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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2013, 08:31:51 pm »
OK, insanity doesn't equal stupidity; never intended to equate the two.
However, shooting little kids in their classroom, sniping firefighters at a fire, slaughtering movie patrons in their seats, all equal "scumbag" in my opinion.

Yes, I have dealt with murderers, sociopaths, and psychopaths in my 20 years as a Paramedic in the Bay Area: Oakland, a shooting gallery; San Francisco, sociopath and psychopath central. I put in my time serving the public and don't care to be scolded.

Also didn't say or imply anything about denying anyone “their ability to immediate defense “ or "disarming the population."  And I certainly did not imply that Adam Lanza was "just like us but 'had a bad day.'" I am not speaking from ignorance or from absolutism.

Maybe this isn't the best forum for such a heated subject, but we all have this one thing in common: Motorcycles.
At least that's a small bit of shared ground...possibly too small to support such a heavy topic.

Could be there are no "solutions" at this time in history. Perhaps many more of us need to be trained and armed and in public places to balance the odds a bit more in the favor of the unarmed. Maybe that's the best we can do right now.

Relax Jay, I wasn't scolding. And I asked if you "spent time" not "dealt with" I mean "spent time" as in "locked up". I had a chance to spend YEARS with the same individuals, to see how they think and live, day in day out. My response to you was generic in that everyone wants to know "what do we do" and I think understanding the demon in their head and heart is the place to start, not by disarming or limiting the ability of potential victims to defend themselves. Steve

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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2013, 11:45:43 pm »
This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking but are too cautious to express openly.   
 
I hope it never comes to what he is advocating but I can certainly see where the possibility exists.
 
God help us all if it ever does happen.
 
PS Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan, grew up in the Indiana, Illinois, and Texas, and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan. Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan. His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name "D.H. Garrison, Jr."
 
Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison
I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
 
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
 
Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
 
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
 
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
 
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.
 
I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
 
Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?
 
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
 
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
 
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
 
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
 
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
 
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much  in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
 
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
 
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
 
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority cannot take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
 
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
 
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
 
Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
 
I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
 
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
 
This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
 
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
 
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas and Patriotic Americans take **** off of no one, especially our own government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
 
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I cannot tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
 
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
 
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
 
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.
 
Are you willing to die to take my guns?

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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2013, 06:38:14 am »
Powerful read.. Can you believe that we all may actually be at this point? Not something that one can just reach for the remote and change
the channel on, though most of America will just do that, then cry foul when their version on 'rights' is infringed upon.. May God be with us all,
and may our Constitution weather through these difficult times. Shoulder to shoulder, true Americans can and will defend our countries freedom,
which brings up a vital question; what direction will our United States military branches back? Would they, or could they actually fire upon
honest Americans who are only defending our Constitution? Time will tell..
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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2013, 07:20:40 am »
H.R. 5122 (109th): John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007

 Section 1076 -
Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.
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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2013, 04:44:10 pm »
H.R. 5122 (109th): John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007

 Section 1076 -
Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.

Please help the ignorant here (me). Did this House bill pass? Was it also passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush? Just asking.
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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2013, 05:06:34 pm »
Please help the ignorant here (me). Did this House bill pass? Was it also passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush? Just asking.

It became law... then they did this...

In 2008, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 struck much of the existing text in section 1076. That same section had been what Naomi Wolf talked about when she commented to Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!: "You don’t make it easier for the President to declare martial law, as we just did with the 2007 Defense Authorization Act."[3] The revised section of the law, section 1068 had one amended section had multiple parts with the same exact text. These sections (bolded to show the similar parts) read as follows:
`Sec. 333. Interference with State and Federal law
`The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other :means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it--
`(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States
within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, :privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and :the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that :right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
`(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes :the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have :denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.'.[4]
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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2013, 05:32:15 pm »
Oh that's so much better. I'm glad they cleared up any possible misunderstanding.
 
Thanks Rob.

Maybe ILL-inois will be their test grounds.
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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2013, 07:17:52 pm »
Constitution is no longer worth the paper it is written on.
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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2013, 10:24:25 pm »
If something like that happened, a line would be drawn within the military as well.  Some would obey, some would not. 

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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2013, 05:50:16 pm »
This guy is SPOT ON.

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Re: What do you guys think of this stupid assault weapons ban gibberish?
« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2013, 08:16:59 am »
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