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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2013, 05:49:28 am »
I'm with you on that! [Not wanting to give up any ABS] If someone were to figure it out the way to clip a wire and unlink the brakes I would undo my "fix".

Unfortunately, based on my understanding of the theory of its design, it is simply not possible to have all ABS and no linking unless whatever controls both is reprogrammed.  If ti is the ECU, perhaps Guhl could do something, but I kinda doubt it.

If is beyond stupid that Kawasaki doesn't just allow more user control.  It would have cost them NOTHING to add two more modes (to the existing two modes)- even less linked, and "off".
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2013, 06:01:42 am »
That being said I'm still pretty sure if you cut the blue wire it would stop the linking dealio.

What is this blue wire you speak of?  I'd be willing to mess with it to try if you can give me info.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2013, 08:58:24 am »
What is this blue wire you speak of?

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2013, 12:31:04 pm »
This is from memory so bear with me.
If you look at the wiring diagram for the brake system there is a blue wire that runs from the rear master cylinder up to the brake control module for ABS linking etc. That has to be the feed to tell the module to activate the front brake best I can figure. My theory is that if you cut said blue wire (sacriledge to cut a wire in a harness it needs pulled out of it's connnector not cut which is why I haven't tried it yet) it SHOULD unlink the brake. I do not know what effect it will have on the ABS, if any though.
Again, just a theory and an untried one at that.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2013, 12:50:10 pm »
Is there a picture with a big arrow I can use? I'd give this a try!!!!!

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2013, 01:07:12 pm »
This is from memory so bear with me.
If you look at the wiring diagram for the brake system there is a blue wire that runs from the rear master cylinder up to the brake control module for ABS linking etc. That has to be the feed to tell the module to activate the front brake best I can figure. My theory is that if you cut said blue wire (sacriledge to cut a wire in a harness it needs pulled out of it's connnector not cut which is why I haven't tried it yet) it SHOULD unlink the brake. I do not know what effect it will have on the ABS, if any though.
Again, just a theory and an untried one at that.

That's the wire (Blue w/red stripe) for the brake light. And yes it does go to the ABS Control Module, but it also goes to the light. There's also a Black wire that comes off of the rear brake, it also goes to the ABS Control Module. It's a ground wire.

So.... if you want to test this all out, just unplug the switch on the rear brake peddle. I don't think that this will unlink the brakes, but you will not have and brake lights when you brake only with the rear.  :o
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2013, 01:11:31 pm »
The fix to Linked Brakes is very simple you guys over over complicating this.  Here is a picture of the fix...    ;D

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2013, 01:51:10 pm »
Which Wire to Cut?
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2013, 02:28:58 pm »
That's the wire (Blue w/red stripe) for the brake light. And yes it does go to the ABS Control Module, but it also goes to the light. There's also a Black wire that comes off of the rear brake, it also goes to the ABS Control Module. It's a ground wire.

So.... if you want to test this all out, just unplug the switch on the rear brake peddle. I don't think that this will unlink the brakes, but you will not have and brake lights when you brake only with the rear.  :o


Yeah I doubt this will work. I just look at the wiring diagram and I can't imagine how a brake switch or light would unlink the brakes. While thinking about in the car 30mins ago, the linking is pressure controlled not via some switch so this must happen inside the ABS unit itself. Without a service manual and additional details of the inside of the unit I suspect the current solution is the best most likely.

http://www.cog-online.org/clubportal/clubdocs/1328/C14_2010_Wire_Diag.pdf
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2013, 07:45:13 pm »
I'm sure glad my bike CAME with fixed brakes
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2013, 07:55:09 pm »
I think you mean "Good-bye crappy linked brakes and also useful rear ABS"

Yes you are correct. I've been riding and racing all sorts of motorcycles for more than 30 years (not trying to brag, just facts)and I can't remember a single time when the rear brakes ever put me down. I just learned how to use them instead. Maybe this mod isn't for everyone, but for someone who likes to have more control over all aspects of the ride, and not be surprised by weird braking inputs, I'm all in for this mod.

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2013, 08:46:08 pm »
... but for someone who likes to have more control over all aspects of the ride, and not be surprised by weird braking inputs, I'm all in for this mod.

And that would be me.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2013, 09:16:59 pm »
It does seem that a few people are annoyed by the brakes. Either some have it and others don't or maybe some learn to live with it or adapt. The brakes on it should not have been designed to be so far out of the normal parameters of modern motorcycle technology as to force us, the consumers, to have to change our riding technique or modify the bike. I love the bike except for the "weirdness" of the brakes. I hope Kawasaki will fix it in the future and be able to apply a fix to all that are effected, mine included.

I hope my mod will help others enjoy this great motorcycle. Do me and others a favor and speak up.

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2013, 10:46:40 pm »
I would pay someone to do this for me.  Curse all of you on the wrong side of the pond.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2013, 04:08:39 am »
..... the linking is pressure controlled not via some switch so this must happen inside the ABS unit itself. Without a service manual and additional details of the inside of the unit I suspect the current solution is the best most likely.

The service manual doesn't give ANY details of the inner workings of the ABS Control Unit. The only way to find out is to take one apart. I've been looking on ebay, but all of the ones that I'm seeing listed are for the 08's & 09's.

Ok... I've been thinking about this issue some more.  :o  :banghead:  :stirpot:

I’m thinking that if you tie the two lines at the ABS unit that go to the front brakes together with a "T" or "Y" fitting. Then tie from the other side of the "T" or "Y" fitting to the front port of the ABS unit and block off the 2nd port for the front, you "may" un-link the breaks AND still have ABS to both wheels. The reason I think that the second port of the ABS Control Unit from the front of the bike should be the one blocked is because that port isn't there on the ABS Control Unit of C-14's that don't have linked brakes (2008-09 ABS models (can't remember if the linked brakes started with 2010 or 2011?)). My reasoning behind this is I “think” that one of the lines that feeds one of the front calipers is common (fluid path wise) with the rear.

 Now this may only unlink for what is called the low link setting (less aggressive setting) as the high link setting (I believe) sends fluid to both front calipers when the rear is applied.

Anyway, this is just my theory and without having an ABS Control Unit out of the bike to look at its inner workings, it's only a theory.
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