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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2019, 05:45:06 am »
Yes very odd behaviour.   ;D

I learned my lesson the first time I had the sensors replaced.  How can you "prove" something is broken to a dealer (and thus, Kawasaki, who has to pay) when it is intermittent?  Because I guarantee if I took the bike in, they would ride it around the block and it would "work fine for them".  And I know you all know what I mean, because odds are, it has happened to you with something.  The first time it was low batteries.  After months of intermittent errors that became almost full-time, they tested it on the warmest day while it was sitting in the sun and, sure enough, no low battery signal.  They waited overnight and tested it the next morning and saw the error.  But with something like this, who knows.

Although, right now, my tires won't pass inspection (which I never both with, anyway) they still have thousands of miles of life left.  I will arrange it such that I will get this fixed with free mounting/balancing (of at least the front tire).  I might not wait as long this time, though.  Depends on how intermittent the problem is.  I can tolerate this a LOT more, since there are no annoying warnings (and, most of the time, I can still eventually get a reading on the pressure, and it is only half the tires).  But the longer the wait, the better the chance if the rear is going to fail and I can get that covered, too.  My 9 years of warranty permanently end on 04/06/2020; I wish it could be extended, again.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2019, 06:55:28 am »
Yep, front continues to be intermittent.  Left home and it worked, couple of miles later, nothing.  Then several miles later, it was back and stayed back.  Left destination and it didn't work, couple of miles later it was working, then halfway home it cut out and stayed off.  Each time this happens where it ends up dead at my destination, I take a photo of it with ODO before shutting off the bike.  Very odd.
My front did exactly that when it got about 7 years old.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2019, 07:00:04 am »
:rotflmao:  Good for you jimmy.  I like em but we don't need em.   :chugbeer:

Following on from maxtog, the issue I have with them is that the Low Battery warning will flash even when the battery is still slightly above 3v, which is lower that a new battery for sure but not below 3v.   :banghead:  The threshold should be something lower than 3v.
The real problem is that lithium ion batteries take a few seconds to come up to full voltage if they have been idle for a while. Kawasaki should have programmed a delay in the warning to compensate.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2019, 07:15:40 am »
The real problem is that lithium ion batteries take a few seconds to come up to full voltage if they have been idle for a while. Kawasaki should have programmed a delay in the warning to compensate.

Agreed, that would have been helpful, too.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2019, 07:17:18 am »
My front did exactly that when it got about 7 years old.

Yeah, but these are the "newly redesigned" sensors :(   I guess some things never change.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2019, 09:31:01 am »
I learned my lesson the first time I had the sensors replaced.  How can you "prove" something is broken to a dealer (and thus, Kawasaki, who has to pay) when it is intermittent?  Because I guarantee if I took the bike in, they would ride it around the block and it would "work fine for them".  And I know you all know what I mean, because odds are, it has happened to you with something.  The first time it was low batteries.  After months of intermittent errors that became almost full-time, they tested it on the warmest day while it was sitting in the sun and, sure enough, no low battery signal.  They waited overnight and tested it the next morning and saw the error.  But with something like this, who knows.


When I wanted mine replaced under warranty, I took a picture if the low battery warning the morning I took the bike in to the dealer. It went away after riding some, so I wanted it documented. They accepted the picture, as proof the battery was failing and replaced it.

My last extended warranty ran out in June. I struggled with whether or not to get the TPMS replaced again, but decided to let it die.

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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2019, 04:25:01 pm »
Had to replace the rear sensor on my Indian.  It would start out ok and then I would stop.  It wouldn't register for a long time after the stop.  Got the two dashes and a warning light on the dash.  Thank goodness Indian did not copy Kwackers on the taking over the screen routine.  Took it in and they could see in the logs that it had failed intermittently and so replaced it.  Cost me $50.  I have the extended warranty.  No hassle from the dealer or Indian in getting it replaced.  Would not have a bike without tire pressure sensors.  Saved me several times with issues with punctures.  You can check your pressures pre-ride all day long but it won't help you if you get a puncture bad enough to leak it down during a ride.  For those of you that poo poo sensors, do you check your tires every day before riding?  I hope  you do.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2019, 05:07:36 pm »
Cost me $50.  I have the extended warranty.

Why would it cost you anything, if it was covered under warranty?
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2019, 05:19:59 pm »
Extended warranty come with a $50 fee for every claim in some policies.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2019, 04:36:41 am »
Correctomundo.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2019, 02:24:17 pm »
TPS still intermittent.  What is interesting is that it will sometimes show a pressure at the start of a ride, then disappear and stay gone the whole trip, then suddenly appear again right when I reach my destination.  Has to be something with the inertial sensor.

A week ago I called and talked to the dealer service manager about the TPS.  I Emailed him several photos of the dash, showing the odo, the "---" for the front pressure and the rear pressure showing normally.  He made a claim to Kawasaki, no prob.  Part arrived a few days ago and I took it in today, along with two new tires.  Warranty pays to mount/balance the front (since they have to do that regardless to replace the sensor).  So I only had to pay for rear ($74 total).

Left the dealer and had pressures showing immediately and the whole way home.  Hopefully that will continue!  I am really bummed that my 9 years of warranty are ending in a few months.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 11:19:46 am »
TPS still intermittent.  What is interesting is that it will sometimes show a pressure at the start of a ride, then disappear and stay gone the whole trip, then suddenly appear again right when I reach my destination.  Has to be something with the inertial sensor.

A week ago I called and talked to the dealer service manager about the TPS.  I Emailed him several photos of the dash, showing the odo, the "---" for the front pressure and the rear pressure showing normally.  He made a claim to Kawasaki, no prob.  Part arrived a few days ago and I took it in today, along with two new tires.  Warranty pays to mount/balance the front (since they have to do that regardless to replace the sensor).  So I only had to pay for rear ($74 total).

Left the dealer and had pressures showing immediately and the whole way home.  Hopefully that will continue!  I am really bummed that my 9 years of warranty are ending in a few months.

Do you have LED lights installed?  Someone else reported their LED lights interfered with the signal from the sensors. I read about it in an unnamed forum.  ;)

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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 04:02:21 pm »
Do you have LED lights installed?  Someone else reported their LED lights interfered with the signal from the sensors. I read about it in an unnamed forum.  ;)

Interesting.  Yes, I replaced the HID lights with LED.  But I did that way back in 03-2017 (2.5 years ago).  Presumably, if it were going to interfere, it would have done so long before it started, and would do so again after the sensor was replaced.  I only have about 50 miles so far, so I can't be 100% sure the problem is completely resolved (it is raining all day today, so all I had was a short trip yesterday).  But I noticed I was getting a reading from the front across all 3 starts, something I have not seen in a long time.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #43 on: Today at 06:52:09 am »
I too have had this intermitten problem the last couple of year and it very well could have started about the time I installed the LED headlights. Never really thought about that before.