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Re: And here I was thinking he was a brilliant psychopath.....
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2019, 06:18:31 pm »
I watched that series and liked it a lot. Ted Bundy has always been sort of a model of my version of a truly scary character rather than anyone, real or not, portrayed for example in 'slasher' films. Bundy was a living, breathing human with a very specific defect (psychopathy) but otherwise of above- average abilities and that combination is what should have everyone wary at least, terrified at worst.

I remember Bundy when he was 'active', when he was tried and when he was executed but seeing that series both refreshed my memory as well as adding to what I knew about the man. And just a few days later, reading the article sighted in the first post is what caused me to start this thread. Regardless of the reason, it is amazing to me that anyone can fail to see Ted Bundy as both above- average (and perhaps well above- average) mental capabilities as well as an extreme case of psychopathy. The reason the author misses the whole point of Ted Bundy being a part of our society is less important to me than the fact that she missed it in the first place. Or has chosen to misplace the actual reason why he became who and what he was.

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last night, while going thru Netflix stuff I had not watched, I stumbled upon the 4 part series about Teddy.. so i marked it and began watching it.. I really don't care about him, he's long gone, but figured this is where this conversation evolved from.

Don't know how much of it I'li wall watch, I'm working backwards thru the series,

so far, it's a 2 on the 10 scale.
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Re: And here I was thinking he was a brilliant psychopath.....
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2019, 07:59:59 am »
It seems that most of the investigators involved in the Bundy cases were graduates of the Fife Security Academy and that had something to do with Bundy getting away with what he was doing for so long.

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Re: And here I was thinking he was a brilliant psychopath.....
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2019, 11:33:19 am »
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Well, actually what I said is true, in total numbers (and I didn't imply otherwise).  But this is an excellent example of using and presenting statistics to tell different stories....


Conceded, but barely since over all its 51.7 % - almost exactly half.  It doesn't seem accurate to call that 'most' even without factoring in percentages of population.

One can clearly say without bias from the 1900 to 2010 study:
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http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf


- white males (the overwhelming majority of the male population) committed just over half of the serial murders
- males of other races were serial murderers at a much higher rate when factoring in their race by percentage of population.

From 1990 forward:
- white males did NOT commit the most serial murders despite being the overwhelming majority of the male population
- males of other races committed the majority of serial murders despite being a fractional percentage of the male population

- Overall, its a 51/49 percentage edge for serial murders committed by white / non-white. (give or take a point or two)

- Since 1990, a serial murderer was more likely to NOT be a white male.  When factored by percentage of population the difference is a staggering several hundred percentage points.

When taken fairly from anywhere in the grid, the conclusion of:  "Most serial murders are by white males" is untrue.  Its about half. 

One can only speculate the motivation for this conclusion.

Another interesting fact:  The report shows (Page 2) that murders by serial killers spiked dramatically from 1960 to 2000 and began to tail off dramatically after that.  This was a time of dramatic social and cultural change. 

It remains a terrible fact of human nature that some people do horrible things regardless of race for reasons we often can't understand.

Another shocking revelation in the study is the USA perennially has 1/2 -> 2/3 of all serial killings in the world.
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Re: And here I was thinking he was a brilliant psychopath.....
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2019, 12:52:35 pm »
I think around 2000 they came out with an app. called 'Violent Serial Killer' and now most of them just play the app., indoors, just like the way everyone does everything these days .....

Sorry, could not resist.

But seriously, this is the first I have ever heard of white males <not> making up the vast majority of serial killers. ?? Another fact that 'everyone knows' that is simply not true.

The part about the US being the leader, by far, in this area is unfortunately not a surprise. Americans are just different than most, if not all, other first- world countries and that breaks both ways, good and bad. One of the biggest differences that I found when in Europe is that we are 'missing' a facet of personality I would call 'conform'. It allows us to be more individual and actually resist conforming to any standard or mold, and that has consequences. In my own view, the negative aspects of our behavior are simply the price we pay for greater freedom(s), much as most of the world pays the price for having cars with millions of auto deaths per year. We could easily eliminate deaths in and by cars- just remove them entirely from use but most of us think that price would be too steep I think.

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Conceded, but barely since over all its 51.7 % - almost exactly half.  It doesn't seem accurate to call that 'most' even without factoring in percentages of population.

One can clearly say without bias from the 1900 to 2010 study:
- white males (the overwhelming majority of the male population) committed just over half of the serial murders
- males of other races were serial murderers at a much higher rate when factoring in their race by percentage of population.

From 1990 forward:
- white males did NOT commit the most serial murders despite being the overwhelming majority of the male population
- males of other races committed the majority of serial murders despite being a fractional percentage of the male population

- Overall, its a 51/49 percentage edge for serial murders committed by white / non-white. (give or take a point or two)

- Since 1990, a serial murderer was more likely to NOT be a white male.  When factored by percentage of population the difference is a staggering several hundred percentage points.

When taken fairly from anywhere in the grid, the conclusion of:  "Most serial murders are by white males" is untrue.  Its about half. 

One can only speculate the motivation for this conclusion.

Another interesting fact:  The report shows (Page 2) that murders by serial killers spiked dramatically from 1960 to 2000 and began to tail off dramatically after that.  This was a time of dramatic social and cultural change. 

It remains a terrible fact of human nature that some people do horrible things regardless of race for reasons we often can't understand.

Another shocking revelation in the study is the USA perennially has 1/2 -> 2/3 of all serial killings in the world.
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Re: And here I was thinking he was a brilliant psychopath.....
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2019, 03:29:05 pm »
Americans are just different than most, if not all, other first- world countries and that breaks both ways, good and bad. One of the biggest differences that I found when in Europe is that we are 'missing' a facet of personality I would call 'conform'. It allows us to be more individual and actually resist conforming to any standard or mold, and that has consequences.

Yep.  Freedom does come with a price.  Americans have a culture of more personal freedom and that does permeate through many aspects of the society.  I would still rather be more free and less safe, than more safe and less free.  I just wish that we would stress *responsibility* with that freedom.... it seems to be slipping away as everyone wants to be a victim and blame everything and everyone else for their choices and problems.  THAT mindset is rapidly contaminating American culture... even more negatively than the "safety" mantras.
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