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Offline Cold Streak

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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2017, 08:13:00 am »
I don't see how it would help.  Bikes tip over when the sidestand sinks into the surface and they lean further and further to the left.  Your right extendable stand would just end up pointing at the sky, totally useless.  Maybe if both stands were extendable so the bike could be upright and not cause any pressure on either stand.

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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2017, 08:46:30 am »
We park on the right side of the road & if the kickstand was on the right it would not let you park as close to a curb. As some one else posted there is also sometimes drainage culverts on the side of the road. You would have to park the bike further into the road because most roads away from the city have dirt/sand/grass on the side & you would want to put the kickstand down on the pavement.   
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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2017, 03:05:52 pm »
I don't see how it would help.  Bikes tip over when the sidestand sinks into the surface and they lean further and further to the left. 

While sink-in is a cause of tipover, most tipovers are caused by someone tampering with your bike (like trying to sit on it, or turning the steering straight) or pushing on it, or bumping it (with car, falling on it in person, leaving on it to stand, etc).   Never have any of my bikes been over due to sink-in.  But they have gone down twice (and my friend's 4 times) due to tampering and bumping.  Having a double stand would help.  It would also help when it is NOT leaning much on the left, so it could tip over in the other direction.  Nothing is perfect, though.

Interestingly, if the right kickstand was hinged to raise/lower from the FRONT and not the back (like the left kickstand is), it would also help protect against rear-bumping.... Hmm....
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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2017, 03:09:16 pm »
Weird, mine has almost tipped over twice because I forgot to put down a sidestand plate and the ground got soft.  I've never had a problem with anyone knocking it over. YMMV indeed.

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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2017, 06:59:52 pm »
A  stock C10 on it's side stand  with a leaky rear tire will fall over on the right side when the tire goes flat. 
So when you get a flat rear tire  on a C10 you cannot use the side stand on a level surface and you cannot get it up on the center stand.
Mean Streak rear wheel upgrade fixes that.
I have seen wind pick a heavy bike up and over on its right side.
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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2017, 08:18:31 pm »
Weird, mine has almost tipped over twice because I forgot to put down a sidestand plate and the ground got soft.  I've never had a problem with anyone knocking it over. YMMV indeed.

In my case, I will say I have never even attempted to park the Concours on soft ground... only on pavement (asphalt/concrete).   There are several reasons for that:

1) I would never ride on non-pavement for fear of falling
2) I don't trust soft ground for parking
3) Most importantly- with short legs, I absolutely can't maneuver the bike on soft ground or gravel, I simply do not have the leverage to push it or man-handle it.  Maybe if it were 4 or 5 inches lower.

That said, on my previous bike, I parked on a road temporarily once in extremely hot weather, just for a quick rest/stretch, and a few minutes later the kickstand was sinking into the asphalt...
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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2017, 08:21:40 pm »
I have seen wind pick a heavy bike up and over on its right side.

It would have to be a strong wind, but it really also very much depends on the exact lean angle... and that very much depends on the levelness of the ground/pavement on which it is parked.  I have parked in places that appeared pretty level until I put the stand down and got ready to dismount and said "um.... I don't think so" and had to point the bike in a different direction!

The other situation is in parallel parking locations where you are pointing the parked bike perpendicular to the curb- with significantly crowned roads, you have have some really wildly graded situations.
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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2017, 08:14:11 am »
I have lowering links on my bike (no, I haven't modified the stands...  yet...), and I need to be very careful to not park on the side of roads that are crowned beyond a certain point.  I also worry about the wind, and have taken to parking VERY close to the wall at home, in case the wind picks up...

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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2017, 09:21:41 am »
Interestingly, if the right kickstand was hinged to raise/lower from the FRONT and not the back (like the left kickstand is), it would also help protect against rear-bumping.... Hmm....

I thought of that one too. I called it the suicide stand. The last one I thought of, was not permanently attached to the bike but was placed on the bike at the time of parking. It did (1) face slightly forward on the right side, (2) had a telescoping variable length, (3) spring loaded tip (strong spring) to have just a little give, (4) a pivoting rubber tip on the bottom, (5) had a permanent attachment point (clamped) on the bike like a (easy boys) slip in tube, (6) had the bright yellow "reminder" cord that fit over the right grip similar to a disk lock. I thought about making it (7) lockable as well...but since I never made one in the first place ....that would have to wait.

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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2017, 03:04:10 pm »
I thought of that one too. I called it the suicide stand.

LOL!  Cool name
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Re: Why don't motorcycles....
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2017, 09:31:56 pm »
I thought of that one too. I called it the suicide stand. The last one I thought of, was not permanently attached to the bike but was placed on the bike at the time of parking. It did (1) face slightly forward on the right side, (2) had a telescoping variable length, (3) spring loaded tip (strong spring) to have just a little give, (4) a pivoting rubber tip on the bottom, (5) had a permanent attachment point (clamped) on the bike like a (easy boys) slip in tube, (6) had the bright yellow "reminder" cord that fit over the right grip similar to a disk lock. I thought about making it (7) lockable as well...but since I never made one in the first place ....that would have to wait.

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