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Offline Freddy

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #150 on: July 18, 2017, 08:59:53 pm »
Lousy shot of the ABS wiring but terminal plug 5 is for 'interface to the outside world' via KDS3. 



Though this is of the gen 1 system, gen 2 also has the connector.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #151 on: August 14, 2017, 10:35:29 pm »
I have one Freddy.

A link to the 2010 manual is here https://www.facebook.com/groups/Concours14/files/

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #152 on: August 15, 2017, 12:58:11 am »
I have one Freddy.

A link to the 2010 manual is here https://www.facebook.com/groups/Concours14/files/

Me too - in print, plus the series 1 on CD.

How do you find/like the de-linked brakes on your bike?  Or did you put it back to stock?
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Offline TAL2013C14

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #153 on: August 11, 2018, 08:49:41 pm »
+1

Here's what I posted on another forum.

The linked brakes can be disabled quite easily.  I did it recently on my new-to-me 2011.  Using the cross-over hose and the 2-hose banjo bolt from the right caliper of the earlier non-linked bike, connect the right caliper to the left caliper using that new hose and bolt to the left caliper.  The displaced hose banjo to the right caliper must be capped/blocked and cable tied for security - I tied it to the reflector mount.  I used a 3/8" (10mm) bolt and nylock nut, 2 sealing washers and thread tape on the bolt (just to help seal the thread) and new sealing washers on all loosened joints and flushed/bled the entire system.  Test ride and examine all connections closely for any signs of leakage and ensure that you have a full and firm brake lever and pedal, indicating no air in the system, and that brake performance is as normal as before - except for the linked brake function obviously. If this procedure is followed correctly and done by a competent person, the rider will be happy with the result (I was) and the ABS K-ACT system will be none the wiser (as mine was) and the ABS will function as normal.

However, do the above at your own risk.   ;)   I gleaned this procedure from old posts on this and/or other forums quite some time ago.  I had a 2008 bike and didn't like the linked system on the later model either so I reverted to the earlier system.  I have read that the current/new model's linked brake system is unobtrusive after K 'retuned' it.

I finally took the time to read this entire thread, and I'm here to say thank you all who have worked to defeat the terrible Kawasaki linked braking system.
Wish I would have read through it when I bought the bike last year!
Freddy, I will be installing your mod to my 2013 as soon as I can get the parts.
Thanks again! :)

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #154 on: August 11, 2018, 11:14:17 pm »
thank you all who have worked to defeat the terrible Kawasaki linked braking system.

I wouldn't characterize it as "terrible" (especially with the recent revision to the linking programming) but having no "off" option is very unfortunate.  I simply don't understand that.... especially since it would have cost nothing and [IMHO] cause zero liability or safety issues.  To those who would ague that last part- the traction control has an "off" and there are at least as many good reasons one might want brake linking off (far, far, far fewer regarding ABS, though).  Me?  I would have it "on" anyway (and in the low-linked mode, which is what I use now), but that would be my choice because that is my riding preference.  Choice is always good.

This was/is a great thread with lots of useful info to help those who want that missing "off" (albeit it a "permanent" off).
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #155 on: August 12, 2018, 09:31:41 am »
TAL2013C14 / all, there is an EZ way to defeat the problem with the linked brakes on the earlier systems.
Just don't use the rear brake...…
Because of the link, using the front lever only, applies all the rear brake you need.

It's a simple solution that works perfectly.

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #156 on: August 12, 2018, 09:53:35 am »
TAL2013C14 / all, there is an EZ way to defeat the problem with the linked brakes on the earlier systems.
Just don't use the rear brake...…
Because of the link, using the front lever only, applies all the rear brake you need.

It's a simple solution that works perfectly.

It is what I do, but some people want more manual control.  I completely understand why someone might want an "off".
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #157 on: August 12, 2018, 06:19:45 pm »
Maxtog, I think your indicating that you use the rear brake pedal to do Trail braking?
That is a common misconception. {I once thought the same}

Trail braking actually uses the front brake lever...
   Our Linked brakes work fine, but non Linked brakes use the front brake only.
       Watch the video in this discussion...
http://forum.cog-online.org/motorcycle-safety/trail-braking-video/msg645728/#msg645728

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #158 on: August 12, 2018, 06:44:37 pm »
TAL, the genuine K hose from the series 1 bike to connect the 2 front calipers is NLA (no longer available) I believe.  Use an aftermarket hose with 30-45 degree bends on the banjo ends.  Double banjo bolts and new washers are also readily available.


PS - I ride with BrissyGTR occasionally - he loves the de-linked brakes.
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #159 on: August 12, 2018, 07:06:03 pm »
Maxtog, I think your indicating that you use the rear brake pedal to do Trail braking?

I did mispeak [and corrected], thanks for the info!  It appears I do partially trail-brake but didn't really know it.  What I don't do, is ever use the rear brake pedal (on any bike; never have).  Of course, on the Gen 2, that doesn't mean I am not using the rear, since they are linked.  I just recognize and appreciate that some people would want full manual control (even if I don't, and perhaps don't completely understand it :) )
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #160 on: August 12, 2018, 07:14:23 pm »
Ok, good plan!

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #161 on: August 20, 2018, 01:41:03 pm »
TAL, the genuine K hose from the series 1 bike to connect the 2 front calipers is NLA (no longer available) I believe.  Use an aftermarket hose with 30-45 degree bends on the banjo ends.  Double banjo bolts and new washers are also readily available.


PS - I ride with BrissyGTR occasionally - he loves the de-linked brakes.

Thanks for the heads-up Freddy!

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #162 on: October 01, 2018, 08:42:02 pm »
TAL2013C14 / all, there is an EZ way to defeat the problem with the linked brakes on the earlier systems.
Just don't use the rear brake...…
Because of the link, using the front lever only, applies all the rear brake you need.

It's a simple solution that works perfectly.

Ride safe, Ted

I like you Ted , you're spot on, I use one finger on the front brake downshift hard  and have never had any   issues . 
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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #163 on: October 03, 2018, 07:40:51 am »
Thanks!
I have a simple mind, so I need simple solutions...

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Re: Linked Brakes Fixed
« Reply #164 on: Today at 12:13:53 pm »
Maxtog, I think your indicating that you use the rear brake pedal to do Trail braking?
That is a common misconception. {I once thought the same}

Trail braking actually uses the front brake lever...
   Our Linked brakes work fine, but non Linked brakes use the front brake only.
       Watch the video in this discussion...
http://forum.cog-online.org/motorcycle-safety/trail-braking-video/msg645728/#msg645728

Ride safe, Ted


I don't think the linked brakes work fine, and neither do a lot of others.  If you like them, I'm OK with you liking them, but I don't. 

Yes, trail braking uses the front.   Do you know what the separate use of the rear is for?
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