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2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« on: April 24, 2019, 09:17:10 pm »
Hi all ... my first time here as I am a first time Concours owner having just purchased a 2016 Moondust Grey Concours with about 8,000 kilometers on it. Pretty excited about this as I have been wanting one of these for quite a while.

Last week was my first real experience with the bike which resulted in about six hours of riding. While I love the power and smoothness of the Connie, comfort by the end of the day was a challenge. I hurt just about everywhere ... particularily my hands, wrists, back and rear end.  I confess it has been about two years since I rode that long in a day, but I have completed many 1,000 kilometer days in the past on my 1000 VStrom and my ZX1100 before that without much trouble. I also have to think getting older is working against me.

On the ride the things that struck me as needing attention where the noise, the weight on my hands, and the seat. I have been doing a lot of reading on this site and elsewhere, and frankly the number of choices to make adjustments is a bit overwhelming.

I am thinking I need to make a couple changes, see if they work, and adjust if required.

For the seat I am considering a AirHawk. Problem is the site does not specify whick model best fits a Connie.
Anyone else there done this that can offer advice?

For the windshield ... frankly the noise is the biggest issue as it is exteremely loud in any position.
And I expect if I my head and shoulders were more exposed to the wind, it would take a lot of the weight of my hands.
The CopperDawg looks very interesting, but the price is a bit much. But if it really works, maybe it's worth it. And I may not have to purchase the handbar risers.
And the Mastad setup also looks interesting ... it leaves me thinking a simple fix by changing the angle of the windshield could allevaite a lot of the noise, and possibly work well with a spoiler type of attachement at the top of the windshied. If this cut the noise, I could go for the handle bar risers and simply sit up straighter ... again taking pressure off my hands.

I am very interested in solutions/experiences some of you have had with the above ... particularily from those of you that are about the same size and age as I am (6'3", 240 and 64 years old).

Thanks in advance ...



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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2019, 10:48:25 pm »
Hi all ... my first time here as I am a first time Concours owner having just purchased a 2016 Moondust Grey Concours with about 8,000 kilometers on it. Pretty excited about this as I have been wanting one of these for quite a while.

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Last week was my first real experience with the bike which resulted in about six hours of riding. While I love the power and smoothness of the Connie, comfort by the end of the day was a challenge. I hurt just about everywhere ... particularily my hands, wrists, back and rear end.

The first thing to consider is that every bike is different, and it does and will take time to develop your muscles and body to handle the new positioning.  Many years ago I was skeptical about such a statement, but no longer.   So I do caution about making too many changes before taking that into consideration.  (For example, I added expensive highway pegs and later found I never need them because I adapted and no longer had pain/issues there).

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older is working against me.

I hear you, and can relate.  As we get older, it is harder to build new muscle, adapt to new positions, and maintain flexibility (plus things generally just hurt all the time, anyway).

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On the ride the things that struck me as needing attention where the noise, the weight on my hands, and the seat. I have been doing a lot of reading on this site and elsewhere, and frankly the number of choices to make adjustments is a bit overwhelming.

Indeed.  But it is a great problem to have- lots of choices :)

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For the windshield ... frankly the noise is the biggest issue as it is exteremely loud in any position.

The stock one?  Hmm, I have never noticed that.  But it depends on a great many factors.  I will mention, you should probably use hearing protection regardless, since cumulative noise WILL cause hearing damage, even if it doesn't seem that loud.

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And I expect if I my head and shoulders were more exposed to the wind, it would take a lot of the weight of my hands.

Too much weight on hands is a clear sign of not be "developed" for the bike- your back and core muscles should be taking more load.  For some, a handlebar riser will help- especially with shorter arms (like I have).  If your height is "proportional", then you don't have short arms, based on your standing height (that you posted).  So that points right back to conditioning.   Keep in mind that standing height is not at all the same as sitting height (for example, I stand 5'7" but I sit as tall as most 5'11" people because I have short legs).
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2019, 02:17:13 pm »
pretty much Max hit the nail right on the head...
I'm about the same size, and age, maybe 2" shorter in height, and when I first got my C14 in '07, the first couple "days" I had to make my "body" learn a bit of the ergonomics... coupled with the "new bike syndrome" (excessively gripping the bike/handlebars/seat, etc.) you have to "relax" every muscle (especially the hand muscles...) that was taught from a different bike, and also, simply relax more... being "tense" is very common, and people don't realize just how much it causes "discomfort" and fatigue...
I always recommend a new owner refrains from doing "all the mods" until they put on a couple thousand miles, as you will then get a real sense whether they are actually needed... In my case, and I don't think my arms are long, I never did any ergonomic changes to the bike since I purchased it.. and it became very comfortable after about a week of continually riding it. I'm very glad in fact, that I didn't change anything... because I think that after time, I would have removed the farkles and returned it to the "as delivered state" eventually.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2019, 03:55:04 pm »
pretty much Max hit the nail right on the head... [...]it became very comfortable after about a week of continually riding it.

In my case, it took much longer- months of riding.  But I was probably in worse shape.
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2019, 05:43:04 pm »
 
I stand 5'7"

New shoes max'?  :rotflmao:

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2019, 07:35:23 pm »
Thanks everyone.

Sounds like patience is the key.
I don't want to dive into a bunch of mods and spending a bunch of money without giving it serious consideration.

I am thinking I may start off with a Puig clip-on for the top of the windshield as the noise is not something I want to get used to. My VStrom had a simlar setup and it worked very well.

I will hold off on the AirHawk for a bit and give the seat, or my seat, a chance to adjust.


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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2019, 07:58:31 pm »
Here’s my journey to make the c14 comfy:
I got a mount for my iPhone and a blutooth helmet to listen to Pandora while I cruised . There was too much noise from the wind so I got a larger windshield - that fixed it.
My hands got tired - I got risers so it took pressure off my hands. Still hurt though. I put on grip buddies. That helped a lot . I finally installed mccruise- all’s well.
Stock seat was awful . Sergeant was good but it got hard, I’d get sore after four hours. Got a Kawasaki touring seat, feels good but still waiting for my first long ride with it.
I think as it stands now , it’s pretty comfy. I’m 55 years old, but simply sitting in the same position
For hours, whether it be on a c14, goldwing or coach class airline  seat ( like that brutal 14 hour flight back from Australia I took last January) can be brutal. Take a few stops to rehydrate and stretch, book motel rooms easy walking distance from a brew pub, these are additional steps to mitigate long ride discomfort.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2019, 08:12:13 pm »
What kind of helmet do you wear? Can make a difference in the amount of wind noise you hear , earplugs or a Sena with Westone AC20s and music work for me!

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2019, 09:02:41 pm »
It's not my helmet ... and yes, I wear earplugs.
Frankly, I have ridden many motorcycles over the years and have never had such a problem with wind noise.
It was interesting that when travelling at about 120 km/h, I would duck down low behind the screen and it was extremely quiet.
When sitting normally, it didn't matter how high the screen was or if the front vent was open or closed.

The more I hear and read, it seems clear I need to add the Puig clip-on, or maybe go to the Puig touring windscreen.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2019, 09:11:17 pm »
I wear a cheap modular blutooth helmet sold under the "Bilt" name by cycle gear, I think I paid $150.  I have worn full face helmets, rode with foam ear buds in the past, I think the best solution is to simply get a larger windshield which will cut down the wind noise.
Here's a simply test if you have a blutooth helmet- before you ride, set the volume at a comfortable level. Then. go for a ride at highway speeds. You should still be able to hear the music. It might be a little softer sounding, but if you have to turn the volume up to hear it above wind noise, then you really should try a larger shield.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2019, 09:45:27 pm »
New shoes max'?  :rotflmao:

Oh, that is barefoot.  But I do gain about 1.75" in my riding boots.

I hope I am not shrinking.  I admit, has probably been a decade since I was last measured.  That is typically spine, though, not legs, as we get older.
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2019, 09:52:08 pm »
It's not my helmet ... and yes, I wear earplugs.
Frankly, I have ridden many motorcycles over the years and have never had such a problem with wind noise.

Were they all "sports" bikes?  If so, you will be sitting taller on the Concours, which makes a big difference.  The other possible difference is the angle of attack of the helmet.  If it is not a sports-touring/touring helmet, it can make a LOT of noise when the chin is higher than what it was typically designed for.   Sports-oriented helmets have the view port higher and are aerodynamically designed for being bent over more.
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2019, 11:25:59 pm »
Hi all ... my first time here as I am a first time Concours owner having just purchased a 2016 Moondust Grey Concours with about 8,000 kilometers on it. Pretty excited about this as I have been wanting one of these for quite a while.

Last week was my first real experience with the bike which resulted in about six hours of riding. While I love the power and smoothness of the Connie, comfort by the end of the day was a challenge. I hurt just about everywhere ... particularily my hands, wrists, back and rear end.  I confess it has been about two years since I rode that long in a day, but I have completed many 1,000 kilometer days in the past on my 1000 VStrom and my ZX1100 before that without much trouble. I also have to think getting older is working against me.

On the ride the things that struck me as needing attention where the noise, the weight on my hands, and the seat. I have been doing a lot of reading on this site and elsewhere, and frankly the number of choices to make adjustments is a bit overwhelming.

I am thinking I need to make a couple changes, see if they work, and adjust if required.

For the seat I am considering a AirHawk. Problem is the site does not specify whick model best fits a Connie.
Anyone else there done this that can offer advice?

For the windshield ... frankly the noise is the biggest issue as it is exteremely loud in any position.
And I expect if I my head and shoulders were more exposed to the wind, it would take a lot of the weight of my hands.
The CopperDawg looks very interesting, but the price is a bit much. But if it really works, maybe it's worth it. And I may not have to purchase the handbar risers.
And the Mastad setup also looks interesting ... it leaves me thinking a simple fix by changing the angle of the windshield could allevaite a lot of the noise, and possibly work well with a spoiler type of attachement at the top of the windshied. If this cut the noise, I could go for the handle bar risers and simply sit up straighter ... again taking pressure off my hands.

I am very interested in solutions/experiences some of you have had with the above ... particularily from those of you that are about the same size and age as I am (6'3", 240 and 64 years old).

Thanks in advance ...

For your eye comfort and mine, first throw out the black bazooka donkey dong and get a proper lightweight slip-on. Your bike and other bikers will thank you also.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2019, 01:12:53 am »
Thanks everyone.

Sounds like patience is the key.
I don't want to dive into a bunch of mods and spending a bunch of money without giving it serious consideration.

I am thinking I may start off with a Puig clip-on for the top of the windshield as the noise is not something I want to get used to. My VStrom had a simlar setup and it worked very well.

I will hold off on the AirHawk for a bit and give the seat, or my seat, a chance to adjust.


Top Sellerie seat is day long comfortable ... seen here in front of OEM seat

 

And fitted

 

However you will need to use your own seat base or provide a donor, which can be found



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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2019, 07:42:04 am »
I looked up the top sellarie a few months ago and bottom line was it was from France and expensive, I think around $600 shipped , sold on eBay. So I went with kawa touring which was under $500 from partzilla.