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Title: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on October 22, 2011, 12:37:12 pm
So has anyone seen the new 2012 VFR1200, I don't see anything listed on the Honda site but I came across this pic, are the 12's black? I didn't like the red color of the 11's...
 
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/ksadoqiw7ee83-1.jpg)
 
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: xjs36uk on October 22, 2011, 06:05:34 pm
Jeeezus that's one ugly looking bike !!!!  :o

So glad I'm not in the market for anything but Kwakas :P
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: xjs36uk on October 22, 2011, 06:07:53 pm
Sorry guys, just had to make this post as my last one was number 13..... don't want anything bad to happen now do we!!! (Like buying a VFR1200 :S
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on October 22, 2011, 06:22:31 pm
I've had some great Honda's and some even better Suzuki's, I like having multiple options in the garage to ride, I love my Connie but would never only buy Kawi...  :loco:
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: sherob on October 22, 2011, 10:02:31 pm
I've had some great Honda's and some even better Suzuki's, I like having multiple options in the garage to ride, I love my Connie but would never only buy Kawi...  :loco:

+1  I always thought I'd be a Honda guy... been riding them for years.  Thought I'd give Kawasaki a try... and I like what I have right now.  I wouldn't close off my choices to one brand.

I'm waiting to see more about the Cross Tourer in November at the EICMA show. :)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tonedeaf on October 22, 2011, 11:14:30 pm
I gotta take a picture of this thing with me on our next group ride. Maybe I can get the group to quit giving me so much grief about not having replaced the exhaust system yet!!! At least the C14 potato launcher is functionally ugly, that Mad Max retro looking hunk of misplaced metal the VFR took some aesthetic effort to give a remarkable ugliness.

Pity, I thought my 2001 VFR was one of the better looking modern-era bikes.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on October 22, 2011, 11:30:03 pm
I gotta take a picture of this thing with me on our next group ride. Maybe I can get the group to quit giving me so much grief about not having replaced the exhaust system yet!!! At least the C14 potato launcher is functionally ugly, that Mad Max retro looking hunk of misplaced metal the VFR took some aesthetic effort to give a remarkable ugliness.

Pity, I thought my 2001 VFR was one of the better looking modern-era bikes.

Akra makes a couple really sweet looking pipe's for the 12 IMO!  8)
 
Taking the oem exhaust off any bike is a given these days, I'm guessing omissions stuff is why they make them so ugly, I've had a couple dozen bikes and to be honest with you I can't think of one that I rocked the oem exhaust...
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Scaffolder on October 23, 2011, 07:00:21 am
I get the 2 bikes mixxed up a little (VFR1200 and the NT700) I thunk you can buy bigger bags (atleast the outter sides) over in the Euro markets. And one of these 2 bikes required removal of the exhaust to replace a rear tire. CRAZY!!! I saw it in "Doin' Time" from Motorcyclist Magazine probably a year ago. Good things to know before pulling the trigger on 1.
The black looks way better than the red. Blue would look good too.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Pokey on October 23, 2011, 11:33:29 am
The new to be Crosstourer has "seriously" got my attention, probably the only bike that would be able to sway me away from the C14's.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Son of Pappy on October 23, 2011, 11:50:51 am
That Crosstourer is a great looking bike, it will eventually replace my KLR, but never the 14.  Hopefully they have one at the next IMS, I'd stand in line for a test ride.  That VFR?  Looks like something designed by Michael Jordan 8)  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in this case I see a beauty queen missing 16 teeth ;)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on October 23, 2011, 11:53:09 am
in this case I see a beauty queen missing 16 teeth ;)

How could that be a bad thing??  ???   :-X   ;)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Son of Pappy on October 23, 2011, 12:02:42 pm

How could that be a bad thing??  ???   :-X   ;)
Have you priced mixed drinks in a bar lately?  Beauty is only a light switch away 8)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on October 23, 2011, 01:16:03 pm
Have you priced mixed drinks in a bar lately?  Beauty is only a light switch away 8)

 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Pokey on October 23, 2011, 02:46:01 pm
In the eyes of the beerholder!!!!
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: booger on October 23, 2011, 02:48:56 pm
Jeeezus that's one ugly looking bike !!!!  :o

So glad I'm not in the market for anything but Kwakas :P

Ugly in black.  But it sure looks great in red. ;)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on October 27, 2011, 01:21:46 pm
So has anyone seen the new 2012 VFR1200, I don't see anything listed on the Honda site but I came across this pic, are the 12's black? I didn't like the red color of the 11's...
 
([url]http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/ksadoqiw7ee83-1.jpg[/url])


Honda is selling them in Canada and Europe right now. I think the Canadian website has them on there but the European site only has the red, white and silver options. They will be available in the states when Honda unloads some of their '10 stock. They should actually be 2011's with the black option but, by the time they get here, Honda might call them a '12. Honda is always really tight lipped about these things so who knows.

Just what I am hearing off my VFR sites.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on October 27, 2011, 08:35:34 pm
Honda is selling them in Canada and Europe right now. I think the Canadian website has them on there but the European site only has the red, white and silver options. They will be available in the states when Honda unloads some of their '10 stock. They should actually be 2011's with the black option but, by the time they get here, Honda might call them a '12. Honda is always really tight lipped about these things so who knows.

Just what I am hearing off my VFR sites.

TT,
Thanks for jumping in bro, do you have the paddle shift or manual? What pipe are you running? How long have you had your 10 and what do you like or not like about it? I'm interested in picking one up as an additional horse in the stable, not as a replacement to my Connie or Gixxer, just something in the middle...
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on October 27, 2011, 11:18:52 pm
(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo15/9b/ce/d821b53e5edb__1317206293000.jpg)
(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo38/ad/2c/aca59d40772d__1319897086000.jpg)

Its the manual. Had it for a full season. TBR pipe, Juice Box, Zero Gravity Shield, Full on Sport tires, Honda Racing knee and tank protectors, rear faring, rear seat cowl and lower bars. oh... and chopped that rear licence plate bracket.

Things that I had to do to get it to run fastest: 1st&2nd gear de-restriction, Juice box and pipe. Ditched the honda spec oil now it shifts better. have 4k on the M3 tires and they still look brand stinkin new. Have it down to 550lbs or so.

now that these things have been changed, I can run really easily with my litre bike friends. The handling and brakes are simply amazing. The single side swingarm gets lots of comments from bike friends on how good it looks but it is way super smooth too. Taking the panels off is a cinch. Most maint is a cinch (havent done valve check yet). The bike feels really light and is no way whatsoever top heavy.  Fairly good wind protection. All around quality is heads and tails above any other manufacturer I have owned. The way the panels fit, paint finish, even the nuts, bolts and grommets. No awkward gaps around where the panels meet even after you have taken them off and on several times.

If my c14 is considered a super sport tourer then this bike is a super dooper super sport tourer. I would actually consider it a sport bike that you can do a lot more miles on. Since i have had it,. my connie has been collecting a lot of dust and might go on the chopping block soon since my wife finds the Viffer more comfortable for the passenger since she is working the bike with me in turns a little and is moving her butt around more than on the c14.

The V4 engine is amazing. Super light, and since the two rear cylinders are the two inside ones, it is super thin at the seat which is nice when you want to move your butt over and drop a knee. The seat and bike design begs you not to sit in one place on it as I do with the C14. I'm all over that seat in the twisties like a monkey and it feels like that is what the bike wants you to do. That OEM exhaust does not do that V4 justice as far as sound is concerned. When a straight through pipe is placed on it, it has this really distinct low rumble at low RPM. Then when you open it up it hits a more deep I4 sound.

Now the bad: stock config- the throttle by wire is jumpy. After the de-restrict, pipe and juice box all that was fixed. It also has the fuel range of a liter bike since the 4 gal tank. The OEM setup does not do it justice. Honda could have done better with that. Which is probably the reason some people are disappointed with initial test rides.

The other bad (or good): You are going to get a whole lot of questions everywhere you stop. Some people don't like the looks though I have never gotten any bad comments in person. I think it is one of those bikes that looks a lot better in person than on film. Its just not very photogenic in 2D (too many angles to look good on a flat photo). It is way more likely that I get questions from a guy on a ZX10R than a guy on a FJR or ST1300. I take it to my sport bike club rides and it is non stop questions where ZXs and Busas are a dime a dozen but this is way different. A lot of people in those circles like the fact that it still has a lot of the handling of a liter bike but just a little more comfort and carrying capacity when needed.

All in all I would not even line it up against my C14 as far as comparison. They are just 2 different of bikes and made for slightly different things. The only bike it stacks up exactly against is the K1300s. But for me it is the perfect compromise between full on litre bikes and sport tourers. For straight on speed it runs right with my buddy's 08 R1. In the twisties he still has me since I have 100lbs of bike on him but it still doesnt handle like a 700lb bike and really doesnt even feel like the 550lbs that it is (though it doesnt feel like 450lbs either  :-\). I can still do a long day on it but not as long as the C14 if there is a lot of straight highway miles. The C14 is just straight up better for highway droning.

edited due to the fact that I was tired last night after the game. (and maybe a little liquored). Go Cards! Rally Squirrel!
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: redbarber on October 28, 2011, 05:44:45 am
I think that behind the scenes, when the industry insiders get together, they have running contests.  Nothing ever released to the buying public, more like for bragging rights.  For the engineers and designers, there are at least two:  Ugliest exhaust, and least comfortable stock seat.  After all these years, they just keep getting worse, it can't be by accident. 
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on October 28, 2011, 07:01:50 am
I dont think a bike like this will ever be a big winner on a ST forum. It just seems like the C14/FJR/BMW riders are more interested in going the opposite direction with their bikes than the way this bike is going (i.e. higher bars, wider seat, lower pegs etc). I dont think that Honda ever meant to market it as a ST bike but alot of bike magazines look for something to compare it to. The best review I have seen had it up against the K1300s only and referred to both bikes as "Tweens". After riding it for a season, I believe that is the most accurate review.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2010-bmw-k1300s-vs-honda-vfr1200f-shootout-89414.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2010-bmw-k1300s-vs-honda-vfr1200f-shootout-89414.html)

I agree 100% on the exhaust. Honda tried to make the can smaller and failed by putting in this secondary exhaust valve that opens above 4k rpm. It sounds like garbage when closed and makes the bike unpredictable when riding around 4k. Kinda like some weird turbo but instead of adding extra power, it just gives you full power and restricts below 4k. That garbage got ripped off first thing.

I thought the seat would be uncomfortable but I find it the most comfortable sport bike seat that I have ever ridden on. I say sport bike seat because It allows you to ride it as you would a sport bike. You end up moving around alot on it during a given ride so my butt never gets tired. I find myself riding on it with one butt cheek more than 2. I end up with way more monkey butt on my C14 which has a real cushy seat stock (though I know a lot of people would disagree with that opinion). It makes me want to plant my butt in one spot and keep it there. Its just alot of work moving around on that cushy thing so I get lazy and end up chilling more. So compared to a Gixxer seat it is way comfy. Its all relative.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on October 28, 2011, 09:33:05 am
Thanks for all the info TT, I like how you did the silver plastic parts in black, you should powdercoat the wheels in black too, I be that would look pretty sick!  8)
 
Nice bike bro.  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on October 28, 2011, 09:41:23 am
Thanks for all the info TT, I like how you did the silver plastic parts in black, you should powdercoat the wheels in black too, I be that would look pretty sick!  8)
 
Nice bike bro.  :chugbeer:

thx,
Yea that is my winter project on the powdercoat. Have to do the rearsets, pass pegs and wheels. but the big kicker is gonna be powdercoating that swingarm. Gonna have to tear that whole bike apart to get it done. It will probably end up forcing me to order the black faring pieces in the end. Thats when the panels become available through honda in the states. I aint paying shipping from europe.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on November 04, 2011, 05:43:54 pm
So I went and rode a new leftover 2010 model today at my local dealer.  :)
 
What I can say is I LOVE the brakes, very nice IMO! The bike felt nice, great V4 power, especially the way it kicks in at mid range like a little turbo boost around 7k rpm. The narrowness of the bike was a good feel for a smaller guy like me, almost felt like a 750 sized bike after being on my Connie. Overall I liked the bike but I don't think I could do long distances on it like a Connie, there's not much in terms of protection or comfort, I could find ways to easily dump $10k into it but at that point you might as well buy a Connie, it could be a fun replacement for a liter sport bike and just use it for day trips and weekend fun. Oh, and by the way that stock pipe is absolutley hideous, what the hey was Honda thinking?  :o
 
I'm glad they let me ride it though, made for a fun lunch time!  8) 
I just wish it had heated grips, temps were mid 40's and my hands got pretty cold quick.  :(
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: CADMAN97 on November 04, 2011, 09:07:37 pm
I actually bought a 2010 VFR in June, but actually didn't care for it as much as my 2003 VFR. Actually wish I had kept my 2003. Don't get me wrong the 1200 engine just flat out pulls, but just had too many vibrations for me. Also had a power commander and 2 bros pipe, and sounded pretty good, but the range absolutely sucked! Gas light came on around 135miles. Like someone else stated, the brakes were stellar, and the handling was a great, but absolutely hated the 1st & 2nd gear restrictions. Was down right dangerous. And why does the exhaust need a damn valve to restrict exhaust flow, only to open up at 5000rpm....unnecessary! Yes there is a fix to the 1st & 2nd gear restrictions, and yes you can take out that exhaust cable, or swap out exhaust all together for an aftermarket one, but for me, along with the puny tank size, this is unacceptable, especially from a company like Honda. I'll take my old 800 over the 1200 any day. Needless to say, I don't own the 1200 anymore...just Connie  ;D

The new 2012 ZX-14R has got my attention now.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on November 05, 2011, 03:18:10 am
The fuel range would definitely be a problem for me too if I was going long distance. Not a huge issue for me but I could see how it could be a problem for someone.

The 1st 2nd restriction is definitely a fail by Honda. The best guess I have of why Honda did it is that it is some form of cheap a$$ traction control. I don't see why motorcycle companies make the fast bikes then try to dumb them down to save us from ourselves. The derestriction is a workaround and yes it does spin that rear up pretty good off a start derestricted but I wish Honda would have left it as my problem to deal with in regards to the tire spin and not theirs.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: AZBiker on November 06, 2011, 01:14:48 am
Is the device on the VFR like the timing retard on the Suzuki SV1k & Busa?
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: CADMAN97 on November 06, 2011, 08:20:37 am
Is the device on the VFR like the timing retard on the Suzuki SV1k & Busa?
I don't believe so.

My understanding was that the VFR1200 had a different fueling map for 1st & 2nd gear. The fix was to wire 1st & 2nd to 3rd (or any of the higher gears) at the gear position sensor wire harness. Only problem was you will get false readings for 1st & 2nd gear on the dash. It seemed like a pretty straight forward fix, but I never did it on mine. Those who did it on the VFR forum swear by it tho.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on November 06, 2011, 08:21:35 am
Is the device on the VFR like the timing retard on the Suzuki SV1k & Busa?

I think it has something to do with the mixture. It has 2 separate ECU settings that are completely independent of each other. 1&2 and 3-6. 3-6 can be adjusted with a power commander but it does nothing to affect 1&2. Since the bike has an auto version too, the gear selector dictates the fuel air mix. Basically the derestriction is tricking the bike to think that it is running in any 3-6 gear and completely bypassing the 1&2 mapping altogether.

The reason I think that it has something to do with leaning out the bike is due to how pingy the bike is in 1st and 2nd without the derestrict.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on November 06, 2011, 08:24:41 am
I don't believe so.

My understanding was that the VFR1200 had a different fueling map for 1st & 2nd gear. The fix was to wire 1st & 2nd to 3rd (or any of the higher gears) at the gear position sensor wire harness. Only problem was you will get false readings for 1st & 2nd gear on the dash. It seemed like a pretty straight forward fix, but I never did it on mine. Those who did it on the VFR forum swear by it tho.

Exactly right. And yes it makes it into a whole different bike at low speeds and off the line. It just sucks that you have to make the bike into the bike it should have been from the factory.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on November 08, 2011, 10:58:40 pm
Ok so honda just came out with the new 2012 on their site. They got rid of the 1st/2nd restriction and gave it true traction control. They also added a trip computer, more fuel capacity and made the seat softer.

 But damn.... I dont know who picked the color. I guess Honda had some extra blue paint lying around...
It doesnt look super bad but what is their deal against having a black bike in the states. Hell. I'd even take the silver or white they have in europe.
(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo38/94/00/d6e5d8dc607e__1320818080000.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on November 08, 2011, 11:13:47 pm
Hmmm... that pic looks almost cartoon like, wonder how it looks live?
 
Too bad they left the exhaust the same...  :battle:
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on November 09, 2011, 12:00:58 am
Hmmm... that pic looks almost cartoon like, wonder how it looks live?
 
Too bad they left the exhaust the same...  :battle:

Don't pretend that you wouldn't have the stock exhaust stripped off at the dealer before you rode home.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: tin-tin on November 09, 2011, 12:13:59 am
Supposedly, they have 2 other colors coming out for the dct version though I havent seen them up on honda usa website yet.
(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo23/75/25/8d25d4a79a6b__1320822643000.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on November 09, 2011, 10:09:57 am
Don't pretend that you wouldn't have the stock exhaust stripped off at the dealer before you rode home.

To true Jeremy, too true indeed...  8)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on November 09, 2011, 10:12:24 am
Supposedly, they have 2 other colors coming out for the dct version though I havent seen them up on honda usa website yet.
(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo23/75/25/8d25d4a79a6b__1320822643000.jpg)

I like the black but that martini olive green looks pretty cool too, even better if the wheels were powdercoated black...  8)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: CADMAN97 on November 09, 2011, 10:28:55 am
U mean to tell me honda increased the fuel capacity from 4.9 to 5gal?? Wow, good job Honda, that ought to get ya another mile or two! I don't understand manufacturers thinking when they have these tiny ass gas tanks?? I think the concours should have a larger tank than 5.8 gal, but it's not bad. The one thing I do like about Hondas ST1300, is its 7.7 gal tank, good for around 300 miles.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Scaffolder on January 07, 2012, 11:17:36 am
2010 new priced at $11,500 in New Hampshire ++ out the door is still under $12,000. Looked pretty cheap.

Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: MrPepsi on January 07, 2012, 12:15:36 pm
U mean to tell me honda increased the fuel capacity from 4.9 to 5gal?? Wow, good job Honda, that ought to get ya another mile or two! I don't understand manufacturers thinking when they have these tiny ass gas tanks?? I think the concours should have a larger tank than 5.8 gal, but it's not bad. The one thing I do like about Hondas ST1300, is its 7.7 gal tank, good for around 300 miles.

LOL
5 gals is tiny ass but 5.8 is not bad.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on January 08, 2012, 07:06:17 pm
2010 new priced at $11,500 in New Hampshire ++ out the door is still under $12,000. Looked pretty cheap.

The one local to me with only 30 miles on it (put on it by me...  ;D ) I can get for $10.5 OTD, it's very tempting...  :-\
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on January 09, 2012, 06:06:25 am

The one local to me with only 30 miles on it (put on it by me...  ;D ) I can get for $10.5 OTD, it's very tempting...  :-\

Just think of how much farkle transition it would take.  That would keep you busy for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on January 09, 2012, 08:25:31 am
Just think of how much farkle transition it would take.  That would keep you busy for a couple weeks.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Z71 on January 28, 2012, 08:38:53 pm
I found a new 2010 in Tennessee (Abernathy Cycle, Union City) that was priced at $ 9,540 and no additional fees.  I verified this talking to a salesman over the phone.  The lowest price I could find, but it was 700 miles away. Either way it would have cost me at least $ 500 to get it.   They only had one left, and it is sold now.

The best price in my area is $ 10,850 right now without any other fees (except tax, tag and title).
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: ZG on January 28, 2012, 09:05:02 pm
I found a new 2010 in Tennessee (Abernathy Cycle, Union City) that was priced at $ 9,540 and no additional fees.  I verified this talking to a salesman over the phone.  The lowest price I could find, but it was 700 miles away. Either way it would have cost me at least $ 500 to get it.   They only had one left, and it is sold now.

The best price in my area is $ 10,850 right now without any other fees (except tax, tag and title).

Nice price for sure bro! I demoed one and really liked it, not $17k liked it, but definately $10k liked it!!  :)
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: rcannon409 on January 29, 2012, 06:29:19 am
My local Honda shop still has "THE" VFR1200. I say "THE" since its the same oen that hit the floor in early 2010.  You can see wear marks on the tank from people sitting on it. Price started at 17,500 and keeps falling.  I like the bike and have no idea why it wont sell.  Maybe it looks too much like their cbr 250?
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Z71 on January 29, 2012, 05:09:39 pm
I remember when the first 2010s got on showroom floors and most dealers would not budge from the MSRP price.  Heck, just two short months ago, a local dealer  in Daytona Beach tired to sell me a 2010 demo bike for $ 14,500, insisting what a great deal this was.
Title: Re: 2012 VFR1200?
Post by: Boomer on February 28, 2012, 05:19:07 am
Why isn't it selling?
The seat is very uncomfortable.
It's ugly, looks like someone took a blowtorch to it.
The gas tank is small, even for a sportsbike.
It's biased too far towards the sport side of the equation so most people who would consider it will buy a CBR1000RR instead.

I know of 2 people who bought one because they were Honda lovers and VFR lovers.
One previously had a VFR800 and the other had two VFR800s (one v-tec, one not).
Both now want rid of their 1200s.
The first is looking at the C14 (he rode mine and commented that it felt like a VFR800 on steroids) and the other is just going back to his 800s.
All my friends who have Blackbirds (CBR1100XX) say they'd rather die than trade down to the VFR1200.

Over here you can buy a used 2010 VFR1200 with sidebags (colour matched) and 5300 miles for 6500UKP ($10,300).
Exactly the same money buys you a 2008 C14 (1400GTR) with 30,000 miles on it.

New the 2012 GTR is 13,300UKP ($21,100) and the 2012 VFR is 12,300UKP ($19,500) without the sidebags.
Yet the GTR is outselling the VFR about 3:1 in the UK which is a seriously sportsbike biased market.

Honda really dropped the ball on this one.