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Title: My Connie of 10 years totaled.(new bike update last post)
Post by: jamiemac on May 07, 2018, 11:31:41 pm
First of all, I'm in pretty decent shape. Swollen knee, bruised up, and broken scapula. Lucky to be alive.

On Monday, April 30th an oncoming vehicle (minivan) turned left into me at intersection in Corydon, Indiana. Both vehicles totaled. My scoot is basically broken in half.

It appears my helmet impacted the opposing vehicle face first. Scorpion helmets, folks. I'm a believer.

I saw the van coming, and knew I was going to hit. Worked on scrubbing off as much speed as possible before impact. I think I was down to 10mph. The other vehicle, is unk by me, and our estimated speeds are not in the report. I'm taking a SWAG of about 25 to 30 mph.

I hired an attorney to deal with insurance and my injury lawsuit. I haven't made my mind up about continuing to ride yet, though. I'm 53. Been riding since I bought a Honda 350 Scrambler at 16. Decisions like this shouldn't be made quickly.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 07, 2018, 11:42:40 pm
frame of the connie opened so wide, the air filter fell out.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 08, 2018, 12:17:17 am
Oh sh*t, Jamie.  Thank God you survived this.  By the looks of things, you could’ve been much worse off.  I am glad you are okay, man.  Take it easy.  Godspeed.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: O.C. on May 08, 2018, 12:59:43 am
Holy ****, that's a mess, I hope you recovery very quickly...
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: EZ on May 08, 2018, 04:42:39 am
Good grief man! Glad you made it through what looks like one hell-of-a lick!! Very fortunate indeed. Any recollection on the speed at impact?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: tweeter55 on May 08, 2018, 04:51:39 am
 My first two thoughts…
 You are one lucky motorcycle operator this morning.
 You are one stiff and sore motorcycle operator this morning.
 Glad to hear you are OK.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: gPink on May 08, 2018, 05:33:49 am
Best wishes Jaimie.

Seat looks ok....did you have the bags pinned?  ;)
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 08, 2018, 05:42:36 am
Wow- super lucky you are!  Sorry about the accident but glad you are OK.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rhino on May 08, 2018, 06:12:28 am
Oh man, so sorry hear this. Hope you mend quickly and the insurance gets you a new scoot.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 08, 2018, 06:21:32 am
OMG!  Glad you're ok, Jamie.   :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: fartymarty on May 08, 2018, 07:55:16 am
I'm in pretty decent shape. Swollen knee, and broken scapula. Lucky to be alive.


(http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23418.0;attach=29745;image)
OUCH! Looking at that photo above..... :o :yikes:
OK, I'll be the one to ask, how are.... "the guys"?

Get well soon.


Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 08, 2018, 08:34:36 am
I will not say 'you got off easy' but man, that could have been a lot worse for you. The bike is readily replaceable, your health, not so much so it sounds like the right thing (the bike) took the worst beating. Heal up well.

As to the scapula, welcome to the club :-(  Sort of a nasty bone to break because it heals so slowly. Hopefully yours is just cracked; mine was shattered on the outside and required grafting along with the statement 'If it heals, it will be 4- 6 months'. Ugh.

Brian

I'm in pretty decent shape. Swollen knee, and broken scapula. Lucky to be alive.

Oncoming vehicle (minivan) turned left into me at intersection in Corydon, Indiana. Both vehicles totaled. My scoot is basically broken in half. I'll update with a more precise detailed narrative, when I'm thinking a little more clearly.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: fartymarty on May 08, 2018, 11:32:43 am
....mine was shattered on the outside and required grafting along with the statement 'If it heals, it will be 4- 6 months'. Ugh.
And you probably keyed on the 4-6 months part, my thoughts would have been "What do you mean by IF it heals?"
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 08, 2018, 01:29:34 pm
No, actually the key word there was 'if'. The surgeon explained that the bone fragments would fill with something, either calcium and knit together, or soft tissue and prevent them from knitting.... ever. At which point he could go back in, enlarge the original graft site and try it again. I noted that word 'try' also and asked outright: is there any way to guarantee a successful result and he basically said no.

Now as Jimmy probably knows, or will find out soon enough, that is the bone that attaches the thumb to the hand and we motorcyclists really, really need that 1) to work 2) to be relatively pain- free and 3) need it to be pretty robust, meaning 'as new' or a well healed bone. We need that paw for the clutch.

I am concerned enough about mine that I have been looking for auto- clutch bikes; did not find any new models other than the already known Fudger A (no longer imported into the US, and used ones are rare) and the Honda 1200F, and there are not many of those around either. Not sure if they still make them and even more unsure that they make the auto clutch model.

And BTW Jimmy, do not get too worked up if they prescribe a 'bone stimulator', it is not what you might be hoping for and there is no evidence (really, none) that they work anyway.

Brian

And you probably keyed on the 4-6 months part, my thoughts would have been "What do you mean by IF it heals?"
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 01:35:31 pm
Hey guy! I'm thinking a little better today. The concussion knocked a little sense out of me. OK, this happened on Monday, April 30th. I didn't think to put that in the original post.

I think that huge dent in the rear of the tank was caused by my knee, because, "the fellas" are fine. LOL

I brought my LAAM seat into the house, and yes, my bags were pinned. Right bag still came off though. It broke the passenger peg bracket in the process.

I did my first round of physical therapy yesterday, and I'm actually using my left arm to lift a soday, or hold a fork every now and then. Can't support any weight with it yet.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 01:39:54 pm
I think the lack of sleep is also affecting me. No comfortable position. Ugh.

Thanks so much for all the well wishes , everyone.



There's a lot of good, usable parts on the scoot, still, so i'm going to strip it when I feel up to it. I can even use the Rostra cruise control on my Jeep!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 01:41:55 pm
Wow- super lucky you are!  Sorry about the accident but glad you are OK.
Yep. Seat is good! Bags were pinned, and I had some of my tools in one. Hell, my phone launched across the road, and still works!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 01:43:43 pm
([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23418.0;attach=29745;image[/url])
OUCH! Looking at that photo above..... :o :yikes:
OK, I'll be the one to ask, how are.... "the guys"?

Get well soon.


Haha, I think my knee did that.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 08, 2018, 01:56:17 pm
First time I ever got Hydrocodone (Vicodin) in my life was with this broken wrist. Stuff works well..... very well. :-) The dosage I got in various scripts was only 5 mg. but at the hospital, they handed me one that made my head swim a bit. I only ended up taking (I think) 5 of them, one the day after the break and a few the 2nd day after surgery. Only one time I took any during the day, the rest were at night and really did help with sleep.

I have no idea what your personal situation or beliefs are, and I am NOT asking, but if acceptable to, and for you, the 'heavier' drugs do seem to work well, especially at night when a little throbbing can become a big pounding (Easy Boys!).

Brian

I think the lack of sleep is also affecting me. No comfortable position. Ugh.

Thanks so much for all the well wishes , everyone.



There's a lot of good, usable parts on the scoot, still, so i'm going to strip it when I feel up to it. I can even use the Rostra cruise control on my Jeep!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 08, 2018, 01:57:12 pm
Are you in a cast? Any surgery for the scapula?

Brian

Hey guy! I'm thinking a little better today. The concussion knocked a little sense out of me. OK, this happened on Monday, April 30th. I didn't think to put that in the original post.

I think that huge dent in the rear of the tank was caused by my knee, because, "the fellas" are fine. LOL

I brought my LAAM seat into the house, and yes, my bags were pinned. Right bag still came off though. It broke the passenger peg bracket in the process.

I did my first round of physical therapy yesterday, and I'm actually using my left arm to lift a soday, or hold a fork every now and then. Can't support any weight with it yet.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 02:04:29 pm
Are you in a cast? Any surgery for the scapula?

Brian

No cast! Can You believe that?! I wore a sling for a few days, but have shed it. The physical therapy place is only working on my knee for now, but the scapula, isn't fractured very severely. I'm using my left arm very gingerly.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 02:05:49 pm
I updated the original post to be a little more informative.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 02:09:54 pm
Cracked chin guard on the Scorpion helmet.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 08, 2018, 02:24:57 pm
Excellent! That sounds like a much better prognosis than mine. Then again, I may be being overly pessimistic. My suggestion would be to be kind to that bone for a while and hopefully you will get an X-ray that shows a solid, nice knit- line down the fracture.

Also glad you saw it coming and did what you could to avoid or minimize the collision. While it is always the person who turn left in front of a straight- line traveler's fault, the person being cut- off can often do a lot to avoid or minimize damage from accidents. Put another way, the 'innocent' party is not free from participating.

Just because you may have a green light, it is not a force- field that will keep everyone away from you. So my compliments on reacting as you did and for simply paying attention; it sounds like more speed may well have caused you far greater injuries.... or worse. :-(

Brian

No cast! Can You believe that?! I wore a sling for a few days, but have shed it. The physical therapy place is only working on my knee for now, but the scapula, isn't fractured very severely. I'm using my left arm very gingerly.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 02:34:59 pm
Excellent! That sounds like a much better prognosis than mine. Then again, I may be being overly pessimistic. My suggestion would be to be kind to that bone for a while and hopefully you will get an X-ray that shows a solid, nice knit- line down the fracture.

Also glad you saw it coming and did what you could to avoid or minimize the collision. While it is always the person who turn left in front of a straight- line traveler's fault, the person being cut- off can often do a lot to avoid or minimize damage from accidents. Put another way, the 'innocent' party is not free from participating.

Just because you may have a green light, it is not a force- field that will keep everyone away from you. So my compliments on reacting as you did and for simply paying attention; it sounds like more speed may well have caused you far greater injuries.... or worse. :-(

Brian

I think the antilocks on my scoot really helped me bleed off speed. I'm sure that helped minimize my injuries. A closing speed of 60MPH or so, and I'd have definitely been playing a harp now.

I'm optimistic about the shoulder. It hurts, but is fairly mobile. I'm moving as much as I can stand.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Conniesaki on May 08, 2018, 02:42:25 pm
Wow! Remember: Whatever doesn't kill you ... provides you a good story to tell  :thumbs:

Now, was your attacker a texter, an oldster, a teen ... or somehow an unavoidable accident?  ???

Hey ... and, maybe too soon to even think about, but look at this in the For Sale section: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23409.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23409.0)
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 02:48:58 pm
Wow! Remember: Whatever doesn't kill you ... provides you a good story to tell  :thumbs:

Now, was your attacker a texter, an oldster, a teen ... or somehow an unavoidable accident?  ???

Hey ... and, maybe too soon to even think about, but look at this in the For Sale section: [url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23409.0[/url] ([url]http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23409.0[/url])

The report doesn't say anything about inattentive driving, but the other guy, (dob 1974) admitted to not seeing me. Now my connie was lit up like a ufo, (see pic) and my riding jacket could be seen from the moon. So I'm not totally buying that he wasn't texting or something, but it ain't in the report.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Scaffolder on May 08, 2018, 02:52:14 pm
Glad to see you are okay. Scary.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 02:55:28 pm
Glad to see you are okay. Scary.

Thanks, Man. Definitely scary. Be safe out there.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 08, 2018, 03:28:39 pm
Cracked chin guard on the Scorpion helmet.

Yeah, makes you wonder if that would have been your face if you were not wearing a full-face helmet...
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 08, 2018, 04:21:05 pm
Yeah, makes you wonder if that would have been your face if you were not wearing a full-face helmet...
I was wondering what type of helmet you were wearing at the time.  I’m glad you had a solid full face helmet.  I road my whole career with an open face helmet and now ride with a modular (Shoei Neotec).  I just hope I never have to test it out like you have because I know they do not offer the same level of protection. 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 08, 2018, 04:30:35 pm
I’m dissappointed to hear that the report didn’t include estimated speeds at impact.  Though, without heavy duty collision reconstruction analysis, science and math, it is near impossible to narrow it down to anything concrete.  At the very least, the investigating officer should get statements from the involved parties/witnesses as to their best recollection and interpretation of their respective speeds prior to impact.  Everything can and will be challenged in civil depositions regardless of how much math and science is involved. 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 05:36:03 pm
I’m dissappointed to hear that the report didn’t include estimated speeds at impact.  Though, without heavy duty collision reconstruction analysis, science and math, it is near impossible to narrow it down to anything concrete.  At the very least, the investigating officer should get statements from the involved parties/witnesses as to their best recollection and interpretation of their respective speeds prior to impact.  Everything can and will be challenged in civil depositions regardless of how much math and science is involved.

I was actually a traffic accident investigator as an Army MP. This was the 80s, but most of the techniques are the same...except for the introduction of LED lighting. An easy method for determining if the vehicle was, "on the brakes" at impact was to check the brake light bulb filaments for stretching. Lots of stretch, brakes wee on, and wires were hot. No stretch = no brakes applied.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 08, 2018, 11:31:04 pm
No, actually the key word there was 'if'. The surgeon explained that the bone fragments would fill with something, either calcium and knit together, or soft tissue and prevent them from knitting.... ever. At which point he could go back in, enlarge the original graft site and try it again. I noted that word 'try' also and asked outright: is there any way to guarantee a successful result and he basically said no.

Now as Jimmy probably knows, or will find out soon enough, that is the bone that attaches the thumb to the hand and we motorcyclists really, really need that 1) to work 2) to be relatively pain- free and 3) need it to be pretty robust, meaning 'as new' or a well healed bone. We need that paw for the clutch.

I am concerned enough about mine that I have been looking for auto- clutch bikes; did not find any new models other than the already known Fudger A (no longer imported into the US, and used ones are rare) and the Honda 1200F, and there are not many of those around either. Not sure if they still make them and even more unsure that they make the auto clutch model.

And BTW Jimmy, do not get too worked up if they prescribe a 'bone stimulator', it is not what you might be hoping for and there is no evidence (really, none) that they work anyway.

Brian

Haha! Just noticed the, "bone simulator" comment! LOL
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. Sad biker. I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 09, 2018, 05:26:26 am
Yeah, it has been a huge source of humor around here too- 'Sorry honey, can't do that right now, stimulating my bone' and so forth.

It is an ultrasonic transducer that the manufacturer claims heals bone fractures better / faster / more fully. That said, there is little evidence that it works. My Dr. does not normally prescribe them but in my case, he said he wants to give it every chance possible to heal (again, ominous words IMO). So, twice a day, I strap it on and stimulate away. :-)

It has been tough though- from the day Julie game me the unit and went over its usage: so many, many jokes in there that I could barely graze on. Oh yeah, it comes with a gigantic bottle of lube too (seriously). Anyway, I finally cracked when she said the penetration pattern is about 30 degrees wide and goes 8" deep: I said we could probably line people up and do a 'mass stimulation' if I was not afraid of where my wrist might end up or what it might end up against in the group of people with broken.... stuff.

Brian

Haha! Just noticed the, "bone simulator" comment! LOL
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Conniesaki on May 09, 2018, 10:51:26 am
That whole damn post is EASY BOYS!

I was gonna say, you could save money and have your wife stimulate your bone.

But that's actually probably more expensive. So, carry on.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 09, 2018, 11:31:35 am
Not sure about the costing more- this thing was $2,400 + my co- pay, which is something like $100 or $150. When the medical community goes into action, everyone gets as big a piece of the pie as possible, which is why medical treatment costs 10 times, 20 times what it is worth- they need a big pie.

And my medical insurance rejected the initial claim because I only fit two of the three requirements. The third catagory was being at high risk for not healing and the entire column was a list of habits and behaviors starting from bad and progressing to criminal; smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, drug addiction, etc. ?? So I asked the ins. co. rep. if I was to become addicted to, say, heroin, then they would cover this expense (which was prescribed by the surgeon by the way, this is not my personal choice)? To which she answered 'yes' but not if I became addicted now, I would have had to be an addict at the time of the incident. Right out of the 'Journal of unintended consequences'.

Brian

That whole damn post is EASY BOYS!

I was gonna say, you could save money and have your wife stimulate your bone.

But that's actually probably more expensive. So, carry on.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 09, 2018, 03:59:30 pm
Not sure about the costing more- this thing was $2,400 + my co- pay, which is something like $100 or $150. When the medical community goes into action, everyone gets as big a piece of the pie as possible, which is why medical treatment costs 10 times, 20 times what it is worth- they need a big pie.

And my medical insurance rejected the initial claim because I only fit two of the three requirements. The third catagory was being at high risk for not healing and the entire column was a list of habits and behaviors starting from bad and progressing to criminal; smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, drug addiction, etc. ?? So I asked the ins. co. rep. if I was to become addicted to, say, heroin, then they would cover this expense (which was prescribed by the surgeon by the way, this is not my personal choice)? To which she answered 'yes' but not if I became addicted now, I would have had to be an addict at the time of the incident. Right out of the 'Journal of unintended consequences'.

Brian


Makes absolutely perfect, reasonable and logical sense... :banghead:
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 09, 2018, 04:50:09 pm
I was hoping to get outside and strip my accessories off the scooter by today, but still not feeling up to it. The Rostra is going on my Jeep! Possibly the LED lights on my fork legs, too. They're still intact. I did my laundry with mostly one arm, and that kinda sucked. LOL
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 09, 2018, 07:53:31 pm
The Rostra is going on my Jeep! Possibly the LED lights on my fork legs, too.

Does that mean no more C14's for you?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 09, 2018, 11:39:26 pm
Jamie,

Take your time, man.  Don’t worry about the bike.  It ain’t going nowhere.  Work on getting yourself better and then you can deal with that sh*t.  You can sell tons of stuff off of that bike but there’s no hurry.  You may want to hold onto some of that stuff until you decide what you’re gonna do from here. 

Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 09, 2018, 11:45:57 pm
Jamie,

Take your time, man.  Don’t worry about the bike.  It ain’t going nowhere.  Work on getting yourself better and then you can deal with that sh*t.  You can sell tons of stuff off of that bike but there’s no hurry.  You may want to hold onto some of that stuff until you decide what you’re gonna to from here.
That's good advice. I'm just bored, but You're right. I'm sleeping like a thousand hours a day. Haha. I shouldn't make a decision about any of this until I can at least be more mobile around the house.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 09, 2018, 11:48:25 pm
Does that mean no more C14's for you?
That actually didn't occur to me. My thinking is still a little off, I guess. I'd definitely put this stuff on another C14 if I got one. I even brought the leather seat in out of the weather.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 12, 2018, 05:33:33 pm
Still recovering. My right knee and left shoulder are moving much better, but still really sore. Physical therapy is only on the knee for now, because they want the fractured scapula to heal first, I guess. My face bruising is completely gone, so I'm pretty happy about that. Thanks again for the moral support, guys.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 12, 2018, 05:37:55 pm
Still recovering. My right knee and left shoulder are moving much better, but still really sore. Physical therapy is only on the knee for now, because they want the fractured scapula to heal first, I guess. My face bruising is completely gone, so I'm pretty happy about that. Thanks again for the moral support, guys.
Back to modeling job, eh?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 12, 2018, 09:01:14 pm
Back to modeling job, eh?
Haha! GQ here I come.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 14, 2018, 09:38:34 pm
Insurance dude is coming to look at the bike this week. Notified by my attorney today. I'm pretty sure the frame being broken in frakin half makes it a total loss. LOL
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 14, 2018, 09:48:16 pm
What a waste of time!  Wouldn’t they just accept a picture?  Maybe one with the Vin displayed?  Shouldn’t be too tough to get the Vin in the pic, since the frame is in two pieces!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 15, 2018, 12:08:48 am
It does seem silly, but at the same time, the insurance company is also does need to try and prevent fraud.  Sad to say, but I expect that there are people out there all the time trying to defraud their insurance providers.  At least it shouldn't take the inspector long to conclude it is a total loss and without anything fishy.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rhino on May 15, 2018, 07:25:32 am
Insurance dude is coming to look at the bike this week. Notified by my attorney today. I'm pretty sure the frame being broken in frakin half makes it a total loss. LOL

Naaaa, it'll buff right out!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: CRocker on May 15, 2018, 09:18:36 am
Best wishes for a speedy recovery! 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 15, 2018, 09:21:43 am
It does seem silly, but at the same time, the insurance company is also does need to try and prevent fraud.  Sad to say, but I expect that there are people out there all the time trying to defraud their insurance providers.  At least it shouldn't take the inspector long to conclude it is a total loss and without anything fishy.

Understood.  The adjuster will show up mainly to confirm the Vin.  When he/she see’s it, he’ll probably think to himself  “Oh $h!t.  This one’s done!”
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 15, 2018, 09:40:01 am
JMac, I know it’s only been a couple of weeks, but have you decided if you’re going to buy another bike? 

Also, in regards to your extra set of driving lights:  The wife and I just got back from Coronado (San Diego) and I noticed that many motorcyclists in SoCal are using super bright yellow aux lighting now.  I’m sure it’s nothing new to anyone here, but they really stood out.  They were about 3-4 inches in diameter. 

I put bright amber JDMAstar leds in the city lights on my bike (thank you Max) and though not the same, I’m hoping they help somewhat. 

I know from experience that no matter how much lighting you put on a motorcycle, some people just don’t “see” us.  Something to do with drivers expecting something wide like car or truck and for whatever reason, the size of the bike doesn’t register subconsciously as a danger. 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: connie_rider on May 15, 2018, 10:37:00 am
Jamiemac, I just came across this!
    Have no idea why I missed it previously..
Sorry to hear that it happened, but really glad to hear your ok. (err recovering)
I know your sore..

We'll keep cheering for you.

Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 15, 2018, 03:01:49 pm
I noticed that many motorcyclists in SoCal are using super bright yellow aux lighting now.  I’m sure it’s nothing new to anyone here, but they really stood out.  They were about 3-4 inches in diameter. 

I put bright amber JDMAstar leds in the city lights on my bike (thank you Max) and though not the same, I’m hoping they help somewhat. 

I know from experience that no matter how much lighting you put on a motorcycle, some people just don’t “see” us.  Something to do with drivers expecting something wide like car or truck and for whatever reason, the size of the bike doesn’t register subconsciously as a danger.

This is why I also converted my front turn signals to extra bright, "always on" yellow LED lights (they blink OFF when turning, instead of on).  Too many cars now have white lights on all the time and I want to look different than a car, and have a wider light pattern so I can be more easily seen, and from more angles, and not look as far away.

But yeah, for some drivers, nothing you do will matter.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 05:07:46 pm
Jamiemac, I just came across this!
    Have no idea why I missed it previously..
Sorry to hear that it happened, but really glad to hear your ok. (err recovering)
I know your sore..

We'll keep cheering for you.

Ride safe, Ted
Thanks Ted. As of today, 'm doing pretty good. Shoulder is going to take a while, but the knee (torn meniscus) is feeling much better. However, if I let the level of tylenol in my system go down, the pain makes an appearance pretty quick.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 05:11:30 pm
JMac, I know it’s only been a couple of weeks, but have you decided if you’re going to buy another bike? 

Also, in regards to your extra set of driving lights:  The wife and I just got back from Coronado (San Diego) and I noticed that many motorcyclists in SoCal are using super bright yellow aux lighting now.  I’m sure it’s nothing new to anyone here, but they really stood out.  They were about 3-4 inches in diameter. 

I put bright amber JDMAstar leds in the city lights on my bike (thank you Max) and though not the same, I’m hoping they help somewhat. 

I know from experience that no matter how much lighting you put on a motorcycle, some people just don’t “see” us.  Something to do with drivers expecting something wide like car or truck and for whatever reason, the size of the bike doesn’t register subconsciously as a danger.
A lot is going to depend on my financial outcome from this unpleasantness. Also, how my healing goes. I have been reading up on the new generation Goldwing with airbags available. I loved My Connie though. It's going to be a hard decision, I expect. I just don't know at this point.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 05:16:40 pm
Best wishes for a speedy recovery!
Thanks so much!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 05:18:17 pm
Naaaa, it'll buff right out!
I actually took a rag and polished the good left saddlebag. Because....i don't freakin know.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 05:25:16 pm
A picture of my gear after it was removed from Me. My bright neon jacket....well, the dude didn't see it, but I think the spine armor and shoulder pads kept me from getting hurt much worse.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 05:29:21 pm
This is why I also converted my front turn signals to extra bright, "always on" yellow LED lights (they blink OFF when turning, instead of on).  Too many cars now have white lights on all the time and I want to look different than a car, and have a wider light pattern so I can be more easily seen, and from more angles, and not look as far away.

But yeah, for some drivers, nothing you do will matter.
Yeah, that last part. Ugh.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: gPink on May 15, 2018, 06:41:15 pm
Be sure you get your helmet and gear covered by the ins adjuster.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 07:17:45 pm
Be sure you get your helmet and gear covered by the ins adjuster.
Yeah? That's a thing? Thanks!!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 07:33:22 pm
Took some video of the carnage.
https://youtu.be/saTLokvWK20
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 15, 2018, 08:27:38 pm
Yeah? That's a thing?

Of course it is.  Helmet, jacket, pants, boots, gloves.  The gas you lost.  If your phone is damaged.  Communicator.  Any and all add-ons to the bike that were lost or not worth anything now.  ANYTHING that was damaged.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 15, 2018, 08:34:07 pm
However, if I let the level of tylenol in my system go down, the pain makes an appearance pretty quick.

Glad that works for you.  It is sold all over and pushed by healthcare workers everywhere.  But acetaminophen does absolutely nothing for me.... zilch, nada, zip.  It is 100% ineffective; might as well take a pill of chalk.  Interestingly, most people I know tell me the same thing- my Mom, sister, several friends, some coworkers.

Give me ibuprofen!  Not only does it work, it helps healing through anti-inflammatory action.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 09:26:08 pm
Glad that works for you.  It is sold all over and pushed by healthcare workers everywhere.  But acetaminophen does absolutely nothing for me.... zilch, nada, zip.  It is 100% ineffective; might as well take a pill of chalk.  Interestingly, most people I know tell me the same thing- my Mom, sister, several friends, some coworkers.

Give me ibuprofen!  Not only does it work, it helps healing through anti-inflammatory action.
I'd rather take Advil, but the VA told me to lay off them my last visit cause my kidney function numbers were higher than normal. So it's either kill your liver with tylenol, or your kidneys with Advil. Helluva choice. Tylenol does work ok for me right now, but I'd like to take less of the crap. It's not good for me, i know.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: connie_rider on May 15, 2018, 09:46:22 pm
If they total the bike, everything on it would go with it.
Check that they cover everything you have on it. 
 ie; Make a detailed list. Find current prices for the accessories.
If you plan to remove things,,, get some help and get it done before they give you a check.

Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 15, 2018, 09:53:34 pm
If they total the bike, everything on it would go with it.
Check that they cover everything you have on it. 
 ie; Make a detailed list. Find current prices for the accessories.
If you plan to remove things,,, get some help and get it done before they give you a check.

Ted
Also have no idea of the value of the scoot. Never figured on getting rid of her, so didn't really care what it was worth. Guess I'd better research it.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 16, 2018, 12:03:02 am
Generally, insurance companies go by the resale value of a comparably equipped vehicle.  In this case, at 2008 Kawa Concours with XX miles.  The use local ads, even Kelly blue book to determine how much to cut a check for.  And they almost always lowball you so be ready to counter. 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 16, 2018, 05:36:53 am
Generally, insurance companies go by the resale value of a comparably equipped vehicle.  In this case, at 2008 Kawa Concours with XX miles.  The use local ads, even Kelly blue book to determine how much to cut a check for.  And they almost always lowball you so be ready to counter.

Can one insist on "replacement" instead of value?  For example, I have a silver 2011 in extremely good condition.  I wouldn't want "blue book value" I would want another silver 2011 in extremely good condition.  If that means paying 20% more than blue book and having to pay to get it shipped from another state, so be it- THAT is the actual cost.  And I would want their insurance company to pay that.  Probably not how it works, though.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 16, 2018, 08:59:05 am
Can one insist on "replacement" instead of value?  For example, I have a silver 2011 in extremely good condition.  I wouldn't want "blue book value" I would want another silver 2011 in extremely good condition.  If that means paying 20% more than blue book and having to pay to get it shipped from another state, so be it- THAT is the actual cost.  And I would want their insurance company to pay that.  Probably not how it works, though.
I’m lucky in that I have USAA.  As an insurance company, they are far more reasonable/accommodating than most. 

In your case, you might be able to negotiate with your insurance co. for more money due to the difficulty of replacement.  You never know how things are going to be with your particular ins. co. until you’re faced with a claim like this.  From what I know of you from your writings here, Max, I am confident you would be successful in a negotiation with your ins. co.   :thumbs:
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Conniesaki on May 16, 2018, 09:48:22 am
Took some video of the carnage.
https://youtu.be/saTLokvWK20

Boy that really crunched into a heap  :(
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 16, 2018, 10:58:34 am
Boy that really crunched into a heap  :(
Yep. The ignition still turns on, and the lower fork lights come on though. MondoMoto MM10 lights are tough!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Conniesaki on May 16, 2018, 12:44:58 pm
Yep. The ignition still turns on, and the lower fork lights come on though. MondoMoto MM10 lights are tough!

... but not bright enough  >:(
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 16, 2018, 12:53:29 pm
... but not bright enough  >:(
True dat!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 16, 2018, 01:11:30 pm
Completely went off pain meds today. Pretty stoked about that.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 16, 2018, 02:12:40 pm
Just added up $3300 in aftermarket accessories I can remember. Dang. A lot of that stuff is still good. Only the Cee Bailey windscreen and the mirror mounted lights are squished, as far as I can tell. I think My Area P carbon fiber muffler is still like new. They are way more expensive now. The Skene Design switch under my fairing still works, or the MM10 lights wouldn't come on. Lots of good stuff still.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 18, 2018, 08:24:32 pm
Got a call from the other driver's insurance today. (Farm Bureau) The adjuster won't come to look at the bike until the 29th of May. I'm OK with that though. Won't be back in the saddle for a bit. I'm already missing it though.

On another note, I feel like I'm healing up remarkably well. I'm using my left arm/shoulder for more simple tasks, and the range of motion is increasing. The swelling in my right knee is going down. I have some concern about the weakness and pain in my left hand, and it hasn't really been addressed by the docs yet. I'll talk to the orthopedic dude about that on the 23d.

Just a little update for the crew. Thanks for the support, guys. Really appreciate it.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Rubber_Snake on May 18, 2018, 09:40:47 pm
Got a call from the other driver's insurance today. (Farm Bureau) The adjuster won't come to look at the bike until the 29th of May. I'm OK with that though. Won't be back in the saddle for a bit. I'm already missing it though.

On another note, I feel like I'm healing up remarkably well. I'm using my left arm/shoulder for more simple tasks, and the range of motion is increasing. The swelling in my right knee is going down. I have some concern about the weakness and pain in my left hand, and it hasn't really been addressed by the docs yet. I'll talk to the orthopedic dude about that on the 23d.

Just a little update for the crew. Thanks for the support, guys. Really appreciate it.

Glad to hear you’re healing up well.  Wrist injuries are a mofo.  They take a long time to heal.  It sucks that the insurance adjuster won’t be there until the 29th, since it’s obviously totaled. 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 18, 2018, 09:57:03 pm
Glad to hear you’re healing up well.  Wrist injuries are a mofo.  They take a long time to heal.  It sucks that the insurance adjuster won’t be there until the 29th, since it’s obviously totaled.
I bet he won't do anymore than walk up to it, check the vin (If it's readable. Guess I should look) and leave. Not really any hurry. I don't think I'll be riding this season, with this weak left hand, & I think they told my 6 month on the scapula fracture.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 19, 2018, 12:19:47 pm
I wish you the very best of luck with that paw but I must be honest: two physicians missed my scaphoid fracture (with clear, crisp X rays taken by both) before the orthopedist caught it. Again, I am not wishing this on you but it is the most common wrist fracture for males, almost always occurs when the hand is open (as opposed to a, say, boxing type of fracture) as yours was when gripping the handlebar.

There is good treatment for it with a pretty good likelihood of a successful outcome, although if hardware is used, the wrist will almost certainly bend up nearly as far as it did before. The good news there is that unless you are doing push- ups, or trying to communicate with the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, how often do you really bend your wrist very far 'up' anyway?

I am out of a permanent cast, or at least out of it some of the time (it is a hard cast but removable- really, really slick!) and now starting rehab. Man, does that suck. It is an exercise in finding out what hurts and then doing it.... a lot. Am now on pain meds. about 1/2 of the time (OTC Alleve), which I required for only a couple of days after surgery and a few days after the initial break.

So hopefully you are just 'beat up' in the wrist / hand area and all will be well. But the orthopedist will probably make very sure that is the case, and if not, treat it properly now and greatly reduce the risk of advanced arthritis AND a bone repair later.

A couple of years ago, when I had my little mishap on the C-14, the insurance co. was the only group that thought a C-14 was worth anything. They valued the bike at $10,700 (!!! an '08 with 99,000 miles on it!!). The bike was something like $7,000 because they do not recognize mileage as a devaluing factor. Then they gave me the full $3K or $3,500 allowance for accessories. The damage written was $5,500, which is actually amazing considering the bike was ride-able and would actually pass inspection other than a broken right hand mirror!

Brian

Got a call from the other driver's insurance today. (Farm Bureau) The adjuster won't come to look at the bike until the 29th of May. I'm OK with that though. Won't be back in the saddle for a bit. I'm already missing it though.

On another note, I feel like I'm healing up remarkably well. I'm using my left arm/shoulder for more simple tasks, and the range of motion is increasing. The swelling in my right knee is going down. I have some concern about the weakness and pain in my left hand, and it hasn't really been addressed by the docs yet. I'll talk to the orthopedic dude about that on the 23d.

Just a little update for the crew. Thanks for the support, guys. Really appreciate it.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 19, 2018, 05:15:33 pm
I wish you the very best of luck with that paw but I must be honest: two physicians missed my scaphoid fracture (with clear, crisp X rays taken by both) before the orthopedist caught it. Again, I am not wishing this on you but it is the most common wrist fracture for males, almost always occurs when the hand is open (as opposed to a, say, boxing type of fracture) as yours was when gripping the handlebar.

There is good treatment for it with a pretty good likelihood of a successful outcome, although if hardware is used, the wrist will almost certainly bend up nearly as far as it did before. The good news there is that unless you are doing push- ups, or trying to communicate with the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, how often do you really bend your wrist very far 'up' anyway?

I am out of a permanent cast, or at least out of it some of the time (it is a hard cast but removable- really, really slick!) and now starting rehab. Man, does that suck. It is an exercise in finding out what hurts and then doing it.... a lot. Am now on pain meds. about 1/2 of the time (OTC Alleve), which I required for only a couple of days after surgery and a few days after the initial break.

So hopefully you are just 'beat up' in the wrist / hand area and all will be well. But the orthopedist will probably make very sure that is the case, and if not, treat it properly now and greatly reduce the risk of advanced arthritis AND a bone repair later.

A couple of years ago, when I had my little mishap on the C-14, the insurance co. was the only group that thought a C-14 was worth anything. They valued the bike at $10,700 (!!! an '08 with 99,000 miles on it!!). The bike was something like $7,000 because they do not recognize mileage as a devaluing factor. Then they gave me the full $3K or $3,500 allowance for accessories. The damage written was $5,500, which is actually amazing considering the bike was ride-able and would actually pass inspection other than a broken right hand mirror!

Brian
Damn, Brian. Your injury sounds so not fun. Ugh. I'm glad you're getting mostly better.

On another note, You've been a valuable source of information for me over the years, and that is MF priceless. Thanks Brother. That insurance info is very hope inspiring.

I figured about 8 hours of my time for installing My rostra cruise. You think that sounds reasonable? I charge people 50 an hour for my mechanic services. I figure that's my labor rate for insurance payouts, too.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 19, 2018, 10:38:53 pm
Wow, thanks for the kind words. I am just another hack who likes to tinker with things and passes along what info. I think can be helpful because I like to see others succeed and be happy (fulfilled? more content with a production product?).

Yep, wrist is getting better. And it should continue to do so other than lifting the hand in the 'up' position relative to the wrist as I mentioned. Oh well, not a big deal- I <should> be able to ride and operate a clutch correctly.

The thing with motorcycle insurance is that they do not discount or acknowledge mileage, at least a few years ago. That means that those of us who ride a lot really get a break on resale value, at least according to the ins. companies if not the real world of motorcycle selling.

Yeah, I guess if you are familiar with the C-14 and removing the Tupperware 8 hours is possible though on the tight side IMO. I always tell people they should figure on a full weekend, if not a bit more. Besides, this is NOT a job you want to rush, especially around the throttle arm. Beware the old adage: if it can [fail, bind, lock, jam], it will. So extra care if required in the routing of the Rostra cable and the throttle arm attachment. And I always suggest spending some time literally opening and closing the throttle, while trying to get the cable to hook or catch on anything, before calling it a good install. Treat every installation as if the rider's life was in your hands.  ;)

As to the money, $50 an hour for a skilled mechanic is very reasonable. But again, I would beware of counting hours because it may make you tend to work a little faster if you see the end of your time envelope approaching and that is not the best way to handle a cruise control IMO. Perhaps a better way of looking at it is: if you get $400 to do an install, and have ample time available, do as good a job as you possibly can and if it goes over some number of hours, so be it. But take pride in the fact that you did your very best and probably did an outstanding job for the customer. I know that don't feed the bulldog but coming up a little short on dollars per hour while providing a valuable and appreciated, top- notch service is far, far better than making the arbitrary hourly rate and risk a come- back or worse, some type of mishap. Trust me- I am not making piles of money on my couple of silly products I sell but I do believe I may have the happiest customer base on the planet, and to the best of my knowledge, I never caused anyone any grief with my trinkets and that is good enough (I am not trying to make a living this way though, more of extending a courtesy to fellow C-14 riders).

Brian

Damn, Brian. Your injury sounds so not fun. Ugh. I'm glad you're getting mostly better.

On another note, You've been a valuable source of information for me over the years, and that is MF priceless. Thanks Brother. That insurance info is very hope inspiring.

I figured about 8 hours of my time for installing My rostra cruise. You think that sounds reasonable? I charge people 50 an hour for my mechanic services. I figure that's my labor rate for insurance payouts, too.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 19, 2018, 11:37:18 pm
Wow, thanks for the kind words. I am just another hack who likes to tinker with things and passes along what info. I think can be helpful because I like to see others succeed and be happy (fulfilled? more content with a production product?).

Yep, wrist is getting better. And it should continue to do so other than lifting the hand in the 'up' position relative to the wrist as I mentioned. Oh well, not a big deal- I <should> be able to ride and operate a clutch correctly.

The thing with motorcycle insurance is that they do not discount or acknowledge mileage, at least a few years ago. That means that those of us who ride a lot really get a break on resale value, at least according to the ins. companies if not the real world of motorcycle selling.

Yeah, I guess if you are familiar with the C-14 and removing the Tupperware 8 hours is possible though on the tight side IMO. I always tell people they should figure on a full weekend, if not a bit more. Besides, this is NOT a job you want to rush, especially around the throttle arm. Beware the old adage: if it can [fail, bind, lock, jam], it will. So extra care if required in the routing of the Rostra cable and the throttle arm attachment. And I always suggest spending some time literally opening and closing the throttle, while trying to get the cable to hook or catch on anything, before calling it a good install. Treat every installation as if the rider's life was in your hands.  ;)

As to the money, $50 an hour for a skilled mechanic is very reasonable. But again, I would beware of counting hours because it may make you tend to work a little faster if you see the end of your time envelope approaching and that is not the best way to handle a cruise control IMO. Perhaps a better way of looking at it is: if you get $400 to do an install, and have ample time available, do as good a job as you possibly can and if it goes over some number of hours, so be it. But take pride in the fact that you did your very best and probably did an outstanding job for the customer. I know that don't feed the bulldog but coming up a little short on dollars per hour while providing a valuable and appreciated, top- notch service is far, far better than making the arbitrary hourly rate and risk a come- back or worse, some type of mishap. Trust me- I am not making piles of money on my couple of silly products I sell but I do believe I may have the happiest customer base on the planet, and to the best of my knowledge, I never caused anyone any grief with my trinkets and that is good enough (I am not trying to make a living this way though, more of extending a courtesy to fellow C-14 riders).

Brian
I was just mainly trying to remember how long it took me to install my Rostra, and what I was going to charge the insurance for it. I don't believe I would take it on as a paying job, since I've only done it one time, and that was what, 7...8 years ago? You might be right about 8 hours being a little on the tight side, but I also don't wanna get more than it's actually worth in the settlement. If there's a maximum $ value the insurance will pay for accessories, I'm probably pretty close to that already.

Also, as far as being a skilled mechanic. I'm retired from that way of making a living, and my, $50 an hour price quote is a way of keeping the freeloaders at bay. LOL

Thanks again, Man. Jamie
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Poseidon on May 20, 2018, 10:38:52 am
Most jobs like that are calculated at the shop rate for labor, which is normally in the range of $100/hr, give or take. It doesn’t matter if you value your time at $50/hr or $500/hr. They pay what is determined to be the going rate and time the “book” says it should take to do the job.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 20, 2018, 01:40:20 pm
Most jobs like that are calculated at the shop rate for labor, which is normally in the range of $100/hr, give or take. It doesn’t matter if you value your time at $50/hr or $500/hr. They pay what is determined to be the going rate and time the “book” says it should take to do the job.
Good point. Thanks!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 20, 2018, 02:01:34 pm
I do not know how your ins. co. works but Progressive just assigned a max. value for "accessories", which was around $3000 as I said, and if the bike was totaled, as your most certainly is, they just add that number to the book value of the stock bike. No need to itemize anything. And the adjust looked at my bike and stated outright he would allow the full accessories value (top box, Corbin saddle, windshield, two Garmins, etc., etc.:  there was absolutely no doubt that there were more than $3K in accessories added to the bike.

Brian

I was just mainly trying to remember how long it took me to install my Rostra, and what I was going to charge the insurance for it. I don't believe I would take it on as a paying job, since I've only done it one time, and that was what, 7...8 years ago? You might be right about 8 hours being a little on the tight side, but I also don't wanna get more than it's actually worth in the settlement. If there's a maximum $ value the insurance will pay for accessories, I'm probably pretty close to that already.

Also, as far as being a skilled mechanic. I'm retired from that way of making a living, and my, $50 an hour price quote is a way of keeping the freeloaders at bay. LOL

Thanks again, Man. Jamie
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 20, 2018, 04:37:36 pm
I do not know how your ins. co. works but Progressive just assigned a max. value for "accessories", which was around $3000 as I said, and if the bike was totaled, as your most certainly is, they just add that number to the book value of the stock bike. No need to itemize anything. And the adjust looked at my bike and stated outright he would allow the full accessories value (top box, Corbin saddle, windshield, two Garmins, etc., etc.:  there was absolutely no doubt that there were more than $3K in accessories added to the bike.

Brian
Cool. Good info. It's kind of convoluted. The other driver's insurance is Farm Bureau. My attorney filed my medical claim through my Jeep's insurance (Progressive) because it was better coverage than what was on the bike (Markel). But eventually, Farm Bureau will be the one who foots the bill. Farm Bureau won't be here to look at my scoot till Tuesday, the 29th. Not really a hurry on that.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 20, 2018, 09:13:47 pm
Yeah, I was in the same boat: the person who hit me had some other ins. coverage. After three attempts to work with them (missed appointments, missed telephone calls), I called MY ins. co., which was Progressive, and they could not have been more accommodating. They came to me, looked over the bike, wrote an estimate on the spot and after I agreed to that estimate, cut me two checks from the printer in the car. Slick. Then they back- charged the other ins. co. but honestly, I really do not care about that; my end was painless, professional and smooth.

Brian

Cool. Good info. It's kind of convoluted. The other driver's insurance is Farm Bureau. My attorney filed my medical claim through my Jeep's insurance (Progressive) because it was better coverage than what was on the bike (Markel). But eventually, Farm Bureau will be the one who foots the bill. Farm Bureau won't be here to look at my scoot till Tuesday, the 29th. Not really a hurry on that.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 23, 2018, 06:13:31 pm
First bit of physical therapy on my shoulder today. Man, that was kinda unpleasant. I could hear the tendons going, "boiiinnng"traveling up my neck, and into my ears. Otherwise, I'm doing pretty good. Still, I don't think I'll be on a scoot this season. That's a bummer.

Later, Guys. Need a nap.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 23, 2018, 07:14:23 pm
Hey, me too on my  wrist! Except instead of a 'boinging', my wrist made a crunching noise / feeling and that smarted pretty good. I actually thought I opened up the fractures but it only hurt for a moment and there has been no further pain, swelling or anything else so I am hoping it was a tendon as the PT therapist said it probably was. Although she was a lot more confident than I was.  ???

They stuck my arm into this 'heating' machine that I though was full of warm water but it was really warm sand, and then air jets started agitating the whole mess. It really loosened up my wrist, and after ten minutes of that, I got 10 and 15 degrees of additional bend out of the wrist (going up and down, not much improvement going side to side).

The surgeon said I have probably done my last push- up and that is fine but right now. I can barely raise my hand much above my forearm (with forearm on a flat table, the hand only comes up about 3" at the fingertips). If this does not get significantly better, I may have difficult with a motorcycle clutch. Then again, I can always spin the master cylinder [lever- down] so my hand does not have to bend so much to hold the grip and use the clutch. It is way to early to assume it will be that bad though so I am keeping 'happy thoughts' regarding improvement.

Brian

First bit of physical therapy on my shoulder today. Man, that was kinda unpleasant. I could hear the tendons going, "boiiinnng"traveling up my neck, and into my ears. Otherwise, I'm doing pretty good. Still, I don't think I'll be on a scoot this season. That's a bummer.

Later, Guys. Need a nap.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 24, 2018, 11:21:18 am
Hey, me too on my  wrist! Except instead of a 'boinging', my wrist made a crunching noise / feeling and that smarted pretty good. I actually thought I opened up the fractures but it only hurt for a moment and there has been no further pain, swelling or anything else so I am hoping it was a tendon as the PT therapist said it probably was. Although she was a lot more confident than I was.  ???

They stuck my arm into this 'heating' machine that I though was full of warm water but it was really warm sand, and then air jets started agitating the whole mess. It really loosened up my wrist, and after ten minutes of that, I got 10 and 15 degrees of additional bend out of the wrist (going up and down, not much improvement going side to side).

The surgeon said I have probably done my last push- up and that is fine but right now. I can barely raise my hand much above my forearm (with forearm on a flat table, the hand only comes up about 3" at the fingertips). If this does not get significantly better, I may have difficult with a motorcycle clutch. Then again, I can always spin the master cylinder [lever- down] so my hand does not have to bend so much to hold the grip and use the clutch. It is way to early to assume it will be that bad though so I am keeping 'happy thoughts' regarding improvement.

Brian
The noises are kinda horrifying at first! I hope You don't get arthritis in that wrist. Damn, Brother. My knee is aching some today, so I guess I'm going to have to be careful about my sleeping positions.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 24, 2018, 03:14:40 pm
Yeah, my wrist is hurting too- started last night and has not backed off sinse so no home PT today, some Alleve and maybe an alcohol massage (from the inside).

Funny thing happened today though- my wife went to her orthopedic surgeon to have some sutures removed from her foot. While there, I chatted with the surgeon and asked if tendons can make 'crunching' or 'grinding' sounds and he assured me that they did. He said tissue grows around and onto them and during rehab, with moving to (and a little beyond) the max. movement points, those tissues actually 'rip' off the tendon(s) so it can move normally. He said it is more a result of being in a cast than the actual surgery; with the limb immobilized and yet in a healing mode, the tissue grows pretty fast including in places, such as around tendons and joints, where it really should not be. I said I was afraid I re-broke my scaphoid and he said he would be amazed if that happened no matter how far a limb was pushed without a substantial striking force to go with the stretching, especially if there is a screw in the bone. So that made me feel a lot better about that 'crunch' in the wrist yesterday.

The number one reason my surgeon recommended surgery and the screw was to realign the bones to prevent arthritis in the future. He specifically said that even years later, he could re- break the bone and set it correctly but if he was doing that because I had developed arthritis, it would never fully recover from the then- existing arthritis.

Man, 'His & Her' orthopedic surgeons..... must be like dating for old people.  :o ::)   Makes me think of the line "You climb obstacles like old people f**k."   :rotflmao:

Brian

The noises are kinda horrifying at first! I hope You don't get arthritis in that wrist. Damn, Brother. My knee is aching some today, so I guess I'm going to have to be careful about my sleeping positions.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 24, 2018, 10:08:30 pm

 "You climb obstacles like old people f**k."   :rotflmao:

Brian
Haha! I saw FMJ the first weekend pass I had between basic training and AIT, back in 87. LOL
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 29, 2018, 05:53:34 pm
Just a note. I'm feeling up to taking an inventory of the frequently needed good parts on the motor scoot. I'll do my best to let folks know when Iv'e got something off, and if it's usable or not. I'm probably not going to get another Concours, if I ever get to feeling the riding bug again. So, things like My Laam seat, and other good parts will go to good homes. I'm still feeling out my left arm for doing some wrench turning, but so far, so good.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 29, 2018, 06:44:47 pm
If..... if? You <may> not ride going forward? I understand you have been hurt but I just kinda' expected you would be coming back for round 2 or 3 or 28. Not that I would blame you or anyone else for walking away from riding....

Glad to hear you are making progress with mobility. My wrist is getting better surprisingly quickly too after the first PT (I go again tomorrow).

Wow, I feel like we are two old people in a nursing home talking about the most gentle heart burn treatment.  ::)   ;D

Brian

Just a note. I'm feeling up to taking an inventory of the frequently needed good parts on the motor scoot. I'll do my best to let folks know when Iv'e got something off, and if it's usable or not. I'm probably not going to get another Concours, if I ever get to feeling the riding bug again. So, things like My Laam seat, and other good parts will go to good homes. I'm still feeling out my left arm for doing some wrench turning, but so far, so good.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 30, 2018, 08:50:25 am
If..... if? You <may> not ride going forward? I understand you have been hurt but I just kinda' expected you would be coming back for round 2 or 3 or 28. Not that I would blame you or anyone else for walking away from riding....

Glad to hear you are making progress with mobility. My wrist is getting better surprisingly quickly too after the first PT (I go again tomorrow).

Wow, I feel like we are two old people in a nursing home talking about the most gentle heart burn treatment.  ::)   ;D

Brian
That's kickass about Your wrist, Man! I figure, I'm not going to be capable of riding till next season, anyways. I might as well let the good parts left on the scoot do some of the brothers here some good. I really like the new Goldwings, and by next year, there might be a few used ones on the market. The airbag technology on them seems to be pretty solid.

I definitely don't want to be one of those old dudes that always complains about my aches and pains. It would never stop. Heck, I was a paratrooper. I'm supposed to hurt. Haha
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on May 30, 2018, 04:33:23 pm
I definitely don't want to be one of those old dudes that always complains about my aches and pains. It would never stop.

I don't even think I am "old" quite yet, and I am already sick and tired of MY OWN complaining about aches and pains.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 30, 2018, 04:57:30 pm
Yeah, not one to whine myself.

Not to hijack your thread but another trip to the rehab. and results are better than expected: overall, about 80% of function / movement returned which is far more than the therapist (or I) expected. Wrist <seems> to be healing well, and mobility returning. Wised up and took Alleve BEFORE P.T. instead of after so pain is minimal. They extended me two appoints for P.T., for a total of six at one- week intervals. Seven weeks since surgery and 8 weeks since breaking the bone so it is going better than I had been led to belief (that is NOT a complaint!).

Ran into a pile of firewood for the taking right after P.T. appointment- here is to hoping that the wrist is up to some light duty use in retrieving said firewood.

Brian

That's kickass about Your wrist, Man! I figure, I'm not going to be capable of riding till next season, anyways. I might as well let the good parts left on the scoot do some of the brothers here some good. I really like the new Goldwings, and by next year, there might be a few used ones on the market. The airbag technology on them seems to be pretty solid.

I definitely don't want to be one of those old dudes that always complains about my aches and pains. It would never stop. Heck, I was a paratrooper. I'm supposed to hurt. Haha
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: gPink on May 30, 2018, 05:33:35 pm
Brian, any success with that bone stimulator?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 30, 2018, 05:49:57 pm
Yeah, not one to whine myself.

Not to hijack your thread but another trip to the rehab. and results are better than expected: overall, about 80% of function / movement returned which is far more than the therapist (or I) expected. Wrist <seems> to be healing well, and mobility returning. Wised up and took Alleve BEFORE P.T. instead of after so pain is minimal. They extended me two appoints for P.T., for a total of six at one- week intervals. Seven weeks since surgery and 8 weeks since breaking the bone so it is going better than I had been led to belief (that is NOT a complaint!).

Ran into a pile of firewood for the taking right after P.T. appointment- here is to hoping that the wrist is up to some light duty use in retrieving said firewood.

Brian
That's good news, Man. Grabbing that wood will probably be quite a workout, but a useful one. Hope the wrist hangs in there.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on May 30, 2018, 07:24:19 pm
Hmmmm..... that is what they are asking me in the (paid) study I am participating in. And my answer is: I really have no idea at all. ?? I use it twice a day, and my wrist is getting better but is there any part of that attributed to the stimulator? No way to know as far as I can see.

BTW: the study is being done by the very company that provides the stimulator in the first place. The only way I can see that my, or anyone elses' data could be useful is if they adhere to Mark Twain's words: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.".

Brian

Brian, any success with that bone stimulator?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: gPink on May 30, 2018, 07:24:42 pm
Brian, any success with that bone stimulator?
That's good news, Man. Grabbing that wood will probably be quite a workout, but a useful one. Hope the wrist hangs in there.

......insert 'easy boys' as necessary
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: connie_rider on May 31, 2018, 02:44:14 pm
Yer a sik man.  :thumbs:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on May 31, 2018, 08:21:24 pm
Hahaha! Oh, lordy!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 02, 2018, 02:37:38 pm
Got a few things off the scoot today. Of course I took out the PCM and I'll bag it with my key fobs. Rear fender extension is off, with the lic plate light. Area P and mid pipe. All the footpegs are good. Got those. Left saddlebag. The right one has a damaged latch and is scuffed, but I think is repairable. Still want to get the tires, and wheels off, but waiting to get paid before I tackle those. I'll have to lift the bike with My engine crane for that. That thing is a pain in the keister. The Pirellis have less than 1K miles on em. I'll probably get the brake calipers, and master cylinders.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on June 02, 2018, 02:43:04 pm
Did you buy back the bike from the insurance company?  I must have missed that....  Typically, they will pay you for the loss and the vehicle then belongs to them (unless you buy it back).   In such cases, you should be allowed to remove any customized or added components, as long as you return it roughly to stock components (put back or at least give them what you originally removed/replaced... like factory muffler, seat, bars, racks, whatever).
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 02, 2018, 03:51:11 pm
Did you buy back the bike from the insurance company?  I must have missed that....  Typically, they will pay you for the loss and the vehicle then belongs to them (unless you buy it back).   In such cases, you should be allowed to remove any customized or added components, as long as you return it roughly to stock components (put back or at least give them what you originally removed/replaced... like factory muffler, seat, bars, racks, whatever).
Not yet, but that hasn't been discussed yet. If it becomes an issue, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. That's why, wheels, tires, and all the basic stuff is still on the bike. The rest, in a pinch it'll all slip back into place. I doubt they'll miss the cruise control, and aftermarket lighting. Bike is too crunched up to believe that all survived.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: connie_rider on June 03, 2018, 08:08:40 pm
Replace the OEM parts you removed with original.
Farkles are yours...

Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Cholla on June 04, 2018, 11:52:47 am
How do you buy a vehicle you already own?
The insurace company covers you for the loss of value of the vehicle. The title is not what is insured. The vehicle isnt insured. Its the monetary value. If the bike is worth 10k they pay you 10k. The title and vehicle remains yours.
They cover the loss in value not the object.
And yes I have been through tis and the adjuster (why not claim agent) told me I was correct and how did I know this.
I still have the bike and no salvage title. It remained in the safe.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 04, 2018, 01:38:08 pm
How do you buy a vehicle you already own?
The insurace company covers you for the loss of value of the vehicle. The title is not what is insured. The vehicle isnt insured. Its the monetary value. If the bike is worth 10k they pay you 10k. The title and vehicle remains yours.
They cover the loss in value not the object.
And yes I have been through tis and the adjuster (why not claim agent) told me I was correct and how did I know this.
I still have the bike and no salvage title. It remained in the safe.
I also think this.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Cholla on June 04, 2018, 02:12:43 pm
I dont thnk it I know it as I have done it.

Insurance companies dont want to deal with the hassle of picking up a crashed vehiicle.
But if they can reduce their payot by you reducing the amount of the settlement they will.
Then THEY can sell it as junk and recoup some of what they paid out.

Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Conniesaki on June 04, 2018, 02:52:38 pm
How do you buy a vehicle you already own?
The insurace company covers you for the loss of value of the vehicle. The title is not what is insured. The vehicle isnt insured. Its the monetary value. If the bike is worth 10k they pay you 10k. The title and vehicle remains yours.
They cover the loss in value not the object.
And yes I have been through tis and the adjuster (why not claim agent) told me I was correct and how did I know this.
I still have the bike and no salvage title. It remained in the safe.

From https://www.insure.com/car-insurance/totaled-cars.html (https://www.insure.com/car-insurance/totaled-cars.html)

Keeping a vehicle that your car insurance company has totaled

If you decide to accept the insurer's decision to total your car but you still want to keep it, your insurer will pay you the cash value of the vehicle, minus any deductible that is due and the amount your car could have been sold for at a salvage yard. It then will be up to you to arrange to make repairs.

"They will cut you a check," says Ward, and then you’re on your own.

I bet that "amount your car could have been sold for at a salvage yard" could be significant, especially since the insurance co gets to decide on that figure, and probably depends on how bad the insurance company wants your car, i.e. how much money they think they can make off of it.

Anyway, it was my understanding that if your vehicle is totaled and you accept the payout, the insurance company then owns it: title, vehicle and value ... all of it. Maybe you could decline the payout and keep the totaled vehicle (maybe not in all states, though), and if so you have to decide if the amount they were offering you is worth declining in order to keep it.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on June 04, 2018, 04:37:09 pm
Anyway, it was my understanding that if your vehicle is totaled and you accept the payout, the insurance company then owns it: title, vehicle and value ... all of it.

You are correct.  Although they will typically allow you to remove and keep personal contents, addons and upgrades, assuming they didn't already pay you for the value of those, too; as long as you do give them all the original stuff.  They can and do generate some significant money by turning around and selling a totaled vehicle.  Lots of perfectly good parts are in demand and resold.  I know, I have been to junk yards many times and see how many people are there and see all the money changing hands.

Quote
Maybe you could decline the payout and keep the totaled vehicle (maybe not in all states, though), and if so you have to decide if the amount they were offering you is worth declining in order to keep it.

They will certainly be willing to sell you back the totaled vehicle, for a price they compute.  That price might not be reasonable or what you want to pay, in which case you can refuse to buy it back or possibly negotiate with them for a better deal.  But you accept the payout, you accept their terms and their liability is then zero to you (you will have to sign something to that exact matter, or agree that cashing/depositing the check is your consent to their terms).  The only other option is to not accept the payout and then negotiate or mediate, or to take it court.  Not accepting a payout is less common with just a totaled vehicle, but far more common when it comes to cases that also include "injury" which is far less objective and quantifiable.   There is no blue book for health and no price you can easily ascribe to acute or long term pain and suffering, or loss of function.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Cholla on June 05, 2018, 11:42:57 am
The above is incorrect. It is YOUR vehicle. The check only covers the monetary loss in value. The title is not covered.
Your house gets hi by a tornado. Dou you buy it back from the insurance co or do you use the settlement to rebuild?
They cover your loss in the value of the home. You are "made whole" with the settlement. That is the job of the insurance co...to make you "whole".

Remember I have been down this road. And I have the vehicle. I was paid full book value. I repaired the vehicle. Title remained in my safe. I was made whole.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: connie_rider on June 05, 2018, 01:34:11 pm
This is all news to me.
Everyone I heard about that kept the bike, had to buy it back for some token amount..
Never heard of a bike being kept that had been totaled and paid for...

Over the years, I had 2 cars totaled.
Both were kept by the insurance company.
Are bikes somehow different?

The difference might be, if the vehicle was owned, or the owner and the bank's?
ie: Does the insurance company pay of the vehicle, or give the entire check to the owner?
     If the vehicle is owned outright, that might be part of the answer..

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Conniesaki on June 05, 2018, 02:57:20 pm
The above is incorrect. It is YOUR vehicle. The check only covers the monetary loss in value. The title is not covered.
Your house gets hi by a tornado. Dou you buy it back from the insurance co or do you use the settlement to rebuild?
They cover your loss in the value of the home. You are "made whole" with the settlement. That is the job of the insurance co...to make you "whole".

Remember I have been down this road. And I have the vehicle. I was paid full book value. I repaired the vehicle. Title remained in my safe. I was made whole.

I suspect you had a rare situation where your bike's parts were worth a low enough amount that the insurance company decided it was cheaper to just let you keep it than to pay to transport it to a salvage yard. And not worth repairing.

Just think, if it was gonna cost $100 to have it taken to a salvage yard, only to receive $100 from the salvage yard, why bother? And maybe you live in the boonies where the nearest salvage yard is 100 miles away, so now the transport cost is much more than $100.

What make/model/year bike are we talking about here? Let's have some details.

Another link: https://braunslaw.com/faqs/who-receives-the-payment-if-a-car-is-totaled-after-a-crash/

Often the settlement check will be issued to your lender and you, and you would need to endorse the check before sending it to your lender. Once the lender receives the payment, it would send the insurance company the title to your vehicle.

According to you, the lender should send the owner the title, yet they're sending it to the insurance company.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Cholla on June 06, 2018, 08:58:30 am
The bike is a  87 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP II. One of 100 imported.
Fairing/body parts are now made of unobtanium. All damage was strictly cosmetic. 3500 worth.
The fact remains  the adjuster told me I was right saying the vehicle was still mine and they only cover the value.
He axed how I knew this. I told him I heard it from a friend...an insurance adjuster.
Insurance companies dont want you to know this because t reduces their payout on the claim.

Their bottom line is how much they pay you. Doesnt matter if you take them to court, legal fees come from a different pocket and is  not figured in.
Besides, if the hike is totalled and has scrap vale shouldnt I get that money instead of them? If they consider it a total loss then it has no residual value...right?
The bank should never send the title to the vehicle. They are not buying it. They are paying for the loss in value of the bike not the title. It has no actual value.
The "buy your own vehicle back" is a scam by insurance companies to reduce their payout.
Btw it cost 1300 and my time to fix the hike. I pocketed the balance.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Conniesaki on June 06, 2018, 10:38:39 am
The bike is a  87 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP II. One of 100 imported.
Fairing/body parts are now made of unobtanium. All damage was strictly cosmetic. 3500 worth.
The fact remains  the adjuster told me I was right saying the vehicle was still mine and they only cover the value.
He axed how I knew this. I told him I heard it from a friend...an insurance adjuster.
Insurance companies dont want you to know this because t reduces their payout on the claim.

Their bottom line is how much they pay you. Doesnt matter if you take them to court, legal fees come from a different pocket and is  not figured in.
Besides, if the hike is totalled and has scrap vale shouldnt I get that money instead of them? If they consider it a total loss then it has no residual value...right?
The bank should never send the title to the vehicle. They are not buying it. They are paying for the loss in value of the bike not the title. It has no actual value.
The "buy your own vehicle back" is a scam by insurance companies to reduce their payout.
Btw it cost 1300 and my time to fix the hike. I pocketed the balance.

Dude ... Your bike is almost 30 years old, and it's only 1 of 100 ... so Blue Books and NADAs are not going to be very accurate, if they have any info at all, and I'm pretty sure those are the kind of valuation sources insurance companies use.

So you "know" your damaged bike still has thousands of dollars worth of valuable parts, but the insurance company probably doesn't, or even if they do they don't have streamlined buying sources lined up ready to pay that kind of money for the parts. So they'd have to spend time researching to find buyers of these rare parts that one of the 100 other 87 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP II owners are ready to pay big bucks for. The insurance company needs a big market of buyers so things are streamlined, efficient and profitable. Think about it: Let's say you had no insurance on the bike, got in an accident that ruined it but you still had some flawless parts to sell off it: Where will you find buyers to pay the money you're anticipating for your unobtanium? How many of those buyers are out there? Not many. So the insurance company's decision: Pay you and let you keep your beloved bike that would otherwise just cost them time/money to deal with.

Pretty sure your rare situation doesn't apply to very many others.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: tweeter55 on June 06, 2018, 01:05:15 pm


Pretty sure your rare situation doesn't apply to very many others.
I'm following what Cholla has stated & it shouldn't make any difference if it was 1 in 100 or 1 in 10,000. The same rules should apply, right?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: maxtog on June 06, 2018, 03:42:19 pm
I'm following what Cholla has stated & it shouldn't make any difference if it was 1 in 100 or 1 in 10,000. The same rules should apply, right?

Not really.

What it comes down to is what I said earlier.  By taking out a policy, you are already agreeing to their zillions of fine-print terms.  If you accept/cash/deposit their check, you are legally agreeing to their terms and it is pretty much over for that transaction.   So they certainly will take ownership of the totaled vehicle if that is their policy and you agree to it.  Your only recourse:

1) Not accept the deal and negotiation with them.
2) Not accept the deal and sue them in court.

I would hope that most good insurance companies are willing to hear you and possibly negotiate.  What they care about is the total net transaction cost.  But if you are a great customer with few or no claims, and a good case, they very well might even be willing to alter their policies or amounts to:

1) Keep you happy
2) Keep you from badmouthing them to others
3) Keep you as a good, paying customer into the future
4) Avert expensive and time consuming arbitration, or worse, court action

(strike 1 and 3 if they are not your insurance company but someone else's paying you).
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: route66tc on June 07, 2018, 03:12:46 am
Be sure you get your helmet and gear covered by the ins adjuster.
My son dropped his C14 Feb 8th.  He was making a left out of the alley by mom and dad's house.  Very low speed.  Spiral break in his tibia (Fixed with tibial nail).  Splinter fracture of his fibula and a broken metatarsal.  Accident on Friday, check in hand the following Tuesday.  Talked to the adjuster from Geico (full coverage) and was told that riding gear wasn't covered.
He's having an issue with bone growth.  The doctor is prescribing a stimulator as well.  Just waiting for the insurance company to approve it.  Really hope it helps him!
I'm in Tell City and ride 62 from time to time.  You're the closest concours owner that I know of.  Good luck with everything.  If you get another bike, we should take a ride together one day.  What intersection were you at when this happened? 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Cholla on June 07, 2018, 07:58:48 am
Mh bike wasnt 30 years old when it was damaged.
But value is value and at that time book value was 4400. They offered 3500 to total and confiscate.
I refused.
I got full book.
And remember the  adjuster said I was right in the insurance doesnt cover the vehicle itself. The value of same is whats covered.
I hope all works out with the OP and wounds heal quickly.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 07, 2018, 08:14:20 pm
My son dropped his C14 Feb 8th.  He was making a left out of the alley by mom and dad's house.  Very low speed.  Spiral break in his tibia (Fixed with tibial nail).  Splinter fracture of his fibula and a broken metatarsal.  Accident on Friday, check in hand the following Tuesday.  Talked to the adjuster from Geico (full coverage) and was told that riding gear wasn't covered.
He's having an issue with bone growth.  The doctor is prescribing a stimulator as well.  Just waiting for the insurance company to approve it.  Really hope it helps him!
I'm in Tell City and ride 62 from time to time.  You're the closest concours owner that I know of.  Good luck with everything.  If you get another bike, we should take a ride together one day.  What intersection were you at when this happened?
I was at the intersection of Highway 135 and I-64. The Van hit me at the intersection to get on I-64 East. Hope Your Son heals up quick. I'm getting better day by day.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on June 07, 2018, 08:26:08 pm
Good to hear!

Not to pollute your thread but I got good news from both the surgeon and the P.T. therapist Wed. (had appts. with both): my wrist is up to about 85% movement with the biggest limitation being able to lift my hand above parallel with my wrist (as I was cautioned by the surgeon: he said that will never recover to 'as it was'). The bone is knitting according to the Dr. viewing X-rays, and I have been cleared to use my left hand for light to moderate use: no more than 40 lbs. lifting, and cleared to shoot handguns again. One more trip to P.T. and one final visit to the surgeon and I should be done with all medical assistance. And now, as Mortimer Duke said, for the good news: I can grasp, hold and lean onto the left handlebar of a C-14 and can operate the clutch. Yippy, 'cause I was worried about that one.

Hope you heal even better than I probably will.

Brian

I was at the intersection of Highway 135 and I-64. The Van hit me at the intersection to get on I-64 East. Hope Your Son heals up quick. I'm getting better day by day.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: sanmo on June 08, 2018, 05:10:00 am
A few more nuts and bolts, a bone splint here and a bone stimulator there, soon we have?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 08, 2018, 04:17:31 pm
Good to hear!

Not to pollute your thread but I got good news from both the surgeon and the P.T. therapist Wed. (had appts. with both): my wrist is up to about 85% movement with the biggest limitation being able to lift my hand above parallel with my wrist (as I was cautioned by the surgeon: he said that will never recover to 'as it was'). The bone is knitting according to the Dr. viewing X-rays, and I have been cleared to use my left hand for light to moderate use: no more than 40 lbs. lifting, and cleared to shoot handguns again. One more trip to P.T. and one final visit to the surgeon and I should be done with all medical assistance. And now, as Mortimer Duke said, for the good news: I can grasp, hold and lean onto the left handlebar of a C-14 and can operate the clutch. Yippy, 'cause I was worried about that one.

Hope you heal even better than I probably will.

Brian
Yeah, I'm pleased with my healing speed. I worked on my knee today, doing half squats, and using ankle wights to do seated leg lifts. My left hand is still pretty weak, but the strength is coming back.

I'm really glad to hear You're improving. That left wrist is a bad one.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 08, 2018, 04:19:16 pm
A few more nuts and bolts, a bone splint here and a bone stimulator there, soon we have?
Haha! Truth!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: B.D.F. on June 08, 2018, 06:19:17 pm
Also glad to hear you are making progress. It is really all we can do- deal with what life left us with and make the best out of it. If we get sufficiently better / good to return to past performance (or close enough) great, if not, well then I guess we do the best we can with what we have left.

As I said, in my own personal 'adventure', riding a motorcycle was actually in question, and frankly, I was not yet ready to forgo that in my lifetime. But according to the latest news and testing, I CAN ride, which is enough to make me happy.

Your own physical recovery will determine what you can do in the future and I sincerely do hope that it allows you to do everything you want / need to do (for work and your own personal life). As I said, I was just not ready to 'give in' on riding a motorcycle and it looks like I will not have to because of this wrist fracture. I wish you as well with you recent injuries. Sooner or later, we all have to give it up I suppose but I am just not quite ready to give up bike riding nor am I quite ready for an OldWing (et al.). Not that there is anything wrong with an OldWing, it is a well established motorcycle with an excellent track record but for the time being, I want to fool myself that riding a 'Sport Tourer' is closer to riding a Sport bike than a true tourer. Hey, the illusion is worth its' weight in gold, right? <snicker>

Brian

Yeah, I'm pleased with my healing speed. I worked on my knee today, doing half squats, and using ankle wights to do seated leg lifts. My left hand is still pretty weak, but the strength is coming back.

I'm really glad to hear You're improving. That left wrist is a bad one.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 12, 2018, 05:12:13 pm
Here's some insurance weirdness. I totally zoned on my insurance. About a week before starting the riding season, I bought an el-cheapo insurance policy on the net, from Markel Insurance. A couple weeks later, the accident happens.
Fast forward a month and a half. and an automatic payment comes out of my checking account for American Modern Insurance. A policy I had believed was terminated. Evidently, my last payment was for a full year instead of six months. LOL So, I had one policy with liability only, and another with all the bells and whistles type of coverage.

Anyways, the other guys insurance gave me a low ball estimate, just barely above salvage value, so I told them no way. That's still ongoing.

Just a little update.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: Deziner on June 12, 2018, 09:26:41 pm
Sorry to hear about your accident. Mercifully, you faired pretty well, all things considered.

The other guy's insurance company is doing what they are supposed to do. Deal out as little cash as possible. You may say and or believe that they are there to "make you whole". Wrong. They are in business to make money. Period. They will do as little as possible and hope you settle. It is in their favor to drag this out as long a reasonably possible. The longer the money stays in the bank, the more interest that is earned. To you it is a few thousand dollars, if they have only a few thousand claims open, it adds up to millions. This is one of the reasons we have to get lawyers involved. As distasteful as that may be, it is almost always necessary to get a fair shake.

Best of luck with your recovery and your settlement.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: connie_rider on June 18, 2018, 09:49:04 am
Jamie, who's been paying all the medical bills? {His insurance, or yours}
As his insurance low balled you, it might be a good time to bring that, plus pain/suffering, and lost time from work into the negotiation's.
   That, "will" get their attention!

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: jamiemac on June 18, 2018, 10:07:10 pm
Jamie, who's been paying all the medical bills? {His insurance, or yours}
As his insurance low balled you, it might be a good time to bring that, plus pain/suffering, and lost time from work into the negotiation's.
   That, "will" get their attention!

Ride safe, Ted
Since I have an attorney working on that end of the case, I've gotta keep it separate from the loss of the scoot, because I'm going to clean their clock on the medical end of the deal. As far as the negotiations on the bike are concerned, it's a waiting game for now. If they don't fork up a satisfactory amount by the time I'm wrapping up the injury case, I'll let the attorney deal with that also.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled, I'm a sad biker, but I'm in pretty good shape.
Post by: connie_rider on June 19, 2018, 07:23:35 am
Ok, I follow ya.
Best of luck.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: jamiemac on August 06, 2018, 11:29:05 am
Some of the decent takeoff parts from My connie are going up on the for sale forum. I'm leaning towards a Goldwing as a replacement, because of my knee's limited range of motion, so another sport tourer isn't in the cards, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: Conniesaki on August 06, 2018, 02:21:27 pm
I read good things about the new Goldwing. But boy are they expensive! I myself am still too young, fit, flexible and sexy, so no 'wing for me for at least another decade  :thumbs: Good luck on yours though, and would like to see pics when you get it.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: jamiemac on August 06, 2018, 04:54:52 pm
I read good things about the new Goldwing. But boy are they expensive! I myself am still too young, fit, flexible and sexy, so no 'wing for me for at least another decade  :thumbs: Good luck on yours though, and would like to see pics when you get it.
Maybe in the spring. I still don't feel up to riding yet. Hopefully, the reviews are right about the new one being more of a big sport tourer are correct.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: gPink on August 06, 2018, 06:43:36 pm
I read good things about the new Goldwing. But boy are they expensive! I myself am still too young, fit, flexible and sexy,(easy boys) so no 'wing for me for at least another decade  :thumbs: Good luck on yours though, and would like to see pics when you get it.
fify  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: jamiemac on August 16, 2018, 01:07:40 pm
An update on my healing process. It appears my knee that took a smack on the fuel tank is not healing as expected, so I'm seeing an orthopedic dude on Monday to discuss my options. Also, it's kind of weird looking, and that's not good either I suppose.
I've stripped all kinds of pretty useful stuff on the scoot, and put it on the sale section.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: connie_rider on August 16, 2018, 02:48:39 pm
Thanks for the update. Do keep us posted on the knee….

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: Conniesaki on August 16, 2018, 02:58:19 pm
An update on my healing process. It appears my knee that took a smack on the fuel tank is not healing as expected, so I'm seeing an orthopedic dude on Monday to discuss my options. Also, it's kind of weird looking, and that's not good either I suppose.
I've stripped all kinds of pretty useful stuff on the scoot, and put it on the sale section.

At age 49 I feel like "weird looking" is OK as long as it works pretty well. (I guess that's a variation on Form Follows Function)

Hopefully you can get it there :thumbs:
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: maxtog on August 16, 2018, 03:50:08 pm
At age 49 I feel like "weird looking" is OK as long as it works pretty well. (I guess that's a variation on Form Follows Function)

I hear you.... my "49" is almost done and although most everything LOOKS great, nothing seems to feel that way anymore.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Posting some good parts on for sale forum)
Post by: jamiemac on August 16, 2018, 04:19:29 pm
hehe. Thanks Fellas. Everyone on here is the best.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: jamiemac on August 24, 2018, 10:58:33 pm
Having surgery on my bendy part (easy boys, it's my knee) on Thursday. All the PT i did so far was just to build up my supporting muscles. The quad on my right leg is much smaller than my left, which is a little disturbing. My right leg was always stronger in my athletic days. Doc is going to root around in there, and remove any loose tissue floating around, and try to smooth out the edges of the meniscus pad, ow whatever that donut thingy is called.

On another note. I've sat on. Revved the engine, and monkeyed with the buttons on the 2018 Goldwings, so that makes me an expert. Ask Me anything. :-)
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: tweeter55 on August 25, 2018, 06:07:56 am
Ask Me anything.

Ya'll going to buy one?

On a more serious note, good luck with the follow-up surgery & recovery efforts. :banana :banana :banana Hope everything is successful so you can & will ride on 2 wheels again, whatever the brand.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: Rubber_Snake on August 25, 2018, 08:19:37 am
Good luck with the surgery, JMac.  I hope you make it back 100%. 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: jamiemac on August 25, 2018, 02:22:28 pm
Ya'll going to buy one?

On a more serious note, good luck with the follow-up surgery & recovery efforts. :banana :banana :banana Hope everything is successful so you can & will ride on 2 wheels again, whatever the brand.
I'm about 70% sure that i'm thinking about gettin ready to possibly buy one.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: connie_rider on August 25, 2018, 04:29:27 pm
There, I fixed it for ya..

I'm about 70% sure that I'm thinking about gettin' ready to possibly buy one,,,, "maybe"..

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: maxtog on August 25, 2018, 04:47:15 pm
He should get into politics!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: gPink on August 25, 2018, 05:33:27 pm
He should get into politics!

Nah, then we'd have to not like him.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Update on new bike purchase last post)
Post by: jamiemac on August 25, 2018, 07:50:19 pm
There, I fixed it for ya..

I'm about 70% sure that I'm thinking about gettin' ready to possibly buy one,,,, "maybe"..

Ride safe, Ted
Hehe! I really would buy one right now, if I knew how this knee and lawsuit stuff was gonna turn out. I'm jus tryin to not get my hopes up about a new scoot. Also, the color choices for the 2018 Airbag Wing doesn't really trip my trigger. Hoping the 2019 makes me warm n fuzzy.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: fartymarty on August 26, 2018, 12:41:04 pm
Hehe! I really would buy one right now, if I knew how this knee and lawsuit stuff was gonna turn out. I'm jus tryin to not get my hopes up about a new scoot. Also, the color choices for the 2018 Airbag Wing doesn't really trip my trigger. Hoping the 2019 makes me warm n fuzzy.


I agree, the top of the line Gold Wing's colors are a bit too busy for me as well.
If I'm still riding in my 70s I expect to be looking at one myself, probably a used one. They seem much improved, but still prepare yourself for some price shocks.
For instance, from my (admittedly limited) research it appears that even the top of the line model doesn't come with a 12v accessory socket. It's an add on accessory item. I looked at Honda's install instructions (http://powersports.honda.com/documentum/MW01/08U79-MKC-A00.pdf) that are 7 pages long!  :yikes:
The centerstand (an option on lower priced models) instructions seem strange as well (IMO)....
Quote from: GW Owner's manual

Using the center stand
To lower the center stand, stand on the
left side of the motorcycle. Hold the left
handle grip and the left grab rail. Press
down on the tip of the center stand with
your right foot and, simultaneously, pull
up and back.
3.
Turn the handlebars fully to the left.

Turning the handlebars to the right
reduces stability and may cause the
motorcycle to fall.
  :o ???

I never purchased a Honda new so I'm not sure how the dealer's do it. It would be nice if they have the service department install accessories during the down times so that
when you negotiate the price, you are also negotiating accessory install prices. If they leave them as they come out of the crate and you have to pay full price for the accessories and installation
charges it appears you could easily get up to some astronomical figures.
Yeah, I'll be looking used for sure.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: jamiemac on August 26, 2018, 02:41:44 pm
I agree, the top of the line Gold Wing's colors are a bit too busy for me as well.
If I'm still riding in my 70s I expect to be looking at one myself, probably a used one. They seem much improved, but still prepare yourself for some price shocks.
For instance, from my (admittedly limited) research it appears that even the top of the line model doesn't come with a 12v accessory socket. It's an add on accessory item. I looked at Honda's install instructions ([url]http://powersports.honda.com/documentum/MW01/08U79-MKC-A00.pdf[/url]) that are 7 pages long!  :yikes:
The centerstand (an option on lower priced models) instructions seem strange as well (IMO)....  :o ???

I never purchased a Honda new so I'm not sure how the dealer's do it. It would be nice if they have the service department install accessories during the down times so that
when you negotiate the price, you are also negotiating accessory install prices. If they leave them as they come out of the crate and you have to pay full price for the accessories and installation
charges it appears you could easily get up to some astronomical figures.
Yeah, I'll be looking used for sure.

I'm a little nuts about accessory install, so one of the things I'm looking forward to, is the tear down for putting in fog lights, a 12v socket, etc. I even have found the place that sells service manuals already.....yeah....I guess I am getting my hopes up. LOL
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled. (Injury update last post}
Post by: tweeter55 on August 26, 2018, 02:51:08 pm
I'm a little nuts about accessory install, so one of the things I'm looking forward to, is the tear down for putting in fog lights, a 12v socket, etc. I even have found the place that sells service manuals already.....yeah....I guess I am getting my hopes up. LOL
Gotta love the power of positive thinking.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: jamiemac on August 31, 2018, 09:09:53 pm
Surgeon worked on the scrambled knee yesterday morning. I'm up and walking around the hose for short periods of time. Zero pain! Taking no pain meds at all today! I'm super stoked! I'm able to carefully climb the stairs to my bedroom. Thanks to everyone for all the support and kind words over the last few months. Lots of good folks on here.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: connie_rider on September 01, 2018, 07:16:58 am
Sounds like great news.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: Rubber_Snake on September 01, 2018, 08:19:07 am
I'm up and walking around the hose.

I don’t think it’s the knee that is the problem!   :o

Seriously, great news!  I hope everything continues to go well for you!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: jamiemac on September 01, 2018, 10:32:36 am
hahaha! Damn, that hose!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: jamiemac on September 04, 2018, 02:15:01 pm
The past few days are the first time since the accident I've been pretty much completely pain free. At least on the wreck related injuries. LOL. Stuff that hurt before still hurts. Haha. Here's a weird one. that I may have already mentioned. I usually got a pretty bad headache about two or 3 times a month before the wreck. Not one headache since the crash. Not one.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: maxtog on September 04, 2018, 03:35:26 pm
I usually got a pretty bad headache about two or 3 times a month before the wreck. Not one headache since the crash. Not one.

The wreck fixed your neck!  It is built-in, free chiropracty!
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: jamiemac on September 04, 2018, 03:57:27 pm
Definitely some weird stuff.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: fartymarty on September 04, 2018, 06:22:50 pm
Not one headache since the crash. Not one.

Walking around your hose is the answer, apparently before the accident you were stepping on it.  ::)
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: jamiemac on February 05, 2019, 02:20:13 pm
Made a serious inquiry with Niehaus Honda in Illinois on a new Goldwing Airbag model today. Looks like that's gonna happen.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.: Knee surgery update 30 August
Post by: Rubber_Snake on February 05, 2019, 03:42:21 pm
Made a serious inquiry with Niehaus Honda in Illinois on a new Goldwing Airbag model today. Looks like that's gonna happen.
I’m very happy for you, JMac.  Glad to see you getting back in the saddle, but even happier you are able to. 
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.(new bike update last post)
Post by: jamiemac on February 05, 2019, 03:49:34 pm
Thanks, Snake. Been too long. My two wheeled therapist is important stuff. LOL
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.(new bike update last post)
Post by: gPink on February 08, 2019, 03:45:51 pm
Does that mean you'll need the inflatable suit too?
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.(new bike update last post)
Post by: jamiemac on February 08, 2019, 04:59:52 pm
Haha! Physics, Guys.  LOL The statistics of the airbag Wing are pretty impressive. Last time I found the info, there had been 300 accidents since 08 with the right angles, and inertia to deploy the bag, with zero fatalities.
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.(new bike update last post)
Post by: gPink on February 08, 2019, 05:25:20 pm
 :thumbs:
https://youtu.be/rQr8YkzEEWQ
Title: Re: My Connie of 10 years totaled.(new bike update last post)
Post by: jamiemac on February 08, 2019, 11:33:05 pm
 :rotflmao:
:thumbs:
https://youtu.be/rQr8YkzEEWQ
Hahaha! pefect!