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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #120 on: March 25, 2018, 11:43:10 am »
Linked brakes came [automatically/mandatorily] with the gen2 (2010+) ABS system.  I do know that.


Agreed. I'm 99.9% sure that Linked brakes; Traction control, and ABS was the trifecta package deal option in '10, and mandatory from '11 on, at least in the U.S.

Now I'm starting to wonder about the switch gear on the left bar. It should have the meter change button that was formerly for the flash to pass, but no abs or trac buttons yet still have the newer flash to pass Incorporated in the Hi/lo beam switch. That might be another unique part.


It would appear to be so, from recent fiche research, the switch assembly seems to have blanks where the ABS and TC buttons are and it only shows usage (@ Ron Ayers) on the '10 DAF model (non-ABS) assembly part #46091-0203.

Well, we sure filled in a few pages while waiting for this lawsuit case to pan out eh? Quite the wordy bunch we are.
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Just to keep the talk going, what was with the reduced power models that were available in Europe? Anybody know anything about those? I mean who or why would anyone buy one of those?
Were they just for safety testing purposes government only models and not available to the public or what?

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #121 on: March 25, 2018, 06:41:52 pm »
Just to keep the talk going, what was with the reduced power models that were available in Europe? Anybody know anything about those? I mean who or why would anyone buy one of those?
Were they just for safety testing purposes government only models and not available to the public or what?
I don't recall the exact specifics...  But I believe many European countries had power-to-weight restrictions for "newly" licensed riders.  Basically if you had your motorcycle endorsement/license for less than X number of years, you were limited in how powerful a motorcycle you could operate.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #122 on: March 26, 2018, 12:14:39 am »
I don't recall the exact specifics...  But I believe many European countries had power-to-weight restrictions for "newly" licensed riders.  Basically if you had your motorcycle endorsement/license for less than X number of years, you were limited in how powerful a motorcycle you could operate.

Blame the French for the Reduced Power models as they have some stupid law that puts a 100bhp limit on motorcycles (although that may be changing)


That said you are correct in that there is an EU power to weight limit for newly fully licensed riders under 24/21(depending on test path) but you couldn't restrict a GTR due to it's starting power being more than 94BHP ;)



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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #123 on: March 27, 2018, 03:14:15 pm »
Yes, but the '10 non ABS doesn't have Traction control nor linked brakes, and it has part number 43095-0501 (front brakes) that to the best of my knowledge no other model of C14 and perhaps no other Kawasaki bike uses. This is all based online part fiche research (rainy days) so it's accuracy is based on that. There may be a different meter for that model as well that no other bike uses. Now I'm starting to wonder about the switch gear on the left bar. It should have the meter change button that was formerly for the flash to pass, but no abs or trac buttons yet still have the newer flash to pass Incorporated in the Hi/lo beam switch. That might be another unique part. I can see why mama Kaw quit doing that in '11.

Jimmymac, does your meter/dash have the ABS and Traction control lights (non functioning) on the tach?
I'll have to get back to you on that one. It seems the windows are there, with no lamps, but I'll make sure.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #124 on: March 27, 2018, 03:21:08 pm »
Nothing on my cluster shows any of that. 2 turn signal lamps, oil lamp, High beam lamp and the red warning lamp. Oh yeah, neutral indicator.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #125 on: March 27, 2018, 03:55:02 pm »
Thanks Jimmy'.

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #126 on: July 03, 2018, 11:42:59 am »
I just checked and it appears that this case was settled on June 15th, and I'll bet it was made confidential in the settlement.
 However I'll see if I can PM the OP and see if he can give us details.
If he does come back,  I'll expect you folks to...



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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #127 on: July 03, 2018, 11:47:52 am »
Will be interesting to see what became of it.

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #128 on: July 03, 2018, 01:27:04 pm »
I think it was amazing that 9 pages of dialog took place, and the O/P only has one post to his name, the original post.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #129 on: July 03, 2018, 01:57:26 pm »
I think it was amazing that 9 pages of dialog took place, and the O/P only has one post to his name, the original post.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Prob cuz he provided enough detail and content to seem at least somewhat plausible.

But then subsequently he got 8+ pages of a scorchin'!

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #130 on: July 03, 2018, 03:04:57 pm »
 And now it appears to be gone.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #131 on: July 03, 2018, 03:47:02 pm »
And now it appears to be gone.

Unfortunately, that can (and probably will with context) lead most readers to believe that the original posit of a selfish objective has been met.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #132 on: July 03, 2018, 05:13:11 pm »
New forum guideline?  First reply has to quote the op for thread posterity?   :rotflmao:
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #133 on: July 03, 2018, 05:23:56 pm »
They'll settle with a confidentiality agreement.

The OP answered my PM.

OK, I was wrong, it's called a non disclosure agreement, but yes it was settled and, no he can't talk about it.

I am kind of surprised how he was treated here though, just because he didn't like the brakes and got a lawyer he was called a troll and other stuff.
Over the years I've heard so many complaints about this bike, " the seat sucks, the bars hurt my shoulders (I still don't understand that one, but whatever), it's buzzy, it's jerky, it's got no cruise control, it doesn't have a key that works like the key on all my old bikes did, the brakes aren't linked right," etc. etc. etc. and yet this guy is the one that gets all the flack?

I like my C14, a lot (no it isn't love), but if someone else doesn't and instead of just complaining about it on forums, decides to go get a lawyer and take on a giant large
corporation..then my hat is off to them. 

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #134 on: July 03, 2018, 07:10:36 pm »
The OP answered my PM.  OK, I was wrong, it's called a non disclosure agreement, but yes it was settled and, no he can't talk about it.

Well, that is understandable and pretty typical with settlements.  Of course, he could have posted that (or anything but a single post, which he later deleted).

Without any further information, I will conclude it is a very isolated problem with a single person who had some issue (or perhaps a combination of issues, maybe not even related), and sued.  Kawasaki found it prudent, or just cheaper, to monetarily fix it through settlement and move on.  Typically, they would just fix any problem under warranty, but who knows- perhaps a bad dealer was involved or a customer that wouldn't be happy no matter what was or could be done.

I do know there is no systemic ABS problem (based on observation of posts and searches) and there was and hasn't been any "class action" lawsuit about ABS on the Concours 14.
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