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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2012, 08:21:24 am »
Bart sure seems to be just like old Bart... who seems to post same positions as old Bart.... hmmmmmm.
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2012, 08:35:29 am »
Bart sure seems to be just like old Bart... who seems to post same positions as old Bart.... hmmmmmm.

Do you perhaps mean Bert? Nope Bert and Bart are two completely different indivuals.... Lets not yet lambaste Bart...
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2012, 08:36:07 am »
My bad... not enough coffee.  ;D

My apologies Bart.  ;)
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2012, 08:37:01 am »
You mean 'Bert'? Nah, Bart is nowhere near the level of vitriol and hate as 'Bert'.
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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2012, 08:43:53 am »
Stop feeding the troll.
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2012, 08:59:29 am »
Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. The answer is more guns (but only for "good" guys)!

Bad things happen in all 1st world countries, but why is it only in the USA that mass shootings happen so often that they are not rare? Has American society gone bad? Or could it be that of all the first world countries only the USA has so many guns?

First your assuming that banning guns will remove guns from our society. How's that working out for meth? How's that working out in Mexico?

Second, in the 20th century, 100,000,000+ were murdered by psycho nut jobs and the United States was relatively untouched. By that standard, America has an amazingly non violent society.

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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2012, 09:00:16 am »
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2012, 09:11:38 am »
You mean 'Bert'? Nah, Bart is nowhere near the level of vitriol and hate as 'Bert'.

With only 4 post total I should hope not......   :o
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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2012, 09:14:55 am »
... Prohibition worked wonders keeping liquor out of the hands of law abiding citizens, didn't it?  Sure did!  It also created two whole new industries... bootlegging and organized crime!

So who had access to outlawed liquor?  Criminals.  It created the Capone's... and crime went thru the roof...

Police funding: INCREASED $11.4 Million
Arrests for Prohibition Violations: INCREASED 102+%
Arrests for Drunkenness and Disorderly Conduct: INCREASED 41%
Arrests of Drunken Drivers: INCREASED 81%
Thefts and Burglaries: INCREASED 9%
Homicides, Assault, and Battery: INCREASED 13%
Number of Federal Convicts: INCREASED 561%
Federal Prison Population: INCREASED 366%
Total Federal Expenditures on Penal Institutions: INCREASED 1,000%   


That was just booze... now do the same with a gun ban, or restrictions.  Some of those numbers above will pale in comparison when only the criminal element has them...
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2012, 09:16:18 am »
Twowheeladdict - I wanted to thank you for your comments on this thread. First, I thought it was very enlightening that you posted about video games affecting you personally, and that you had to get ahold of it. A picture into a tiny bit of what we may be dealing with. Really, thanks for that level of honesty, I learned from it. I also think your point about folks having free time to while away the hours in a video game (Or the internet, like I'm doing now) can lead folks to make some really bad choices.

 All - To carry it on step further, we all have heard about people seeking love, or becoming addicted to porn via the internet. go back 30 years - this NEVER happened. Society didn't have that problem. Why? HMMM, no internet maybe? Using this analogy, can we see how gun violence can be fostered by exposing the wrong person to violent video games or movie violence? It wasn't around when we were kids. and kids today don't go out and play like we did. Many spend hours a day interacting with video games rather than other people. It's not hard to see how the video games can become reality for a person who prefers that interaction instead of interpersonal relationships.

  Here's something else to consider - autism is on a rapid rise. I don't know alot about it, other than it's much more prevalent.  If so, why the sudden increase? Could there be food additives causing it? Could this be a root cause for why "times have changed" could that be a response to Barts question about why the USA is different from other countries (if indeed we are?).

Bart - I'm not opposed if you have a different position than mine. I believe that the answer to this problem will be a compromise, which means everyone is unhappy. I see the assault weapons ban being enacted; I see magazine capacity restrictions; I hope to see armed school staff; and hopefully we'll have more forceful laws to deal with mentally ill folks. And after all that, some loon, somewhere, is going to do something horrendous that violates all kinds of laws and shocks the sensibilities of rational people. Steve

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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2012, 09:27:37 am »
Autism by country... we run ~ .20% here.  This was 2004 stats.

 http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/a/autism/stats-country.htm

... interesting read about it... more details...

http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/2011/researchers-track-down-autism-rates-across-the-globe
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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2012, 09:45:18 am »
Follow the money, Autism gets a lot of money these days in research and publicity. It was the same in the medical community a few years back with "Brain Attack", or what we'd call a "stroke". Now, the new buzz ailment is concussions, a lot of talk and money and publicity is going into this and you'll be hearing a lot of it in the next year or so. I'll not doubt Autism is out there, but I see what I'd call over diagnosing and mis-diagnosing what I merely call poor parenting, again, this is only based on what I see as a medical person. Anecdotal evidence is out there I'm sure as is scientific evidence, after all the movie stars go on to other things to testify about, Autism seems to be diagnosed less and less. Remember Ritalin?
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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2012, 11:21:51 am »
I noticed that several of you assumed I want to ban guns. I never said that. I just want to know why America is so much more violent (at least in terms of mass killing, gun crimes and murder) than the rest of the 1st world.

By the way, the 1st world does not include China or Russia it is US, Canada, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand. If you do the research, you'll see the America has about 4x the murder rate the rest of the 1st world. America also has an incarceration rate more than 4x the rest of the 1st world. Mass murders happen elsewhere, but not with anywhere close to the frequency of America.

What is the solution? I'm not smart enough to know but something is wrong with us. Looking at the rest of the 1st world, I doubt that more guns and more jail is the solution.

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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2012, 11:24:25 am »
Bart - you're probably right- we really don't need any more guns. We just need the ones we have more strategically placed. Steve

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Re: NRA press Conference
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2012, 11:33:36 am »
Why the separation of worlds?  Is a life worth more here?