Author Topic: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.  (Read 41317 times)

Offline MGvaleri

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Re: How many was that?? Rear axle shaft seizing?
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2012, 10:12:38 pm »
One thing that I think is very certain is that a catastrophic failure has taken place in the rear wheel's hub and the damage is now probably spread beyond the hub itself. For example, with the wheel bumping off axis like that when the brake is applied, it is possible and maybe even likely that the rear rotor is now bent.

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Re: How many was that?? Rear axle shaft seizing?
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2012, 11:53:01 pm »
Clearly looks like a bearing failure.  Once they start to go, they can go quick.  I lost a front wheel bearing on my C10, and in just 30 miles, it almost competely ate the ball bearings.  Since then, I pull the seals on all new bearings and repack them with synthetic grease before installation.

If it were me, I would be replacing the right swing arm too.  It's probably just the paint burnt off, but given how warm it got, I'm not sure I would trust it.

Unfortunately for MGvaleri, Kawi doesn't even cover bearing failures under warranty.  Given his bike is out of warranty, he's probably stuck with the bill.

So how many miles (kilometers) were on these bearings?
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Re: How many was that?? Rear axle shaft seizing?
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2012, 12:04:45 am »

 C1xRider : So how many miles (kilometers) were on these bearings?

KM 47.000

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Re: How many was that?? Rear axle shaft seizing?
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2012, 03:24:48 am »
C1xRider : So how many miles (kilometers) were on these bearings?

KM 47.000

MGvalerio.

Wow, that is low miles/kilometers! I hope you get it fixed and are back riding quickly.

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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2012, 07:04:56 am »
- my local shop recommends rear bearing replacements at 25K kms

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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2012, 09:47:40 am »
Any chance of pictures of the axle and hub removed from the bike?  I'd also be interested in the inside of the swingarm.  Just trying to get a better understanding of what happened.
MGvaleri, when was the last time you had the rear tire off the bike?

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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2012, 10:56:55 am »
I blame the centerstand.   ;D

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Re: How many was that?? Rear axle shaft seizing?
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2012, 11:10:58 am »
C1xRider : So how many miles (kilometers) were on these bearings?

KM 47.000

MGvalerio.

Wow, that's only 29,200 miles!  Has the rear wheel taken any hard hits, like from really bad roads, or from a prior accident?  As I recall, you don't presure wash your bike.  I've had damage to trailer hubs and bearings from hitting bumps (more like holes in the road), but would not expect it on a bike.

Perhaps that bearing didn't get enough grease when it was made.  They don't put much in them to start with (actually scary how little they have).  I believe it's pre-planned obsolescence.
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Re: How many was that?? Rear axle shaft seizing?
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2012, 11:32:21 am »
Wow, that's only 29,200 miles!  Has the rear wheel taken any hard hits, like from really bad roads, or from a prior accident?  As I recall, you don't presure wash your bike.  I've had damage to trailer hubs and bearings from hitting bumps (more like holes in the road), but would not expect it on a bike.

Perhaps that bearing didn't get enough grease when it was made.  They don't put much in them to start with (actually scary how little they have).  I believe it's pre-planned obsolescence.

MG has had his bike hit twice while parked. I don't know the details though.
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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2012, 11:35:35 am »
I blame the centerstand.   ;D
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Did you notice the spacer needed under the stand so the wheel would spin?

Sorry MG, I had to laugh at that.

So what would happen if a brake piston on one side locked and the the rear brake was only applying pressure
from the other side (from the video the inboard side), causing excessive bearing pressure/failure, disc deflection, heat and swing arm flex.
Too far fetched? Yeah I guess so, disc would have warped or carriers broke before bearing failure, right?

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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2012, 12:25:01 pm »
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Perhaps that bearing didn't get enough grease when it was made.  They don't put much in them to start with (actually scary how little they have).  I believe it's pre-planned obsolescence.

Very possible, but more grease isn't always better.  If you put too much in, it just squeezes out past the seals right away.

I'm thinking I better put new bearings and seals on the wheels next time I get new tires.  My spacers don't pass the test proposed by BDF any longer.  I've got 45k miles on these bearings/seals and have ridden in the rain plenty of times.  No pressure washing though.  Ever.   :yikes:

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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2012, 01:01:56 pm »
You should check for your year bike but I have the following for the 08/09 bikes:

Front seals (2) 92049-0050
Rear seal (1) 92049-1061

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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2012, 01:07:04 pm »
La mia C14 ha avuto una manutenzione fuori da ogni vostra immaginazione: Chi di voi a fatto manutenzione al Cardano ..io si,per dirne una,chi vi ha avvisato della ruggine sotto serbatoio,ragazzi forse non riuscite a comprendere il tutto,chi vi a detto che senza transponder vi rubo la moto in 2 minuti, senza fare danni alla vostra amata,ho sempre percorso brevissimi  tragitti ,la mia C14 ha il suo garage riscaldato, i 2 sinistri avuti sono sciocchezze,mi spiace dirlo ma Kawasaki a montato cuscinetti
come i dischi freno,mai viaggiato quando piove,mai preso buche,lavaggi moto fatti con esperienza,dopo il lavaggio aria compressa a GOGO.
Se la mia C 14 fosse stata adoperata per come è nata a 5.000 km ciò successo oggi sarebbe successo dopo 2 mesi di vita.
Qualcuno vorrebbe vedere lasse della ruota,non posso fare niente perché sto aspettando ispettore Kawasaki,già ne sono in contatto.
Fratelli Occhio con questi CUSCINETTI.

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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2012, 05:31:43 pm »
La mia C14 ha avuto una manutenzione fuori da ogni vostra immaginazione: Chi di voi a fatto manutenzione al Cardano ..io si,per dirne una,chi vi ha avvisato della ruggine sotto serbatoio,ragazzi forse non riuscite a comprendere il tutto,chi vi a detto che senza transponder vi rubo la moto in 2 minuti, senza fare danni alla vostra amata,ho sempre percorso brevissimi  tragitti ,la mia C14 ha il suo garage riscaldato, i 2 sinistri avuti sono sciocchezze,mi spiace dirlo ma Kawasaki a montato cuscinetti
come i dischi freno,mai viaggiato quando piove,mai preso buche,lavaggi moto fatti con esperienza,dopo il lavaggio aria compressa a GOGO.
Se la mia C 14 fosse stata adoperata per come è nata a 5.000 km ciò successo oggi sarebbe successo dopo 2 mesi di vita.
Qualcuno vorrebbe vedere lasse della ruota,non posso fare niente perché sto aspettando ispettore Kawasaki,già ne sono in contatto.
Fratelli Occhio con questi CUSCINETTI.

MGvalerio. 8)

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Per Google Translate :

My C14 had a maintenance out of all your imagination: Those of you who did maintenance at the Cardano you .. I, for one, who hath warned of rust in the tank, you guys maybe you can not understand the whole, those who said that without a transponder will steal the bike in 2 minutes, without doing damage to your beloved, I always run short distances, my C14 has its own heated garage, i had 2 claims are nonsense, sorry to say but Kawasaki mounted bearings as the brake discs ever traveled when it rains, never got holes, washing bikes made ​​with experience, after washing compressed air GOGO.
If my C 14 had been used as it is born in 5000 km what happened today was going to happen after 2 months of life.
Some would like to see the wheel loose, I can not do anything because I'm waiting inspector Kawasaki, already are in contact.
Brothers eye with these BEARINGS.


I mostly understand it, I think, except the first couple sentences...
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Re: How many was that?? Rear wheel bearing failure.
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2012, 05:39:38 pm »
Very possible, but more grease isn't always better.  If you put too much in, it just squeezes out past the seals right away.

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Totally agree, but when you look at the minuscule amount some of the bearing manufacturers put in there, you would be shocked.  You also have to allow for expansion of the grease you put in due to temperature increase when in use.

I don't overdo it, just make sure it has an adequate reserve amount.  I have over 25K on my C10 front wheel bearings, and the wheel still rotates smooth, quiet, and freely (with the callipers removed).  The rule of thumb I heard for that bike was to replace the wheel bearings every time you replaced the front tire.  I've only replaced them once, front tire several times.
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