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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1410 on: September 26, 2016, 09:39:18 am »
Screw it..... Exercise your Constitutional right to just cut to the front.

Which Article or Amendment guarantees that right?

The First? As in, "I want to be First!"

Or the Second? As in, "I WILL be First!"  ;D
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1411 on: September 26, 2016, 09:42:59 am »
Here is a short documentary on how queuing in traffic lanes work in real life:


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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1412 on: September 26, 2016, 10:00:17 am »
Here is a short documentary on how queuing in traffic lanes work in real life:

http://youtu.be/JrHjWRm-eXA


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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1413 on: September 26, 2016, 10:03:21 am »
Communist much?  :o

On average, you should be in just as many fast lines as slow lines. The fact that you almost always perceive you are in the slower line is an indication of your ungratefulness when you are actually in the faster line. It's the selfish human nature that wants to be first preventing the single line design. Consider road construction. When the interstate gets pinched down to a single lane, the traffic line will move faster for everyone the further from the bottleneck everyone gets into a single line. But what happens? People in the back race ahead in the soon to be closed open lane, trying to break in the line, trying to be first, trying to minimize their wait at the expense of everyone's wait. This slows the line down for everyone.

Many shorter lines seem better than one long line to consumers. And then there's the matter of choice in a democratic society. Choose your own line and your own destiny, or have no choice and be herded into a single, socialistic line? A few places do the socialist thing; Old Navy, Barnes & Noble, etc.

That's quite the thoughtful reply!

Now factor into this the times we get in line at the 20 items or less checkout only to find that the person in front of you has no idea what 20 or less actually means.... 
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1414 on: September 26, 2016, 12:41:39 pm »
The "documentary" illustrates my second point about multiple lines. I was taught once you've chosen your line, stay in it. Perceived benefits of the other line will evaporate like a mirage once you recommit, and you will have wasted all the time you invested in your original choice. Marriages are that way, too. Although, my attorney told me, "They say the grass is never greener. But sometimes, it is."

In re: 20 items or less. Remember when that line was 10 items or less? Was that because checkers got better or customers got more stupid or selfish?
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1415 on: September 26, 2016, 04:05:31 pm »
Communist much?  :o

Um.... hell no.  Fairness, yes.

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On average, you should be in just as many fast lines as slow lines. The fact that you almost always perceive you are in the slower line is an indication of your ungratefulness when you are actually in the faster line.

You are assuming it is a natural distribution and that I don't have bad luck.  Not sure either is true.  The other thing is it has nothing to do with selfishness... I think it is just as unfair when I DO get a fast line, it screws everyone else.

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It's the selfish human nature that wants to be first preventing the single line design. Consider road construction. When the interstate gets pinched down to a single lane, the traffic line will move faster for everyone the further from the bottleneck everyone gets into a single line. But what happens? People in the back race ahead in the soon to be closed open lane, trying to break in the line, trying to be first, trying to minimize their wait at the expense of everyone's wait. This slows the line down for everyone.

It is not the same as that at all.  In the store/service case it is a single queue but would have multiple customer service reps at the other side.  I don't see how this is a reasonable comparison.  Traffic is totally different- you can generally change lanes and are not "cutting in line" because it really isn't a line but a path.  But since you mention it... In traffic, I will *ALWAYS* get into whatever lane is closing and merge when there is no road left (the "merge point").  Precisely because the majority of people are trying to force themselves into the non-closing lane way before it happens and at random AND allowing alternate merging at the merge point, making the non-closing lane crazy slow and unfair.  Slow speed merging should be done only at the merge point, and should be alternating.  High speed merging should be done as soon as reasonably possible (but what fraction is high speed anymore.... super rare). 

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Many shorter lines seem better than one long line to consumers. And then there's the matter of choice in a democratic society. Choose your own line and your own destiny, or have no choice and be herded into a single, socialistic line? A few places do the socialist thing; Old Navy, Barnes & Noble, etc.

I wouldn't categorize this as a socialist vs. democratic thing.  But all I know is that *I* would much rather not have to pick a lane and then get frustrated at the speed and not have a good feeling for when I will be served.  With a single line system, I don't have to decide anything, I know it will be fair to everyone, and I can much better predict how long it will take.

I think the only real reason multi-line systems exist is simply that of space/layout.  Single line systems, especially with large carts and such being pushed around, are not as "compact."
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1416 on: September 26, 2016, 06:00:58 pm »
Which Article or Amendment guarantees that right?

The First? As in, "I want to be First!"

Or the Second? As in, "I WILL be First!"  ;D
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1417 on: September 26, 2016, 08:08:41 pm »
You're one of the ones I get crazy and annoyed at who races ahead to break into the single line that's trying to get through construction. If everyone were to get into single file while speed is still high, way ahead of the bottle neck, then there wouldn't be any choke down/slow down at the bottle neck.

I used that as an illustration of the human nature; not to make a direct comparison to shopping lines. People would rather THINK/PERCEIVE they are getting into a shorter/faster line, even if it is not faster, than get into your long line, even if it is faster. A long line appears to be bad and people don't want choice taken away from them.

When you say, "I don't want to pick," (I want someone to pick for me) "I don't want to decide," (I want someone to decide for me) and "I know it will be fair to everyone," (I want an equal redistribution of waiting in line), then you express an explicit socialist mindset. The American democratic/capitalist mindset says, "I want to pick," "I want to decide," "First come, first served." What does fair have to do with anything?
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1418 on: September 26, 2016, 08:20:05 pm »
You're one of the ones I get crazy and annoyed at who races ahead to break into the single line that's trying to get through construction. If everyone were to get into single file while speed is still high, way ahead of the bottle neck, then there wouldn't be any choke down/slow down at the bottle neck.

I used that as an illustration of the human nature; not to make a direct comparison to shopping lines. People would rather THINK/PERCEIVE they are getting into a shorter/faster line, even if it is not faster, than get into your long line, even if it is faster. A long line appears to be bad and people don't want choice taken away from them.

When you say, "I don't want to pick," (I want someone to pick for me) "I don't want to decide," (I want someone to decide for me) and "I know it will be fair to everyone," (I want an equal redistribution of waiting in line), then you express an explicit socialist mindset. The American democratic/capitalist mindset says, "I want to pick," "I want to decide," "First come, first served." What does fair have to do with anything?
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1419 on: September 26, 2016, 08:41:45 pm »
Oh you remind me of one our absent brothers, Pokey.   ;D
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1420 on: September 26, 2016, 11:12:54 pm »
You're one of the ones I get crazy and annoyed at who races ahead to break into the single line that's trying to get through construction.

I am not racing ahead.  I am simply traveling along in a lane until it ends and then merge at one, predictable/marked point.

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If everyone were to get into single file while speed is still high, way ahead of the bottle neck, then there wouldn't be any choke down/slow down at the bottle neck.

And yet that is not reality, so we have to deal with what we get.  I will make the same argument in reverse- if everyone did NOT allow people to merge randomly before the merge point, both lanes would move smoothly at the same speed.  But they don't.  You sit in the "wrong" lane (the one that doesn't end), 1/4 mile before the merge point watching one person after another after another in front of you allowing more and more people to merge and your lane gets slower and slower and slower.  Those "merging people" from the closing lane stop all the traffic in the other lane from flowing until they get what they want, and then suddenly they all can move again much faster, until the next person decides it is randomly the correct time to merge before the merge point.

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I used that as an illustration of the human nature; not to make a direct comparison to shopping lines. People would rather THINK/PERCEIVE they are getting into a shorter/faster line, even if it is not faster, than get into your long line, even if it is faster. A long line appears to be bad and people don't want choice taken away from them.

That seems like a reasonable explanation.  Perception is often reality for lots of people.

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When you say, "I don't want to pick," (I want someone to pick for me) "I don't want to decide," (I want someone to decide for me) and "I know it will be fair to everyone," (I want an equal redistribution of waiting in line), then you express an explicit socialist mindset. The American democratic/capitalist mindset says, "I want to pick," "I want to decide," "First come, first served." What does fair have to do with anything?

Actually, the capitalist mindset would be "I am buying more than others, so I should get special treatment", or "I have more money, so I demand a faster/better line for we people willing to pay more"  :)   Sounds a lot like the extra 25% add-on fee on the admission ticket at Universal Studios for the the "express pass", allowing you to get/cut in the front of any ride line  (yep, that actually exists.... it does at Disney too, but there is administered "fairly" because it is supplied to everyone at no extra cost and is limited).
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1421 on: September 27, 2016, 03:36:02 am »
Comrades, you must enjoy the true equality of the 'zipper merge' if you are to reach socialist nirvana.
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1422 on: September 27, 2016, 04:51:14 am »
Comrades, you must enjoy the true equality of the 'zipper merge' if you are to reach socialist nirvana.

The 'zipper merge' is great till you get something caught in it...
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1423 on: September 27, 2016, 05:06:35 am »
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Re: What makes me crazy and annoyed..
« Reply #1424 on: September 27, 2016, 06:25:38 am »
Now we are getting somewhere, citizens!

Your reverse argument clarifies what I was trying to say. It is the "venture capitalists" who are taking advantage of the clear and closing lane then merging/cutting in line when they can. It is the weak-willed who allow these stronger-willed people to cut in line. These people are bullies! Imagine a theater line where people made their own lane then merged at the box office. Before you argue that this is not a fair comparison because everyone knows there is only one line at the theater and, technically, there are still two lines of traffic available before the merge point... When the bulk of traffic has already formed a single line well ahead of the merge point, there are always a few who take advantage of the open lane, often times AFTER they have already chosen to be part of the single line, so that they can cut in line. If you agree that this is acceptable, then how can you also be a champion of the single queue checkout line? Because this behavior is more consistent with observing all the checkout lines and trying to get to the shortest/fastest line, IMO.

As an aside, I am one of those who will break out of the single traffic line, and block the open lane well ahead of the merge point while also holding my position in the single line. Only when I'm in the cage, though.

In re: VIP passes... I have done the Universal VIP and it is well worth the cost. It is also super-capitalist because there are special VIP lines that allow you to "break in line" under the noses of the "lower-class" who have to wait on you to get on the rides first. Not instantly, but it creates in the lower-class a desire to be a VIP, something to strive for on their next visit. This is the capitalist way; observe, desire, work, obtain, enjoy. The NEW WORLD ORDER way, though, is GIVE VIP treatment to everyone. That's what people want... observe, desire, complain, obtain, enjoy. If you do that, then no one can be a VIP and the benefit is lost.

I'm not familiar with the Disney way... you're saying it doesn't cost more, but you have to know how to take advantage of it before the limited spaces are gone? So it's economically fair, but intellectually unfair?
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