have been harmed in any shape or fashion (whilst anyone was looking of course) in this thread.  ::)   Should you wish to discuss ducks, please open a thread in either Open or The Range.   If opening in The Range, ducks are undoubtedly fair game and not subject to any protection whatsover.   Carry on.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: SapperLdr on January 21, 2018, 10:39:03 am
I saw a duck yesterday.

Just trying to stay relevant.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 21, 2018, 11:29:07 am
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: harry76 on January 21, 2018, 11:30:17 am
I had ducks until last week when a couple of Minks got a hold of them.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: sanmo on January 21, 2018, 11:42:45 am
I believe the AFLAC duck sports a mean six-pack thanks to yoga.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on January 21, 2018, 05:44:26 pm
I'll get right to the point...

I bought a brand new 2014 Concours14 from a dealer in Monterrey County, CA. I guess I'm unusual in that the bike was bought as a work vehicle for daily use.
Within 5000 miles the bike started having ABS/linked brake issues like what many have noticed. Rear brake pedal drops, front brake grab and general unpredictable braking.

Kawasaki dealer in Fremont, CA confirmed the issue in writing. Original Kawasaki dealer in Monterrey county also confirmed the problem. Kawasaki stated this was a "know issue with ALL Concours 14 BEFORE 2016" Kawasaki also stated this is a "characteristic of all Concours 14s".

After 2 months of arguing and the CA Kawasaki rep personally riding my bike, Kawasaki agreed & paid the Fremont dealer to try to update my bike to a 2016 ABS system. They where unable to get the wiring to match so the complete ABS system was replaced with a 2014 system. The bike was fine for another 15,000 miles and then the problem came back with a vengeance.

Then around 20,000 miles I started noticing instability issues during hard braking.... Finally one afternoon while exiting Hwy880 in Fremont the right front caliper locked up while the left did not engage causing a massive steering vibration that caused the back of the bike to also start oscillating. Due to 20+ years of semi professional riding I was able to keep the bike upright and stop. Barely...

Bike went to a 3rd Kawasaki dealer in Hayward, CA and was confirmed to have a stuck right caliper...

Kawasaki has admitted that ALL Concours 14s before 2016 have ABS/Linked brake issues. Interestingly all the local police departments have also stopped using the Concours 14....

As of December 2017 we have filed suit against Kawasaki in Monterrey County court under California's lemon law based on the fact that the bike is unsafe. I've ridden bikes for 20+ years of all makes and this bike's brakes do not function correctly. 

Anyone else having similar issues can contact me and I will pass along my attorneys contact info.

Cheers

If it smells like BullShirt you just stepped in, it probably was BullShirt....
First post, from someone unknown, that joined forum yesterday... that has no clue how going online and making blasting statements, and outrageous diatribe about his "pending lawsuit" (which any attorney would say... "I'm droppin' your case like a hot steamer"...) for doing so, WILL effect anu outcome of a lawsuit... simply exacerbates the BullShirt...

Lets just say this, First off, NO Kaw rep will say "it's and inherent problem".. period, it just doesn't happen... so that's Bull'Sht
any Kaw factory person would already KNOW you can't swap partial components systems from newer models to older models... so the "amazing discovery of the wires not accommodating" would never even been a "discovery", because they would never OK that...multiple major components, brake ECU, Hydraulic pump/valve system,lines,  wheel rotors and sensors, and programming are involved... so Bull'Sht point #2

Knowing this system inside out, as Ex-Tech Editor, that has been on the pulse of this bike since prior to it's release, and knowing the differences in all 3 versions of the braking systems, I'm just going to say "best of luck" come back and tell us "how this all worked out for you".... because it wreaks of Bull'Sht.

Or maybe I'd have to say Duck'Sht...

by the way,
since introduction in 2007, and using this, and the actual COG forum as a barometer, I can safely say I've seen less than 10 actual instances of ABS/Linked brake (combined) failure, and NONE have had this set of issues, or outcomes.

I can't speak for Kawasaki in a corporate format, but I can say that IF you had all these issues, and IF all this documentation you say went back and forth thru Corporate channels... You would have been handed a new motorcycle, in trade for your "LEMON", just to make sure to cover the fact....

again, Best of luck
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 22, 2018, 06:05:40 am
The only issue with the PD usage that we've heard about is electrical.   We've seen a few ABS issues but more related to build up / dirt whatever in the units themselves.   Early linking braked bikes from Kwackers was more of an implementation issue on how they worked than a 'defect'.   I'm with Rich on this.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Rubber_Snake on January 23, 2018, 10:34:59 am
The only issue with the PD usage that we've heard about is electrical.   We've seen a few ABS issues but more related to build up / dirt whatever in the units themselves.   Early linking braked bikes from Kwackers was more of an implementation issue on how they worked than a 'defect'.   I'm with Rich on this.
I’ll confirm the electrical issues with the bikes our department used.  The electrical problems were not of the manufacturer, but from the person who had won the bid and did a pisspoor job of wiring the extra police equipment on the bikes.  I have never heard a problems with the brakes, unlike the Harleys....
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 23, 2018, 10:55:29 am
Correct!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on January 26, 2018, 10:13:54 pm
....the differences in all 3 versions of the braking systems...

There might be 4 if you are a picky (persnickety?) person about it. The 2010 non-abs has a different front hose configuration/routing than any other. (see part 43095-0501)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: smokin on January 27, 2018, 03:05:21 am
Interesting,never heard of any one in Australia or the UK having these concerns. My 2014 GTR 1400 linked brake/ABS set up works fine.
If this gentleman has filed a law suit against Kawasaki wouldn't you guys in the states be able to get copy of it,wouldn't there be a public notice printed somewhere?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Cuda on January 28, 2018, 02:07:58 pm
No problems with my brakes , since 2011.

Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 29, 2018, 02:28:22 am
3 pages in and the OP hasn't come back to defend his corner, hmmmm


Anyone know if he's popped up anywhere else?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: sanmo on January 29, 2018, 05:14:26 am
Could be just a drive-by, dropping a lit firecracker into this hen house?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on January 29, 2018, 05:25:00 am
I just sent the op a pm asking how the lawsuit is going. Maybe he'll enlighten us.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 29, 2018, 05:48:40 am
I just sent the op a pm asking how the lawsuit is going. Maybe he'll enlighten us.

I doubt it.

I think if he doesn't show (which is probable), the whole thread should be nuked (or at a minimum "lawsuit pending" removed from the title).  It is almost paramount to slander against the Concours.  Not because it might be ONE PERSON'S experience [and even that is questionable] but it implies there is a huge failure that affects dozens, hundreds, or thousands of owners.... which we know isn't true.   It will show up in searches and might even on Google searches.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on January 29, 2018, 05:59:47 am
I would concur with a subject line modification.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2018, 06:24:27 am
He's pokin his head (easy boys) back in but not posting as far as I can tell.  I'm starting to think this is a trolling maneuver just to stir things up.


With that being said, I'm not going to nuke it or modify the subject line.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit (Allegedly) pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 29, 2018, 06:42:04 am
He's pokin his head (easy boys) back in but not posting as far as I can tell.  I'm starting to think this is a trolling maneuver just to stir things up.


With that being said, I'm not going to nuke it or modify the subject line.

Inserts word "Allegedly" in a moment of respect to HIGNFY  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_I_Got_News_for_You):)

Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on January 29, 2018, 07:11:22 am
He (Feral Cat) responded to my PM, he even gave me a phone number to call. (allegedly his number, not his attorney's)
Of course if he wins, we'll never hear about it. Kawasaki may quit making the C14, but I doubt they'll recall the lot of them to change out the braking system. They'll settle with a confidentiality agreement.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MrPepsi on January 29, 2018, 11:30:35 am
Following
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 29, 2018, 03:12:37 pm
He's pokin his head (easy boys) back in but not posting as far as I can tell.  I'm starting to think this is a trolling maneuver just to stir things up.

With that being said, I'm not going to nuke it or modify the subject line.

Oh, another option would be to move it to Arena with no shadow post.  My main concern is keeping it out of searches.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit (allegedly) pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 29, 2018, 04:00:41 pm
Oh, another option would be to move it to Arena with no shadow post.  My main concern is keeping it out of searches.

nah, leave it where it is, it would soon be obvious to anyone happening on it thats its a load of codswallop :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes [probably] fake testimonial
Post by: maxtog on January 29, 2018, 05:23:34 pm
nah, leave it where it is, it would soon be obvious to anyone happening on it thats its a load of codswallop :)

I think you overestimate most people's patience for reading and research :)  Especially so if a bad subject gets indexed by a major site like Google or Bing.  Many people will just catch the subject and jump to a conclusion.... or read the summary of the first post and jump to a conclusion.  It is one reason that "fake news" spreads.  And it is also how poorly worded titles slant the news horribly.

Here is an extremely recent yet totally unrelated example.  The Virginia Senate had a bill pass committee and then pass the floor that would remove an ancient "blue law" that forbids guns in churches without a horribly, vaguely worded "good reason".  This would then make churches be like ALL OTHER private property in the Commonwealth- the owners can set their OWN rules and it would be enforced by trespass laws.  The "anti" governor of course said he would veto it.... because, because, "guns are bad!!!"  Keep in mind this hasn't even passed the House yet.  So reading through various media reports, what are their titles?  Things like this:

"Virginia paves the way for guns in churches"
"Virginia Senate passes bill to allow guns in churches"
"As Northam decries gun violence, Virginia Senate OKs guns in Churches"
"Guns In Church OKed As Gov. Northam Urges Restrictions"

Let's try some different wording:

"Virginia Senate passes bill allowing churches to decide how to handle guns on their property"
"Virginia Senate wants to revert old 'blue law' that takes away churches' rights"
"Virginia Senate seeks church property to be like all other private property regarding guns"
"Virginia Senate takes bold stand so churches can protect their congregations"

etc, you get the idea.  It happens with just about every topic imaginable.  Sound bytes do matter.  It is what people see and get hung on, get repeated, and get noticed.  If you were looking to buy a bike, seeing some [presumably] bogus "Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending" results might turn you off before you even research the topic yourself.  If that guy hit every forum and then some review sites, etc, and people there also repeat what they have seen/heard, it magnifies greatly.  Of course, we usually have no control over this stuff- but in this case, we do.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2018, 05:53:07 pm
Codswallop???   I like it!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 29, 2018, 06:04:11 pm
Codswallop???   I like it!

Yeesh, I wrote all that crap and you get all excited for a single word from his once sentence!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on January 29, 2018, 06:33:49 pm
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concours14+brake+lawsuit (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concours14+brake+lawsuit)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2018, 06:39:02 pm
Yeesh, I wrote all that crap and you get all excited for a single word from his once sentence!

I'm a wild and crazy guy!  Easily distracted.  It's my downfall unfortunately.  :-[   After 4 beers I just can't take this seriously at all.   Well, 5.


 
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 29, 2018, 08:35:47 pm
[url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concours14+brake+lawsuit[/url] ([url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concours14+brake+lawsuit[/url])


Yeah, and guess what comes up?  This thread.  Blah.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on January 29, 2018, 09:59:24 pm
Yeesh, I wrote all that crap and you get all excited for a single word from his once sentence!

Yep, a lesson to be learned there, eh max'?  :stirpot: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on January 29, 2018, 10:24:07 pm
Yep, a lesson to be learned there, eh max'?  :stirpot: :popcorn:

Yeah, I need to shut up OR come up with some more interesting words.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit (allegedly) pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 30, 2018, 12:11:56 am
Yeesh, I wrote all that crap and you get all excited for a single word from his once sentence!

You shouldn't over articulate then :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes [probably] fake testimonial
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 30, 2018, 12:24:38 am
I think you overestimate most people's patience for reading and research :)  Especially so if a bad subject gets indexed by a major site like Google or Bing.  Many people will just catch the subject and jump to a conclusion.... or read the summary of the first post and jump to a conclusion.  It is one reason that "fake news" spreads.  And it is also how poorly worded titles slant the news horribly.

Here is an extremely recent yet totally unrelated example.  The Virginia Senate had a bill pass committee and then pass the floor that would remove an ancient "blue law" that forbids guns in churches without a horribly, vaguely worded "good reason".  This would then make churches be like ALL OTHER private property in the Commonwealth- the owners can set their OWN rules and it would be enforced by trespass laws.  The "anti" governor of course said he would veto it.... because, because, "guns are bad!!!"  Keep in mind this hasn't even passed the House yet.  So reading through various media reports, what are their titles?  Things like this:

"Virginia paves the way for guns in churches"
"Virginia Senate passes bill to allow guns in churches"
"As Northam decries gun violence, Virginia Senate OKs guns in Churches"
"Guns In Church OKed As Gov. Northam Urges Restrictions"

Let's try some different wording:

"Virginia Senate passes bill allowing churches to decide how to handle guns on their property"
"Virginia Senate wants to revert old 'blue law' that takes away churches' rights"
"Virginia Senate seeks church property to be like all other private property regarding guns"
"Virginia Senate takes bold stand so churches can protect their congregations"

etc, you get the idea.  It happens with just about every topic imaginable.  Sound bytes do matter.  It is what people see and get hung on, get repeated, and get noticed.  If you were looking to buy a bike, seeing some [presumably] bogus "Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending" results might turn you off before you even research the topic yourself.  If that guy hit every forum and then some review sites, etc, and people there also repeat what they have seen/heard, it magnifies greatly.  Of course, we usually have no control over this stuff- but in this case, we do.
Actually there is a huge difference.

In the unrelated example you gave the headlines you disagree with are (or at least appear to be based on your synopsis)  factually accurate just not emotively accurate/neutral and say the same thing albeit in a marginally shorter format then your revised wording.


As an aside the US has 5% of the world population yet 31% of the worlds non terrorist/warfare gun related deaths.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on January 30, 2018, 03:49:05 am
Welcome to America where you never have to worry about a foreign army invading. Please bring your own weapon because you can't have mine.  8) 
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes [probably] fake testimonial
Post by: B.D.F. on January 30, 2018, 06:47:30 am
Yes, and as it relates to motorcycles, we require fewer methods / devices for locking our motorcycles. ROFLMAO Very good friend of ours was a Brit. and I swear, the first time he visited and stayed with us, he was kinda' waiting for a gunfight to break out in the street. Funny because I live 'Normal America' (you know, kinda' like "Pleasantville") and that does not happen, unlike 'Newspaper America', where it happens all the time.

And it was great the way you hooked Max and as far as I could tell, you did not even use any bait! Maybe someone else 'primed' him and he just happened to be gobsmacked by your post?

[yeah, there's the bait]  ;D

I have been ignoring this thread simply because I thought it had no merit or value. It still has no merit or value but now it has a passing amusement factor....

But on a serious note, I do agree with Max regarding shortening headlines and actually think it is far worse than he describes. We alter headlines until they are simply not true. A while back, I saw one titled 'Man gets ticket for going 2 MPH UNDER the speed limit!'. So I went and read the article. What really happened was that the person was riding in the left lane, at less than the speed limit, and people were passing him on the right. So an LEO cited him for 'impeding traffic', which is quite different than getting a ticket for driving at any specific speed. 'Big Al' once said: 'Make everything as simple as possible but no simpler' meaning that at some point in simplification it becomes incorrect rather than simple. "The sun burns really hot" is very simple, so simple it is wrong.

Brian

Actually there is a huge difference.

In the unrelated example you gave the headlines you disagree with are (or at least appear to be based on your synopsis)  factually accurate just not emotively accurate/neutral and say the same thing albeit in a marginally shorter format then your revised wording.


As an aside the US has 5% of the world population yet 31% of the worlds non terrorist/warfare gun related deaths.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes [probably] fake testimonial
Post by: mikeyw64 on January 30, 2018, 06:58:39 am
I agree with you .

It would have more accurately read

"Man gets ticket *whilst* going 2mph below speed limit"

which then leaves the question:

"What did he get the ticket for?"


A while back, I saw one titled 'Man gets ticket for going 2 MPH UNDER the speed limit!'. So I went and read the article. What really happened was that the person was riding in the left lane, at less than the speed limit, and people were passing him on the right. So an LEO cited him for 'impeding traffic', which is quite different than getting a ticket for driving at any specific speed. '
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: oldnslo on January 30, 2018, 09:21:27 am
after getting sucked in to reading all this bullcookies, i think the part about ducks  made more sense than all the rest of this diatribe :thumbdown
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes [probably] fake testimonial
Post by: maxtog on January 30, 2018, 03:26:24 pm
As an aside the US has 5% of the world population yet 31% of the worlds non terrorist/warfare gun related deaths.


That is off-topic (since it is not an example), although worthy of response, and I have addressed it here:  http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=20962.msg287542#msg287542 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=20962.msg287542#msg287542)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes [probably] fake testimonial
Post by: maxtog on January 30, 2018, 03:33:25 pm
And it was great the way you hooked Max and as far as I could tell, you did not even use any bait! Maybe someone else 'primed' him and he just happened to be gobsmacked by your post?

Nope, I just have to do that thing called "work" and no need to respond until I could give it the time and attention it deserves... which you can see I [hopefully] did, just in the appropriate thread.   Hey- you know me, I am always up to a good argument :) :)

Quote
But on a serious note, I do agree with Max regarding shortening headlines and actually think it is far worse than he describes. We alter headlines until they are simply not true.

I get so angry at so-called "news" reports because they are so slanted, biased, terse, braindead, opinionated, and often just plain WRONG that I tend to not even want to consume any of it at all.  And it would be one thing if it were just incompetence, but it is usually very intentional to push a specific political agenda or at least to just sensationalize everything to death to get more "eyes."
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: B.D.F. on January 30, 2018, 03:40:57 pm
This is America and the Internet- is there not a duck forum out there somewhere more worthy of your time?

:-)

Brian

after getting sucked in to reading all this bullcookies, i think the part about ducks  made more sense than all the rest of this diatribe :thumbdown
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes [probably] fake testimonial
Post by: B.D.F. on January 30, 2018, 03:42:56 pm
Yep, just plain incorrect. It has gotten to the point where I really just do not believe anything and only occasionally chase (read: click) on a headline that grabs my interest for some reason but never the reason they published it the way that they did.

Real newspeople of a generation or two ago would be embarassed I think.

Brian


<snip>

I get so angry at so-called "news" reports because they are so slanted, biased, terse, braindead, opinionated, and often just plain WRONG that I tend to not even want to consume any of it at all.  And it would be one thing if it were just incompetence, but it is usually very intentional to push a specific political agenda or at least to just sensationalize everything to death to get more "eyes."
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on January 30, 2018, 09:23:08 pm
He's pokin his head (easy boys) back in but not posting as far as I can tell.  I'm starting to think this is a trolling maneuver just to stir things up.


With that being said, I'm not going to nuke it or modify the subject line.

please
just nuke it...
 it's a worthless thread, un followed by the o/p, has no relevant content.. and just make people do stoooopid responses.

an excercise kinda like how to keep a blond chick in suspense...

some folks are just a-holes.. for whatever reason... and post once.....
and some bite the worm, and get hooked...
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: sanmo on January 31, 2018, 05:33:30 am
Welcome to America where you never have to worry about a foreign army invading. Please bring your own weapon because you can't have mine.  8)

I'll sleep better if assured that your pea-shooter can stop one of Kim Jong Un's bottle rockets..... 8)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on January 31, 2018, 05:38:31 am
...and you're sure it can't?  :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: sanmo on January 31, 2018, 06:04:39 am
Not sure of anything. But if you were to personally go to NK and nailed him while he's playing with his buttons... :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 31, 2018, 12:13:37 pm
Well, once everyone stops posting in this thread I may or may not lock it.  Depends how many I've had whilst making the decision.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Conrad on January 31, 2018, 12:48:15 pm
Well, once everyone stops posting in this thread I may or may not lock it.  Depends how many I've had whilst making the decision.

How many does it normally take on average?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 31, 2018, 01:34:44 pm
More than two, but less than 5 and only on a Tuesday.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: lather on February 01, 2018, 03:16:46 pm
Well its Thursday, how many on Thursdays?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on February 01, 2018, 04:15:53 pm
Well if we can get away from V'Jim's drinking habits (as fascinating as that is) just for a minute.

I've done a little online research and I think I've found it, to both of you that are still interested ( :) ) here is a link.

(edit: Link removed at OP's request)
You'll need to click on the links on that page for more info.

So, because he answered my PM and the info these links provide, I'm of the opinion that, although it maybe in vain on his part,
I don't think it's BS or... what was that wonderful word..OH yes..."codswallop". Your opinions may continue to differ.

I now return you to V'Jim's drinking...and what else?....Ducks..yes I think it was Ducks.






 
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: B.D.F. on February 01, 2018, 05:19:11 pm
I am not interested in brake lawsuits nor Jim's drinking (especially because last I knew, he was drinking gin & tonic to ward off any possible malaria attacks) but frankly I am hanging my head in shame a little bit about the continuing use of that word.... you know, cod-------. I mean, isn't that the stuff that a male cod provides to female..... I mean, this is a family forum, right? And is that not a 'bad word' to expose children to or even speak about in polite, mixed company? I would think that word would be at least an 'R' rated word, and depending on exactly what the cod were doi..... I mean, depending on where the cod------- ended up, would that not really carry an NC-17 rating?

Just sayin'.  Maybe you should look into that further Marty, you know, just be on the safe side?

Brian

Well if we can get away from V'Jim's drinking habits (as fascinating as that is) just for a minute.

I've done a little online research and I think I've found it, to both of you that are still interested ( :) ) here is a link.

You'll need to click on the links on that page for more info.

So, because he answered my PM and the info these links provide, I'm of the opinion that, although it maybe in vain on his part,
I don't think it's BS or... what was that wonderful word..OH yes..."codswallop". Your opinions may continue to differ.

I now return you to V'Jim's drinking...and what else?....Ducks..yes I think it was Ducks.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on February 01, 2018, 05:31:16 pm
I think you're getting confused somewhere Brian.


Codswallop is a perfectly good family friendly word and not a euphemism for anything :)


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=codswallop&oq=codswallop&aqs=chrome..69i57.3870j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=codswallop&oq=codswallop&aqs=chrome..69i57.3870j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)


Cod Roe is eggs whilst Cod Sperm is used to fertilise the eggs (if they're not being eaten as a delicacy that is)

And neither Roe nor Sperm are R rated words :)




I am not interested in brake lawsuits nor Jim's drinking (especially because last I knew, he was drinking gin & tonic to ward off any possible malaria attacks) but frankly I am hanging my head in shame a little bit about the continuing use of that word.... you know, cod-------. I mean, isn't that the stuff that a male cod provides to female..... I mean, this is a family forum, right? And is that not a 'bad word' to expose children to or even speak about in polite, mixed company? I would think that word would be at least an 'R' rated word, and depending on exactly what the cod were doi..... I mean, depending on where the cod------- ended up, would that not really carry an NC-17 rating?

Just sayin'.  Maybe you should look into that further Marty, you know, just be on the safe side?

Brian
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on February 01, 2018, 05:38:44 pm
oh and there's also a family card game called Codswallop :)


http://gingerfox.co.uk/product/codswallop/ (http://gingerfox.co.uk/product/codswallop/)


Which looks like you could keep in your Fanny Pack (snigger snigger if you're British at that one) for use whilst out and about
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on February 01, 2018, 06:21:14 pm
..... frankly I am hanging my head in shame a little bit about the continuing use of that word.... you know, cod-------. I mean, isn't that the stuff that a male cod provides to female..... I mean, this is a family forum, right?
  :D

OK, so how do feel about ducks?  ???
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on February 01, 2018, 06:42:31 pm
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/414Xa7Av6PL._AC_UL320_SR216,320_.jpg)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on February 01, 2018, 08:20:22 pm
So, because he answered my PM and the info these links provide, I'm of the opinion that, although it maybe in vain on his part,
I don't think it's BS or... what was that wonderful word..OH yes..."codswallop". Your opinions may continue to differ.

I never had any doubt that someone is trying to make a lawsuit.  ANYONE can sue anyone for anything they want, and there are TONS of money-hungry law agencies that are constantly trying to find and whip up "class action suits."  Even on the rare occasion they go through with it, the consumers usually get almost nothing and lawyers get tons of money.  My assertion is that there is nothing TO this action because I do not believe there is any wide-spread problem in the first place.  Inotherwords, there is no substance, just someone trolling trying to find justification and gather people that have similar problems.  But the story doesn't make sense as presented and we know there is no systemic problem as described.  We know the bike too well and have gathered information from thousands of owners over many years.  Aside from MaMa Kawasaki (who of course wouldn't say anything) we would be the first to know if there were such problems.

So to me, it is very offensive to see drivel about [what is obviously an attempt at] class-action lawsuits because it implies there really is some widespread, horrible problem with the Concours, when I firmly believe there isn't.  People seeing such alarming verbiage will assume there must be some problem or something to this.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: B.D.F. on February 01, 2018, 08:29:23 pm
Yeah, remember that little scare we all had with KiPass for the last ten years or so? Pretty scary I tells's ya'.

Brian

I never had any doubt that someone is trying to make a lawsuit.  ANYONE can sue anyone for anything they want, and there are TONS of money-hungry law agencies that are constantly trying to find and whip up "class action suits."  Even on the rare occasion they go through with it, the consumers usually get almost nothing and lawyers get tons of money.  My assertion is that there is nothing TO this action because I do not believe there is any wide-spread problem in the first place.  Inotherwords, there is no substance, just someone trolling trying to find justification and gather people that have similar problems.  But the story doesn't make sense as presented and we know there is no systemic problem as described.  We know the bike too well and have gathered information from thousands of owners over many years.  Aside from MaMa Kawasaki (who of course wouldn't say anything) we would be the first to know if there were such problems.

So to me, it is very offensive to see drivel about [what is obviously an attempt at] class-action lawsuits because it implies there really is some widespread, horrible problem with the Concours, when I firmly believe there isn't.  People seeing such alarming verbiage will assume there must be some problem or something to this.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: B.D.F. on February 01, 2018, 08:31:39 pm
OK, I guess it is OK then. It is just when I hear 'cod' and 'swallow', my mind thinks up all kinds of euphemisms, visual imaging and so forth. And I have a young, impressionable kitten around here that I am trying to keep on the straight & narrow. It is not easy raising girls.....

Brian

I think you're getting confused somewhere Brian.


Codswallop is a perfectly good family friendly word and not a euphemism for anything :)


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=codswallop&oq=codswallop&aqs=chrome..69i57.3870j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=codswallop&oq=codswallop&aqs=chrome..69i57.3870j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)


Cod Roe is eggs whilst Cod Sperm is used to fertilise the eggs (if they're not being eaten as a delicacy that is)

And neither Roe nor Sperm are R rated words :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: B.D.F. on February 01, 2018, 08:42:45 pm
No real opinion about ducks here. There is some kind of big, water- bird that seems to wander over from the pond across the street and leave amazingly big piles of what Mike would probably call 'soft- serve links' or some such thing, and after watching my neighbor slip on one of them, they appear to be as slipper as owl..... well, you know. But they are not ducks. Not sure what they are- I really do not know my water- birds very well at all. Probably just as well I do not hunt them- I would probably be trying for a mallard (whatever that is, specifically) and come home with a Cessna or something.

But I can tell ducks from seagulls and I know that because this one time, a banned camp, my father- in- law (not originally from around here, speaks with an accent and sometimes uses a word that is only close, not quite right) kept saying he wanted to eat outside, 'near the ducks'. Well, I am looking all around for ducks and do not see any so I ask again and he repeats, let's eat at one of those tables near the ducks. ?? We sit at a picnic table and break out chow and I just cannot stand it and so I ask 'where are the ducks'? He looks at me like I am from some other planet and says 'you cannot see them? There must be about a million of them all over the place!'. Ah, gotcha': his 'ducks' were seagulls. He also has the amusing language quirk of doubling up on his adjectives..... for example, nothing is ever 'small', it would instead be 'small, little', I guess as opposed to the 'small, gigantic' version. :-)  Not breaking the guy's chops, his English is actually excellent and he speaks a lot more languages than I do so it's all good.

Now, back ONTOPIC: Yes, I think we should sue ducks for bad hydraulics!

Brian

  :D

OK, so how do feel about ducks?  ???
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on February 02, 2018, 12:48:59 am
what sort of seagull was it ?

was it one of the flying rats aka a herring type gull or was it one of the more petite black headed type of seagull?



No real opinion about ducks here. There is some kind of big, water- bird that seems to wander over from the pond across the street and leave amazingly big piles of what Mike would probably call 'soft- serve links' or some such thing, and after watching my neighbor slip on one of them, they appear to be as slipper as owl..... well, you know. But they are not ducks. Not sure what they are- I really do not know my water- birds very well at all. Probably just as well I do not hunt them- I would probably be trying for a mallard (whatever that is, specifically) and come home with a Cessna or something.

But I can tell ducks from seagulls and I know that because this one time, a banned camp, my father- in- law (not originally from around here, speaks with an accent and sometimes uses a word that is only close, not quite right) kept saying he wanted to eat outside, 'near the ducks'. Well, I am looking all around for ducks and do not see any so I ask again and he repeats, let's eat at one of those tables near the ducks. ?? We sit at a picnic table and break out chow and I just cannot stand it and so I ask 'where are the ducks'? He looks at me like I am from some other planet and says 'you cannot see them? There must be about a million of them all over the place!'. Ah, gotcha': his 'ducks' were seagulls. He also has the amusing language quirk of doubling up on his adjectives..... for example, nothing is ever 'small', it would instead be 'small, little', I guess as opposed to the 'small, gigantic' version. :-)  Not breaking the guy's chops, his English is actually excellent and he speaks a lot more languages than I do so it's all good.

Now, back ONTOPIC: Yes, I think we should sue ducks for bad hydraulics!

Brian
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Conrad on February 02, 2018, 04:20:39 am


(http://i.imgur.com/m1aV9.gif)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: O.C. on February 02, 2018, 04:41:43 am

([url]http://i.imgur.com/m1aV9.gif[/url])



That's funny   :rotflmao:   
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 02, 2018, 05:46:59 am
Well its Thursday, how many on Thursdays?


One, but it was large.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on February 02, 2018, 01:00:31 pm
oh and there's also a family card game called Codswallop :)


[url]http://gingerfox.co.uk/product/codswallop/[/url] ([url]http://gingerfox.co.uk/product/codswallop/[/url])


Which looks like you could keep in your Fanny Pack (snigger snigger if you're British at that one) for use whilst out and about


I'm a bit late to the humor mill... been offline...
when I saw the word "Codswallop", I snorked coffee out my nose, as it's too close to another funny name, from a movie I adore...
name that film?

Mrs. Hogwallop done R-U-N-N-O-F-T...

http://youtu.be/tsAZ0RweVxk (https://youtu.be/tsAZ0RweVxk)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on February 02, 2018, 01:53:37 pm
I'm a bit late to the humor mill... been offline...
when I saw the word "Codswallop", I snorked coffee out my nose, as it's too close to another funny name, from a movie I adore...
name that film?

Mrs. Hogwallop done R-U-N-N-O-F-T...

[url]http://youtu.be/tsAZ0RweVxk[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/tsAZ0RweVxk[/url])
George Clooneys best ever film IMHO :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: tjhess74 on February 03, 2018, 09:55:24 am
Guys, while many of you are astute observers and noticed quickly that this guy's story doesn't add up, you are all missing what's going on here. It's not spam, it's a scam. This post will get some money-starved person to contact his 'attorney' and say he has the same issue. The 'attorney' will agree and offer to include this person in the 'lawsuit'. In order to do so, the 'attorney' must be hired. This will require the transfer of funds to cover initial 'attorney' fees.  Person will then be out of that money because there is no lawsuit and there is no 'attorney'.

This is the classic scam with a slight twist. The more current one is a 'grandson' calling a grandmother claiming to be stuck in jail and needing thousands of dollars to get out. Works far too often.

My suggestion is to delete this thread, as it has potential to be dangerous to someone unsuspecting.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on February 03, 2018, 10:27:35 am
Guys, while many of you are astute observers and noticed quickly that this guy's story doesn't add up, you are all missing what's going on here.

On my behalf, I would say that I didn't miss it at all...  scam or spam, it has the same effect...

Quote
My suggestion is to delete this thread, as it has potential to be dangerous to someone unsuspecting.

Something I asserted a long time ago.  Locking it isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on February 03, 2018, 10:32:57 am
On my behalf, I would say that I didn't miss it at all...  scam or spam, it has the same effect...

Something I asserted a long time ago.  Locking it isn't good enough.

We don't need nannyng thanks :)

Anyways this is an interesting thread ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on February 03, 2018, 10:36:30 am
We don't need nannyng thanks :)

Sorry, riled up about it.  :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: B.D.F. on February 03, 2018, 10:46:32 am
Well locally, we call them S---hawks. Not sure of the type, just the usual all- white seagull, about 2' to 3' wingspan. We do not have any black headed seagulls around here that I know of or have seen.

Now I have been told that one can rig a fishing line and hook with a worm, toss the worm and hook high into the sky and actually catch a seagull. Never tried it myself and it is unnecessarily cruel of course but still, it has a certain humorous value because gulls are SO VERY hated by most who live near or work on the water. Not only do they coat the entire world and everything in it with their droppings but they have this cute thing that they do to crack open shellfish by flying very high with them and dropping them onto rock clusters, then fly down and eat the innards of said shellfish. Now substitute the words "fiberglass boat" or "glass windshield" for rock cluster and it is easily seen why they are hated. And the damned things are more accurate than if they had a Norden bombsight!

Pests though they are, their eyesight and ability to react is extraordinary. Back in the olden' days, I used to quahog for money. Now freshly dug, a quahog (a hard- shelled clam local to RI and MA) is black with a very faint white or light gray line at the edge of the shells. One digs up about a gazillion rocks that look almost exactly like a quahog. Of course, all around and all over the boat are s---hawks, hoping to get fed, which they do when the quahogger throws the occasionally crab or similar back in: the gull grabs it before it is more than a food deep in the water. The gulls will also grab any quahog that is tossed into the water. But they never, ever go after the rocks. And I mean never. Smart, fast- thinking and acting birds that never, ever miss a real quahog and never, ever go after a quahog- looking rock that fools us humans every single time.

Brian

what sort of seagull was it ?

was it one of the flying rats aka a herring type gull or was it one of the more petite black headed type of seagull?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 03, 2018, 01:30:45 pm
Guys, while many of you are astute observers and noticed quickly that this guy's story doesn't add up, you are all missing what's going on here. It's not spam, it's a scam. This post will get some money-starved person to contact his 'attorney' and say he has the same issue. The 'attorney' will agree and offer to include this person in the 'lawsuit'. In order to do so, the 'attorney' must be hired. This will require the transfer of funds to cover initial 'attorney' fees.  Person will then be out of that money because there is no lawsuit and there is no 'attorney'.

This is the classic scam with a slight twist. The more current one is a 'grandson' calling a grandmother claiming to be stuck in jail and needing thousands of dollars to get out. Works far too often.

My suggestion is to delete this thread, as it has potential to be dangerous to someone unsuspecting.


I would hope that anyone reading this would surmise that this may not be what it seems and not do something that stupid...   However, if they do then I guess there's one born every minute.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: tjhess74 on February 03, 2018, 02:35:53 pm
I agree that it should be obvious enough that it's a scam, but I'll say that it isn't unfortunately. The first couple of pages of this thread were dedicated to actually researching if this was a legit problem or not. So perhaps it's not that obvious, or the first couple of pages are our forum's suckers. Yes, suckers are born every minute, and there's a high likelihood that one or two type amongst us.  As 'entertaining' as it may be, there is an actual financial risk for someone to get sucked into this, yet we hold the power with the stroke of a button to prevent it, keep our forum clean, and show that there is no tolerance for this kind of trash.

All it takes is one newbie that doesn't quite understand how non-issue this really is, to make that contact to try to protect himself against Corporate America, only to get suckered...right here on our forum.  I've been in law enforcement long enough to know how devastating something like this can be.

Besides, you can sit and judge someone for being a sucker until you're blue in the face. Hopefully you still have that type of resolve when it happens to your elderly parent or good friend. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to fall for this...yet it happens every minute.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 03, 2018, 03:26:35 pm

Point taken, Tom.  However, I'm leaning more on the legit side now.


I'm taking a wait and see approach which means the thread stays open and in place unless I get overruled by the Grand Poohbah or the Axe Man.  I don't like throttling discussions if I can help it.  In my younger days, probably.   Now not so much.  Still a free forum.  7 pages on supposedly nothing....hmmm.   At least it's about the C14 so it's in the right board.

Well if we can get away from V'Jim's drinking habits (as fascinating as that is) just for a minute.

I've done a little online research and I think I've found it, to both of you that are still interested ( :) ) here is a link.

https://portal.monterey.courts.ca.gov/case/MTdDVjAwNDA1NA==#info (https://portal.monterey.courts.ca.gov/case/MTdDVjAwNDA1NA==#info)
You'll need to click on the links on that page for more info.

So, because he answered my PM and the info these links provide, I'm of the opinion that, although it maybe in vain on his part,
I don't think it's BS or... what was that wonderful word..OH yes..."codswallop". Your opinions may continue to differ.

I now return you to V'Jim's drinking...and what else?....Ducks..yes I think it was Ducks.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: lather on February 03, 2018, 08:51:01 pm
I commend your decision to Jim to not censor. Freedom of speech is one thing that makes this forum better than (some) other  forum. Agree with mikey we don't need nannying. If an owner does have a similar complaint he can join the suit. If someone seeks tp gain from the suit without a legitimate complaint he deserves what he gets if it is a scam. As for this thread damaging the rep of the C14, it does just the opposite. One skeychy negative post from a newby versus many postives from long time owners.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: KawaC14 on February 20, 2018, 10:19:41 am
Well, if ya want more information from someone to determine their intentions, attacking them out of the gate really isn't the best way. Seems like they have pretty much shut down communication on this forum so I guess we will never know. I tried to get more information via a PM with no response. I am curious.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on February 20, 2018, 11:14:59 am
Well I doubt we'll know anything more until March 6th, after which we may see more dates further ahead, or nothing. If nothing then I think we can surmise that they settled and that the settlement is confidential. If it is dismissed than I think we will see that on the court's website. Time will tell, but I still think it's legit...but going way back I thought Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy were real...so there's that.

The lawyers involved:

Representing the OP ( Feral Cat) ---->  https://www.caconsumeradvocate.com/meet-attorney-howard-d-silver (https://www.caconsumeradvocate.com/meet-attorney-howard-d-silver)

Representing Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. ---->   https://www.wilsonelser.com/attorneys/ralph_w_robinson (https://www.wilsonelser.com/attorneys/ralph_w_robinson)

......any ducks involved appear to be unrepresented at this time...AFLAC!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on February 20, 2018, 11:23:42 am
Well, if ya want more information from someone to determine their intentions, attacking them out of the gate really isn't the best way.

I agree.

That happens frequently on other forums, usually not so much here. As elite as we are here, we're still human and fallible.  :-\
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on February 20, 2018, 11:33:23 am
If I recall this is a state lawsuit concerning Cali's lemon law. Not really a national issue. Interesting but not earth shattering.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on February 20, 2018, 03:54:25 pm
Well, if ya want more information from someone to determine their intentions, attacking them out of the gate really isn't the best way. Seems like they have pretty much shut down communication on this forum so I guess we will never know. I tried to get more information via a PM with no response. I am curious.

I can only really speak for my own posts- I didn't attack anyone, I simply pointed out that the supposition was probably wrong (implying there is some widespread problem) and said "I am not trying to dismiss or diminish what happened to you, but try to set a perspective."  If you then read the other postings on the first two pages- they are all similar, all asking questions and statements that correctly try to make sense of a posting that otherwise doesn't have much face validity (well, until the "ducks" nonsense).  To me, nothing that looks like an attack.  It wasn't until Man Of Blues posted, almost two days later (still with no followup information from the OP), before something hostile surfaced (but MOB does tend to do that sometimes).  And what he said is all probably correct, if not harshly delivered.  But I can certainly understand his frustration with something that looks like it could be construed as slander/liable.

Perhaps the reason he only posted once and doesn't respond is just validation that something is fishy- like the information is not accurate or exaggerated, or he is some clerk or someone who joined for the sole purpose of trying to drum up a case to sue over.   Or he is just selfish- here to get "support" but not to discuss or learn or really share anything that could help others.  Hard to say.  Marty said "Feral Cat" responded to a PM, which is something, but not much.

Even if it is legit, that still doesn't mean the circumstances of the original post are valid or make any sense.  One might read the entire thing as:

"OMG, I bought a bike and had problems!  Kawasaki can't fix the problems!!  I could have lost my life!!  Somehow they are all related so this is a design problem with the C14! Kawasaki admitted it- they even said ALL Concours before 2016 have issues.  Even all the police stopped using it because of this!!! You should spread the news to join or help my lawsuit with examples!"
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: KawaC14 on February 21, 2018, 09:56:16 am
Yes, I apologize,  "attack" is the wrong word. It wasn't a warm fuzzy kinda response to his post.  Perhaps he hasnt responded because they are busy in court. ???
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on March 09, 2018, 12:58:24 pm
Currently (3-6-2018) at court ordered mediation.

Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on March 09, 2018, 03:11:43 pm
He's Still hangin around, and checking on his thread... but nothing to say..... ::)

Last Active: Today at 11:05:53 am

interesting case description...
Case Type: Breach of Contract/Warranty

activity stretching out....

HEARINGS
Dept.                     Date    Time                File    Type                                          Result   
Department 14         3/6/2018   9:00AM              Conference: Case Management          Held   
Department 14     6/26/2018   9:02AM      Conference: Case Management

as for "recall issues", the fact o/p makes written statements here, basing the choice by some police departments to forego using the ZG platform, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the integrity of the motorcycle as delivered and sold... all of the issues revolved around the addition of "outfitting specialty gear" to those bikes, and fall directly on the "outfitter" of these squad bikes...
Just the same as if you or I as an aftermarket customer was to retrofit a different windshield, Handle bar modifications, or any electronic equipment in a manner that proves to be unsafe.

http://wemakeitsafer.com/vehicle-recall/Kawasaki-Concours-14-Recall-4406464 (http://wemakeitsafer.com/vehicle-recall/Kawasaki-Concours-14-Recall-4406464)

and

http://www.arfc.org/motorcycles/kawasaki/concours_14/recalls.aspx (http://www.arfc.org/motorcycles/kawasaki/concours_14/recalls.aspx)

here are the formal recalls, and additional ones were the initial one of the rear brake pedal could be "wedged" by debris or a small stone... ( there were 2 recalls in total to cover the issue), also the original tail rack, made from plastic, was not suited for the addition of a large trunk... and issues arose from customer additions.. only other problem documented were a few instances of the headlight  adjuster knobs "falling off", not a safety issue at all...
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: jimmymac on March 22, 2018, 01:05:03 pm
Once again the superiority of the Gen 1 shines through. 8)
Unless you were lucky enough to score mine. No nannies on my 2010. The last year to opt out of any of it.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on March 22, 2018, 06:17:41 pm
Unless you were lucky enough to score mine. No nannies on my 2010. The last year to opt out of any of it.

As I've said elsewhere, I think that is the rarest of all C14s. It's different than the Gen I's and yet still different from most of the Gen II's.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on March 22, 2018, 08:06:52 pm
As I've said elsewhere, I think that is the rarest of all C14s. It's different than the Gen I's and yet still different from most of the Gen II's.

Actually, I the 2010 is identical to the later Gen2's in every way except that the ABS system was optional.  But that optional system was the same as the 2011+ system, not the optional system used on 2008-2009.  It was made standard in 2011.

So a 2010+ with ABS has linked brakes a 2008-2009 with ABS does not.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on March 23, 2018, 03:52:36 am
Are you sure about the linked brakes? Where's the traction control?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on March 23, 2018, 05:46:20 am
Are you sure about the linked brakes?

Based on reviews and research, yes.  2010: "2nd Generation K-ACT (Kawasaki Advanced Coactive-braking Technology) ABS links front and rear brakes for most effective front-rear brake force distribution"

Quote
Where's the traction control?

That was a standard gen 2 feature, 2010+.  2010: "KTRC (Kawasaki Traction Control): Kawasaki’s first traction control system reduces engine output when wheel spin is detected, allowing the rear tire to regain grip.  Advanced, 3-way control (airflow, ignition timing, fuel delivery) gives KTRC smooth operation"
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on March 23, 2018, 08:19:56 am
Actually, I the 2010 is identical to the later Gen2's in every way except that the ABS system was optional. 

Yes, but the '10 non ABS doesn't have Traction control nor linked brakes, and it has part number 43095-0501 (front brakes) that to the best of my knowledge no other model of C14 and perhaps no other Kawasaki bike uses. This is all based online part fiche research (rainy days) so it's accuracy is based on that. There may be a different meter for that model as well that no other bike uses. Now I'm starting to wonder about the switch gear on the left bar. It should have the meter change button that was formerly for the flash to pass, but no abs or trac buttons yet still have the newer flash to pass Incorporated in the Hi/lo beam switch. That might be another unique part. I can see why mama Kaw quit doing that in '11.

Jimmymac, does your meter/dash have the ABS and Traction control lights (non functioning) on the tach?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on March 23, 2018, 04:05:24 pm
Yes, but the '10 non ABS doesn't have Traction control nor linked brakes, and it has part number 43095-0501 (front brakes) that to the best of my knowledge no other model of C14 and perhaps no other Kawasaki bike uses.

Linking is a function of 2010+ ABS.  So without ABS on a 2010, there was no linking either.  Of that, there is no question.

But my research seemed to indicate that traction control was standard.  TC has nothing to do with ABS.  I am pretty sure the light would be on the dash (I doubt they would have another whole dash, especially since I doubt they would use the older gen1 dash which was yellow and not white back lighting).  The only other "part" is the TC switch (everything else is just software)...  maybe they used a different handlebar switch cluster (gen 1?) so it had no ABS linking button on it which also took away the TC button?  Inquiring minds!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on March 23, 2018, 04:39:45 pm
Linking is a function of 2010+ ABS.  So without ABS on a 2010, there was no linking either.  Of that, there is no question.

But my research seemed to indicate that traction control was standard.  TC has nothing to do with ABS.  I am pretty sure the light would be on the dash (I doubt they would have another whole dash, especially since I doubt they would use the older gen1 dash which was yellow and not white back lighting).  The only other "part" is the TC switch (everything else is just software)...  maybe they used a different handlebar switch cluster (gen 1?) so it had no ABS linking button on it which also took away the TC button?  Inquiring minds!


Depends how it's implemented.

Hondas ST1100 used the rear wheel ABS sensor as part of the TCS that was fitted.

Admittedly a lot older bike and yes technically its a diffferent thing, just with a shared component :)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on March 23, 2018, 04:53:50 pm

Depends how it's implemented.

Hondas ST1100 used the rear wheel ABS sensor as part of the TCS that was fitted.

Admittedly a lot older bike and yes technically its a diffferent thing, just with a shared component :)

Ooooh, very good point/observation!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on March 23, 2018, 04:59:45 pm
Linking is a function of 2010+ ABS.  So without ABS on a 2010, there was no linking either.  Of that, there is no question.

But my research seemed to indicate that traction control was standard.  TC has nothing to do with ABS.  I am pretty sure the light would be on the dash (I doubt they would have another whole dash, especially since I doubt they would use the older gen1 dash which was yellow and not white back lighting).  The only other "part" is the TC switch (everything else is just software)...  maybe they used a different handlebar switch cluster (gen 1?) so it had no ABS linking button on it which also took away the TC button?  Inquiring minds!

I thought the ABS and traction control both used the same wheel speed sensors. Maybe I'm wrong tho.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on March 23, 2018, 05:08:54 pm
The parts fiche for the non ABS '10 C14 do not show wheel speed sensors so I don't know how traction control could work without them.

The Kawasaki site defaults to the ABS owner's manual even when you select the non-ABS model....so?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: B.D.F. on March 24, 2018, 07:56:40 am
Traction control was introduced with the Gen.2 C-14 in 2010. Kawasaki put on that demo with wet plastic that no one could ride (power) over until the T/C was engaged as a big part of the intro. Not sure when linked brakes showed up but ABS was still an option for 2010 and finally made standard on all bikes in 2011.

But the way traction control works, the ABS wheel sensors would be needed even on the non- ABS models for the traction control alone. Probably why they just went ABS on all bikes after 2010.

Brian

The parts fiche for the non ABS '10 C14 do not show wheel speed sensors so I don't know how traction control could work without them.

The Kawasaki site defaults to the ABS owner's manual even when you select the non-ABS model....so?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on March 24, 2018, 09:18:01 pm
Traction control was introduced with the Gen.2 C-14 in 2010. Kawasaki put on that demo with wet plastic that no one could ride (power) over until the T/C was engaged as a big part of the intro. Not sure when linked brakes showed up but ABS was still an option for 2010 and finally made standard on all bikes in 2011.

Linked brakes came [automatically/mandatorily] with the gen2 (2010+) ABS system.  I do know that.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on March 25, 2018, 11:43:10 am
Linked brakes came [automatically/mandatorily] with the gen2 (2010+) ABS system.  I do know that.


Agreed. I'm 99.9% sure that Linked brakes; Traction control, and ABS was the trifecta package deal option in '10, and mandatory from '11 on, at least in the U.S.

Now I'm starting to wonder about the switch gear on the left bar. It should have the meter change button that was formerly for the flash to pass, but no abs or trac buttons yet still have the newer flash to pass Incorporated in the Hi/lo beam switch. That might be another unique part.


It would appear to be so, from recent fiche research, the switch assembly seems to have blanks where the ABS and TC buttons are and it only shows usage (@ Ron Ayers) on the '10 DAF model (non-ABS) assembly part #46091-0203.

Well, we sure filled in a few pages while waiting for this lawsuit case to pan out eh? Quite the wordy bunch we are. (http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz258/ateng48/smiley-signs017.gif)
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Just to keep the talk going, what was with the reduced power models that were available in Europe? Anybody know anything about those? I mean who or why would anyone buy one of those?
Were they just for safety testing purposes government only models and not available to the public or what?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: p07r0457 on March 25, 2018, 06:41:52 pm
Just to keep the talk going, what was with the reduced power models that were available in Europe? Anybody know anything about those? I mean who or why would anyone buy one of those?
Were they just for safety testing purposes government only models and not available to the public or what?
I don't recall the exact specifics...  But I believe many European countries had power-to-weight restrictions for "newly" licensed riders.  Basically if you had your motorcycle endorsement/license for less than X number of years, you were limited in how powerful a motorcycle you could operate.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: mikeyw64 on March 26, 2018, 12:14:39 am
I don't recall the exact specifics...  But I believe many European countries had power-to-weight restrictions for "newly" licensed riders.  Basically if you had your motorcycle endorsement/license for less than X number of years, you were limited in how powerful a motorcycle you could operate.

Blame the French for the Reduced Power models as they have some stupid law that puts a 100bhp limit on motorcycles (although that may be changing (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=french+horepower+limits+motorcycles&oq=french+horsepower+limits+motorcycles&aqs=chrome..69i57.9819j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8l))


That said you are correct in that there is an EU power to weight limit for newly fully licensed riders under 24/21(depending on test path (https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirements)) but you couldn't restrict a GTR due to it's starting power being more than 94BHP ;)



"Standard motorcycle up to 35 kW (47bhp) (and a power-to-weight ratio not more than 0.2 kW per kg), bike mustn’t be derived from vehicle more than twice its power"

Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: jimmymac on March 27, 2018, 03:14:15 pm
Yes, but the '10 non ABS doesn't have Traction control nor linked brakes, and it has part number 43095-0501 (front brakes) that to the best of my knowledge no other model of C14 and perhaps no other Kawasaki bike uses. This is all based online part fiche research (rainy days) so it's accuracy is based on that. There may be a different meter for that model as well that no other bike uses. Now I'm starting to wonder about the switch gear on the left bar. It should have the meter change button that was formerly for the flash to pass, but no abs or trac buttons yet still have the newer flash to pass Incorporated in the Hi/lo beam switch. That might be another unique part. I can see why mama Kaw quit doing that in '11.

Jimmymac, does your meter/dash have the ABS and Traction control lights (non functioning) on the tach?
I'll have to get back to you on that one. It seems the windows are there, with no lamps, but I'll make sure.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: jimmymac on March 27, 2018, 03:21:08 pm
Nothing on my cluster shows any of that. 2 turn signal lamps, oil lamp, High beam lamp and the red warning lamp. Oh yeah, neutral indicator.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on March 27, 2018, 03:55:02 pm
Thanks Jimmy'.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on July 03, 2018, 11:42:59 am
I just checked and it appears that this case was settled on June 15th, and I'll bet it was made confidential in the settlement.
 However I'll see if I can PM the OP and see if he can give us details.
If he does come back,  I'll expect you folks to...

(https://orig00.deviantart.net/a9d1/f/2012/070/f/b/oh_behave_by_rumper1-d4sflrj.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: connie_rider on July 03, 2018, 11:47:52 am
Will be interesting to see what became of it.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 03, 2018, 01:27:04 pm
I think it was amazing that 9 pages of dialog took place, and the O/P only has one post to his name, the original post.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Conniesaki on July 03, 2018, 01:57:26 pm
I think it was amazing that 9 pages of dialog took place, and the O/P only has one post to his name, the original post.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Prob cuz he provided enough detail and content to seem at least somewhat plausible.

But then subsequently he got 8+ pages of a scorchin'!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: tweeter55 on July 03, 2018, 03:04:57 pm
 And now it appears to be gone.
Deleted
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on July 03, 2018, 03:47:02 pm
And now it appears to be gone.

Unfortunately, that can (and probably will with context) lead most readers to believe that the original posit of a selfish objective has been met.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on July 03, 2018, 05:13:11 pm
New forum guideline?  First reply has to quote the op for thread posterity?   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on July 03, 2018, 05:23:56 pm
They'll settle with a confidentiality agreement.

The OP answered my PM.

OK, I was wrong, it's called a non disclosure agreement, but yes it was settled and, no he can't talk about it.

I am kind of surprised how he was treated here though, just because he didn't like the brakes and got a lawyer he was called a troll and other stuff.
Over the years I've heard so many complaints about this bike, " the seat sucks, the bars hurt my shoulders (I still don't understand that one, but whatever), it's buzzy, it's jerky, it's got no cruise control, it doesn't have a key that works like the key on all my old bikes did, the brakes aren't linked right," etc. etc. etc. and yet this guy is the one that gets all the flack?

I like my C14, a lot (no it isn't love), but if someone else doesn't and instead of just complaining about it on forums, decides to go get a lawyer and take on a giant large
corporation..then my hat is off to them. 
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on July 03, 2018, 07:10:36 pm
The OP answered my PM.  OK, I was wrong, it's called a non disclosure agreement, but yes it was settled and, no he can't talk about it.

Well, that is understandable and pretty typical with settlements.  Of course, he could have posted that (or anything but a single post, which he later deleted).

Without any further information, I will conclude it is a very isolated problem with a single person who had some issue (or perhaps a combination of issues, maybe not even related), and sued.  Kawasaki found it prudent, or just cheaper, to monetarily fix it through settlement and move on.  Typically, they would just fix any problem under warranty, but who knows- perhaps a bad dealer was involved or a customer that wouldn't be happy no matter what was or could be done.

I do know there is no systemic ABS problem (based on observation of posts and searches) and there was and hasn't been any "class action" lawsuit about ABS on the Concours 14.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on July 03, 2018, 07:18:32 pm
Just be on the look out for any changes in the warning stickers and / or in the owners manual on the 2019’s. Either way, changes made or no changes made will speak volumes to the outcome of this case.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: lather on July 03, 2018, 07:19:35 pm
There are lot of people who make a living with bs lawsuits.  That's my guess about this topic.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on July 04, 2018, 12:03:22 am
Just be on the look out for any changes in the warning stickers and / or in the owners manual on the 2019’s.

I certainly hope you are right about that. There being a 2019 edition that is.  :-\
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on July 04, 2018, 01:07:43 am
I certainly hope you are right about that. There being a 2019 edition that is.  :-\

Yeah, I am thinking that is highly improbable at this point.  But, hey, stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: blue72beetle on July 04, 2018, 04:11:27 pm
"Settled" with an NDA doesn't mean he won or got his way. Just means the case was 'resolved' outside of court.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 04, 2018, 04:20:31 pm
doh...

so, can we put this one to bed?

(https://i.imgur.com/S2gZFMw.gif)

I know it's like the "jelly of the month club, Clark",

but can we stick this one with a fork, and call it "done"?  :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :popcorn: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :grouphug: :1DeadBanana :1DeadBanana

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Zcxwa8uKNQ2QM/giphy.gif)
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/10kZSJcdAEMvfy/giphy.gif)

 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 05, 2018, 06:07:21 am
The OP answered my PM.

OK, I was wrong, it's called a non disclosure agreement, but yes it was settled and, no he can't talk about it.

I am kind of surprised how he was treated here though, just because he didn't like the brakes and got a lawyer he was called a troll and other stuff.
Over the years I've heard so many complaints about this bike, " the seat sucks, the bars hurt my shoulders (I still don't understand that one, but whatever), it's buzzy, it's jerky, it's got no cruise control, it doesn't have a key that works like the key on all my old bikes did, the brakes aren't linked right," etc. etc. etc. and yet this guy is the one that gets all the flack?

I like my C14, a lot (no it isn't love), but if someone else doesn't and instead of just complaining about it on forums, decides to go get a lawyer and take on a giant large
corporation..then my hat is off to them.


+1


I think some of us that have been here awhile (not me of course) have a tendency to react firmly on something that's not quite the ordinary posting especially when it seems that they are essentially saying our baby is ugly on their first post.  I would hope that in the future we react less firmly and see how something works out before we accuse said poster of trolling, etc.   


With that being said, my right shoulder blade started to hurt me after several hundred miles of riding even with the Heli Horizons...part of the reason I moved to another bike that was more ergonomically friendly to my elderly body.



Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on July 05, 2018, 06:44:36 am

With that being said, my right shoulder blade started to hurt me after several hundred miles of riding even with the Heli Horizons...part of the reason I moved to another bike that was more ergonomically friendly to my elderly body.

A nice set of ape hangers on your Connie would have been a cheaper route.  :rotflmao:

I’m not sure what your riding style is like, but I would think it would have taken some getting used to making the switch from a Concours to an Indian. Less lean angle, slower thru the curves, shorter shifts or bouncing off the rev limiter, etc. I know it takes me a few mins to get used to the bike I’m currently on each time I ride a different one.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 05, 2018, 08:52:28 am
Took me about 25 miles to get used to it.. ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on July 06, 2018, 05:34:02 pm
Took me about 25 miles to get used to it.. ;)

Entry speed for curves is what gets me. After riding the Concours for a while and then getting on the Magnum, I come into curves a little too hot the first time or two. Then when I get on the Concours again, I find myself slowing down to much for the first couple of curves. The more I switch back and forth, the better I’m getting at adjusting between the two. Lean angle is the same way. I’m getting better at adjusting with that too. Still haven’t found the Concours’ peg feelers while riding, but my toe sliders on my boots touched down for the first time on Wednesday when I was out riding my favorite local roads.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on July 06, 2018, 08:04:05 pm
Took me about 25 miles to get used to it.. ;)

So what does that convert to in Indian time...2 maybe 3 days?   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on July 06, 2018, 08:15:11 pm
So what does that convert to in Indian time...2 maybe 3 days moons?   :rotflmao:
8)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on July 06, 2018, 11:41:58 pm

...2 maybe 3 days moons?
Zing!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: PH14 on July 07, 2018, 11:58:25 am
So what does that convert to in Indian time...2 maybe 3 days?   :rotflmao:

Jim's new Indian name, "Goes Fast No More."
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Rubber_Snake on July 07, 2018, 01:09:40 pm
Jim's new Indian name, "Goes Fast No More."
How about “Races with Snails”?  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: tweeter55 on July 07, 2018, 01:26:16 pm
How about “Races with Snails”?  :rotflmao:
...and loses?
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 07, 2018, 04:08:33 pm
Twits. >:( :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: lather on July 07, 2018, 04:38:23 pm
Why you clowns dissen on Indian? They aint slow, the flat tracker is embarrasing Harley big time.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: maxtog on July 07, 2018, 04:59:45 pm
Why you clowns dissen on Indian? They aint slow,

Everything is relative.  Compared to a C14...

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the flat tracker is embarrasing Harley big time.

Faster than very slow (and loud and vibratory) is not setting a high goal :)

Anyway, like I said before, there is more to a motorcycle than just speed (or even speed and handling).  Variety is the spice of life!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on July 07, 2018, 05:38:16 pm
Why you clowns dissen on Indian? They aint slow, the flat tracker is embarrasing Harley big time.

That doesn’t take much. What you are basically saying is that they are faster than the slowest bike on the road!
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Poseidon on July 07, 2018, 05:41:39 pm

Anyway, like I said before, there is more to a motorcycle than just speed (or even speed and handling).  Variety is the spice of life!

Ain’t that the truth! If it was all about speed and handling, HD would be out of business and Polaris would have dropped Indian making Victory the only American motorcycle in production!

We all know how that really turned out tho.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: PH14 on July 07, 2018, 10:57:58 pm
Twits. >:( :rotflmao:

 :finger_fing11: :rotflmao: :chugbeer:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: fartymarty on July 08, 2018, 11:18:57 am
Twits. >:( :rotflmao:
:finger_fing11: :rotflmao: :chugbeer:

At the risk of beating a dead horse :deadhorse: ,
V'Jim, I don't think this level of twit-mode-ishness ever surfaced when you had the old avatar.  ;)
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: gPink on July 08, 2018, 12:58:41 pm
:finger_fing11: :rotflmao: :chugbeer:


At the risk of beating a dead horse :deadhorse: ,
V'Jim, I don't think this level of twit-modishness ever surfaced when you had the old avatar.  ;)

Something about stabbing baby dragons is not very intimidating.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: Rubber_Snake on July 08, 2018, 03:37:34 pm
He gets less respect than this guy:
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: VirginiaJim on July 08, 2018, 04:50:11 pm
I don't need to stab anything these days.....I just push buttons.
Title: Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 08, 2018, 05:34:14 pm
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