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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3255 on: June 24, 2018, 05:24:33 pm »
I think most people know the story of the German battleship Bismark; she engaged some British ships, most notably the HMS Hood, sinking the Hood in a matter of minutes (to everyone's amazement) but then was cornered by a large portion of the British fleet and sunk in the Atlantic. This occurred in 1941.

But I believe few people know of the fate of her escort ship on that voyage, the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen (pronounced Oy- gen with a hard 'g'). She survived the encounter with the British fleet and in fact, survived the entire war, finally being given to the US as a war prize. She was sailed to Boston with a combination of German and US sailors (the vast majority being German) where she was given the designation USS Prinz Eugen, and was thoroughly examined by US Naval personnel, especially her sonar equipment. Once her German crew left the ship, 11 out of 12 of her boilers failed, probably due to the lack of knowledge and experience with them given her new American crew.  Eventually, she was towed to the Pacific where she was anchored and became a 'test mule' for atomic tests by the US. She developed a relatively small leak but due to radiation contamination, she was not repaired and was eventually left to capsize and sink at the Kwajalein Atoll.

If one looks closely at the film taken before the atomic tests Able and Baker, the first two atomic tests done after the end of WWII, she can be seen anchored with several other ships awaiting the detonation of both above ground as well as below surface atomic bomb tests in 1946.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3256 on: June 25, 2018, 08:03:52 am »
I think most people know the story of the German battleship Bismark; she engaged some British ships, most notably the HMS Hood, sinking the Hood in a matter of minutes (to everyone's amazement) but then was cornered by a large portion of the British fleet and sunk in the Atlantic. This occurred in 1941.

But I believe few people know of the fate of her escort ship on that voyage, the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen (pronounced Oy- gen with a hard 'g'). She survived the encounter with the British fleet and in fact, survived the entire war, finally being given to the US as a war prize. She was sailed to Boston with a combination of German and US sailors (the vast majority being German) where she was given the designation USS Prinz Eugen, and was thoroughly examined by US Naval personnel, especially her sonar equipment. Once her German crew left the ship, 11 out of 12 of her boilers failed, probably due to the lack of knowledge and experience with them given her new American crew.  Eventually, she was towed to the Pacific where she was anchored and became a 'test mule' for atomic tests by the US. She developed a relatively small leak but due to radiation contamination, she was not repaired and was eventually left to capsize and sink at the Kwajalein Atoll.

If one looks closely at the film taken before the atomic tests Able and Baker, the first two atomic tests done after the end of WWII, she can be seen anchored with several other ships awaiting the detonation of both above ground as well as below surface atomic bomb tests in 1946.

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There is now a SCUBA live aboard that goes from Majuro to Bikini. It also includes a stop at Kwajalein to dive the Prinz Eugen as well as an aircraft graveyard. My son and I went to Truk Lagoon last January and now we are saving up to make the trip to Bikini. Hopefully in the next 2 years I intend to see the Prinz Eugen.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3257 on: June 25, 2018, 11:20:29 am »
Excellent!  I assume she is in good overall shape as she was not blast- damaged but rather had a slow leak and simply sunk.

I am sort of surprised there is not an exclusion zone around those ships due to radiation. Of course I am sure they have purged a LOT of the radiation that prevented personnel from coming into contact with her back in '46 and so well may be perfectly safe now. Certainly diving on her will protect you from 100% of the really dangerous part of radioactive fallout anyway; inhaling alpha- emitting particles.  ;)

A real treat would be to see the Bismark but she is a bit too deep for an open dive. She, and I believe the HMS Hood were found recently by submersible. They are both on the floor of the Atlantic, a couple of miles down. The Tirpitz, Bismark's sister- ship, is partly visible at low tides and rests in shallow water but is so dilapidated that it cannot even be seen as a ship anymore.

There is a U-boat just off Block Island in Rhode Island that is not too deep, something like 120 feet down. I have never tried to dive on her due to the current between the island and the mainland, as well as the fact that visibility this far north is just not very good usually. But if I remember correctly, that boat is the last U-boat sunk during WWII, and at the very end of the war also.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3258 on: June 25, 2018, 12:51:17 pm »
Excellent!  I assume she is in good overall shape as she was not blast- damaged but rather had a slow leak and simply sunk.

I am sort of surprised there is not an exclusion zone around those ships due to radiation. Of course I am sure they have purged a LOT of the radiation that prevented personnel from coming into contact with her back in '46 and so well may be perfectly safe now. Certainly diving on her will protect you from 100% of the really dangerous part of radioactive fallout anyway; inhaling alpha- emitting particles.  ;)

A real treat would be to see the Bismark but she is a bit too deep for an open dive. She, and I believe the HMS Hood were found recently by submersible. They are both on the floor of the Atlantic, a couple of miles down. The Tirpitz, Bismark's sister- ship, is partly visible at low tides and rests in shallow water but is so dilapidated that it cannot even be seen as a ship anymore.

There is a U-boat just off Block Island in Rhode Island that is not too deep, something like 120 feet down. I have never tried to dive on her due to the current between the island and the mainland, as well as the fact that visibility this far north is just not very good usually. But if I remember correctly, that boat is the last U-boat sunk during WWII, and at the very end of the war also.

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I don't know about Prinz Eugen but Bikini and all the wrecks were mostly off limits since WWII. Actually Kawajalein itself is still off limits unless you have security clearance and a reason to be there. So the only way there would be by boat and you don't make land fall. The Truk Master trip https://www.masterliveaboards.com/truk_lagoon/ to Bikini is very recent. Been told there is no radiation danger just being there. The danger is consuming anything from the atoll (assuming that includes fish). The live aboard will bring all food and drink with it. Diving Truk was an absolutely amazing experience. Now looking forward to diving on the Saratoga and other wrecks at Bikini.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3259 on: June 25, 2018, 02:22:55 pm »
That makes sense; all of the highly energetic radiation should have been over a long time ago now (gamma radiation). The slower types, alpha and beta, are really only dangerous if actually taken into the body, most seriously by inhalation and secondly by consumption. Diving would preclude taking on radiation either way. :-)

Someplace 'out there' (an atomic weapons testing site in the Pacific) is still highly radioactive, at least when actually being on dry land, unprotected. I <think> it is part of the Bikini Atoll but am not sure.

Just as an aside, wreck diving is typically fairly dangerous. Something like 80% of the experienced divers who die while diving are 'in' something when an accident occurs or emergency occurs. I make it a point to always stay outside of everything, no matter how interesting the inside may appear (Easy Boys!- talking about diving here and Easy again Boys!, water diving).

Most of my diving has been commercial, not particularly fun, and nothing like sport diving, starting off with visibility- it is often about as clear as a cup of coffee and then gets worse. Some jobs I just would not do, others that really freak people out are really not that bad and pay extraordinarily well.... like oil rig diving without all those people and the elements trying to kill you. Diving in a sewage treatment plant is interesting, depending on where in the treatment process you happen to be. That first tank is both slippery and has a lot of..... er, solids in it. But it has gotten so I cannot even think straight with a bit in my mouth and an eyes / nose mask; I typically use an Aga or a hard- hat. The Aga really spoils a person for any other system because it is positive- pressure and makes it both extremely easy to breathe as well as never, ever leaking anything 'in' (if they leak, they leak air out, not water or other 'materials' in, ever). The leaking thing is a big plus on the sewage dives.

And now for the part 'about nothing': Plutonium oxide dust has been called the world's most toxic substance. It has been speculated that as small an amount as 80 milligrams, the size of a small medical pill, could kill the world's population of humans. Uranium is also extremely toxic. The interesting thing is that both of these yield Alpha radiation, the least energetic form of radiation, and all of the particles are easily stopped by  a piece of paper. These materials present absolutely no hazard being handled with no radiation shielding or protection at all. It is the inhalation of the dust that is so lethal- the bombardment of lung tissue by continuous Alpha particles causes lung cancer, something that was not known until well after the end of WWII when both bombs dropped on Japan produced large 'fallout' clouds of this very material (Uranium from Little Boy, Hiroshima and Plutonium from Fat Man, Nagasaki).

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I don't know about Prinz Eugen but Bikini and all the wrecks were mostly off limits since WWII. Actually Kawajalein itself is still off limits unless you have security clearance and a reason to be there. So the only way there would be by boat and you don't make land fall. The Truk Master trip https://www.masterliveaboards.com/truk_lagoon/ to Bikini is very recent. Been told there is no radiation danger just being there. The danger is consuming anything from the atoll (assuming that includes fish). The live aboard will bring all food and drink with it. Diving Truk was an absolutely amazing experience. Now looking forward to diving on the Saratoga and other wrecks at Bikini.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3260 on: June 25, 2018, 05:05:53 pm »
I have to admit I've spent a lot of time inside a lot of wrecks. BTW: if I do visit the Prinz Eugen, I do not plan to penetrate (easy boys) as it is upside down.

This is a picture I took from inside a wreck (the Heian Maru I believe) looking out through the hole made by the torpedo from an Avenger.



Just as an aside, wreck diving is typically fairly dangerous. Something like 80% of the experienced divers who die while diving are 'in' something when an accident occurs or emergency occurs. I make it a point to always stay outside of everything, no matter how interesting the inside may appear (Easy Boys!- talking about diving here and Easy again Boys!, water diving).

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3261 on: June 26, 2018, 04:07:44 pm »
And now for something completely different:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-retailers-installing-blue-lights-223046256.html

Seems some large retailers have chosen to address our opioid problem by installing blue lights in their restrooms. A very interesting method of attack IMO; this does nothing in any way to address drug use but they claim it makes it harder to inject intravenous drugs because they are blue and therefore less visible under blue light. Ingenious if you ask me.

Of course this will not stop a truly dedicated opioid user because as we all know, 'real' men and women will just inject it under the tongue, under toenails, into the perineum (shiver me timbers on all of those!) but hey, it may address the 'Mary Jane Tinklepants' versions of mainlining opioid users.  ::) :o :yikes:

Real life has things no comic or fiction writer could even think of IME.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3262 on: June 26, 2018, 04:56:21 pm »
Meh ... they'll give their best shot (duh-duh, chiiiish (snare drum, cymbal)), inject anyway, miss, collapse and then we'll all get to pay for an ambulance and medical care.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3263 on: June 26, 2018, 05:00:45 pm »
Comments can be entertaining / astute:

"Strangely, we're also seeing a surge in flashlight and lantern sales at this same store."

"ATTENTION we have a BLUE LIGHT special in the bathroom."

"I'm curious how the effectiveness is determined. "Excuse me, we're doing a survey. Do you use IV drugs? Did the blue light in the bathroom make you decide not to inject today? Thanks for your participation!""

"They will just use the light on their phone."

"Couldn't they just find track marks from previous injections?"

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3264 on: June 27, 2018, 09:44:35 am »
But whatever happened to Francis Gary Powers, the man flying the U-2 over the Soviet Union, supposedly above the reach of any weapons available at that time (over 70,000 ft.) when he was shot down by a Soviet missile in 1960?

He was sentenced to 10 years in a Soviet prison but served less than two before he was released in a prisoner exchange. He then continued to work for the CIA until 1970, when he published a book that rubbed 'management' the wrong way and was terminated. Then an interesting turn; he became a helicopter pilot for a local news channel in Los Angeles reporting on traffic. It was while doing that job that his helicopter crashed after running out of fuel in 1977. He was buried in Arlington National Cemetery as an Air Force veteran.

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3265 on: July 07, 2018, 04:07:04 pm »
Rented a car to go to TN to do a job.  Got to the rental place and they 'upgraded' me to a new RAV4.   Didn't really like that as it would not get as good a gas mileage as the car I was supposed to get (Altima, Camry or something similar).   After driving it for a few hundred miles I realized that they hadn't fixed the seats and my back was killing me by the time I got to my destination.  I had previously owned a RAV4 for 11 years and it killed my back as well on long trips.


This RAV had radar in the front and lane awareness.  It also had a key.  I can't tell you how many times I went to unlock it by touching the door handle with the key in my pocket.   No vehichle I have I have uses a key anymore.  It's all fobs.  In fact at the Indian dealer a month or so back I went on a demo ride on a Scout and couldn't figure out how to start it.  They had to point out the key on the left side for me.....sigh.


Now to the advanced feature starting with the radar in the front.   Comes on with cruise control.  Not sure I liked it much.  It wanted way more following distance than I thought necessary and would slow the vehicle to match speeds with the slower one in front.  Couldn't get used to it.    I also had a car pull out in front of me.   I saw it, but just as I was reacting the car strongly applied the brakes to my 'WTF!'.  That was unnerving as well.


The lane awareness was interesting, seems I be wobbling a bit going down the road and if I didn't correct quickly enough the steering did a nudge all by itself in the opposite direction....  That happened a couple of times...and no, I wasn't drinking.  I found a button to turn that off but didn't see anything to turn the front radar off.  New fangled stuff....
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3266 on: July 07, 2018, 04:30:20 pm »
Rented a car to go to TN to do a job.  Got to the rental place and they 'upgraded' me to a new RAV4.   Didn't really like that as it would not get as good a gas mileage as the car I was supposed to get (Altima, Camry or something similar).   After driving it for a few hundred miles I realized that they hadn't fixed the seats and my back was killing me by the time I got to my destination.  I had previously owned a RAV4 for 11 years and it killed my back as well on long trips.


This RAV had radar in the front and lane awareness.  It also had a key.  I can't tell you how many times I went to unlock it by touching the door handle with the key in my pocket.   No vehichle I have I have uses a key anymore.  It's all fobs.  In fact at the Indian dealer a month or so back I went on a demo ride on a Scout and couldn't figure out how to start it.  They had to point out the key on the left side for me.....sigh.


Now to the advanced feature starting with the radar in the front.   Comes on with cruise control.  Not sure I liked it much.  It wanted way more following distance than I thought necessary and would slow the vehicle to match speeds with the slower one in front.  Couldn't get used to it.    I also had a car pull out in front of me.   I saw it, but just as I was reacting the car strongly applied the brakes to my 'WTF!'.  That was unnerving as well.


The lane awareness was interesting, seems I be wobbling a bit going down the road and if I didn't correct quickly enough the steering did a nudge all by itself in the opposite direction....  That happened a couple of times...and no, I wasn't drinking.  I found a button to turn that off but didn't see anything to turn the front radar off.  New fangled stuff....
All this new fangled stuff is making people worse drivers.  Cars that park themselves, warn you of stopped traffic ahead, or a vehicle occupying a lane next to you, etc. and etc. just makes people lazy.  Drivers stop using good defensive driving techniques and rely on technology to do it for them.  The result is a disconnect from the task at hand:  Paying attention.  I was so happy to be done with my career after witnessing so many drivers texting and crashing. 

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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3267 on: July 07, 2018, 04:56:36 pm »
Now to the advanced feature starting with the radar in the front.   Comes on with cruise control.  Not sure I liked it much.  It wanted way more following distance than I thought necessary and would slow the vehicle to match speeds with the slower one in front.  Couldn't get used to it.    I also had a car pull out in front of me.   I saw it, but just as I was reacting the car strongly applied the brakes to my 'WTF!'.  That was unnerving as well.

I have one of the first cars with "adaptive" cruise control.  I try it every couple of years and then remember why I HATE it and switch back to "normal" cruise control (no lasers, no adjustments, no auto-braking).  I simply can't deal to the car trying to adjust.  Most importantly, it "disengages" me just enough from driving that it then becomes dangerous because my mind wanders too far from what is going on.

Either drive FOR me COMPLETELY, or let me drive.  I don't like this inbetween crap.  I know I am not alone.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3268 on: July 08, 2018, 07:53:17 am »
All this new fangled stuff is making people worse drivers.  Cars that park themselves, warn you of stopped traffic ahead, or a vehicle occupying a lane next to you, etc. and etc. just makes people lazy.  Drivers stop using good defensive driving techniques and rely on technology to do it for them.  The result is a disconnect from the task at hand:  Paying attention.  I was so happy to be done with my career after witnessing so many drivers texting and crashing. 

Get off my lawn!

For the bad and marginal drivers all this stuff is going to make them more dangerous on the roads. For the folks who are good and attentive drivers, I don't think that the new fangled doodads will change the way they drive much.
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Re: A thread about nothing at all....
« Reply #3269 on: July 08, 2018, 11:29:26 am »
Either drive FOR me COMPLETELY, or let me drive.  I don't like this inbetween crap.  I know I am not alone.

I agree, accept for cruise control. I want it to set and work the throttle for me right were I set it. I don't want it moving up or down to the next 5 mph increment and
I especially don't want it with radar slowing down to the same speed as the car in front of me.  I also grow tired of all the crap CC radar and bumper sensors setting off my radar detector.
Other than that, I agree with you 'max. --->  Kinda scary eh?  :o